Re: I'm angry

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HI

Funny thing is, my true BB-blue sponsor was a Randism fan.

He saw it as highly compatible with steppism - and with its

ultr-conservative politics, I am not surprised.

Pete

On Thu, 08 Jul 1999 11:22:10 -0700 Hollister

wrote:

> Hi Pete,

>

> I certainly wasn't suggesting that anybody get caught up in Rand's whole

> trip or anyone else's for that matter. The video proved helpful to me in

> the self empowerment dept. after years of submission to the powerless AA

> mindset.

>

> The film champions the individual, and after years of having my health

> and well being subordinated to the group, it breathed life back into my

> desiccated self -image and kept me going until I found you guys.

>

>

>

> Pete Watts wrote:

> >

> > Hi

> >

> > I posted recently how Rand created a cult of her own. I'm certainly not a

> > fan of her political views (laissez-faire capitalism and no welfare state)

> > but it's certaibyl true to say that they fit very well with the

> > ultra-individualist American culture.

> >

> > Pete

> >

> >

> >

> > > Hi :

> > > Ayn Rand who wrote the book " The Fountainhead " was actually discussed

> > > on this list several months ago. Seems that her writing & philosophies

> > > make great AA detox material, and I do have an Ayn Rand link on my

> > > site. I perused the book but it looks really fat with tiny print, and

> > > I'm not in the mood right now. Maybe the film would be an adequate

> > > substitute.

> > > Apple

> > > >

> > > > I also watched a video on the 4th. that I believe would appeal to most

> > > > of you free thinkers. It 's called " The Fountainhead " (B & W 1949) with

> > > > . It's a movie that honors the individual and the

> > > indomitable

> > > > human spirit, and I always come away feeling vindicated of my AA

> > > > indignities after watching it. I get a similar feeling when I read all

> > > > of your posts. This film is one of the many things that inspired my

> > > > departure from AA. It's available for rent at many Video Stores. I'd

> > > > love to hear your opinions if you should happen to give it a shot.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

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In a message dated 7/5/99 4:22:01 AM Central Daylight Time,

johnhollister@... writes:

<< I also watched a video on the 4th. that I believe would appeal to most

of you free thinkers. It 's called " The Fountainhead " (B & W 1949) with

. It' >>

THat happens to have been based on one of my all-time favorite novels by one

of my all-time favorite writers. Do say more./

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In a message dated 7/5/99 12:40:06 PM Central Daylight Time,

pachy2@... writes:

<<

Anyway, shouldn't be too dificult to find a copy of " The

Fountainhead " >>

Yesss! Read it!

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Hi Judith,

I too am angry. We have had similar experiences and your expression of

anger at AA helped me put my feelings into words.

Twenty years ago I had some pretty serious psychiatric problems they

said my drinking was a attempt at self medicating. Well after much

time and change of doctors I was placed in a substance abuse treatment

center. They had removed me from all psych drugs upon entering

treatment but when I was leaving the doctors were trying to convince me

that I needed therapy and drugs. I refused, I was already to well

indoctrinated into the twelve step thinking. It would be funny if it

wasn't so sad. Today I know I was self medicating back then. I have

had serious episodes of depression but my number one problem is an

anxiety disorder. I suffered for almost eighteen years without help. I

left AA about eight or nine years ago, I finally reached out for help

and now I cannot believe I suffered so horribly all those years.

I am bitter about AA for many reasons, shame is one of the big reasons.

you are so right about the shaming. AA is a shame based program. The

only people who fail are those who are incapable of being honest, how

shaming is that. I know of a couple suicides while in AA, wonder if

there was a connection. And that disease theory, what a crock. If

alcoholism were a disease then why osn't smoking, I could go on for

hours. but I will restrain myself, lest someone lable me with a

disease. Anyway good luck, there are lots of us who feel just like

you, take care. Suzy.

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