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[Guest guest]

,

Your story about Olivia and " have to pee pee before dance " gave me the

giggles! LOL Hahahahahahaha

Take care,

Krista

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Tara:

Yes, a restless night can have a lot of impact on your temps, but usually

make them rise, not drop. Go ahead and record it but pretty much ignore it.

Make a note that you had a restless night that night so you will remember in

the future.

In Taking Charge of Your Fertility she talks about a " Rule of Thumb " . It is

basically to cover up odd temps with your thumb when looking at your chart

so you can see the pattern without being confused. Do you have this book?

I used a website to help me with charting, and I recorded temps like that

but could " discard them " from being displayed if I wanted. The site is

www.fertilityfriend.com

You have to subscribe, but for me it was worth it to have some help figuring

out the charts at first. You might take a look and see what you think.

There is even a free trial for new subscribers.

If you are having a lot of restless sleep, you might want to try the monitor

like Krista uses to assess ovulation.

Take care and good luck

[Guest guest]

Tara

I have to put my 2 cents worth in. I think wait till tomorrow, if you

didn't sleep solidly for atleast 3 hours, it may have affected the

reading. On Sunday when I took my temp.(first day of AF) it was VERY low

compared to a constant 37 deg.Celsius from then on. I had a very

restless night Saturday night, woke up constantly etc., so I am sure

that must have played a role. The last 3 days my readings have been

37.00, 37.00 and 36.96, so they are very regular.

How are you doing? Is everything moving along o.k.?

scroll ttc. mentioned

o.k.

I am getting very impatient. I want AF to finish now so we can get down

to the good stuff. I have felt alot more positive lately, and I'm soooo

exited about ttc. this month. I am not being overly confident though, I

know very well that it probably won't happen this month, but I'm just

glad to finally be here, and to for the first time since my e/p feel

ready to face the whole thing again. My dh. is now also getting exited,

although he said to me last night, that he only realises now how fragile

the whole thing is, and to what extent the e/p has effected us. But that

is all good though, because he now knows how I am feeling, and why I am

so eager for it to work this time, so if I feel down if AF comes again,

then he will completely understand where I am coming from.

Anyway, it is now only cycle day 4 for me, so it's early days yet.

please let me know how you are, I miss you.

take care, and I hope that you get some answers about your temps.

sonja

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,

This morning my temp dropped below the 98 coverline. It went to 97.8.

I had trouble sleeping and I have a lot on my mind. It is only day 24

so I can't understand why it would drop already. Do you think my

insomnia had anything to do w/ it. Should I wait and see what

tomorrow's temp is before I draw any conclusions?

Tara

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Sonja,

I agree, I will wait for tomorrow. I'm going to discount this day's temps.

Other than that my temps have been following a visible pattern.

Scroll ttc mentioned

Ok - that should be enough. I am definitely way past O this month. While

we are not really aiming to get pg until Jan - I have not been taking

preventative measures. I should see a drop by Monday or Tuesday and AF

should arrive. If not I will test. We are starting to get excited too.

Dh wants to try now in December. I should O around the first of December.

I'm just wondering what would be my due date. I'm calculating the end of

August - do you agree. Of course, I'm being a little presumptuous

imagining I could get pg on our first time out. I think I've reentered

denial. I feel like everything will be OK and I'll have no problems. I

should probably be a bit more realistic. Other than that I'm OK. Work is

really sucking. I'm thinking about taking a year off after the baby.

We're just not sure if we can swing it on one salary. Let me know how you

are doing.

Tara

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,

This morning my temp dropped below the 98 coverline. It went to 97.8.

I had trouble sleeping and I have a lot on my mind. It is only day 24

so I can't understand why it would drop already. Do you think my

insomnia had anything to do w/ it. Should I wait and see what

tomorrow's temp is before I draw any conclusions?

Tara

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Amy:

For me it was two months after the hsg

Hugs

[Guest guest]

You guys crack me up! What a visual!

L

[Guest guest]

Dear Stacey,

The R.E. sais that the cost was $8000 for EVERYTHING, but when I asked the

girl in the office who does the Insurance billing she said that there was a

range of $7500 to $9000 for a typical IVF round. So, I can live with that!

And, Insurance pays $3000, now that IS lifetime, but some of the procedures

(U/S, venipuncture,ofc vst, ect. are not part of the $3000 and are covered

like a regular OB visit. I am sending a

letter to the Ins Co with the codes and stuff to get an idea of what is taken

care of and approx. what we have to plan for. IF we end up going this

route!!

Take Care,

,

[Guest guest]

hey does that 8,000 include all those shots and pills that aren't

covered by insurance. the 15,000 included everything and they say that you

might get re-imbursed 1-2,000 of it at the end. Krista helped me on the

whole meds included or not thing. I kinda didn't like the fact that they

were included because I could shop around and get the best price for myself.

I the end I think it all is probably the same it's just how it's spelled

out. I would be interested to know if that 8,000 includes everything. Also

the fact that you insurance pays anything is AWESOME!!!!! Mine wouldn't even

consider it. I called and checked into it. They would cover a seamen

analysis and some initial bloodwork. Both have already been done so it

wouldn't be needed. Although now my husband thinks he has super sperm

because he came back above average on most the stuff. I think he believes

the little buggers are wearing superman capes. he is one of nine

children......I would believe it!!

Look into that and let me know....thanks

Stacey M.

Re: No Subject

>Dear Stacey M,

>

>I am going to start after AF this month. That should be on Christmas Day

>(oh joy!).

>The R.E. wants to have me in on CD12 for the ultrasound. If what he

suspects

>is true, that my left tube is in worse shape than the right, then this

>monitoring will

>probably not be advantageous. On the other hand, it could just be fine and

i

>may have just been really unlucky in that i've conceived so many times from

>the right side. Who knows! Again, the old left ovary/right tube and vice

>versa was discussed

>and he believes that BOTH tubes attempt to retreive eggs after ovulation

and

>the closer one obviously wins out in most cases. But, in my case, or so he

>thinks, the left tube is unable to do anything. So, the right one is where

I

>am getting pregnant in and it isn't in really good shape either. He wants

to

>do another HSG (its been 2.5 yrs since the last) to see if there is

anything

>evident from that, but he says that HSG is a crude assessment of the

interior

>of the tube.

>

>Anyway, thanks for listening.

>

>And, geez, that $15000 was what I had always thought the cost was, so when

he

>told me $8000 I was a lot more interested in it!!!!

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[Guest guest]

Superman capes LOL

It takes so little to please our men sometimes doesn't it?

[Guest guest]

Pam is right in that you should be limited in the number of consecutive

cycles you take clomid without a break. I have read 4-6 cycles are the

limit, but then with a break of a few months you can go back on it for

another round. I was scheduled to take it myself to help regulate hormone

levels, but did not get the chance. I have heard a lot of success stories

with clomid, especially monitored treatment, so hopefully it will do the

trick!

[Guest guest]

scroll - ttc

Tara -

I'm sorry, I felt the same way last month. It is amazing though how fast the

time between AFs flies. I am already expecting her again tomorrow. When I

was late last month I took the hpt and it was negative but the doctor did a

blood test anyway because i had a false negative before. Have you had a

false negative?

It is so hard especially this month with the holidays. Everyone is so cheery

and festive and all I can think about is getting my period. Well, hopefully

Santa will bring us all an extra special surprise this year.

Take care -

[Guest guest]

,

scroll

ttc

No I haven't had a false positive before. But I've never been late either.

So if I'm late and still no sign of AF, even with another negative test

I'll still go for the blood test. Keep your fingers crossed.

Tara

Re: No Subject

scroll - ttc

Tara -

I'm sorry, I felt the same way last month. It is amazing though how fast

the

time between AFs flies. I am already expecting her again tomorrow. When I

was late last month I took the hpt and it was negative but the doctor did a

blood test anyway because i had a false negative before. Have you had a

false negative?

It is so hard especially this month with the holidays. Everyone is so

cheery

and festive and all I can think about is getting my period. Well,

hopefully

Santa will bring us all an extra special surprise this year.

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Sonja:

If the PMS thing were merely a state of mind, then we could " psych "

ourselves into dealing with it in a different way. It is biological though,

not mental. Our reactions and feelings are the result of chemical

(hormonal) changes in our body. Some people report being able to deal with

it better by changes in diet, but even that suggests a chemical reaction

between the sugars/caffeine/etc in foods and our hormone levels in the

bloodstream. I try hard to remind myself of the hormones raging, and I

remind the dh of them as well, but sometimes all you can do is ride out the

storm.

Mine make me very emotional - I cry for the stupidest things, sometimes for

no reason at all. I am irritable to a degree also, but it is the weepy

thing that drives me nuts.

take special care sweetie,

[Guest guest]

,

The diet thing does work sometimes though. I was told to stay off dairy

from 3 days before AF till she leaves, and the times that I have done

this, I did feel much better, but I am a milk addict, so doing that

every month is practically impossible for me. As a child I was allergic

to dairy, so when I could eventually start drinking proper milk (as

opposed to the horrible vegetable stuff I was used to) I went bananas!

(I was about 14) LOL.

anyways,thanks.

sonja

Re: No Subject

Sonja:

If the PMS thing were merely a state of mind, then we could " psych "

ourselves into dealing with it in a different way. It is biological

though,

not mental. Our reactions and feelings are the result of chemical

(hormonal) changes in our body. Some people report being able to deal

with

it better by changes in diet, but even that suggests a chemical reaction

between the sugars/caffeine/etc in foods and our hormone levels in the

bloodstream. I try hard to remind myself of the hormones raging, and I

remind the dh of them as well, but sometimes all you can do is ride out

the

storm.

Mine make me very emotional - I cry for the stupidest things, sometimes

for

no reason at all. I am irritable to a degree also, but it is the weepy

thing that drives me nuts.

take special care sweetie,

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Tara,

so how are you doing? AF still staying away? The pms symptoms are gone

this morning,and AF is still not here, so who knows? I am still waiting

it out till day 36 though, which would be next Friday.

take care

sonja

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O.k. so I don't know what is going on , but I think that AF will show up

within the next day or so, as I have suddenly hit that 'I hate

everybody' stage where everything and anyone seems to be against me

feeling. You know what I mean? Don't know why, but this always happens

to me shortly before she shows.I just get really irritable and

frustrated and feel really fat and all that pms stuff.

What I find strange about the female body, is how can you feel all these

things,know it is only hormonal, but still not be able to change the way

you feel.I say to myself " sonja, this is pms, don't take things so

seriously " but I still do,and everything still feels 10 times more

drastic than what they really are.

Anyone else have this, or is it just me?

And we call men weird.....

have a good evening girls

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Sonja:

I am a milk addict too, so I would have a hard time with that as well. One

of the things I heard was to stay away from refined sugar, chocolate, and

caffeine during this time as well, but that is when I would get the worst

cravings for these very things, so it was so hard.

[Guest guest]

Nora,

I am sorry that things are still not going good. Please know that you can

talk to us at any time, okay? We all go through this with our significant

others, and it is not easy to deal with, especially with everything else that

we are going through...

Take care,

Krista

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Hi Ladies,

I am having such a terrible day. I am so upset. The dh and I have been

having problems for months. It just seems to get worse. I think I am going

to leave and never look back. I want you all to know that I love each and

everyone of you very much and will miss you all if this comes to pass. Take

care

Nora

[Guest guest]

Nora:

I really don't know what your situation is, and I hate to oversimplify

things, but have you and your dh considered any type of counseling or

intervention to help improve your relationship/marriage? Even if he won't

go, it might help you feel better just to talk to someone so you can make

decisions rationally.

Please know that we are ALL here for you, and that I am praying for you and

your family

[Guest guest]

,

I am always open to suggestions. There are just so many things that keep us

together. Not the things that should keep us together but other things.

I have wrote him letters before expressing my feelings and how I feel like a

nobody in his life. All he says is " Nora you know I always put you first " .

Which is just a lie. He stays on the telephone or visits with his friends.

He comes in the house after work long enough to eat dinner and then he is

gone. He comes in right at bedtime tired. Then he wants something to do

with me long enough to satisfy himself and then he goes to sleep. Sometimes

he doesn't even kiss me when we make love. I just feel so rejected and so

unwanted. I just wish things were different. I am sorry to be dumping my

problems off on you guys. I hope that you all have a great day.

Nora

Re: No Subject

>Nora - I hate to be intrusive but I'd like to help if I can...with ,

>talking never worked, because he would cut in before i finished, I woudl

get

>angry....writing things down when I am feeling them and letting him read

was

>much more effective before we came to realize and accept that we both have

>different communication styles...I like to talk about a problem unitl it is

>solved. doesn't let things stree him out - he waits for a solution

to

>come. So, as you can imagine we both had to compromise a lot.

>

>I don't think anyone in the group knows that I was married before .

For

>a whole 4 months (too long) and I can honestly say they day I made the

>decision to leave a huge weight was lifted from my shoulders. I had to be

>selfish and think of myself, my feelings and what I wanted from life and a

>relationship. I have never looked back - and I met and fell in love with

> 2 weeks later, and we were married 6 months after that.

>

>I guess I just wanted to give you two opinions from someone whose

expereinced

>it all! Tell me to shut up if I am over stepping my bounds.

>

>Thinking of you,

>

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Nora,

Sorry sweetie, it really sounds like you are having a terrible time. I

hope you can work things out, but if you can't then we will be here for

you to help through the rough spots.

take care, and remember that we care about you, and you aren't alone.

(((((hug)))))

sonja

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Hi Ladies,

I am having such a terrible day. I am so upset. The dh and I have been

having problems for months. It just seems to get worse. I think I am

going

to leave and never look back. I want you all to know that I love each

and

everyone of you very much and will miss you all if this comes to pass.

Take

care

Nora

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Nora,

well, good luck sweetie,and please remember that we are all here for

you, all of the time, if you need us.

I hope things get sorted out.

take care'

sonja

No Subject

>

>

>Hi Ladies,

>

>I am having such a terrible day. I am so upset. The dh and I have

been

>having problems for months. It just seems to get worse. I think I am

>going

>to leave and never look back. I want you all to know that I love each

>and

>everyone of you very much and will miss you all if this comes to pass.

>Take

>care

>

>Nora

>

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Sonja,

Thank you very much. Everyone has been so helpful. I love you guys!!!

Nora

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>>

>>

>>Hi Ladies,

>>

>>I am having such a terrible day. I am so upset. The dh and I have

>been

>>having problems for months. It just seems to get worse. I think I am

>>going

>>to leave and never look back. I want you all to know that I love each

>>and

>>everyone of you very much and will miss you all if this comes to pass.

>>Take

>>care

>>

>>Nora

>>

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Nora,

I'm lousy at giving advice but wanted to say that said it perfect.

I hope you can work out something no matter what it is. Please know that,

even though it has been said many times, we are all here for you no matter

what you want to talk about. I consider everyone here my extended family and

you're a part of that so here's one more shoulder to lean on.

Thinking of you,

L