Guest guest Posted July 25, 1999 Report Share Posted July 25, 1999 > RR says " zero " is to be the acceptable level; Moderation Management says limited levels, coupled with some absolutes (such as no drinking before driving) is the acceptable level. Personally I feel a synthesis between RR and MM would have far-reaching effects on reducing problem drinking, and tragic aftermaths. > Rita, I thought your entire post was really interesting. I quoted this portion because it fits in with a conversation I had with Bob Muscala, the only personal advisor for SMART Recovery meetings in Minnesota (outside one state prison). I got his name from the SMART website and gave him a call. He said basically the same thing you have here. His reasoning was that AA is so large and influential, and alternatives so relatively small and unknown, that " united we stand. " He said that the best " program " would be idiosyncratic, based on the individual's needs, beliefs, lifestyle, etc., and would probably include aspects of different alternatives. Judith ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 1999 Report Share Posted July 25, 1999 > RR says " zero " is to be the acceptable level; Moderation Management says limited levels, coupled with some absolutes (such as no drinking before driving) is the acceptable level. Personally I feel a synthesis between RR and MM would have far-reaching effects on reducing problem drinking, and tragic aftermaths. > Rita, I thought your entire post was really interesting. I quoted this portion because it fits in with a conversation I had with Bob Muscala, the only personal advisor for SMART Recovery meetings in Minnesota (outside one state prison). I got his name from the SMART website and gave him a call. He said basically the same thing you have here. His reasoning was that AA is so large and influential, and alternatives so relatively small and unknown, that " united we stand. " He said that the best " program " would be idiosyncratic, based on the individual's needs, beliefs, lifestyle, etc., and would probably include aspects of different alternatives. Judith ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 1999 Report Share Posted July 25, 1999 In a message dated 7/25/99 4:37:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, railroadrita@... writes: << Moderation Management says limited levels, coupled with some absolutes (such as no drinking before driving) is the acceptable level. >> In MY case, this is ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE!!!!! I cannot handle my booze - PERIOD! Once I start, I can't stop. It's been eight years, and believe you me, I am not even going to GO THERE AGAIN!!! Tried to long to drink like a 'normal person.' The above statement pisses me off royally. I cannot believe that some folks can actually do this. For me, it's ALL or NOTHING!! Best, Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 1999 Report Share Posted July 25, 1999 In a message dated 7/25/99 4:37:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, railroadrita@... writes: << Moderation Management says limited levels, coupled with some absolutes (such as no drinking before driving) is the acceptable level. >> In MY case, this is ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE!!!!! I cannot handle my booze - PERIOD! Once I start, I can't stop. It's been eight years, and believe you me, I am not even going to GO THERE AGAIN!!! Tried to long to drink like a 'normal person.' The above statement pisses me off royally. I cannot believe that some folks can actually do this. For me, it's ALL or NOTHING!! Best, Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 1999 Report Share Posted July 25, 1999 --- Hi -- Once again, please let me jump in here. I don't speak for Carol and her personal feelings/take on things, of course, but I would like to comment on RR. I do agree with you that Trimpey's presentation and self-congratulations are truly theater of the absurd. However, please try to separate the method from the man. If Trimpey's personal style is not to your liking, does that mean Rational Recovery's approach is without merit? The " science " behind RR, in my opinion, is sociology. For many centuries, and many decades into this century, the rate of alcoholism among Jews was very, VERY much lower than that of most other ethnic groups. With the advent of " medical " models of alcoholism, such as the primitivistic " allergy " idea of the early AA's, or later, more sophisticated-sounding notions of a genetic flaw in the way alcohol is metabolized, it was thought that Jews probably had some genetic marker _against_ alcoholism. As American Jews became more assimilated, and religious education/ " Jewish consciousness " began to become less common, rates of alcoholism among American Jews began to rise. This could not be accounted for by the phenomenon of intermarriage, as alcoholism rates rose for (pardon the vulgarism) " full-blooded " Jews as well. Stanton Peele did a piece on the prevalence of alcoholism among cultures that encourage alcohol use (but discourage inebriety) vs. cultures that " demonize " alcohol completely. Alcoholism rates are far higher in the latter cultures. Observant Jews are _required_ to drink wine weekly to welcome Shabbat, and on certain holidays; before the wine is drunk, it is blessed as a gift from God, to be respected and not abused. Jewish children who attend religious education are taught through Bible stories and (other) mythology to avoid drunkenness, but not to avoid responsible alcohol consumption. In addition, Talmud and Jewish tradition hold that people are always fully responsible for all their behavior, and that if one is behaving badly, it is fully within his/her power to " turn over a new leaf " . The genetic and medical models fell flat when Jewish alcoholism rates began to approach alcoholism rates in the general population. Obviously our genes hadn't changed, nor had we suddenly as a people become more " diseased " ; what had changed, and what was missing in Jewish problem drinkers, was the internal controls preventing irresponsible alcohol consumption, which happened to have been encouraged previously by religious conviction. This suggests that problem drinking is a sociological/internalized perception phenomenon. Altering the perception of what kind of drinking is personally acceptable can therefore be expected to significantly decrease problem drinking. Rational Recovery suggests that drinking is pleasurable (would anyone argue that point?) and that people drink excessively/irresponsibly because their desire for pleasure is not held in check by any overriding convictions, beliefs, morality, whatever. The demographic reality that alcoholism among observant Jews remains very low, while among non-observant Jews is just about equal to that of the general population, bears this out. Although I disagree with the permanent, total abstinence stance of the Trimpeys, I see AVRT as having real validity in its suggestion that individuals can " re-vamp " their personal stance on what is acceptable drinking behavior for them. RR says " zero " is to be the acceptable level; Moderation Management says limited levels, coupled with some absolutes (such as no drinking before driving) is the acceptable level. Personally I feel a synthesis between RR and MM would have far-reaching effects on reducing problem drinking, and tragic aftermaths. ~Rita ------------------------------- >With a statement such as, it must feel good to hurt me it is no wonder >that you don't understand my RR slam. Get a grip this an e-mail >discussion you make it sound like a face to face assault or a feeelings >mugging. >I am voicing my own opinions about what I see as a obviously flawed >system that is claiming perfection. I have been getting no straight >answers from you just as I didn't from the RR site which leads me to >believe there just aren't any. The intent is not to hurt your >feelings although if you say your hurting you may be.. >If you feel I hurt you I can sincerely say sorry about that but that is >your choice and your feelings to deal with. I have received e-mails from >others who feel you speak to them like they are ignorant children but >don't feel the need to go on the list and make a statement to the effect >that they are victims and are being hurt by you. I like this forum and >would also like to feel we are good enough sports about getting to the >truth to understand that hurt feelings may occur in the process. The >objective in my mind is to dismantle and examine ideas and with that at >times the messenger will get personal blowback. So having said that what >is the science behind RR that allows no science except that of it's own >device or as borrowed and relabeled theory. Remembering of course that >theory can be viewed as an assumption or guess yet to be proven as fact. >Just because the power of belief and taking a pledge can work for some >how does this translate into some newly written down science by JT? >Inquiring minds want to know. > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >I get paid nothing for facilitating RR and don't understand your slam. I > >know the science behind RR. I can discuss. > >It must feel good to hurt me. > --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 1999 Report Share Posted July 25, 1999 LuanneP@... writes: > The above statement pisses me off royally. I cannot believe that some folks > can actually do this. For me, it's ALL or NOTHING!! Just because that's true for you doesn't mean that it's true for everybody. And just because you can't believe it doesn't mean it can't be done. I choose to remain abstinent because the potential risks for me personally aren't worth the " reward " I might get from trying to drink socially, but I don't dream of suggesting that it's the only choice. Nor do I believe that anyone who has suggested moderation management has claimed that it was for everyone, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 1999 Report Share Posted July 25, 1999 LuanneP@... writes: > The above statement pisses me off royally. I cannot believe that some folks > can actually do this. For me, it's ALL or NOTHING!! Just because that's true for you doesn't mean that it's true for everybody. And just because you can't believe it doesn't mean it can't be done. I choose to remain abstinent because the potential risks for me personally aren't worth the " reward " I might get from trying to drink socially, but I don't dream of suggesting that it's the only choice. Nor do I believe that anyone who has suggested moderation management has claimed that it was for everyone, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 1999 Report Share Posted July 25, 1999 At 09:07 PM 7/25/99 EDT, LuanneP@... wrote: >In a message dated 7/25/99 4:37:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >railroadrita@... writes: > ><< Moderation Management says limited levels, coupled with some absolutes >(such as no drinking before driving) is the acceptable level. >> > > >In MY case, this is ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE!!!!! I cannot handle my booze - >PERIOD! Once I start, I can't stop. It's been eight years, and believe you >me, I am not even going to GO THERE AGAIN!!! Tried to long to drink like a >'normal person.' > >The above statement pisses me off royally. I cannot believe that some folks >can actually do this. For me, it's ALL or NOTHING!! > >Best, >Luanne I have 11 years without a drink. I used to feel a similar reaction whenever the topic of moderate drinking or 'controlled drinking' was brought up. I no longer react this way, and such statements no longer piss me off. [Maybe I've learned ... acceptance? :-) ] I strongly suspect (okay, I VERY strongly suspect) that this reaction is programmed by AA. It's clearly black-and-white thinking, and appears to come, at least partly, from the first three paragraphs or so of chapter 3 of the big book. In AA there is a lot less separation between an AA member and a drunk on the street ( " There, but for the grace of god, go I " , gag), than there than there is beetween AA'ers and moderate drinkers (those who have maybe half a drink or one-and-a-half drinks in an evening). I often heard such people called 'normal people', 'civilians', and 'Earth people' in AA. This contunues the SMART/RR thread of Rita's recent post abouse Jews and the Dorsman book. Luanne, I hope you're not totally pissed of at this response. There are a tremendous number of ideas in AA that infect one's mind, and even though many of them are about drinking, if you don't believe any of them you can still go without a drink. It seems you're carrying many of these ideas, as evidenced by someone calling you a troll (AA sympathizer) in response to comments you made when you were on the list before. Over that past five to eight years I've questioned every concept I've ever heard of and could think of about AA, including not drinking. I now choose to continue to not drink now for my own reasons, not because of anything I learned in AA (at least I would like to think this). ----- <http://listen.to/benbradley> New and Improved! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 1999 Report Share Posted July 25, 1999 At 09:07 PM 7/25/99 EDT, LuanneP@... wrote: >In a message dated 7/25/99 4:37:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >railroadrita@... writes: > ><< Moderation Management says limited levels, coupled with some absolutes >(such as no drinking before driving) is the acceptable level. >> > > >In MY case, this is ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE!!!!! I cannot handle my booze - >PERIOD! Once I start, I can't stop. It's been eight years, and believe you >me, I am not even going to GO THERE AGAIN!!! Tried to long to drink like a >'normal person.' > >The above statement pisses me off royally. I cannot believe that some folks >can actually do this. For me, it's ALL or NOTHING!! > >Best, >Luanne I have 11 years without a drink. I used to feel a similar reaction whenever the topic of moderate drinking or 'controlled drinking' was brought up. I no longer react this way, and such statements no longer piss me off. [Maybe I've learned ... acceptance? :-) ] I strongly suspect (okay, I VERY strongly suspect) that this reaction is programmed by AA. It's clearly black-and-white thinking, and appears to come, at least partly, from the first three paragraphs or so of chapter 3 of the big book. In AA there is a lot less separation between an AA member and a drunk on the street ( " There, but for the grace of god, go I " , gag), than there than there is beetween AA'ers and moderate drinkers (those who have maybe half a drink or one-and-a-half drinks in an evening). I often heard such people called 'normal people', 'civilians', and 'Earth people' in AA. This contunues the SMART/RR thread of Rita's recent post abouse Jews and the Dorsman book. Luanne, I hope you're not totally pissed of at this response. There are a tremendous number of ideas in AA that infect one's mind, and even though many of them are about drinking, if you don't believe any of them you can still go without a drink. It seems you're carrying many of these ideas, as evidenced by someone calling you a troll (AA sympathizer) in response to comments you made when you were on the list before. Over that past five to eight years I've questioned every concept I've ever heard of and could think of about AA, including not drinking. I now choose to continue to not drink now for my own reasons, not because of anything I learned in AA (at least I would like to think this). ----- <http://listen.to/benbradley> New and Improved! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 1999 Report Share Posted July 25, 1999 Luanne; I drank heavily for 6 years because I couldn't deal with the pain of being sexually abused. I have not had a drink for nearly 18 years- 3x that. I am considering alternatives to complete abstinence, because I doubt if alcohol was my problem. However, 15 years in the meantime in AA have totally guilt-tripped me. I am trying to not only deal with my core issue now, I am having to heal from the damage AA did to me in the guilt department and other ways. Moderation Management may not be for you. I would suggest you keep an open mind about yourself, though. >From: LuanneP@... >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups >To: 12-step-freeegroups >Subject: Re: pardon? >Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:07:59 EDT > >In a message dated 7/25/99 4:37:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >railroadrita@... writes: > ><< Moderation Management says limited levels, coupled with some absolutes >(such as no drinking before driving) is the acceptable level. >> > > >In MY case, this is ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE!!!!! I cannot handle my booze - >PERIOD! Once I start, I can't stop. It's been eight years, and believe >you >me, I am not even going to GO THERE AGAIN!!! Tried to long to drink like a >'normal person.' > >The above statement pisses me off royally. I cannot believe that some >folks >can actually do this. For me, it's ALL or NOTHING!! > >Best, >Luanne > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Click Here to apply for a NextCard Internet Visa and start earning >FREE travel in HALF the time with the NextCard Rew@rds Program. >http://clickhere./click/449 > > >eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 1999 Report Share Posted July 25, 1999 Luanne; I drank heavily for 6 years because I couldn't deal with the pain of being sexually abused. I have not had a drink for nearly 18 years- 3x that. I am considering alternatives to complete abstinence, because I doubt if alcohol was my problem. However, 15 years in the meantime in AA have totally guilt-tripped me. I am trying to not only deal with my core issue now, I am having to heal from the damage AA did to me in the guilt department and other ways. Moderation Management may not be for you. I would suggest you keep an open mind about yourself, though. >From: LuanneP@... >Reply-To: 12-step-freeegroups >To: 12-step-freeegroups >Subject: Re: pardon? >Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 21:07:59 EDT > >In a message dated 7/25/99 4:37:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >railroadrita@... writes: > ><< Moderation Management says limited levels, coupled with some absolutes >(such as no drinking before driving) is the acceptable level. >> > > >In MY case, this is ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE!!!!! I cannot handle my booze - >PERIOD! Once I start, I can't stop. It's been eight years, and believe >you >me, I am not even going to GO THERE AGAIN!!! Tried to long to drink like a >'normal person.' > >The above statement pisses me off royally. I cannot believe that some >folks >can actually do this. For me, it's ALL or NOTHING!! > >Best, >Luanne > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Click Here to apply for a NextCard Internet Visa and start earning >FREE travel in HALF the time with the NextCard Rew@rds Program. >http://clickhere./click/449 > > >eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 In a message dated 7/25/99 9:20:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, benbradley@... writes: << I strongly suspect (okay, I VERY strongly suspect) that this reaction is programmed by AA. It's clearly black-and-white thinking, and appears to come, at least partly, from the first three paragraphs or so of chapter 3 of the big book. >> Maybe you are right about the AA thing, BUT I don't even want to think about myself getting into 'Moderate Drinking.' It ain't gonna happen, believe me! Best, Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 In a message dated 7/25/99 9:40:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, saes@... writes: << Just because that's true for you doesn't mean that it's true for everybody. >> I agree. Most of the ex-drunks that I know though, could not go back to moderate drinking. Like me, too many of 'em 'tried' many times to drink moderately, only to fail. Best, luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 In a message dated 7/26/99 2:46:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, pachy2@... writes: << However, if some folks can drink moderately, why shouldn't they if that's their choice. More power to them. >> How about this thought: If they can drink MODERATELY, they never had a problem to start with??? Best, Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 In a message dated 7/26/99 2:46:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, pachy2@... writes: << However, if some folks can drink moderately, why shouldn't they if that's their choice. More power to them. >> How about this thought: If they can drink MODERATELY, they never had a problem to start with??? Best, Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 In a message dated 7/26/99 5:17:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, adeles@... writes: << The XA all or nothing approach didn't work for me. >> I've tried too many times to drink moderately. It doesn't work for me, plain and simple. Best, Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 In a message dated 7/26/99 5:17:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, adeles@... writes: << The XA all or nothing approach didn't work for me. >> I've tried too many times to drink moderately. It doesn't work for me, plain and simple. Best, Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 In a message dated 7/26/99 5:40:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, pachy2@... writes: << I have a condition called PTSD, a personality disorder, caused by trauma. >> I too, suffer from PTSD. Still, I'm not even gonna think about TRYING to become a 'moderate drinker.' I'm happier without the stuff, and now that I am receiving treatment for the PTSD (four kinds of meds and therapy) I really don't have an urge to drink, so why would I even want to think about moderating it? The only trouble that I have is when folks from different lists urge me to read those 'Feel Better' and other such 'self-help books.' My concentration is SHOT from the PTSD and I have a great deal of difficulty with reading and concentration. In fact, I couldn't read your whole post. Will continue reading the remainder of it later on. Best, Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 In a message dated 7/26/99 5:49:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wrose2@... writes: << Moderation Management may not be for you. >> I KNOW it's not for me. Best, Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 In a message dated 7/26/99 6:30:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, pachy2@... writes: << PTSD IS treatable >> I seem to be getting worse than better. Perhaps because mine went untreated for so long. Therapist says mine is severe and according to DSM IV, there is no cure. Best, Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 In a message dated 7/26/99 6:30:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, pachy2@... writes: << PTSD IS treatable >> I seem to be getting worse than better. Perhaps because mine went untreated for so long. Therapist says mine is severe and according to DSM IV, there is no cure. Best, Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 Hi ; I must agree. This is open discussion. One of the big objections I had to AA was allowing only one opinion. I choose abstinence for the same reasons as you, plus health considerations since I've had a quad bypass operation. However, if some folks can drink moderately, why shouldn't they if that's their choice. More power to them. Being abstinent for folks like me is an abnormal condition. Also abstinence is all or nothing thinking and I need to be careful that all or nothing, doesn't slip into the rest of my thinking. This requires a balancing act that is not always easy. Part of that balancing is to let other folks do it their way and be glad for them when it works. In order to command respect for my way of doing things, I must respect that another's way is just as valid for them as mine is for me. It sounds great, but is somewhat more difficult in the doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 Hi ; I must agree. This is open discussion. One of the big objections I had to AA was allowing only one opinion. I choose abstinence for the same reasons as you, plus health considerations since I've had a quad bypass operation. However, if some folks can drink moderately, why shouldn't they if that's their choice. More power to them. Being abstinent for folks like me is an abnormal condition. Also abstinence is all or nothing thinking and I need to be careful that all or nothing, doesn't slip into the rest of my thinking. This requires a balancing act that is not always easy. Part of that balancing is to let other folks do it their way and be glad for them when it works. In order to command respect for my way of doing things, I must respect that another's way is just as valid for them as mine is for me. It sounds great, but is somewhat more difficult in the doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 In a message dated 7/26/99 7:52:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kayleighs@... writes: << There will be a DSM V sooner or later, and perhaps they will say PTSD is treatable. I think it's kind of funny when they actually determine that a particular disorder no longer exists. Does that mean a person with that DX is suddenly well? >> Let me tell you...I have lived with PTSD for the last 17 years of my life. It is AWFUL and I would rather be in a wheel chair than suffer from this 'thing.' My therapist has told me that symptoms can be minumized and triggers can be acknowledged/recognized, but there is no cure. Seems like what is written above would be from a person who doesn't suffer from PTSD or any other mental illness/disorder because most folks who know anything about PTSD understand that there is no 'cure.' I have had people tell me in the past " Oh, you just need to exercise " or " Oh, you need a vacation " or " Oh, you need a boyfriend. " That kind of mentality.......I think that nobody can understand PTSD unless they themselves suffer from it, or live with a fellow sufferer of this disorder. My alcoholism and drug addiction were symptoms, as were the five suicide attempts while intoxicated. BTW, I am on xanax, effexor, trazedone and imitrex (for migraines). I see therapist either once a week, or once every two weeks. Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 In a message dated 7/26/99 7:52:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kayleighs@... writes: << There will be a DSM V sooner or later, and perhaps they will say PTSD is treatable. I think it's kind of funny when they actually determine that a particular disorder no longer exists. Does that mean a person with that DX is suddenly well? >> Let me tell you...I have lived with PTSD for the last 17 years of my life. It is AWFUL and I would rather be in a wheel chair than suffer from this 'thing.' My therapist has told me that symptoms can be minumized and triggers can be acknowledged/recognized, but there is no cure. Seems like what is written above would be from a person who doesn't suffer from PTSD or any other mental illness/disorder because most folks who know anything about PTSD understand that there is no 'cure.' I have had people tell me in the past " Oh, you just need to exercise " or " Oh, you need a vacation " or " Oh, you need a boyfriend. " That kind of mentality.......I think that nobody can understand PTSD unless they themselves suffer from it, or live with a fellow sufferer of this disorder. My alcoholism and drug addiction were symptoms, as were the five suicide attempts while intoxicated. BTW, I am on xanax, effexor, trazedone and imitrex (for migraines). I see therapist either once a week, or once every two weeks. Luanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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