Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 HI Funny thing is, my true BB-blue sponsor was a Randism fan. He saw it as highly compatible with steppism - and with its ultr-conservative politics, I am not surprised. Pete On Thu, 08 Jul 1999 11:22:10 -0700 Hollister wrote: > Hi Pete, > > I certainly wasn't suggesting that anybody get caught up in Rand's whole > trip or anyone else's for that matter. The video proved helpful to me in > the self empowerment dept. after years of submission to the powerless AA > mindset. > > The film champions the individual, and after years of having my health > and well being subordinated to the group, it breathed life back into my > desiccated self -image and kept me going until I found you guys. > > > > Pete Watts wrote: > > > > Hi > > > > I posted recently how Rand created a cult of her own. I'm certainly not a > > fan of her political views (laissez-faire capitalism and no welfare state) > > but it's certaibyl true to say that they fit very well with the > > ultra-individualist American culture. > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > Hi : > > > Ayn Rand who wrote the book " The Fountainhead " was actually discussed > > > on this list several months ago. Seems that her writing & philosophies > > > make great AA detox material, and I do have an Ayn Rand link on my > > > site. I perused the book but it looks really fat with tiny print, and > > > I'm not in the mood right now. Maybe the film would be an adequate > > > substitute. > > > Apple > > > > > > > > I also watched a video on the 4th. that I believe would appeal to most > > > > of you free thinkers. It 's called " The Fountainhead " (B & W 1949) with > > > > . It's a movie that honors the individual and the > > > indomitable > > > > human spirit, and I always come away feeling vindicated of my AA > > > > indignities after watching it. I get a similar feeling when I read all > > > > of your posts. This film is one of the many things that inspired my > > > > departure from AA. It's available for rent at many Video Stores. I'd > > > > love to hear your opinions if you should happen to give it a shot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Click Here to apply for a NextCard Internet Visa and start earning > > > FREE travel in HALF the time with the NextCard Rew@rds Program. > > > http://clickhere./click/449 > > > > > > > > > > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > > > - Simplifying group communications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > ---------------------- > > Grant me the Strength > > To Change the Things I Can Not Accept > > > > PERSONALITY DISORDERS SUPPORT/INFO LIST: > > http://maelstrom.stjohns.edu/archives/personality-disorders.html > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Click Here to apply for a NextCard Internet Visa and start earning > > FREE travel in HALF the time with the NextCard Rew@rds Program. > > http://clickhere./click/449 > > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > > - Simplifying group communications > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Apply for a NextCard credit card: Save Money with a low intro rate and > no annual fee. Make Shopping Easy with Safe Shopping Guarantees, 1 Click > Shopping and Double Rewards. http://clickhere./click/448 > > > eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free > - Simplifying group communications > > > > Pete Watts Owner PSY-PHAR Psychology/Psychiatry Outcome Research in PsychoPharm PD Personality Disorders Discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 In a message dated 7/5/99 4:22:01 AM Central Daylight Time, johnhollister@... writes: << I also watched a video on the 4th. that I believe would appeal to most of you free thinkers. It 's called " The Fountainhead " (B & W 1949) with . It' >> THat happens to have been based on one of my all-time favorite novels by one of my all-time favorite writers. Do say more./ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 1999 Report Share Posted July 9, 1999 In a message dated 7/5/99 12:40:06 PM Central Daylight Time, pachy2@... writes: << Anyway, shouldn't be too dificult to find a copy of " The Fountainhead " >> Yesss! Read it! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 1999 Report Share Posted July 10, 1999 Hi Judith, I too am angry. We have had similar experiences and your expression of anger at AA helped me put my feelings into words. Twenty years ago I had some pretty serious psychiatric problems they said my drinking was a attempt at self medicating. Well after much time and change of doctors I was placed in a substance abuse treatment center. They had removed me from all psych drugs upon entering treatment but when I was leaving the doctors were trying to convince me that I needed therapy and drugs. I refused, I was already to well indoctrinated into the twelve step thinking. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Today I know I was self medicating back then. I have had serious episodes of depression but my number one problem is an anxiety disorder. I suffered for almost eighteen years without help. I left AA about eight or nine years ago, I finally reached out for help and now I cannot believe I suffered so horribly all those years. I am bitter about AA for many reasons, shame is one of the big reasons. you are so right about the shaming. AA is a shame based program. The only people who fail are those who are incapable of being honest, how shaming is that. I know of a couple suicides while in AA, wonder if there was a connection. And that disease theory, what a crock. If alcoholism were a disease then why osn't smoking, I could go on for hours. but I will restrain myself, lest someone lable me with a disease. Anyway good luck, there are lots of us who feel just like you, take care. Suzy. > Get your free, private email at http://mail.excite.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ eGroups.com home: /group/12-step-free - Simplifying group communications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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