Re: It happened tonight! well errr Yesterday Night!

[Guest guest]

Re: It happened tonight! well errr Yesterday Night!

I just pretended I was watching a TV station that was turned to a channel that

is not there. White noise. Keep us up to date.

Apple

Apple;

That's great. I remember pretending to watch polar bear fights that way when I

was young.

[Guest guest]

Re: It happened tonight! well errr Yesterday Night!

I just pretended I was watching a TV station that was turned to a channel that

is not there. White noise. Keep us up to date.

Apple

Apple;

That's great. I remember pretending to watch polar bear fights that way when I

was young.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jerry;

I'm planning a few trips to a couple of local book stores this weekend.

Re: It happened tonight! well errr Yesterday Night!

Something like The Real AA: Behind The Myth of 12 Step

Recovery by Ken Ragge or Stanton Peele's The Truth About Addiction And

Recovery - excellent aadeprogramming material

[Guest guest]

Thanks Jerry;

I'm planning a few trips to a couple of local book stores this weekend.

Re: It happened tonight! well errr Yesterday Night!

Something like The Real AA: Behind The Myth of 12 Step

Recovery by Ken Ragge or Stanton Peele's The Truth About Addiction And

Recovery - excellent aadeprogramming material

[Guest guest]

Dave;

Thanks but it was really more a function of frustration than greatness.

I'm being compelled to attend by the military. Since the military has

almost total control of my life it's extremely frustrating knowing that

complaining about it is more likely to get me into a whole hell of a lot of

trouble than out of the cuckoo's nest.

So I'm forced to bide my time. Never knowing how long I'll have to attend.

Re: It happened tonight! well errr Yesterday

Night!

hecotr,

that was jsut about the greatest thing i have ever heard of being said

in a meeting! i aplaud you standing up for yourself and your beliefs.

No one in any meeting can take your right to express yourself away from

you. Bravo! if the " only requirement of membership " was really a

desire to stop drinking, then nothing you said should be offensive, or

so you would think. are you being compelled to ateend these meetings by

the courts? if not, why are you going?

dave

[Guest guest]

Dave;

Thanks but it was really more a function of frustration than greatness.

I'm being compelled to attend by the military. Since the military has

almost total control of my life it's extremely frustrating knowing that

complaining about it is more likely to get me into a whole hell of a lot of

trouble than out of the cuckoo's nest.

So I'm forced to bide my time. Never knowing how long I'll have to attend.

Re: It happened tonight! well errr Yesterday

Night!

hecotr,

that was jsut about the greatest thing i have ever heard of being said

in a meeting! i aplaud you standing up for yourself and your beliefs.

No one in any meeting can take your right to express yourself away from

you. Bravo! if the " only requirement of membership " was really a

desire to stop drinking, then nothing you said should be offensive, or

so you would think. are you being compelled to ateend these meetings by

the courts? if not, why are you going?

dave

[Guest guest]

;

No thank you. As I said I really am still chuckling about it every time I

ask myself what I can do with myself for an hour and a half in No Rational

Man's Land.

Re: It happened tonight! well errr Yesterday

Night!

! This is great! Makes me wish I'd been sitting

in the back row with my strofoam-cup pig snout...

Thanks for the first big laugh of my day!

Cheers,

.

[Guest guest]

;

No thank you. As I said I really am still chuckling about it every time I

ask myself what I can do with myself for an hour and a half in No Rational

Man's Land.

Re: It happened tonight! well errr Yesterday

Night!

! This is great! Makes me wish I'd been sitting

in the back row with my strofoam-cup pig snout...

Thanks for the first big laugh of my day!

Cheers,

.

[Guest guest]

Re: It happened tonight! well errr Yesterday Night!

And furthermore, if I read you right, you don't think anyone is an

alcoholic, there are just people who choose to drink heavily. There's

reasonable support for that position.

Yup that's me. Hmmm .... Is this something I should revisit?

[Guest guest]

Re: It happened tonight! well errr Yesterday Night!

And furthermore, if I read you right, you don't think anyone is an

alcoholic, there are just people who choose to drink heavily. There's

reasonable support for that position.

Yup that's me. Hmmm .... Is this something I should revisit?

[Guest guest]

Right on !!!

jerry

[Guest guest]

Right on !!!

jerry

[Guest guest]

i love those kinds of pranks.

jerry

[Guest guest]

i love those kinds of pranks.

jerry

[Guest guest]

i love those kinds of pranks.

jerry

[Guest guest]

Errr.... it was a doorknob Rita, and not a lightbulb. No wonder you

never " got it " ...

Apple

To put it bluntly, a state agency cannot order an American

> citizen to attend a meeting where the dominant instruction is that " a

> higher power, whom we choose to call God [but claim can be a lightbulb

> or any other idol], will stop us from drinking/drugging and also

remove

> all character defects [cause we can't possibly do anything ourselves],

> but only if we purify ourselves by public confession of sins and lots

> of mindless slogan chanting and prayer to this supernatural power. "

>

> Good luck, and let me know if you're interested in reading some

of

> the court decisions to which I'm referring.

>

> ~Rita

>

[Guest guest]

At 05:59 PM 10/21/99 -0500, Arroyo wrote:

>

>

> Re: It happened tonight! well errr Yesterday Night!

>

>

>

> And furthermore, if I read you right, you don't think anyone is an

>alcoholic, there are just people who choose to drink heavily. There's

>reasonable support for that position.

>

>

>Yup that's me. Hmmm .... Is this something I should revisit?

No, not neccesarily! I think I was just amazed at your saying it, since

it took me close to a decade to accept the possibility of such a statement.

It goes against many 'fundamental' assumptions in AA.

-----

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[Guest guest]

At 05:59 PM 10/21/99 -0500, Arroyo wrote:

>

>

> Re: It happened tonight! well errr Yesterday Night!

>

>

>

> And furthermore, if I read you right, you don't think anyone is an

>alcoholic, there are just people who choose to drink heavily. There's

>reasonable support for that position.

>

>

>Yup that's me. Hmmm .... Is this something I should revisit?

No, not neccesarily! I think I was just amazed at your saying it, since

it took me close to a decade to accept the possibility of such a statement.

It goes against many 'fundamental' assumptions in AA.

-----

http://listen.to/benbradley

[Guest guest]

At 05:59 PM 10/21/99 -0500, Arroyo wrote:

>

>

> Re: It happened tonight! well errr Yesterday Night!

>

>

>

> And furthermore, if I read you right, you don't think anyone is an

>alcoholic, there are just people who choose to drink heavily. There's

>reasonable support for that position.

>

>

>Yup that's me. Hmmm .... Is this something I should revisit?

No, not neccesarily! I think I was just amazed at your saying it, since

it took me close to a decade to accept the possibility of such a statement.

It goes against many 'fundamental' assumptions in AA.

-----

http://listen.to/benbradley

[Guest guest]

At 07:11 PM 10/21/99 -0700, appledtp@... wrote:

>Errr.... it was a doorknob Rita, and not a lightbulb. No wonder you

>never " got it " ...

>Apple

Well, some people might pick a lightbulb, but then they'd have a higher

power who's involved in innumerable jokes.

I may have mentioned this before, but...

My last few years of going to meetings, my 'unofficial' higher power

was a doorknob, thought I didn't exactly spell it out (I actually had

and have no 'higher power', but I played along in my own way). But there

were one or two people who knew exactly what I was saying when I said

things such as " Well, yes, of course my Higher Power is vitally important

to me. I couldn't have got to this meeting, or even walked into this

church building without the help of my Higher Power. " I managed to mostly

keep a straight face, but the one guy who knew my true beliefs and what I

was really saying (and who was a bit heretical himself) was laughing so

hard he was about to fall out of his chair!

See, sometimes we DID have fun in AA meetings. :-)

-----

http://listen.to/benbradley

[Guest guest]

At 07:11 PM 10/21/99 -0700, appledtp@... wrote:

>Errr.... it was a doorknob Rita, and not a lightbulb. No wonder you

>never " got it " ...

>Apple

Well, some people might pick a lightbulb, but then they'd have a higher

power who's involved in innumerable jokes.

I may have mentioned this before, but...

My last few years of going to meetings, my 'unofficial' higher power

was a doorknob, thought I didn't exactly spell it out (I actually had

and have no 'higher power', but I played along in my own way). But there

were one or two people who knew exactly what I was saying when I said

things such as " Well, yes, of course my Higher Power is vitally important

to me. I couldn't have got to this meeting, or even walked into this

church building without the help of my Higher Power. " I managed to mostly

keep a straight face, but the one guy who knew my true beliefs and what I

was really saying (and who was a bit heretical himself) was laughing so

hard he was about to fall out of his chair!

See, sometimes we DID have fun in AA meetings. :-)

-----

http://listen.to/benbradley

[Guest guest]

At 07:11 PM 10/21/99 -0700, appledtp@... wrote:

>Errr.... it was a doorknob Rita, and not a lightbulb. No wonder you

>never " got it " ...

>Apple

Well, some people might pick a lightbulb, but then they'd have a higher

power who's involved in innumerable jokes.

I may have mentioned this before, but...

My last few years of going to meetings, my 'unofficial' higher power

was a doorknob, thought I didn't exactly spell it out (I actually had

and have no 'higher power', but I played along in my own way). But there

were one or two people who knew exactly what I was saying when I said

things such as " Well, yes, of course my Higher Power is vitally important

to me. I couldn't have got to this meeting, or even walked into this

church building without the help of my Higher Power. " I managed to mostly

keep a straight face, but the one guy who knew my true beliefs and what I

was really saying (and who was a bit heretical himself) was laughing so

hard he was about to fall out of his chair!

See, sometimes we DID have fun in AA meetings. :-)

-----

http://listen.to/benbradley

[Guest guest]

> Dave;

>

> Thanks but it was really more a function of frustration than

greatness.

>

> I'm being compelled to attend by the military. Since the military

has

> almost total control of my life it's extremely frustrating knowing

that

> complaining about it is more likely to get me into a whole hell of a

lot of

> trouble than out of the cuckoo's nest.

>

> So I'm forced to bide my time. Never knowing how long I'll have to

attend.

>

Hi, --

There was a fellow posting here awhile back, named Tommy

Perkins. He was in the Coast Guard, as I recall, stationed in

the Carolinas, and was discharged for not attending AA, as mandated

by the Coast Guard. I may be a little off on the details, but he

sued on grounds of religious freedom (but, alas, lost his case--

though someone is bound to win it sooner or later).

He posted a number of documents regarding his case to this group back

in <furrows brow in thought> December? I think it was the middle of

December of last year. Dunno if you might be interested in his

case--BTW, has anyone else heard from him?

Yadda Yadda Yadda,

.

>

>

> Re: It happened tonight! well errr Yesterday

> Night!

>

> hecotr,

> that was jsut about the greatest thing i have ever heard of being said

> in a meeting! i aplaud you standing up for yourself and your beliefs.

> No one in any meeting can take your right to express yourself away

from

> you. Bravo! if the " only requirement of membership " was really a

> desire to stop drinking, then nothing you said should be offensive, or

> so you would think. are you being compelled to ateend these meetings

by

> the courts? if not, why are you going?

> dave

>

[Guest guest]

> Dave;

>

> Thanks but it was really more a function of frustration than

greatness.

>

> I'm being compelled to attend by the military. Since the military

has

> almost total control of my life it's extremely frustrating knowing

that

> complaining about it is more likely to get me into a whole hell of a

lot of

> trouble than out of the cuckoo's nest.

>

> So I'm forced to bide my time. Never knowing how long I'll have to

attend.

>

Hi, --

There was a fellow posting here awhile back, named Tommy

Perkins. He was in the Coast Guard, as I recall, stationed in

the Carolinas, and was discharged for not attending AA, as mandated

by the Coast Guard. I may be a little off on the details, but he

sued on grounds of religious freedom (but, alas, lost his case--

though someone is bound to win it sooner or later).

He posted a number of documents regarding his case to this group back

in <furrows brow in thought> December? I think it was the middle of

December of last year. Dunno if you might be interested in his

case--BTW, has anyone else heard from him?

Yadda Yadda Yadda,

.

>

>

> Re: It happened tonight! well errr Yesterday

> Night!

>

> hecotr,

> that was jsut about the greatest thing i have ever heard of being said

> in a meeting! i aplaud you standing up for yourself and your beliefs.

> No one in any meeting can take your right to express yourself away

from

> you. Bravo! if the " only requirement of membership " was really a

> desire to stop drinking, then nothing you said should be offensive, or

> so you would think. are you being compelled to ateend these meetings

by

> the courts? if not, why are you going?

> dave

>

[Guest guest]

i think he osted in march. if you go web site for this egroup you can

do a search of his postings by name. also this being a military issue,

i think military law may be less user friendly.

dave

babystrang-@... wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=8771

> > Dave;

> >

> > Thanks but it was really more a function of frustration than

> greatness.

> >

> > I'm being compelled to attend by the military. Since the military

> has

> > almost total control of my life it's extremely frustrating knowing

> that

> > complaining about it is more likely to get me into a whole hell of a

> lot of

> > trouble than out of the cuckoo's nest.

> >

> > So I'm forced to bide my time. Never knowing how long I'll have to

> attend.

> >

> Hi, --

>

> There was a fellow posting here awhile back, named Tommy

> Perkins. He was in the Coast Guard, as I recall, stationed in

> the Carolinas, and was discharged for not attending AA, as mandated

> by the Coast Guard. I may be a little off on the details, but he

> sued on grounds of religious freedom (but, alas, lost his case--

> though someone is bound to win it sooner or later).

>

> He posted a number of documents regarding his case to this group back

> in <furrows brow in thought> December? I think it was the middle of

> December of last year. Dunno if you might be interested in his

> case--BTW, has anyone else heard from him?

>

> Yadda Yadda Yadda,

> .

>

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > Re: It happened tonight! well errr

Yesterday

> > Night!

> >

> > hecotr,

> > that was jsut about the greatest thing i have ever heard of being

said

> > in a meeting! i aplaud you standing up for yourself and your

beliefs.

> > No one in any meeting can take your right to express yourself away

> from

> > you. Bravo! if the " only requirement of membership " was really a

> > desire to stop drinking, then nothing you said should be offensive,

or

> > so you would think. are you being compelled to ateend these meetings

> by

> > the courts? if not, why are you going?

> > dave

> >

>