Re: IS this Normal??

[Guest guest]

Olena wrote:

> Where in AZ are you? We used to have a " winter house " in Phoenix.

> My sister lives there also. LOVE THAT CITY! (And sdale, Sun City,

> etc. etc.)

>

> Olena Fitza

> Avon Independent Sales Rep

>

> LoveAvon@...

>

I guess we're in what they call Paradise Valley?. Our apartment is just

off 29th street between Bell road and Greenway Parkway. We're LOVING

this place as well.

--

Terri B.

Creative Memories Consultant

Mom to Kali (7/24/03) and wife to Chris

[Guest guest]

Olena wrote:

> Where in AZ are you? We used to have a " winter house " in Phoenix.

> My sister lives there also. LOVE THAT CITY! (And sdale, Sun City,

> etc. etc.)

>

> Olena Fitza

> Avon Independent Sales Rep

>

> LoveAvon@...

>

I guess we're in what they call Paradise Valley?. Our apartment is just

off 29th street between Bell road and Greenway Parkway. We're LOVING

this place as well.

--

Terri B.

Creative Memories Consultant

Mom to Kali (7/24/03) and wife to Chris

[Guest guest]

Olena wrote:

> I know exactly where that is! I have to ask my mom what streets our

> house was on, all I know is that it's not that great of an area anymore

> (times change). We were right behind the store Smitty's. (if that's

> still around)

> I really miss those mountains. (we live in northern IL). And the heat

> really is dry heat. Even though air conditioning is a must out there,

> it's not as bad as sweating it out here.

>

> Terri Babcock wrote:

>

>>

>>

>>I guess we're in what they call Paradise Valley?. Our apartment is just

>>off 29th street between Bell road and Greenway Parkway. We're LOVING

>>this place as well.

>>

>>

>

> --

> Olena Fitza

> Avon Independent Sales Rep

>

> LoveAvon@...

**Chuckles** Well, it's not the best area around, but hey, I'm sure it's

not the worst either. I haven't seen a store called Smitty's though. I

really do like the dry heat. And I'll take 110 here any day next to

below 60 anywhere else or over 80 with high humidity.

--

Terri B.

Creative Memories Consultant

Mom to Kali (7/24/03) and wife to Chris

[Guest guest]

Olena wrote:

> I know exactly where that is! I have to ask my mom what streets our

> house was on, all I know is that it's not that great of an area anymore

> (times change). We were right behind the store Smitty's. (if that's

> still around)

> I really miss those mountains. (we live in northern IL). And the heat

> really is dry heat. Even though air conditioning is a must out there,

> it's not as bad as sweating it out here.

>

> Terri Babcock wrote:

>

>>

>>

>>I guess we're in what they call Paradise Valley?. Our apartment is just

>>off 29th street between Bell road and Greenway Parkway. We're LOVING

>>this place as well.

>>

>>

>

> --

> Olena Fitza

> Avon Independent Sales Rep

>

> LoveAvon@...

**Chuckles** Well, it's not the best area around, but hey, I'm sure it's

not the worst either. I haven't seen a store called Smitty's though. I

really do like the dry heat. And I'll take 110 here any day next to

below 60 anywhere else or over 80 with high humidity.

--

Terri B.

Creative Memories Consultant

Mom to Kali (7/24/03) and wife to Chris

[Guest guest]

I know exactly where that is! I have to ask my mom what streets our

house was on, all I know is that it's not that great of an area anymore

(times change). We were right behind the store Smitty's. (if that's

still around)

I really miss those mountains. (we live in northern IL). And the heat

really is dry heat. Even though air conditioning is a must out there,

it's not as bad as sweating it out here.

Terri Babcock wrote:

I guess we're in what they call Paradise Valley?. Our apartment is just off 29th street between Bell road and Greenway Parkway. We're LOVING this place as well.

--

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Olena

Fitza

Avon

Independent Sales Rep

LoveAvon@...

[Guest guest]

I know exactly where that is! I have to ask my mom what streets our

house was on, all I know is that it's not that great of an area anymore

(times change). We were right behind the store Smitty's. (if that's

still around)

I really miss those mountains. (we live in northern IL). And the heat

really is dry heat. Even though air conditioning is a must out there,

it's not as bad as sweating it out here.

Terri Babcock wrote:

I guess we're in what they call Paradise Valley?. Our apartment is just off 29th street between Bell road and Greenway Parkway. We're LOVING this place as well.

--

Sig file

Olena

Fitza

Avon

Independent Sales Rep

LoveAvon@...

[Guest guest]

I know exactly where that is! I have to ask my mom what streets our

house was on, all I know is that it's not that great of an area anymore

(times change). We were right behind the store Smitty's. (if that's

still around)

I really miss those mountains. (we live in northern IL). And the heat

really is dry heat. Even though air conditioning is a must out there,

it's not as bad as sweating it out here.

Terri Babcock wrote:

I guess we're in what they call Paradise Valley?. Our apartment is just off 29th street between Bell road and Greenway Parkway. We're LOVING this place as well.

--

Sig file

Olena

Fitza

Avon

Independent Sales Rep

LoveAvon@...

[Guest guest]

My kids all the veggies and stuff until they were influenced by

other's opinions. They ate their brussel sprouts, liver and onions,

etc. until someone told them that they " weren't supposed to like

them " .

> What a great job you're doing. I honestly didn't know/don't see

many

> children who will even try the veggies you mentioned, let alone

like them

> and eat them without being forced. Spinach casserole sounds

good... do you

> have a recipe?

>

> I don't agree, however, that all kids learn by example. Some

children still

> don't want to eat foods they perceive as yucky. LOL! Especially

since so

> often they have access to snack foods/junk foods at school or a

friend's

> house or at the store when they spend their allowance. My sister

and her

> husband ate very healthy when her two kids were growing up (they

still do),

> but both kids did their own thing. Their son ate like a vegetarian

for the

> most part. He ate lots of veggies, very little meat (mostly

chicken), and

> cheese/eggs. He absolutely would not eat what his family ate as he

grew

> older, choosing to fix his own meals instead.

>

> Their daughter was a junk food junkie from the get-go. She

wouldn't eat what

> the family ate, throwing fits, and finally getting something for

herself.

> She would BUY her own junk food to keep at home.

>

> I think it's hard to generalize in anything, but setting a good

example

> never hurts, that's for sure.

>

> Cheryl

> I watch my 5 year old cousin everyday and I try to feed her

healthy goods,

> she eats 2-3 meals here a day. She likes broccoli, spinach,

cailiflower,

> salads, eggplant...........

> Basically she eats what we eat which is low sugar, lower fat,

ect. I had

> a kidney transplant 10 years ago and I have to eat healthy.

Tonight I made

> spinach casserole with ricotta, a litttle feta. onions, 2 eggs, a

little

> garlic and she ate hers all up plus she asked got seconds!

> Kids learn by example and if they see you eating good foods they

learn to

> eat like that also. For breakfast she has Cheerios or oatmeal

with fruit

> and yogurt. lunch usually some fresh turkey or chicken sandwich on

wheat

> bread or a little roll or some soup. She can have her goodies too

but I

> give her one or two cookies with low fat milk in the afternoon or

she has

> fruit. It helps also that she " helps " me cook so she's proud that

she

> contributed to the meal also.

[Guest guest]

My kids all the veggies and stuff until they were influenced by

other's opinions. They ate their brussel sprouts, liver and onions,

etc. until someone told them that they " weren't supposed to like

them " .

> What a great job you're doing. I honestly didn't know/don't see

many

> children who will even try the veggies you mentioned, let alone

like them

> and eat them without being forced. Spinach casserole sounds

good... do you

> have a recipe?

>

> I don't agree, however, that all kids learn by example. Some

children still

> don't want to eat foods they perceive as yucky. LOL! Especially

since so

> often they have access to snack foods/junk foods at school or a

friend's

> house or at the store when they spend their allowance. My sister

and her

> husband ate very healthy when her two kids were growing up (they

still do),

> but both kids did their own thing. Their son ate like a vegetarian

for the

> most part. He ate lots of veggies, very little meat (mostly

chicken), and

> cheese/eggs. He absolutely would not eat what his family ate as he

grew

> older, choosing to fix his own meals instead.

>

> Their daughter was a junk food junkie from the get-go. She

wouldn't eat what

> the family ate, throwing fits, and finally getting something for

herself.

> She would BUY her own junk food to keep at home.

>

> I think it's hard to generalize in anything, but setting a good

example

> never hurts, that's for sure.

>

> Cheryl

> I watch my 5 year old cousin everyday and I try to feed her

healthy goods,

> she eats 2-3 meals here a day. She likes broccoli, spinach,

cailiflower,

> salads, eggplant...........

> Basically she eats what we eat which is low sugar, lower fat,

ect. I had

> a kidney transplant 10 years ago and I have to eat healthy.

Tonight I made

> spinach casserole with ricotta, a litttle feta. onions, 2 eggs, a

little

> garlic and she ate hers all up plus she asked got seconds!

> Kids learn by example and if they see you eating good foods they

learn to

> eat like that also. For breakfast she has Cheerios or oatmeal

with fruit

> and yogurt. lunch usually some fresh turkey or chicken sandwich on

wheat

> bread or a little roll or some soup. She can have her goodies too

but I

> give her one or two cookies with low fat milk in the afternoon or

she has

> fruit. It helps also that she " helps " me cook so she's proud that

she

> contributed to the meal also.

[Guest guest]

My kids all the veggies and stuff until they were influenced by

other's opinions. They ate their brussel sprouts, liver and onions,

etc. until someone told them that they " weren't supposed to like

them " .

> What a great job you're doing. I honestly didn't know/don't see

many

> children who will even try the veggies you mentioned, let alone

like them

> and eat them without being forced. Spinach casserole sounds

good... do you

> have a recipe?

>

> I don't agree, however, that all kids learn by example. Some

children still

> don't want to eat foods they perceive as yucky. LOL! Especially

since so

> often they have access to snack foods/junk foods at school or a

friend's

> house or at the store when they spend their allowance. My sister

and her

> husband ate very healthy when her two kids were growing up (they

still do),

> but both kids did their own thing. Their son ate like a vegetarian

for the

> most part. He ate lots of veggies, very little meat (mostly

chicken), and

> cheese/eggs. He absolutely would not eat what his family ate as he

grew

> older, choosing to fix his own meals instead.

>

> Their daughter was a junk food junkie from the get-go. She

wouldn't eat what

> the family ate, throwing fits, and finally getting something for

herself.

> She would BUY her own junk food to keep at home.

>

> I think it's hard to generalize in anything, but setting a good

example

> never hurts, that's for sure.

>

> Cheryl

> I watch my 5 year old cousin everyday and I try to feed her

healthy goods,

> she eats 2-3 meals here a day. She likes broccoli, spinach,

cailiflower,

> salads, eggplant...........

> Basically she eats what we eat which is low sugar, lower fat,

ect. I had

> a kidney transplant 10 years ago and I have to eat healthy.

Tonight I made

> spinach casserole with ricotta, a litttle feta. onions, 2 eggs, a

little

> garlic and she ate hers all up plus she asked got seconds!

> Kids learn by example and if they see you eating good foods they

learn to

> eat like that also. For breakfast she has Cheerios or oatmeal

with fruit

> and yogurt. lunch usually some fresh turkey or chicken sandwich on

wheat

> bread or a little roll or some soup. She can have her goodies too

but I

> give her one or two cookies with low fat milk in the afternoon or

she has

> fruit. It helps also that she " helps " me cook so she's proud that

she

> contributed to the meal also.

[Guest guest]

I'd say that Carb Control yogurt is bad due to the 2 grams of

saturated fat rather than the 3 grams of fat.

> >>> Yes, it's the carb control yogurt. I don't

> understand why that one has more fat than others

> when it's made from skim milk? I assumed since

> it was made from skim milk and sweetener, it

> would be ok. Like you said, odd. I did see the

> Blue Bunny lite 85 at Super K yesterday

> but thought it was a new generic for them.

> I'll check it out

>

> The Dannon Light 'n Fit Carb Control yogurt

> -- 4 ounce cup -- has: 60 calories, 3 g. fat,

> 2 g. saturated fat, 3 g. carbohydrates (3 g. sugars).

>

> Ingredients: Water, ultra-filtered skim milk, cream,

raspberry puree,

> less than 1% whey protein component, modified corn starch, Kosher

gelatin,

> natural and artificial flavors, sucralose, potassium sorbate...

has active

> yogurt cultures.

>

> The Blue Bunny lite 85 yogurt -- not sure what size -- has:

50

> calories, 0 g. fat, 9 g. carbohydrates

> (5 g. sugar)

>

> It's made from fat free milk, fruit preparation (?--I'm not

going to

> type it all out, but it's fruit, flavors,

> starch, sucralose, etc.)... has active cultures.

>

> The biggest differences are obvious. One has more

> fat and is made from SKIM milk. The other

> is higher is carbs and is made from fat-free milk.

>

> I'm not going to argue with Dr. A and his diet,

> but for myself, I probably wouldn't eat either.

> I don't like fat-free products. They are what got

> me into trouble back in the 80s/90s. And 9 g. of

> carbs is higher than I like, although being lactose,

> it's not quite as bad as some sugars.

>

> This, to me, is one of the problems with the SBD,

> although I'm still going to give it a try. It tries to

> play both ends of the battle, with " relatively " low

> fat (focusing on good fats) and " relatively " low

> (so-called good) carbs. Considering the article

> I read yesterday lumped SBD and Atkins both into

> the low carb wagon, and it was a report on

> research into how low carbing affects one's health,

> my verdict is still out.

>

> Much of the research I read (from the medical

> library and PubMed) seems to indicate that saturated fats BY

> THEMSELVES aren't as big a

> problem as people thought. It seems to me I even

> read something in the SBD book that mentions

> the verdict is still out.

>

> And I wonder how much of the problem is actually

> related to the trans fats, rather than " natural "

> saturated fats such as are in milk.

>

> Anyway, that's my soapbox subject for the day.

>

> Does anyone know of a yogurt that does work for

> the SBD but is NOT completely fat free and also

> relatively low in carbs (under 5 would be good)?

>

> Thanks,

> Cheryl

[Guest guest]

I'd say that Carb Control yogurt is bad due to the 2 grams of

saturated fat rather than the 3 grams of fat.

> >>> Yes, it's the carb control yogurt. I don't

> understand why that one has more fat than others

> when it's made from skim milk? I assumed since

> it was made from skim milk and sweetener, it

> would be ok. Like you said, odd. I did see the

> Blue Bunny lite 85 at Super K yesterday

> but thought it was a new generic for them.

> I'll check it out

>

> The Dannon Light 'n Fit Carb Control yogurt

> -- 4 ounce cup -- has: 60 calories, 3 g. fat,

> 2 g. saturated fat, 3 g. carbohydrates (3 g. sugars).

>

> Ingredients: Water, ultra-filtered skim milk, cream,

raspberry puree,

> less than 1% whey protein component, modified corn starch, Kosher

gelatin,

> natural and artificial flavors, sucralose, potassium sorbate...

has active

> yogurt cultures.

>

> The Blue Bunny lite 85 yogurt -- not sure what size -- has:

50

> calories, 0 g. fat, 9 g. carbohydrates

> (5 g. sugar)

>

> It's made from fat free milk, fruit preparation (?--I'm not

going to

> type it all out, but it's fruit, flavors,

> starch, sucralose, etc.)... has active cultures.

>

> The biggest differences are obvious. One has more

> fat and is made from SKIM milk. The other

> is higher is carbs and is made from fat-free milk.

>

> I'm not going to argue with Dr. A and his diet,

> but for myself, I probably wouldn't eat either.

> I don't like fat-free products. They are what got

> me into trouble back in the 80s/90s. And 9 g. of

> carbs is higher than I like, although being lactose,

> it's not quite as bad as some sugars.

>

> This, to me, is one of the problems with the SBD,

> although I'm still going to give it a try. It tries to

> play both ends of the battle, with " relatively " low

> fat (focusing on good fats) and " relatively " low

> (so-called good) carbs. Considering the article

> I read yesterday lumped SBD and Atkins both into

> the low carb wagon, and it was a report on

> research into how low carbing affects one's health,

> my verdict is still out.

>

> Much of the research I read (from the medical

> library and PubMed) seems to indicate that saturated fats BY

> THEMSELVES aren't as big a

> problem as people thought. It seems to me I even

> read something in the SBD book that mentions

> the verdict is still out.

>

> And I wonder how much of the problem is actually

> related to the trans fats, rather than " natural "

> saturated fats such as are in milk.

>

> Anyway, that's my soapbox subject for the day.

>

> Does anyone know of a yogurt that does work for

> the SBD but is NOT completely fat free and also

> relatively low in carbs (under 5 would be good)?

>

> Thanks,

> Cheryl

[Guest guest]

I'd say that Carb Control yogurt is bad due to the 2 grams of

saturated fat rather than the 3 grams of fat.

> >>> Yes, it's the carb control yogurt. I don't

> understand why that one has more fat than others

> when it's made from skim milk? I assumed since

> it was made from skim milk and sweetener, it

> would be ok. Like you said, odd. I did see the

> Blue Bunny lite 85 at Super K yesterday

> but thought it was a new generic for them.

> I'll check it out

>

> The Dannon Light 'n Fit Carb Control yogurt

> -- 4 ounce cup -- has: 60 calories, 3 g. fat,

> 2 g. saturated fat, 3 g. carbohydrates (3 g. sugars).

>

> Ingredients: Water, ultra-filtered skim milk, cream,

raspberry puree,

> less than 1% whey protein component, modified corn starch, Kosher

gelatin,

> natural and artificial flavors, sucralose, potassium sorbate...

has active

> yogurt cultures.

>

> The Blue Bunny lite 85 yogurt -- not sure what size -- has:

50

> calories, 0 g. fat, 9 g. carbohydrates

> (5 g. sugar)

>

> It's made from fat free milk, fruit preparation (?--I'm not

going to

> type it all out, but it's fruit, flavors,

> starch, sucralose, etc.)... has active cultures.

>

> The biggest differences are obvious. One has more

> fat and is made from SKIM milk. The other

> is higher is carbs and is made from fat-free milk.

>

> I'm not going to argue with Dr. A and his diet,

> but for myself, I probably wouldn't eat either.

> I don't like fat-free products. They are what got

> me into trouble back in the 80s/90s. And 9 g. of

> carbs is higher than I like, although being lactose,

> it's not quite as bad as some sugars.

>

> This, to me, is one of the problems with the SBD,

> although I'm still going to give it a try. It tries to

> play both ends of the battle, with " relatively " low

> fat (focusing on good fats) and " relatively " low

> (so-called good) carbs. Considering the article

> I read yesterday lumped SBD and Atkins both into

> the low carb wagon, and it was a report on

> research into how low carbing affects one's health,

> my verdict is still out.

>

> Much of the research I read (from the medical

> library and PubMed) seems to indicate that saturated fats BY

> THEMSELVES aren't as big a

> problem as people thought. It seems to me I even

> read something in the SBD book that mentions

> the verdict is still out.

>

> And I wonder how much of the problem is actually

> related to the trans fats, rather than " natural "

> saturated fats such as are in milk.

>

> Anyway, that's my soapbox subject for the day.

>

> Does anyone know of a yogurt that does work for

> the SBD but is NOT completely fat free and also

> relatively low in carbs (under 5 would be good)?

>

> Thanks,

> Cheryl

[Guest guest]

Olena--

I live in Central Illinois about 20 miles from Starved Rock, if

you're familiar with it.

Carol

>

(we live in northern IL).

[Guest guest]

Olena--

I live in Central Illinois about 20 miles from Starved Rock, if

you're familiar with it.

Carol

>

(we live in northern IL).

[Guest guest]

Could the subject line be changed to reflect the content of the post,

please. I keep opening the posts thinking it's about Phase 1, only to find

out that it's about geography.

Thanks.

on 5/23/04 11:12 AM, lexigrandma1 at cscifers@... wrote:

> Olena--

>

> I live in Central Illinois about 20 miles from Starved Rock, if

> you're familiar with it.

>

> Carol

--

Ann

You spend your life fighting dirt, and when you die they bury you in it.

hayakawa@...

North Bend, Oregon, USA

[Guest guest]

Could the subject line be changed to reflect the content of the post,

please. I keep opening the posts thinking it's about Phase 1, only to find

out that it's about geography.

Thanks.

on 5/23/04 11:12 AM, lexigrandma1 at cscifers@... wrote:

> Olena--

>

> I live in Central Illinois about 20 miles from Starved Rock, if

> you're familiar with it.

>

> Carol

--

Ann

You spend your life fighting dirt, and when you die they bury you in it.

hayakawa@...

North Bend, Oregon, USA

[Guest guest]

Could the subject line be changed to reflect the content of the post,

please. I keep opening the posts thinking it's about Phase 1, only to find

out that it's about geography.

Thanks.

on 5/23/04 11:12 AM, lexigrandma1 at cscifers@... wrote:

> Olena--

>

> I live in Central Illinois about 20 miles from Starved Rock, if

> you're familiar with it.

>

> Carol

--

Ann

You spend your life fighting dirt, and when you die they bury you in it.

hayakawa@...

North Bend, Oregon, USA