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Hi everyone... please forgive me if these questions seem repetitive or

simple, but we're new to all this and keep getting more and more info to

digest (I promise, this won't be the last of the questions from me!). We

spoke with a friend of our who has a profoundly deaf child and was telling

us some horror stories about costs for insuring hearing aids against

loss/theft/etc. She told us it's like $500 /year for that... times 2 kids.

Does that sound like the right figure?

Also, ear molds. how often can we expect to have new molds made for the

kids (5 year old and 16 month old) and how much, ballpark of course, are we

talking about there?

And lastly, this friend of ours was talking about the various materials

that are used for part of the aids that goes in the ear. Do they vary? Is

one better than another? She kept talking about a " softer " material,

moisture resistant, etc.

--- end of quote ---

HI Marc - when your child first gets his/her hearing aids, they have at least a

one year warranty (the Siemans aids actually have a two year) so you don't need

to even think about insurance for that period of time. There are lots of

options after that. There are a couple of companies - ESCO and Midwest - that

are in the hearing aid insurance business. For programmable aids, it costs

around $200 a set for insurance. We have insurance for both our boys' hearing

aids from the vendors (in our case, Siemans and Phonak) for them. It covers

repairs as well as loss.

Ear molds - my kids have had to have ear molds made as much as every three

months and one time, Tom went for almost a year on one set. It depends on their

growth....

Yes, there are different materials for ear molds. I think there's something in

Kay's site (of course!) that talks about this. We switched to the CFA4 molds

for Tommy and they have helped with higher frequencies somewhat. Others are

more " up " on this.

Don't apologize for asking questions - we've all been there!

Take care

Barbara

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--- You wrote:

<< Our ear molds are $30 each and considering how young and continuously

growing your kids are, i would expect at least 2-3 a year. >>

Jake gets special CFA molds that are roughly $40 each. He is six and has had

the same mold since about Feb. of 1998. When he was smaller we got them

around 3-5 times a year as he grew so FAST! Just remember when you do get a

pair and think they aren't fitting right....all the companies we dealt with

remade them without charge within 90 days(I think) if the audi could buff

them and make them fit better.

--- end of quote ---

Wow - our earmolds are $50 each! Amazing the difference in prices around the

country!

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$30-50? I am *so* jealous. We pay $85 at Stanford. We're also paying over $2

a gallon for gas. California isn't always everything it's cracked up to be.

Sheri

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We have Ashleigh's hearing aids insured through our homeowner's (State Farm)

insurance. It is on a separate policy all by itself, it is on a fire policy,

but it is a separate rider. The cost is $8 per month for REPLACEMENT cost!

We had to use the policy in October when the aids were lost. The original

purchase price was around $2400, replacement was over $3,000! We received

the full replacement cost!!

Definitely worth it!!!!!

karin

Re: Digest Number 454

> From: Barbara.T.Mellert@...

>

> --- You wrote:

> Hi everyone... please forgive me if these questions seem repetitive or

> simple, but we're new to all this and keep getting more and more info to

> digest (I promise, this won't be the last of the questions from me!). We

> spoke with a friend of our who has a profoundly deaf child and was telling

> us some horror stories about costs for insuring hearing aids against

> loss/theft/etc. She told us it's like $500 /year for that... times 2 kids.

> Does that sound like the right figure?

>

> Also, ear molds. how often can we expect to have new molds made for the

> kids (5 year old and 16 month old) and how much, ballpark of course, are

we

> talking about there?

>

> And lastly, this friend of ours was talking about the various materials

> that are used for part of the aids that goes in the ear. Do they vary? Is

> one better than another? She kept talking about a " softer " material,

> moisture resistant, etc.

> --- end of quote ---

> HI Marc - when your child first gets his/her hearing aids, they have at

least a

> one year warranty (the Siemans aids actually have a two year) so you don't

need

> to even think about insurance for that period of time. There are lots of

> options after that. There are a couple of companies - ESCO and Midwest -

that

> are in the hearing aid insurance business. For programmable aids, it

costs

> around $200 a set for insurance. We have insurance for both our boys'

hearing

> aids from the vendors (in our case, Siemans and Phonak) for them. It

covers

> repairs as well as loss.

>

> Ear molds - my kids have had to have ear molds made as much as every three

> months and one time, Tom went for almost a year on one set. It depends on

their

> growth....

>

> Yes, there are different materials for ear molds. I think there's

something in

> Kay's site (of course!) that talks about this. We switched to the CFA4

molds

> for Tommy and they have helped with higher frequencies somewhat. Others

are

> more " up " on this.

>

> Don't apologize for asking questions - we've all been there!

>

> Take care

> Barbara

>

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Wow Sheri, glad we dont live in Cali anymore. We're

paying $56 and $1.69 for gas in CT.

J.

--- sbyrne1281@... wrote:

> $30-50? I am *so* jealous. We pay $85 at Stanford.

> We're also paying over $2 a gallon for gas.

> California isn't always everything it's cracked up

> to be.

>

> Sheri

>

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Over $2.00 is for the very premium. And today, with the windows open to let

the breeze in, the sun shining in my windows, 20 minutes from the beach and

fresh strawberries waiting for us at the Farmer's Market - I love Calif. Gas

prices seemed to be higher in No Cal than So Cal...was up there last

weekend.

>From: sbyrne1281@...

>Reply-To: Listen-Uponelist

>To: Listen-Uponelist

>Subject: Re: Digest Number 454

>Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:28:01 EST

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>$30-50? I am *so* jealous. We pay $85 at Stanford. We're also paying

>over $2 a gallon for gas. California isn't always everything it's cracked

>up to be.

>

>Sheri

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I loved Groton the one time I went there. I was right by one of the SSNs by

the Thames River...the first time I saw a sub floating by someone's office

window! I spent the first evening at Fox Woods, and the second at Mystic

and stayed at a great Bed and Breakfast with a round barn. Was up in

Monterey last weekend and gone all this week for my work; and the chowder up

there was good every place we went. The artichokes were four for $5.00...I

thought a little high.

You sound like you're doing well.

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Hi ,

I had to laugh when I read your posting because it seems the more I read here

the more questions I have also. I thought I was doing everything I could for

, but as I learn more I find I am rethinking some of the things I had

taken for granted.

An example of this would be your question on ENT visits...we also just see

hem when there is a medical problem, which is ahrdly ever. However, he is

sent all of hearing evaluations so that he is always up to date. Now I

am wondering if I should call him regarding tympanagrams - although

they usually " peak " he always has negative pressure. I don't know if this

has any effect on his hearing. Does anybody alse have this issue?

About dry aids...we just purchased the electrical kind and it is terrific.

We still have the jar for trips, but we use the one or the other every night.

We were told that it can only do good things, including adding to the life

of the hearind aid.

Hope you get the answers you are looking for

Debbie

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In a message dated 3/18/2000 8:11:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,

CMSteph98@... writes:

<< The pediatrician could not

get it out so she just gave me a prescription for cortisporin(sp). >>

Cortisporin is what they gave Jake for Otitis Externa. The ear canal was red

about a month after he was implanted and they did it for safe measure.

I'm a nurse so I know that Cortisporin is a topical steroid, cortisone and

two antibiotics all together in one solution. I don't see how that can help

with ear wax. Here is info about it.

http://www.realage.com/connect/healthadvisor/medication/ma/nepohoti.htm

Elaine B

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Negative pressure will cause (or increase) conductive loss. The negative

pressure causes the drum to be " sucked in " (I think the technical term is

retracted) and the drum cannot vibrate as well.

Has anyone ever suggested tubes?

Sheri

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Hi All .....

I was wondering if anyone on the list's child was involved in

sensory integration? And if so could you share any information about what it

is and why they are using it.

Thank you,

Ann

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HI!

I just wanted to share what a wonderful ENT we have. Granted, many people

may not have the use for one like we do, but he has been a blessing for us.

He has put two sets of tubes in Meghan's ears. She also has a fluctuating

loss so she is monitored closely by the audiologist and himself. The really

work together as a team for us. Meghan had a hearing drop last summer and we

saw the ENT and audiologist weekly while she was on steroids and tapering

off. We fax or mail info to each other about medicines, treatments and other

issues. He will even call us at home (from his home) if there is something

we feel is important to discuss. It's so nice to have someone we trust as an

expert to be available to us when we need him. I know it sounds like I must

be from a small town where it might be easier to get more personal service,

but I'm talking about Children's Hospital in Philadelphia. Our ENT is also a

part of the cochlear implant team. We are not at that point, but if we ever

are, I'll be glad to of had a history with the doctor.

Pam

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Ann,

I used to work at a school for special ed. At the school, the occupational

therapists (OTs) would use sensory integration with many of the PDD or

autistic students. Some of the therapy consisted of wearing weighted vests,

brushing techniques, pressure massages, bouncing, rolling.... Different

things worked for different students. The idea was to help organize, or

integrate their senses. This helped them to relax and/or focus better.

Sometimes if a student was upset, they could go to the sensory integration

room, but mostly they had scheduled sessions (besides having OT). These

types of activities are usually done with younger children- preschool and

elementary age. By middle school, if there are still sensory integration

issues, an OT and teacher would try and look for more " socially acceptable "

methods. In other words, finding something maybe the child could do himself

that was as intrusive to a class as brushing, for this may embarrass an

adolescent.

Pam

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In a message dated 3/18/00 12:36:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, AVHear2@...

writes:

> Hi All .....

>

> I was wondering if anyone on the list's child was involved in

> sensory integration? And if so could you share any information about what

> it

> is and why they are using it.

> Thank you,

> Ann

>

Hi, , my son has sensory integration disorder. With him, he has a low

functioning proprioceptive system and needs lots of stimulation to get

feedback (for example, he spent almost an hour running down the length of the

house this morning and then veering off to slam himself into the sofa!)

after an activity like that, he relaxes and can sit still without too much

effort. His vestibular system also needs a lot of stimulation and he is

tactile defensive and has some oral motor issues with food also. His sense

of smell is hyper active and his sense of taste is hypo active!

He appears to have an extremely, almost dangerously high pain threshold.

When he broke his arm this past summer, he only cried for about 5 mins and

then at intervals over the next two days. He also has trouble discriminating

hot from cold! Hate that. At bedtime a routine of bath, rubdown with

lotion, wilbarger brushing method and joint compression and then deep

pressure massage and he goes out like a light for HOURS. If I miss even one

component, he can take up to two hours of tossing and turning before he

settles. We started him with hippotherapy last week, for those not in the

know, it is physical therapy on horseback! I thought it would be so much

more fun for him, what I wasn't prepared for was how effective it was for his

needs. He has low muscle tone in his trunk - VERY low - and he needed to use

these muscles to balance himself. He rode around a little trail and had to

throw balls in baskets, rings on poles, carry items from a to b and back, all

while maintaining his balance. His vestibular system is off too, but we are

not 100% sure if it is related to his ears or to his proprioceptive system.

I remember after his CI surgery, he was very wobbly for about 3 days, even

more so than usual.

If you want to know A LOT about sensory integration, there is a very good

book called Sensory Integration and the Child. I think you can get it

through Kay's website. It is not phenomenally expensive, I think I paid $11

or $12 for it and i found it very informative, written in plain english, not

too many fancy medical terms and easy to understand.

After my son has a SI therapy or the hippotherapy, he is much more relaxed

and more able to sit and attend. He is not ADD, but he moves constantly in

the search for feedback for his proprioceptive system.

If you need more info, let me know, hope the girls are doing well, Orla

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My son has a sensorineural loss and this past Mon was

the first time hes been to an ENT in over a year. We

just wanted a CT scan done to rule things out. After

this I'm sure we wont see the ENT again for a while.

We use the dri aid container every night. We live in

CT and it gets pretty humid in the summers but we

continue putting it in the container throughout the

year because of all the natural body oils that may get

on it and just moisture that may build up from

everyday activities.

J.

--- CMSteph98@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 3/17/00 7:15:51 PM,

> Listen-Uponelist writes:

>

> << When I first joined, I learned so much stuff.

> From how

>

> earwax cause problems with hearing aids, and that

> you have to dry the

>

> hearing aids out at night in little containers, >>

>

> Hi,

>

> 's right ear as wax that needs to come out.

> The pediatrician could not

> get it out so she just gave me a prescription for

> cortisporin(sp). If anyone

> has used this, does it work fast. Is there a over

> the counter product that

> will work well? Is it better to use it during the

> day or at night when her

> aids are not in. Also, those of you whose children

> have a sensorineural

> loss, do you still go to an ENT regularly, I haven't

> found a need, but wasn't

> sure if I needed to find one.

>

> One more, Those dry aid containers. Are they to be

> used every night? I know

> in the summer I use them more, but not daily.

> Thanks.

>

>

>

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Thats one of the few things I miss in CA, the little

farmer stands of fruit and stuff you could get by the

ocean. I used to go to Half Moon Bay up near San Fran

and get my hubby artichokes, he loves those! But at

least here I get go to the shacks and get my clams!

Yummy!! :)

--- " E. Mapa " wrote:

> Over $2.00 is for the very premium. And today, with

> the windows open to let

> the breeze in, the sun shining in my windows, 20

> minutes from the beach and

> fresh strawberries waiting for us at the Farmer's

> Market - I love Calif. Gas

> prices seemed to be higher in No Cal than So

> Cal...was up there last

> weekend.

>

>

> >From: sbyrne1281@...

> >Reply-To: Listen-Uponelist

> >To: Listen-Uponelist

> >Subject: Re: Digest Number 454

> >Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 21:28:01 EST

> >

> >$30-50? I am *so* jealous. We pay $85 at

> Stanford. We're also paying

> >over $2 a gallon for gas. California isn't always

> everything it's cracked

> >up to be.

> >

> >Sheri

>

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hMMM, We only had to get earwax removed once and the pediatric nurse dredged

the ears with water using a waterpick. That was all; she has a physical on

Tuesday so we'll see if anything else has come up.

mary

>

>Reply-To: Listen-Uponelist

>To: <Listen-Uponelist>

>Subject: Re: Digest Number 454

>Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:02:00 -0800

>

>Ashleigh has had an awful time with ear wax. We tried the cortisporin, but

>it foamed and she complained it hurt. She ended up being put under general

>anesthetic for the ENT to remove it. Although we didn't like that idea

>there

>was no alternative. And, she came out of it worse than the tube insertions!

>Her equilibrium was off and ended up puking for 12 hours straight!

>Since that one surgical removal though, no problems at all....

>karin

> Re: Digest Number 454

>

>

> > From: CMSteph98@...

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 3/17/00 7:15:51 PM, Listen-Uponelist writes:

> >

> > << When I first joined, I learned so much stuff. From how

> >

> > earwax cause problems with hearing aids, and that you have to dry the

> >

> > hearing aids out at night in little containers, >>

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > 's right ear as wax that needs to come out. The pediatrician

>could

>not

> > get it out so she just gave me a prescription for cortisporin(sp). If

>anyone

> > has used this, does it work fast. Is there a over the counter product

>that

> > will work well? Is it better to use it during the day or at night when

>her

> > aids are not in. Also, those of you whose children have a sensorineural

> > loss, do you still go to an ENT regularly, I haven't found a need, but

>wasn't

> > sure if I needed to find one.

> >

> > One more, Those dry aid containers. Are they to be used every night? I

>know

> > in the summer I use them more, but not daily. Thanks.

> >

> >

> >

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The subs sure are something arent they? I've gone up

to Foxwoods a few times but I'm too cheap to gamble :)

Unfortunately there was a big fire in downtown Mystic

2 weeks ago and it wiped out 8 businesses. It took

quite a bit of time to put it out, the fire just moved

too quickly. We may be in Southern CA for a week or so

this summer, not sure as how thats going to work out

at the moment, but if we do make it out maybe we can

meet up somewhere? We're just enjoying things one day

at a time, you know? :) But we love Groton also, and

plan on settling out here. Mainly because we're just

smitten with the area but 's services are

great here and we love the Groton school system,

they've been really good to us.

--- " E. Mapa " wrote:

> I loved Groton the one time I went there. I was

> right by one of the SSNs by

> the Thames River...the first time I saw a sub

> floating by someone's office

> window! I spent the first evening at Fox Woods, and

> the second at Mystic

> and stayed at a great Bed and Breakfast with a round

> barn. Was up in

> Monterey last weekend and gone all this week for my

> work; and the chowder up

> there was good every place we went. The artichokes

> were four for $5.00...I

> thought a little high.

>

> You sound like you're doing well.

>

>

>

>

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Eleanor,

When were you here? Its definitely gorgeous here. I

lived in Massachusetts until the age of 12 and still

have most family there so I've always considered New

England my home. This is definitely the best place

we've ever been stationed!

J.

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> and ,

>

> Groton is wonderful. I still miss the area.

> Would love to move back there.

>

> Eleanor

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Ashleigh has had an awful time with ear wax. We tried the cortisporin, but

it foamed and she complained it hurt. She ended up being put under general

anesthetic for the ENT to remove it. Although we didn't like that idea there

was no alternative. And, she came out of it worse than the tube insertions!

Her equilibrium was off and ended up puking for 12 hours straight!

Since that one surgical removal though, no problems at all....

karin

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> From: CMSteph98@...

>

>

> In a message dated 3/17/00 7:15:51 PM, Listen-Uponelist writes:

>

> << When I first joined, I learned so much stuff. From how

>

> earwax cause problems with hearing aids, and that you have to dry the

>

> hearing aids out at night in little containers, >>

>

> Hi,

>

> 's right ear as wax that needs to come out. The pediatrician could

not

> get it out so she just gave me a prescription for cortisporin(sp). If

anyone

> has used this, does it work fast. Is there a over the counter product

that

> will work well? Is it better to use it during the day or at night when

her

> aids are not in. Also, those of you whose children have a sensorineural

> loss, do you still go to an ENT regularly, I haven't found a need, but

wasn't

> sure if I needed to find one.

>

> One more, Those dry aid containers. Are they to be used every night? I

know

> in the summer I use them more, but not daily. Thanks.

>

>

>

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Hi,

Just my .02 worth.. I pay $22.. for 2 earmolds and I pay $1.47 for gas in

Utah.. My husband who is a truck driver seen gas advertised in Nevada for 2.02

unlead, 2.22

midgrade and 2.42 premium.... Tahna

lisa johansen wrote:

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>

> Wow Sheri, glad we dont live in Cali anymore. We're

> paying $56 and $1.69 for gas in CT.

>

> J.

>

> --- sbyrne1281@... wrote:

> > $30-50? I am *so* jealous. We pay $85 at Stanford.

> > We're also paying over $2 a gallon for gas.

> > California isn't always everything it's cracked up

> > to be.

> >

> > Sheri

> >

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At 07:31 AM 3/18/00 -0600, you wrote:

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>

> > 's right ear as wax that needs to come out. The pediatrician could

>not

> > get it out so she just gave me a prescription for cortisporin(sp). If

>anyone

> > has used this, does it work fast. Is there a over the counter product

>that

> > will work well?

>

>I've never heard of that prescribed for ear wax before. It's an antibiotic

>used to treat external ear infections. We just use the stuff you can

>purchase at the drug store. When we use it with JD, we do it just before

>bathtime. If the earwax buildup is really bad and it's really hard, before

>bedtime.

One thing we have used sparingly, but is particularly effective at the

removal of hardened built-up ear wax, is Colace. It is a stool softener,

but it will dissolve ear wax. I wouldn't use it on a regular basis, just

when the OTC ear wax stuff isn't strong enough.

Chris

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Orla,

Thank you so much for you response to my question about sensory

integration. I will tell you that this was brought up because my daughter

had a temper tantrum because she wanted to skip back to class and the teacher

wanted her to walk.....hmmmm....sounds like a typical 6 year old stubborn

thing to me...but I will talk to the OT and see what they have to say.

Thanks again... Ann

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