Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 In a message dated 7/26/99 7:52:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kayleighs@... writes: << There will be a DSM V sooner or later, and perhaps they will say PTSD is treatable. I think it's kind of funny when they actually determine that a particular disorder no longer exists. Does that mean a person with that DX is suddenly well? >> Let me tell you...I have lived with PTSD for the last 17 years of my life. It is AWFUL and I would rather be in a wheel chair than suffer from this 'thing.' My therapist has told me that symptoms can be minumized and triggers can be acknowledged/recognized, but there is no cure. Seems like what is written above would be from a person who doesn't suffer from PTSD or any other mental illness/disorder because most folks who know anything about PTSD understand that there is no 'cure.' I have had people tell me in the past " Oh, you just need to exercise " or " Oh, you need a vacation " or " Oh, you need a boyfriend. " That kind of mentality.......I think that nobody can understand PTSD unless they themselves suffer from it, or live with a fellow sufferer of this disorder. My alcoholism and drug addiction were symptoms, as were the five suicide attempts while intoxicated. BTW, I am on xanax, effexor, trazedone and imitrex (for migraines). I see therapist either once a week, or once every two weeks. Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 Wally, Well put. I know people that have gotten to that point and just cut back. My brother is one of them, and my fiance is another-except my fiance doesn't drink at all anymore because of a medical condition (damaged liver in 'Nam). I have read your posts Luanne, and I think my PTSD is pretty bad-not like 's, but why try to compare? Each of us has our own perception of any given situation. If it's painful enough-like I've heard say (and I've said myself) -I'll do something about it. My personal pain is really hard to try to gauge against others'-so I just try to deal with it and be strong and keep going...especially on the days where it really sucks and I feel really small. > >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups >To: <12-step-freeegroups> >Subject: Re: pardon? >Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:07:02 -0400 > >Hi Luanne, > >Honestly, I just don't see why it should be impossible for people to have >problems, and then overcome them. > >Consider this scenario: > >A guy has a beer after work one day, finds that it relaxes him and makes >him >feel good. Soon he has a beer after work every day. Time goes on, and he >gradually ups the amount. At first there are no consequences at all. A few >years later he is drinking, say, 8 or 14 or whatever beers every night. > >One day he " wakes up " and says, " Holy cow, 14 beers a night just ain't >MODERATE! This has got to stop! " > >So he decides then and there to cut back to 2 beers on weeknights, >reserving >the option to go out and get blitzed once in a while on a Saturday night. > >What would you say? Is this story simply impossible, or did he never have a >problem in the first place, or what? > >Best, >wally > > Re: pardon? > > > >In a message dated 7/26/99 2:46:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > >pachy2@... writes: > > > ><< However, if some folks can drink moderately, why shouldn't they if > > that's their choice. More power to them. > > >> > > > > > >How about this thought: If they can drink MODERATELY, they never had a > >problem to start with??? > > > >Best, > >Luanne > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >GET $10 OFF ANY ORDER @ healthshop.com! No min. purchase req. >Save on vitamins & supplements. Use coupon code: EGROUPS99 >at checkout. http://clickhere./click/463 > > >eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 wrote: Also abstinence is all or nothing thinking and I need to be careful that all or nothing, doesn't slip into the rest of my thinking. This requires a balancing act that is not always easy. I'm relatively new to Smart but, in the 3 months that I've been learning about my dependency on alcohol,smoke and crack I have been discovering what has been driving me to " use " . I've found that certain beliefs lead me to a point where I could no longer cope with life's realities. At which point, I would feel the need to escape. I have chosen to moderate my drinking and weed/hash smoking but don't go near the crack pipe. I rarely smoke....couple tokes since joining Smart. When I am deciding whether or not to drink, I look very closely at why I want to. If I find that if I am feeling stressed, or overwhelmed, or any emotion that challenges my ability to cope I decide not to drink. There are times that I notice that I'm not thinking very clearly. During these times I don't make a decision to drink. This approach doesn't leave many opportunities to imbibe, however, I can still have a few when I'm out fishing for example. I am aware that " all or nothing thinking " is something that I have trouble with. I think moderation is a very complicated avenue to take but it makes life a little nicer for me. Perhaps someday I will not use any " mind altering " drugs. For now though, the occasional drink has much to offer. I have found that I gain valuable insight from this dabbling. Being new to abstainance, I don't want to bite off more than I can chew. Moderation works well for me, total abstainance doesn't. I have been trying to get control of my self for approximately 6-7 yrs. I attended AA / CA / NA as well as three short rehab programs and one intensive 5 month non 12step program. I have too much trouble negotiating " all or nothing thinking " in one part of my life and not in the rest. The XA all or nothing approach didn't work for me. Allan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 Hi Luanne; AA taught us that moderation management was impossible because we had the disease alcoholism. They told us all attempts at this had failed, they lied. My story is different than most on the group as I never attained any length of sobriety in AA, though I tried for 30 years. I have a condition called PTSD, a personality disorder, caused by trauma. I told folks in AA I was drinking to stop the pain, they told me that was a bullshit excuse. I bought into their thinking and stayed drunk for most of thirty years. I did not however know the cause of the pain, only that it was extreme and alcohol would stop it. In 1990, I learned what was wrong, this PTSD, I haven't drank since. It will be 9 years in October. Oh after a few months of therapy, the pfysical pain from the PTSD, left and has not returned. The same was true of the urge to drink until at about 16 months sober I went back to AA. I only stayed 8 months, but nearly all the bad old crap returned. My attitudes went to hell, the urge to drink came back, it was a total disaster. A short time after I got out of AA for the last time, the urge to drink left and has never came back. I agree with a couple of things from AA. First, honesty makes life easier because I don't bring unnecessary stress down on myself if I remain honest. That same honesty requires I look at my opinions and beliefs to see if the are valid and go along with the way I live. Putting sobriety as my number one priority at this point in my life is no longer valid and hasn't been for some time now. I'm a lifer when it comes to sobriety and it now is a habit, one that would require a conscous effort on my part to break. I would have to get in the car and go get it, or to a bar. Neither of those is likely. It is no longer necessary for me to put effort into not drinking. So other things get the front burners now. For the first year I worked a week at a time, by two years it had stretched to a month. Now I don't think much about it other than how many years it has been. I do however believe that the risk of my taking a drink, far outweighs any possible reward. I am an extremist in that regard and don't ask others to join me in that belief. I'm reasonably comfortable in my rut so to speak. I won't take a risk unless the payoff is greater than the risk. If I buy 5 lotto tickets, I will probably lose five dollars, but the possibility of winning millions is also there. The possibility of turning my life upside down, is too great a risk for me, compared to the glow from a drink or two. Others see things from another viewpoint. Actually in our society, moderation is more acceptable than my extremism. I do work in keeping that all or nothing viewpoint confined to my use of alcohol and not let it manage my thoughts on other subjects or other people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 Hi Luanne; Hear you loud and clear on the lack of concentration. I still forget where I put things and go absolutely bonkers trying to find them. The concentration and attention span got better by leaps and bounds for me. I can now read tech books etc and comprehend fully what it's all about. My therapy has been finished formally for nearly seven years now. Keep at it and the prescriptions that help and hang around, we won't always piss you off. PTSD IS treatable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 Hi Luanne; Hear you loud and clear on the lack of concentration. I still forget where I put things and go absolutely bonkers trying to find them. The concentration and attention span got better by leaps and bounds for me. I can now read tech books etc and comprehend fully what it's all about. My therapy has been finished formally for nearly seven years now. Keep at it and the prescriptions that help and hang around, we won't always piss you off. PTSD IS treatable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 Hi Luanne; Hear you loud and clear on the lack of concentration. I still forget where I put things and go absolutely bonkers trying to find them. The concentration and attention span got better by leaps and bounds for me. I can now read tech books etc and comprehend fully what it's all about. My therapy has been finished formally for nearly seven years now. Keep at it and the prescriptions that help and hang around, we won't always piss you off. PTSD IS treatable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 DSM IV is not the Bible. The characteristics of various disorders are determined by committee, and the info regarding treatment and cures is always bound to be out-of-date. There will be a DSM V sooner or later, and perhaps they will say PTSD is treatable. I think it's kind of funny when they actually determine that a particular disorder no longer exists. Does that mean a person with that DX is suddenly well? May I ask you, and Luanne, what kind of psychotherapy your treatment consist(s)(ed) of, and Luanne, what meds you are taking? wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6340 > In a message dated 7/26/99 6:30:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > pachy2@... writes: > > << PTSD IS treatable >> > > > I seem to be getting worse than better. Perhaps because mine went untreated > for so long. Therapist says mine is severe and according to DSM IV, there is > no cure. > > Best, > Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 In a message dated 7/26/99 11:13:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wgt@... writes: << Honestly, I just don't see why it should be impossible for people to have problems, and then overcome them. >> Wait a minute....are we talking about overcoming PTSD or alcoholism? I OVERCAME alcoholism - I don't drink anymore - PERIOD. Best, Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 In a message dated 7/26/99 11:35:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wrose2@... writes: << My personal pain is really hard to try to gauge against others'-so I just try to deal with it and be strong and keep going...especially on the days where it really sucks and I feel really small. >> I think that anybody who suffers from PTSD, anxiety, panic, depression, or any other mental illness is in a LOT of pain and it sucks. There really is no comparison. I have my hands full just taking care of LUANNE let alone anybody else. Best, Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 In a message dated 7/26/99 1:26:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wgt@... writes: << Incidentally I quit drinking too, period, about six years ago. Even then I thought that I *probably* could drink moderately, if I really worked at it, but that the possible consequences of failing were too serious for me to take the risk. As for what anybody else can do, or chooses to do, that is their business. >> Whew....thought I joined the wrong list for a minute!! <g> I feel exactly as you do Wally, the possible consequences of failing, not to mention, I cannot tell you the times I woke up in a hospital after a blackout...the list goes on and on. That is why I don't even want to consider 'moderatation drinking.' For those who can do it, or have the guts to try it - my hat goes off to ya!! Best, Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 In a message dated 7/26/99 2:46:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kayleighs@... writes: << I know it's not a day at the beach, Luanne, and I am sorry I came off as apparently dismissing your suffering. I certainly did not mean to, because I see what my husband goes through. >> Oh, I didn't understand that your husband was a fellow sufferer!! I am sure that you see first hand what he goes through. Some days are better than others, that's for sure! I think between my meds, my therapy, and my gym time helps me the very most. In fact, I am heading for the gym right now. Lots of anxiety, and I know that the gym will kill that off. Funny....years ago, I would drink a 12-pack of Lite to kill of the old anxiety! <g> Best to you and your husband, Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 Hi Luanne, Honestly, I just don't see why it should be impossible for people to have problems, and then overcome them. Consider this scenario: A guy has a beer after work one day, finds that it relaxes him and makes him feel good. Soon he has a beer after work every day. Time goes on, and he gradually ups the amount. At first there are no consequences at all. A few years later he is drinking, say, 8 or 14 or whatever beers every night. One day he " wakes up " and says, " Holy cow, 14 beers a night just ain't MODERATE! This has got to stop! " So he decides then and there to cut back to 2 beers on weeknights, reserving the option to go out and get blitzed once in a while on a Saturday night. What would you say? Is this story simply impossible, or did he never have a problem in the first place, or what? Best, wally Re: pardon? >In a message dated 7/26/99 2:46:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >pachy2@... writes: > ><< However, if some folks can drink moderately, why shouldn't they if > that's their choice. More power to them. > >> > > >How about this thought: If they can drink MODERATELY, they never had a >problem to start with??? > >Best, >Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 In a message dated 7/26/99 3:55:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dlhunt@... writes: << Luanne, my misguided friend, THAT is black and white thinking. Peace, >> Okay....I see what you are saying, but black/white, blue/green - I don't want to try moderation. I am too scared. Ended up in hospital wards too times before and don't want to risk it again. Best, Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 Re: pardon? >In a message dated 7/26/99 11:13:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >wgt@... writes: > ><< Honestly, I just don't see why it should be impossible for people to have > problems, and then overcome them. > >> > > >Wait a minute....are we talking about overcoming PTSD or alcoholism? I >OVERCAME alcoholism - I don't drink anymore - PERIOD. > >Best, >Luanne > Hi Luanne, We were talking about your statement: >How about this thought: If they can drink MODERATELY, they never had a >problem to start with??? I quoted it in my post. Incidentally I quit drinking too, period, about six years ago. Even then I thought that I *probably* could drink moderately, if I really worked at it, but that the possible consequences of failing were too serious for me to take the risk. As for what anybody else can do, or chooses to do, that is their business. Best regards, wally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 Thanks for your answer. I am not trying to be flippant. I really think that psychology progresses all the time, so that things that were thought to be uncurable are now able to be helped. The reason I asked, and I should have said so earlier, is that my husband has some symptoms of PTSD, and a psychiatrist has verified that he has a mild form. I am not sure she was right, I think it may be more severe than she thought. But I am interested in what has helped people, so that if he is ever receptive to the idea, I can suggest some alternatives for him. I know it's not a day at the beach, Luanne, and I am sorry I came off as apparently dismissing your suffering. I certainly did not mean to, because I see what my husband goes through. I think you are better off than he is because you are seeking help, and he has apparently decided that there is no help for how he feels. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6345 > In a message dated 7/26/99 7:52:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > kayleighs@... writes: > > << There will be a DSM V sooner or later, > and perhaps they will say PTSD is treatable. I think it's kind of > funny when they actually determine that a particular disorder no longer > exists. Does that mean a person with that DX is suddenly well? >> > > > Let me tell you...I have lived with PTSD for the last 17 years of my life. > It is AWFUL and I would rather be in a wheel chair than suffer from this > 'thing.' > > My therapist has told me that symptoms can be minumized and triggers can be > acknowledged/recognized, but there is no cure. Seems like what is written > above would be from a person who doesn't suffer from PTSD or any other mental > illness/disorder because most folks who know anything about PTSD understand > that there is no 'cure.' I have had people tell me in the past " Oh, you > just need to exercise " or " Oh, you need a vacation " or " Oh, you need a > boyfriend. " That kind of mentality.......I think that nobody can understand > PTSD unless they themselves suffer from it, or live with a fellow sufferer of > this disorder. My alcoholism and drug addiction were symptoms, as were the > five suicide attempts while intoxicated. > > BTW, I am on xanax, effexor, trazedone and imitrex (for migraines). I see > therapist either once a week, or once every two weeks. > > Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 Hi , I found your post very hopeful. I think that I said before that it really hepls to hear 12 step free success stories to counter years of AA programming. Yours is certainly one of them. Thanks, sean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 LuanneP@... wrote: > > In a message dated 7/26/99 2:46:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > pachy2@... writes: > > << However, if some folks can drink moderately, why shouldn't they if > that's their choice. More power to them. > >> > > How about this thought: If they can drink MODERATELY, they never had a > problem to start with??? > > Best, > Luanne > Luanne, my misguided friend, THAT is black and white thinking. Peace, > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Was the salesman clueless? > Productopia has the answers. > http://clickhere./click/555 > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 In a message dated 7/26/99 8:49:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kayleighs@... writes: << Some other time I'll write a post about my husband, though it feels kind of like a betrayal to me, but I really am interested in 's and your comments. >> If your hubby is ever interested, I have a support list for those diagnosed with PTSD. If anyone else is interested, please email me privately and I'll give you instructions on how to join. Funny.....half of that list are in recovery from something too. Best, Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 Thanks for your good wishes, Luanne, and same to you. Please realize no one on this group wants you to drink. We all only want to see everyone who subscribes be able to exercise choice. That just means getting over the AA conditioning. It doesn't mean drinking. Some other time I'll write a post about my husband, though it feels kind of like a betrayal to me, but I really am interested in 's and your comments. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6362 > In a message dated 7/26/99 2:46:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > kayleighs@... writes: > > << > I know it's not a day at the beach, Luanne, and I am sorry I came off > as apparently dismissing your suffering. I certainly did not mean to, > because I see what my husband goes through. >> > > > Oh, I didn't understand that your husband was a fellow sufferer!! I am sure > that you see first hand what he goes through. Some days are better than > others, that's for sure! I think between my meds, my therapy, and my gym > time helps me the very most. In fact, I am heading for the gym right now. > Lots of anxiety, and I know that the gym will kill that off. Funny....years > ago, I would drink a 12-pack of Lite to kill of the old anxiety! <g> > > Best to you and your husband, > Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 Thanks for your good wishes, Luanne, and same to you. Please realize no one on this group wants you to drink. We all only want to see everyone who subscribes be able to exercise choice. That just means getting over the AA conditioning. It doesn't mean drinking. Some other time I'll write a post about my husband, though it feels kind of like a betrayal to me, but I really am interested in 's and your comments. wrote: original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=6362 > In a message dated 7/26/99 2:46:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > kayleighs@... writes: > > << > I know it's not a day at the beach, Luanne, and I am sorry I came off > as apparently dismissing your suffering. I certainly did not mean to, > because I see what my husband goes through. >> > > > Oh, I didn't understand that your husband was a fellow sufferer!! I am sure > that you see first hand what he goes through. Some days are better than > others, that's for sure! I think between my meds, my therapy, and my gym > time helps me the very most. In fact, I am heading for the gym right now. > Lots of anxiety, and I know that the gym will kill that off. Funny....years > ago, I would drink a 12-pack of Lite to kill of the old anxiety! <g> > > Best to you and your husband, > Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 Luanne, Wally's reference is plural, yes. It is possible to overcome and /or deal with several problems-even PTSD AND ALCOHOLISM AND ANOREXIA-I have. >From: LuanneP@... >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups >To: 12-step-freeegroups >Subject: Re: pardon? >Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:22:38 EDT > >In a message dated 7/26/99 11:13:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >wgt@... writes: > ><< Honestly, I just don't see why it should be impossible for people to >have > problems, and then overcome them. > >> > > >Wait a minute....are we talking about overcoming PTSD or alcoholism? I >OVERCAME alcoholism - I don't drink anymore - PERIOD. > >Best, >Luanne > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to tablesaws. >http://clickhere./click/552 > > >eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 Luanne, Wally's reference is plural, yes. It is possible to overcome and /or deal with several problems-even PTSD AND ALCOHOLISM AND ANOREXIA-I have. >From: LuanneP@... >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups >To: 12-step-freeegroups >Subject: Re: pardon? >Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:22:38 EDT > >In a message dated 7/26/99 11:13:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >wgt@... writes: > ><< Honestly, I just don't see why it should be impossible for people to >have > problems, and then overcome them. > >> > > >Wait a minute....are we talking about overcoming PTSD or alcoholism? I >OVERCAME alcoholism - I don't drink anymore - PERIOD. > >Best, >Luanne > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to tablesaws. >http://clickhere./click/552 > > >eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 Luanne: I got rid of a lot of my " side effects " of PTSD by facing my perpetrator in a court of law. I am not nearly so afraid of the dark-the panic attacks are negligible. Sometimes the depression is very heavy to me, but I put one foot in front of the other and continue with whatever I can do to get through. I was molested when I was three and I am 44 now. It is very difficult to deal with the though process and that's what I'm working on. I still have anxiety, but for the most part, I can live with it and with therapy-it comes even easier. So in the last 18 years for me, I have gotten the anorexia very comfortably in hand, quit drinking in '82, quit smoking over 3 years ago and dealt with the demons of my childhood-which was stolen from me. Plus a lot of other incidental things. I'm an ongoing project! It isn't right or fair what happened-but if you can LIVE with it-it makes you stronger then average, right? I like to think that. Hang in there! >From: LuanneP@... >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups >To: 12-step-freeegroups >Subject: Re: pardon? >Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:24:27 EDT > >In a message dated 7/26/99 11:35:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >wrose2@... writes: > ><< My personal pain is really hard > to try to gauge against others'-so I just try to deal with it and be >strong > and keep going...especially on the days where it really sucks and I feel > really small. >> > > >I think that anybody who suffers from PTSD, anxiety, panic, depression, or >any other mental illness is in a LOT of pain and it sucks. There really is >no comparison. I have my hands full just taking care of LUANNE let alone >anybody else. > >Best, >Luanne > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >GET $10 OFF ANY ORDER @ healthshop.com! No min. purchase req. >Save on vitamins & supplements. Use coupon code: EGROUPS99 >at checkout. http://clickhere./click/463 > > >eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 Luanne: I got rid of a lot of my " side effects " of PTSD by facing my perpetrator in a court of law. I am not nearly so afraid of the dark-the panic attacks are negligible. Sometimes the depression is very heavy to me, but I put one foot in front of the other and continue with whatever I can do to get through. I was molested when I was three and I am 44 now. It is very difficult to deal with the though process and that's what I'm working on. I still have anxiety, but for the most part, I can live with it and with therapy-it comes even easier. So in the last 18 years for me, I have gotten the anorexia very comfortably in hand, quit drinking in '82, quit smoking over 3 years ago and dealt with the demons of my childhood-which was stolen from me. Plus a lot of other incidental things. I'm an ongoing project! It isn't right or fair what happened-but if you can LIVE with it-it makes you stronger then average, right? I like to think that. Hang in there! >From: LuanneP@... >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups >To: 12-step-freeegroups >Subject: Re: pardon? >Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:24:27 EDT > >In a message dated 7/26/99 11:35:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >wrose2@... writes: > ><< My personal pain is really hard > to try to gauge against others'-so I just try to deal with it and be >strong > and keep going...especially on the days where it really sucks and I feel > really small. >> > > >I think that anybody who suffers from PTSD, anxiety, panic, depression, or >any other mental illness is in a LOT of pain and it sucks. There really is >no comparison. I have my hands full just taking care of LUANNE let alone >anybody else. > >Best, >Luanne > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >GET $10 OFF ANY ORDER @ healthshop.com! No min. purchase req. >Save on vitamins & supplements. Use coupon code: EGROUPS99 >at checkout. http://clickhere./click/463 > > >eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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