Guest guest Posted July 27, 1999 Report Share Posted July 27, 1999 Luanne; Please re-read the passage again. It says: It is possible to overcome and/or deal with PTSD. Please slow down. Possible is not definite and " and/ or " means " either " " or " . I never said I was cured. I said basically that I could deal with it. My first memory of being alive, by the way was being forced to perform oral sex at the age of 3. >From: LuanneP@... >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups >To: 12-step-freeegroups >Subject: Re: pardon? >Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:20:13 EDT > >In a message dated 7/27/99 4:05:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >wrose2@... writes: > ><< It is possible to overcome and /or deal > with several problems-even PTSD AND ALCOHOLISM AND ANOREXIA-I have. > >> > > >You overcame PTSD???? You had better call and notify the surgeon general >and >publicise this feat because I've been living with it for years, and have >been >told by many, many professionals and have READ that there is NO CURE - >PERIOD!!! In fact, you had better make a trip to your local Vet Center and >notify everybody there because Vets across the country can benefit from >this >knowledge that you just provided me with here. Visit Vet Hospitals, put up >a >web page, LET THIS BE KNOWN WORLDWIDE!! > >As far as I have been told and I know PERSONALLY, only triggers can be >identified and symptoms minumized with meds and treatment. > >Ahhhh, but perhaps you have never been the victim of a gang rape. Maybe >you >should be so that we can find out THEN if there is a cure for PTSD!!! > >Also, tell us more about you 'cure' for alcoholism. You mean to tell me >that >you can drink like a 'Normie' now too?????? > >Luanne > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >GET WHAT YOU DESERVE! A NextCard Platinum VISA: DOUBLE Rewards points, >NO annual fee & rates as low as 9.9% FIXED APR. Apply online today! >http://clickhere./click/606 > > >eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 1999 Report Share Posted July 27, 1999 Luanne; Please re-read the passage again. It says: It is possible to overcome and/or deal with PTSD. Please slow down. Possible is not definite and " and/ or " means " either " " or " . I never said I was cured. I said basically that I could deal with it. My first memory of being alive, by the way was being forced to perform oral sex at the age of 3. >From: LuanneP@... >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups >To: 12-step-freeegroups >Subject: Re: pardon? >Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:20:13 EDT > >In a message dated 7/27/99 4:05:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >wrose2@... writes: > ><< It is possible to overcome and /or deal > with several problems-even PTSD AND ALCOHOLISM AND ANOREXIA-I have. > >> > > >You overcame PTSD???? You had better call and notify the surgeon general >and >publicise this feat because I've been living with it for years, and have >been >told by many, many professionals and have READ that there is NO CURE - >PERIOD!!! In fact, you had better make a trip to your local Vet Center and >notify everybody there because Vets across the country can benefit from >this >knowledge that you just provided me with here. Visit Vet Hospitals, put up >a >web page, LET THIS BE KNOWN WORLDWIDE!! > >As far as I have been told and I know PERSONALLY, only triggers can be >identified and symptoms minumized with meds and treatment. > >Ahhhh, but perhaps you have never been the victim of a gang rape. Maybe >you >should be so that we can find out THEN if there is a cure for PTSD!!! > >Also, tell us more about you 'cure' for alcoholism. You mean to tell me >that >you can drink like a 'Normie' now too?????? > >Luanne > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >GET WHAT YOU DESERVE! A NextCard Platinum VISA: DOUBLE Rewards points, >NO annual fee & rates as low as 9.9% FIXED APR. Apply online today! >http://clickhere./click/606 > > >eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 1999 Report Share Posted July 27, 1999 As regards drinking or not after AA, it's an individual choice. I know there are people who should remain abstinent. Irregardless of any recovery program, some are very susceptible to problem and abusive drinking. If one knows deep down they will abuse alcohol and that they should not drink, then the hell with what anyone else thinks. Good for them and it is one less drunk on the road, one less hungover employee, one less spouse or partner exposed to the rages that often come with drinking. This attitude of " I'm free to do whatever I want, so long as it doesn't hurt someone " can be a BS statement sometimes. Do we really know when we decide to take an action that it will not hurt or affect negatively anyone else? I am for a variety of recovery methods for problem drinkers. My opinion is that most destructive habits for many people can only be brought under control with support from others in the same situation for a period of time but with the message that eventually the group matures to become big boys and girls and gets on with their lives, less one socially painful habit. I say this because, despite what we all may think of AA, etc., abusive drinking is the catalyst (sp?) for a lot of misery in western society. Who can argue that violent abuse to children and spouses, death of loved ones from drunk drivers, fights and violent arguments, and other things (for instance, an environmental disaster from an oil spill up in Alaska 10 years ago), had alcoholic drinking as the trigger? So let's not pooh-pooh those who chose to be abstinent after AA. If and when I ever have a drink, if it starts turning into the style I had before I stopped drinking altogether, you can bet I'm gonna go abstinent again! Jan Re: pardon? >In a message dated 7/25/99 9:40:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >saes@... writes: > ><< Just because that's true for you doesn't mean that it's true for >everybody. >> > > >I agree. Most of the ex-drunks that I know though, could not go back to >moderate drinking. Like me, too many of 'em 'tried' many times to drink >moderately, only to fail. > >Best, >luanne > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to tablesaws. >http://clickhere./click/552 > > >eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 1999 Report Share Posted July 27, 1999 In a message dated 7/27/99 4:05:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wrose2@... writes: << It is possible to overcome and /or deal with several problems-even PTSD AND ALCOHOLISM AND ANOREXIA-I have. >> You overcame PTSD???? You had better call and notify the surgeon general and publicise this feat because I've been living with it for years, and have been told by many, many professionals and have READ that there is NO CURE - PERIOD!!! In fact, you had better make a trip to your local Vet Center and notify everybody there because Vets across the country can benefit from this knowledge that you just provided me with here. Visit Vet Hospitals, put up a web page, LET THIS BE KNOWN WORLDWIDE!! As far as I have been told and I know PERSONALLY, only triggers can be identified and symptoms minumized with meds and treatment. Ahhhh, but perhaps you have never been the victim of a gang rape. Maybe you should be so that we can find out THEN if there is a cure for PTSD!!! Also, tell us more about you 'cure' for alcoholism. You mean to tell me that you can drink like a 'Normie' now too?????? Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 1999 Report Share Posted July 27, 1999 In a message dated 7/27/99 4:05:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wrose2@... writes: << It is possible to overcome and /or deal with several problems-even PTSD AND ALCOHOLISM AND ANOREXIA-I have. >> You overcame PTSD???? You had better call and notify the surgeon general and publicise this feat because I've been living with it for years, and have been told by many, many professionals and have READ that there is NO CURE - PERIOD!!! In fact, you had better make a trip to your local Vet Center and notify everybody there because Vets across the country can benefit from this knowledge that you just provided me with here. Visit Vet Hospitals, put up a web page, LET THIS BE KNOWN WORLDWIDE!! As far as I have been told and I know PERSONALLY, only triggers can be identified and symptoms minumized with meds and treatment. Ahhhh, but perhaps you have never been the victim of a gang rape. Maybe you should be so that we can find out THEN if there is a cure for PTSD!!! Also, tell us more about you 'cure' for alcoholism. You mean to tell me that you can drink like a 'Normie' now too?????? Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 1999 Report Share Posted July 27, 1999 I wish you well, Luanne. I'm not about to question your pain as I don't think I've been that close to big time trauma (but maybe I have - I'll go into it later). I used to think the women married to abusive husbands could change things by acting differently; now I see from my marriage to a cruel, self-centered man that that's not the way to look at it. I can get cynical and then somehow find myself in a situation and have to change my way of looking at things. I'm taking a good look at my past now because every man I've been married to or had an intimate relationship with has been the self-centered, problem drinker type and held me at arms length it seemed. I had a best friend in junior and senior high school and then she took me completely by surprise by trying to sexually molest me. She got in touch with me some months back, we are in our 40's now and wanted to resume our friendship. Turns out she is just as pushy as she was in school. Calling almost every day 10-15 times (I have caller ID and just let the phone ring). It's scary to me that she is so obsessed, even now. The man who lived next door to my family when I grew up exposed himself to me a few times and I learned later he did to my younger sister and also my mother. I went out on a date with a guy from high school when I was 19, went to a party, he mickeyed up my drink and I started hallucinating then lost all memory till I woke up in the wee hours in a bed naked and with one of the other guys at the party. That's how I lost my virginity. To this day I have no idea if it was just him or all the guys took a turn. So I may be a member of this PTSD thing - all I know is I haven't been able to form a decent loving relationship with any man I've been involved with, have lived a sluttish kind of life for a spell after my first marriage (to a drunk) broke up and had a problem with alcoholic drinking. Sometimes I find myself coming across as big and brave when deep inside, people scare me. That's enough for now. I didn't intend to lay things out so bluntly but this group is safe for me. Jan Re: pardon? >In a message dated 7/26/99 7:52:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >kayleighs@... writes: > ><< There will be a DSM V sooner or later, > and perhaps they will say PTSD is treatable. I think it's kind of > funny when they actually determine that a particular disorder no longer > exists. Does that mean a person with that DX is suddenly well? >> > > >Let me tell you...I have lived with PTSD for the last 17 years of my life. >It is AWFUL and I would rather be in a wheel chair than suffer from this >'thing.' > >My therapist has told me that symptoms can be minumized and triggers can be >acknowledged/recognized, but there is no cure. Seems like what is written >above would be from a person who doesn't suffer from PTSD or any other mental >illness/disorder because most folks who know anything about PTSD understand >that there is no 'cure.' I have had people tell me in the past " Oh, you >just need to exercise " or " Oh, you need a vacation " or " Oh, you need a >boyfriend. " That kind of mentality.......I think that nobody can understand >PTSD unless they themselves suffer from it, or live with a fellow sufferer of >this disorder. My alcoholism and drug addiction were symptoms, as were the >five suicide attempts while intoxicated. > >BTW, I am on xanax, effexor, trazedone and imitrex (for migraines). I see >therapist either once a week, or once every two weeks. > >Luanne > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to tablesaws. >http://clickhere./click/552 > > >eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 1999 Report Share Posted July 27, 1999 In a message dated 7/27/99 10:16:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wrose2@... writes: << t is possible to overcome and/or deal with PTSD >> This statement is incorrect. If you feel that it is true, as I said, please inform the whole medical community. There is no known cure for PTSD. 'Dealing with' - yes, I suppose that can happen although I do not believe it will make my life any less fucked up than it is now. I know that I will always have triggers and symptoms. I have been on several mailing lists for folks who suffer from PTSD. If you joined and said that you 'overcame' PTSD, you would have been laughed right off the lists, especially by the Combat Vets. Incidentally, the gang-rape was only a small part of my trauma. I don't go into gory details about everything that has happened to me on mailing lists. Perhaps you would had a mild case of PTSD, I do not know. I do know that there is no known 'cure' as it is a personality disorder caused by trauma. Best, Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 1999 Report Share Posted July 27, 1999 In a message dated 7/27/99 10:16:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wrose2@... writes: << t is possible to overcome and/or deal with PTSD >> This statement is incorrect. If you feel that it is true, as I said, please inform the whole medical community. There is no known cure for PTSD. 'Dealing with' - yes, I suppose that can happen although I do not believe it will make my life any less fucked up than it is now. I know that I will always have triggers and symptoms. I have been on several mailing lists for folks who suffer from PTSD. If you joined and said that you 'overcame' PTSD, you would have been laughed right off the lists, especially by the Combat Vets. Incidentally, the gang-rape was only a small part of my trauma. I don't go into gory details about everything that has happened to me on mailing lists. Perhaps you would had a mild case of PTSD, I do not know. I do know that there is no known 'cure' as it is a personality disorder caused by trauma. Best, Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 1999 Report Share Posted July 27, 1999 In a message dated 7/27/99 6:16:19 AM Central Daylight Time, wrose2@... writes: << It isn't right or fair what happened-but if you can LIVE with it-it makes you stronger then average, right? I like to think that. >> , You are so very right with this statement. All of us have suffered from some form of PTSD, The how's or why's just don't matter. But if one can face what TRULY happened, and realize it wasn't YOUR fault that you were a victim of terrible experiences. One can learn to keep living and looking for the good up ahead. I come to this posting to SHARE pain and anger, and sometimes HAPPY Things!!!! (what a concept from where I have been) Not Degrade, or judge, shame or blame...If I want to do that, perhaps I had better go back to the Hells, I mean, Halls of AA. Leigh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 1999 Report Share Posted July 27, 1999 In a message dated 7/27/99 6:16:19 AM Central Daylight Time, wrose2@... writes: << It isn't right or fair what happened-but if you can LIVE with it-it makes you stronger then average, right? I like to think that. >> , You are so very right with this statement. All of us have suffered from some form of PTSD, The how's or why's just don't matter. But if one can face what TRULY happened, and realize it wasn't YOUR fault that you were a victim of terrible experiences. One can learn to keep living and looking for the good up ahead. I come to this posting to SHARE pain and anger, and sometimes HAPPY Things!!!! (what a concept from where I have been) Not Degrade, or judge, shame or blame...If I want to do that, perhaps I had better go back to the Hells, I mean, Halls of AA. Leigh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 1999 Report Share Posted July 27, 1999 Send reply to: 12-step-freeegroups From: LuanneP@... Date sent: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:20:13 EDT To: 12-step-freeegroups Subject: Re: pardon? > In a message dated 7/27/99 4:05:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > wrose2@... writes: > > << It is possible to overcome and /or deal > with several problems-even PTSD AND ALCOHOLISM AND ANOREXIA-I have. > >> > > > You overcame PTSD???? You had better call and notify the surgeon general and > publicise this feat because I've been living with it for years, and have been > told by many, many professionals and have READ that there is NO CURE - > PERIOD!!! In fact, you had better make a trip to your local Vet Center and > notify everybody there because Vets across the country can benefit from this > knowledge that you just provided me with here. Visit Vet Hospitals, put up a > web page, LET THIS BE KNOWN WORLDWIDE!! > > As far as I have been told and I know PERSONALLY, only triggers can be > identified and symptoms minumized with meds and treatment. > > Ahhhh, but perhaps you have never been the victim of a gang rape. Maybe you > should be so that we can find out THEN if there is a cure for PTSD!!! > > Also, tell us more about you 'cure' for alcoholism. You mean to tell me that > you can drink like a 'Normie' now too?????? > > Luanne Hello Luanne; The things you're saying remind me of most every AA speaker I've heard. If someone gets well, it's because they weren't as bad as you, or didn't have it as rough. Everything MUST be the black and white AA way. Unfortunately you're listening to a second PTSD survivor. Sure I still have some of the subtle effects, the sudden not wanting to do anything and the flu like symptoms and feeling like my head is full of cotton. However, I can read a novel at one sitting if it's interesting. I work in a technical field(Electronics) Jumping out and calling folks liars won't make your PTSD any better or probably any worse, but if and I did have full blown PTSD and are now better, it really doesn't effect our recovery if you believe we're just nutcases. Probably some folks get better, others don't because it's impossible. Let me tell you a story, and I'm told tis true. Henry Ford hired young men of promise right out of high school, not after they went to college. When asked why he didn't wait for them to be college educated he replied " Well college teaches engineering and engineers know that some things are impossible, my bright high school kids don't know it's impossible, so they go ahead and do it! " > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET WHAT YOU DESERVE! A NextCard Platinum VISA: DOUBLE Rewards points, > NO annual fee & rates as low as 9.9% FIXED APR. Apply online today! > http://clickhere./click/606 > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 1999 Report Share Posted July 27, 1999 Send reply to: 12-step-freeegroups From: LuanneP@... Date sent: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:20:13 EDT To: 12-step-freeegroups Subject: Re: pardon? > In a message dated 7/27/99 4:05:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > wrose2@... writes: > > << It is possible to overcome and /or deal > with several problems-even PTSD AND ALCOHOLISM AND ANOREXIA-I have. > >> > > > You overcame PTSD???? You had better call and notify the surgeon general and > publicise this feat because I've been living with it for years, and have been > told by many, many professionals and have READ that there is NO CURE - > PERIOD!!! In fact, you had better make a trip to your local Vet Center and > notify everybody there because Vets across the country can benefit from this > knowledge that you just provided me with here. Visit Vet Hospitals, put up a > web page, LET THIS BE KNOWN WORLDWIDE!! > > As far as I have been told and I know PERSONALLY, only triggers can be > identified and symptoms minumized with meds and treatment. > > Ahhhh, but perhaps you have never been the victim of a gang rape. Maybe you > should be so that we can find out THEN if there is a cure for PTSD!!! > > Also, tell us more about you 'cure' for alcoholism. You mean to tell me that > you can drink like a 'Normie' now too?????? > > Luanne Hello Luanne; The things you're saying remind me of most every AA speaker I've heard. If someone gets well, it's because they weren't as bad as you, or didn't have it as rough. Everything MUST be the black and white AA way. Unfortunately you're listening to a second PTSD survivor. Sure I still have some of the subtle effects, the sudden not wanting to do anything and the flu like symptoms and feeling like my head is full of cotton. However, I can read a novel at one sitting if it's interesting. I work in a technical field(Electronics) Jumping out and calling folks liars won't make your PTSD any better or probably any worse, but if and I did have full blown PTSD and are now better, it really doesn't effect our recovery if you believe we're just nutcases. Probably some folks get better, others don't because it's impossible. Let me tell you a story, and I'm told tis true. Henry Ford hired young men of promise right out of high school, not after they went to college. When asked why he didn't wait for them to be college educated he replied " Well college teaches engineering and engineers know that some things are impossible, my bright high school kids don't know it's impossible, so they go ahead and do it! " > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET WHAT YOU DESERVE! A NextCard Platinum VISA: DOUBLE Rewards points, > NO annual fee & rates as low as 9.9% FIXED APR. Apply online today! > http://clickhere./click/606 > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 1999 Report Share Posted July 27, 1999 , Didn't Henry also insist that the certain engine that came to be in his Model T (or the first automobile or whatever) be made and his engineers said it can't be done and he said I don't care, it can be and they tried over and over and kept saying it couldn't be done and he continued to say it could be and finally they accomplished what they said couldn't be done. Whew, let me catch my breath! Jan Re: pardon? > >> In a message dated 7/27/99 4:05:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >> wrose2@... writes: >> >> << It is possible to overcome and /or deal >> with several problems-even PTSD AND ALCOHOLISM AND ANOREXIA-I have. >> >> >> >> >> You overcame PTSD???? You had better call and notify the surgeon general and >> publicise this feat because I've been living with it for years, and have been >> told by many, many professionals and have READ that there is NO CURE - >> PERIOD!!! In fact, you had better make a trip to your local Vet Center and >> notify everybody there because Vets across the country can benefit from this >> knowledge that you just provided me with here. Visit Vet Hospitals, put up a >> web page, LET THIS BE KNOWN WORLDWIDE!! >> >> As far as I have been told and I know PERSONALLY, only triggers can be >> identified and symptoms minumized with meds and treatment. >> >> Ahhhh, but perhaps you have never been the victim of a gang rape. Maybe you >> should be so that we can find out THEN if there is a cure for PTSD!!! >> >> Also, tell us more about you 'cure' for alcoholism. You mean to tell me that >> you can drink like a 'Normie' now too?????? >> >> Luanne > >Hello Luanne; > >The things you're saying remind me of most every AA speaker I've >heard. > >If someone gets well, it's because they weren't as bad as you, or >didn't have it as rough. Everything MUST be the black and white >AA way. Unfortunately you're listening to a second PTSD survivor. >Sure I still have some of the subtle effects, the sudden not wanting >to do anything and the flu like symptoms and feeling like my head >is full of cotton. However, I can read a novel at one sitting if it's >interesting. I work in a technical field(Electronics) > >Jumping out and calling folks liars won't make your PTSD any >better or probably any worse, but if and I did have full blown >PTSD and are now better, it really doesn't effect our recovery if you >believe we're just nutcases. > >Probably some folks get better, others don't because it's >impossible. Let me tell you a story, and I'm told tis true. > >Henry Ford hired young men of promise right out of high school, >not after they went to college. When asked why he didn't wait for >them to be college educated he replied " Well college teaches >engineering and engineers know that some things are impossible, >my bright high school kids don't know it's impossible, so they go >ahead and do it! " > > > > >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> GET WHAT YOU DESERVE! A NextCard Platinum VISA: DOUBLE Rewards points, >> NO annual fee & rates as low as 9.9% FIXED APR. Apply online today! >> http://clickhere./click/606 >> >> >> eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free >> - Simplifying group communications >> >> >> >> >> > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >GET $10 OFF ANY ORDER @ healthshop.com! No min. purchase req. >Save on vitamins & supplements. Use coupon code: EGROUPS99 >at checkout. http://clickhere./click/463 > > >eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 1999 Report Share Posted July 27, 1999 kayleighs@... writes: > Isn't Britain a constitutional monarchy? Aren't there > Rules About This Stuff? Unlike the United States, the British constitution is not a single written document which enumerates the rights of its citizens. Rather, it is the accumulation of centuries of common law. So the simple answer to your question would be no, there are no hard and fast rules about that sort of thing. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 1999 Report Share Posted July 27, 1999 > I do know that > there is no known 'cure' as it is a personality disorder caused by trauma. HI Luanne, I think you are making the mistake of confusing curability with treatability. Curable means total relief of symptoms, whereas treatability merely means some relief is possible. I note that bnoth you and refer to PTSD as a personality disorder. The DSM IV dx of PTSD is not a personality disorder. However, I do think that actual personality disordes are themselves a kind of PTSD best referred to as Compound PTSD (CPTSD) to distinguish it from the more 'regular' variety - the latter may often occur in adulthood and be one off events (like car crashes, adult assaults, sexual or otherwise) and produce less pervasive (if not less severe) symptoms than CPTSD personality disorders resulting from child abuse, especially protracted intrafamilial abuse. Unfortunately, the incurability=untreatability idea has resulted in ppl with pd's being denied treratment in the UK - I am one of them. In addition, the UK is on the point of passing a law that would allow pd sufferers to be incarcerated as dangerous EVEN IF THEY HAVE COMMITTED NO CRIME. If I stop posting suddenly, maybe it will have been passed. A Concerned Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 1999 Report Share Posted July 27, 1999 In a message dated 7/27/99 7:15:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kayleighs@... writes: << Why on earth would pd's >> Please, what is a pd? Best, Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 1999 Report Share Posted July 27, 1999 In a message dated 7/27/99 7:15:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kayleighs@... writes: << Why on earth would pd's >> Please, what is a pd? Best, Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 1999 Report Share Posted July 27, 1999 In a message dated 7/27/99 7:15:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kayleighs@... writes: << Why on earth would pd's >> Please, what is a pd? Best, Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 1999 Report Share Posted July 27, 1999 In a message dated 7/27/99 7:03:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kayleighs@... writes: << 've talked to the VA about my husband and they've said people can achieve significant relief. >> This can be true. Meds, exercise, and therapy all help, but I still have days where I cannot do a darned thing. Best, Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 1999 Report Share Posted July 27, 1999 In a message dated 7/27/99 7:03:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kayleighs@... writes: << 've talked to the VA about my husband and they've said people can achieve significant relief. >> This can be true. Meds, exercise, and therapy all help, but I still have days where I cannot do a darned thing. Best, Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 1999 Report Share Posted July 27, 1999 In a message dated 7/27/99 7:03:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kayleighs@... writes: << 've talked to the VA about my husband and they've said people can achieve significant relief. >> This can be true. Meds, exercise, and therapy all help, but I still have days where I cannot do a darned thing. Best, Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 1999 Report Share Posted July 27, 1999 Thanks for the offer, but I doubt he'll ever be interested. He's had some really unfortunate experiences with counselors of various kinds, and doesn't welcome support from anyone outside the family. He also denies that there's anything wrong, despite his dx. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6387 > In a message dated 7/26/99 8:49:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > kayleighs@... writes: > > << Some other time I'll write a post about my husband, though it feels > kind of like a betrayal to me, but I really am interested in 's and > your comments. >> > > > If your hubby is ever interested, I have a support list for those diagnosed > with PTSD. > > If anyone else is interested, please email me privately and I'll give you > instructions on how to join. Funny.....half of that list are in recovery > from something too. > > Best, > Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 1999 Report Share Posted July 27, 1999 I've talked to the VA about my husband and they've said people can achieve significant relief. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6400 > In a message dated 7/27/99 4:05:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > wrose2@... writes: > > << It is possible to overcome and /or deal > with several problems-even PTSD AND ALCOHOLISM AND ANOREXIA-I have. > >> > > > You overcame PTSD???? You had better call and notify the surgeon general and > publicise this feat because I've been living with it for years, and have been > told by many, many professionals and have READ that there is NO CURE - > PERIOD!!! In fact, you had better make a trip to your local Vet Center and > notify everybody there because Vets across the country can benefit from this > knowledge that you just provided me with here. Visit Vet Hospitals, put up a > web page, LET THIS BE KNOWN WORLDWIDE!! > > As far as I have been told and I know PERSONALLY, only triggers can be > identified and symptoms minumized with meds and treatment. > > Ahhhh, but perhaps you have never been the victim of a gang rape. Maybe you > should be so that we can find out THEN if there is a cure for PTSD!!! > > Also, tell us more about you 'cure' for alcoholism. You mean to tell me that > you can drink like a 'Normie' now too?????? > > Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 1999 Report Share Posted July 27, 1999 How on earth can they pass a law like that? In the US it would be called a " status " crime, for which one cannot be punished. This principle obviously recognizes that there can't be punishment unless there is a crime. (It arose from laws that did punish addicts and alcoholics.) Why on earth would pd's be singled out? Aside from antisocials, what is wrong with being histrionic, or narcissistic, except for the discomfort you cause your colleagues and loved ones? This may be extreme, but doesn't merit punishment, especially if treatment is not available. Moreover, the person afflicted probably suffers more than anyone around him/her. Who would make the dx? There are lots of extreme differences in dx of the same person among equally qualified professionals. What would happen if something was no longer classified as a pd? Sort of -- " Oh, sorry, yes, we ruined your family and life and career, too bad. You can go now. " Isn't Britain a constitutional monarchy? Aren't there Rules About This Stuff? wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6427 > > > > > I do know that > > there is no known 'cure' as it is a personality disorder caused by trauma. > > HI Luanne, > > I think you are making the mistake of confusing curability > with treatability. Curable means total relief of symptoms, > whereas treatability merely means some relief is possible. > I note that bnoth you and refer to PTSD as a > personality disorder. The DSM IV dx of PTSD is not a > personality disorder. However, I do think that actual > personality disordes are themselves a kind of PTSD best > referred to as Compound PTSD (CPTSD) to distinguish it from > the more 'regular' variety - the latter may often occur in > adulthood and be one off events (like car crashes, > adult assaults, sexual or otherwise) and produce less > pervasive (if not less severe) symptoms than CPTSD > personality disorders resulting from child abuse, > especially protracted intrafamilial abuse. > > Unfortunately, the incurability=untreatability idea has > resulted in ppl with pd's being denied treratment in the UK > - I am one of them. In addition, the UK is on the point of > passing a law that would allow pd sufferers to be > incarcerated as dangerous EVEN IF THEY HAVE COMMITTED NO > CRIME. > > If I stop posting suddenly, maybe it will have been passed. > > A Concerned Pete > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 Send reply to: 12-step-freeegroups From: saes@... Date sent: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 22:28:26 EDT To: 12-step-freeegroups Subject: Re: pardon? > kayleighs@... writes: > > > Isn't Britain a constitutional monarchy? Aren't there > > Rules About This Stuff? > > Unlike the United States, the British constitution is not a single written > document which enumerates the rights of its citizens. Rather, it is the > accumulation of centuries of common law. So the simple answer to your > question would be no, there are no hard and fast rules about that sort of > thing. > > Regards, > Hi ; That's the very reason The US, does have a written constitution and previously The Articles of Confederation, limiting the power of the Federeal Government and later State Governments. Some US States, notably Mass, and land do still use The English Common Law. Most other states like Iowa recognize only Statutory Law, no common law, which creates a mess in some Interstate Compacts. The one exception is with a Jury. A jury still has all its' Common Law Power, though they are never told this in Jury Instruction. A jury has the power to nullify the law if they believe it unfairly applied. By that I mean they have the power to find Not Guilty when the crime was comitted in front of fifty credible witnesses. No one has the power to hold a jury accountable for their findings, probably the only absolute power that exists in The US. I have almost zero knowlege of actual English Common Law. The only case I've read was an 1898 House of Commons named In Re The Matter of Danny McNaughton, which was the basis for US Insanity Laws, in relation to Criminal Conduct. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > GET WHAT YOU DESERVE! A NextCard Platinum VISA: DOUBLE Rewards points, > NO annual fee & rates as low as 9.9% FIXED APR. Apply online today! > http://clickhere./click/606 > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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