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When I eat even the tinyest bit of refined sugar, my ankles, hands and face

swell. But I do miss it so....

Peggy

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you guys please forgive me, i'am new to computers and i don't know how to

cut and paste. so pppplease scroll down for my post.

again,sorry

bev maloy

BIGRD@...

sugar allergy

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>hi,

>i'm new to this list. has anyone ever heard of swelling after ingesting

>refined sugar products? i get edema(fluid weight gain)itching ears mainly

at

>night. if i stay off the sugar for a few days all of that excess fluid is

>excreted. some time ago i went to this nutritionist who suggested that i

>stop eating refined sugar. i should also add that my face was so puffy that

>i looked like i was on steroids.

>

>thanks,

>bev maloy

>BIGRD@...

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Bev. yes i get swelling of my face & hands , ears ring, itch & also ache.

that is from refined sugar. you can also have nasal itch. Mogdrmom

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Bev & : After numerous Hospital visits with various symptons, to

name a few, Head pressure unbearable, Throat swelling, Heart Palpitations,

High Blood pressure. What i have done in the past is to take Nystatin,

Diflucan & Nizoral. with the diet this got me started. I could not find a

Dr. who knew what was wrong. my allergist knew a little, but did no testing,

I had Reflux, took meds for that, a Heart pill, had Carpal Tunnel, Bone

spurs on both heels, I use to sweat bad, for 5 yrs. was treated for Sinus

infection with antibiotics from Sept-April, one right after another, ear

infections, I could feel the Candida leave my back every day getting a little

lower by each day, i felt it in my chest ( that's when it went thru my heart

to cause me to take heart pills) I ended up with Heli-bactor pylori , & they

wanted to put me on another antibiotic (which i did not i used Herbs & got

rid of it) this test was Esophagogastroduodenscopy. It could be the same

thing you have, I'm not sure, I have had 7 Die=offs. am just finishing the

last one in my shoulders. I had some Parasites (which everyone does) I was

taking Pills to lower my Chlosterol, these are numerous things i have been

thru. TODAY!!! I am over all of this, BUT! just started Chlosterol pills

again. this & Herbs is all i take, I had Candida Tropicalis (not Albicans)

Tropicalis is in the blood stream. it is out now, but i still do have it. I

had to do all my research myself & forward it to my Drs. I told them what

blood test I wanted, My Drs. words were & still are you had some weird things

going on in your body. She knows i am doing Herbs & talking to a Dr. over

the internet. Her remarks is whatever he's doing it is working! I do a

rotation every 4 days. Candida can change its form every 17 days (Tropicalis)

it is very smart, if you take the same meds. daily it knows it, you have to

trick it by changing every 4 days. it works. Dusan will you put his # here

again. Print all of the information out & read it, you'll learn more than i

could ever write. i have been doing his rotation for 1 yr. now. It is so

complicated, i don't have enough room here. read his papers & if you have any

question just ask.

Mogdrmom The Blood Test is Systemic Candidiasis

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In a message dated 5/13/99 6:21:31 PM Central Daylight Time,

BIGRD@... writes:

<< speaking of sweat, everytime i do consume refined sugar, i sweat like

crazy,

and mostly at night. is that strange or what? now i have another question,

is there a natural/homeopathic route to die off candida?

thanks,

bev maloy:)

BIGRD@... >>

Are you menopausal? Seems that is a problem with some women.

[Guest guest]

now that i heard from two people i don't feel crazy. so when you have

consumed the refined sugar, how do you cleanse yourself and its effects?

bev maloy

BIGRD@...

Re: Fw: failure notice

>From: " Peggy DesNoyers " <peggyd7123@...>

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>When I eat even the tinyest bit of refined sugar, my ankles, hands and face

>swell. But I do miss it so....

>Peggy

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speaking of sweat, everytime i do consume refined sugar, i sweat like crazy,

and mostly at night. is that strange or what? now i have another question,

is there a natural/homeopathic route to die off candida?

thanks,

bev maloy:)

BIGRD@...

Re: Fw: failure notice

>From: MogdrMom@...

>

>Bev & : After numerous Hospital visits with various symptons, to

>name a few, Head pressure unbearable, Throat swelling, Heart Palpitations,

>High Blood pressure. What i have done in the past is to take Nystatin,

>Diflucan & Nizoral. with the diet this got me started. I could not find a

>Dr. who knew what was wrong. my allergist knew a little, but did no

testing,

>I had Reflux, took meds for that, a Heart pill, had Carpal Tunnel, Bone

>spurs on both heels, I use to sweat bad, for 5 yrs. was treated for Sinus

>infection with antibiotics from Sept-April, one right after another, ear

>infections, I could feel the Candida leave my back every day getting a

little

>lower by each day, i felt it in my chest ( that's when it went thru my

heart

>to cause me to take heart pills) I ended up with Heli-bactor pylori , &

they

>wanted to put me on another antibiotic (which i did not i used Herbs & got

>rid of it) this test was Esophagogastroduodenscopy. It could be the same

>thing you have, I'm not sure, I have had 7 Die=offs. am just finishing the

>last one in my shoulders. I had some Parasites (which everyone does) I was

>taking Pills to lower my Chlosterol, these are numerous things i have been

>thru. TODAY!!! I am over all of this, BUT! just started Chlosterol pills

>again. this & Herbs is all i take, I had Candida Tropicalis (not Albicans)

>Tropicalis is in the blood stream. it is out now, but i still do have it.

I

>had to do all my research myself & forward it to my Drs. I told them what

>blood test I wanted, My Drs. words were & still are you had some weird

things

>going on in your body. She knows i am doing Herbs & talking to a Dr. over

>the internet. Her remarks is whatever he's doing it is working! I do a

>rotation every 4 days. Candida can change its form every 17 days

(Tropicalis)

>it is very smart, if you take the same meds. daily it knows it, you have to

>trick it by changing every 4 days. it works. Dusan will you put his #

here

>again. Print all of the information out & read it, you'll learn more than

i

>could ever write. i have been doing his rotation for 1 yr. now. It is so

>complicated, i don't have enough room here. read his papers & if you have

any

>question just ask.

>Mogdrmom The Blood Test is Systemic Candidiasis

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At 19:17 13.05.99 -0500, you wrote:

>

>is there a natural/homeopathic route to die off candida?

Yes, there is of course.

Dusan

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>>is there a natural/homeopathic route to die off candida?

Program for curing candidiasis have many steps

http://home.sol.no/~dusan/candida.html

but first step is bowel cleanse.

There are many different ways and recipes to cleanse bowel:

http://home.sol.no/~dusan/bowel cleanse.html

I have choosen to intraduce you first with " Ulimate fast " because this one

is very easy to undertake, it is very efficient, and it is not too

expensive. The best is that you can do it in your home.

Ozon therapy (another way of cleansing bowel) can be more expensive and

complicated, but is as good. But, you will have to purchace Ozone Generator

and learn how to use it. That is far more complicated and far more expensive.

Dr. Schulze Bowel cleanse program is also very good and very cheap.

Here is an excerpt from Chapter 5 from the the book " Prostate health in 90

days "

It is a book everyone should read.

http://www.prostate90.com/program/c5ultimate_fast.html

It is about bowel cleanse called " Ultimate fast " .

Thousands of people have undertaken this procedure in order to remove

parasites, mucus, feces .. that is laying inside bowel, feeding parasites

and candida.

Approximately 50 % of all the people with candida have intestinal parasitic

worms.

It is very likely that other 50% have microscopic intestinal parasites.

Iportant part of every bowel cleanse are parasite killing remedies.

Candidiasis always starts first inside bowel. (Antibiotics, aspartame,

MSG, Pesticides, sugar, parasites, amalgam (mercury), chlorine, copper,

cadmium,... are known to cause candidiasis, by killing beneficiel

intestinal bacteria (probiotics): Lactobacilus acidophilus, Bifidus

bifidum, Lactobacilus Bulgaricus, S. thermophilus and Lactobacilus

Salivarius.

Beneficial intestinal flora are absolutely essential for proper digestion

and over-all health.

It is those bacteria that keeps candida under control, and in balance. Once

those bactera loos the war, it takes time to build healthy bowel.

No1 bacterial enemy are Antibiotics, antibiotics used as a part of therapy,

including antibiotics that are added to the animal food in order to

increase growth of the animals, and to prevent diseases which find its way

to meat, eggs, and milk and milk products, and antibiotics that are sprayed

over vegetables, fruits and beans in oreder to keep them longer fresh.

Include also chlore added to the water in order to kill bactera, which is ,

" accidently " also killing beneficiel bacteria inside your bowel.

Now, you clearly understand why person suffering from candidiasis should

avoid eating non-organic foods, and avoid drinking chlorinated water.

Larry did not write much about this in his book, so I felt need to explain

it in more deatails.

One more thing. This book have been written with Prostate Cancer in mind,

not with candidiasis in mind.

For candidasis, I would minimize amounth of sweeteners used for limonade,

and replace it with stevia, or rice malt, wich is far mor better then Black

Strup Molases (which contain succrose (95% of dry matter) usual sugar).

Do not be surprised to find a lot of talking about Prostate Cancer :-)

C H A P T E R 5

CLEANSING THE COLON AND BODY

WITH THE ULTIMATE FAST

from " Prostate Health in 90 Days " by Larry Clapp

Fasting is a time-honored approach to physical health and spiritual

enlightenment. Although it has been utilized for ages (primarily by

spiritual seekers), many people are afraid to even think of going hours –

let alone days – without food because they get a headache if they skip just

one meal. Their fears may also be based on stories of people who felt

generally lousy while fasting, and because most Western physicians

discourage the practice.

Other fasts may be draining, but the Ultimate Fast is invigorating, giving

you increased mental and physical energy as it cleanses your body of the

physical and emotional toxins as well as the parasites that have made or

will make you sick. Many alternative medicine practitioners and healers,

more open to new ideas, have seen positive results from fasting. Dr.

Bernard Jensen and others have shown that almost all illnesses can be cured

by fasting and colon cleansing, and I have found that my eight-day Ultimate

Fast is a very quick, comfortable way to " jump-start " any healing regimen.

Fasting is the first step in the Prostate Cancer Cure because it clears out

toxins and parasites while cleansing the colon, the unwitting source of

many diseases. A long tube running between the small intestine and the

rectum, the colon acts as a kind of processor and " extractor " in the body.

About 90% of digestion has already occurred before food, now called chyme,

enters the colon, but important steps remain. For example, bacteria break

down certain types of fiber into sugar (glucose) in the colon, while other

bacteria release critically needed vitamin K, which is absorbed into the body.

Food moves from the stomach into a long, coiled tube called the small

intestine, then into the colon. Also known as the large intestine, the

colon is a tube about five feet long, roughly 2H inches in diameter,

sitting below your stomach like an upside-down " U. " The partially digested

food passes from the small intestine into the first part of the colon,

called the cecum, then up the ascending colon, across the body through the

transverse colon, down the descending colon, through the curves of the

sigmoid colon, and out the rectum. Food, called chyme as it enters the

colon and feces as it exits, is propelled forward by rhythmic contractions

of the colon. (For excellent pictures of clear and blocked colons, and

material that comes out of blocked colons, see Bernard Jensen's Tissue

Cleansing Through Bowel Management.)

While the food we have eaten moves through the colon, any remaining

nutrients are digested. Then the residue is moved along for elimination via

the rectum, ideally leaving nothing behind and damaging nothing along the

way. Unfortunately, in all too many of us the colon acts more like an open

sewer than a sanitary " disassembly line, " becoming a holding place for

garbage and an ideal breeding ground for disease and parasites.

When we eat processed foods that have been stripped of fiber (and many

nutrients), the colon has difficulty moving the chyme along. Processed

foods tend to make for a dry, sticky chyme that does not move well through

the colon. (The muscles wrapped around the colon can easily squeeze down to

push fibrous, bulky chyme along, but have a great deal of difficulty with

fiberless, gooey, sticky chyme.) When chyme sits too long in the colon, it

becomes harder and dryer. If that was all that happened – chyme turning

into hard and dry feces – we would only have to worry about constipation

(from which millions of Americans suffer). But there's much, much more.

After the chyme/feces plasters itself onto the walls of the colon, it

begins to ferment and:

Rots and hardens, becoming a breeding ground for parasites and a storehouse

for toxic chemicals that can eventually poison the body.

Forms a barrier that prevents the colon from interacting with and absorbing

nutrients from chyme.

Restricts movement of the colon walls, making it impossible for the colon

to rhythmically contract in order to speed the chyme along its way. (How

well could you do your job if you were covered with thick sludge?)

Now, with rotting bits of chyme/feces " gunking up " the works, the colon

becomes much less efficient. Even if it's only slightly gunked up, the

colon's ability to absorb the necessary nutrients from the chyme is

hampered. An unfortunate cycle is set in motion: Small amounts of stale,

hardening, and rotting chyme make the colon less efficient. The

less-efficient colon cannot prevent still more chyme/feces from sticking to

its walls, and further damaging the colon. The muscles that normally propel

chyme through the colon and out of the body are less and less able to do

their job, increasing the risk of constipation and a host of other ills.

The specialized cells lining the interior of the colon cannot absorb

nutrients from the chyme. Without these nutrients, the immune system and

other parts of the body weaken, leaving us open to numerous diseases.

Meanwhile, the toxins, parasites, and bacteria that have been growing in

this sludge that lines the colon wall begin to eat into the tissue that

makes up that wall, and eventually they eat their way right through the

colon. Now the bloodstream and tissues surrounding the colon are flooded

with toxic substances, harmful bacteria, and parasites. The body swings

into action, activating the immune system to battle with the bacteria and

parasites, signaling the liver and kidneys to cleanse the toxins, and

instructing the lymph system to clear away both toxins and debris from the

immune system's battle with the poisonous substances.

But the body's defense and cleansing mechanisms are often overwhelmed. They

simply can't keep up with routine cleansing plus the onslaught of poisonous

substances. And the prostate, which lies right next to and touches the

colon, is especially vulnerable. Assaulted by parasites and toxins, it

swells in size and is increasingly vulnerable to disease. This is

particularly true if the surrounding tissues and the lymph system are tight

or blocked, preventing the prostate from flushing out the toxins. At the

same time, the onslaught of toxins upsets the body's pH balance and turns

it more acidic, which is dangerous in and of itself. (See Chapter 3 for

more on pH.)

Our colons would be fairly clean – and few of us would suffer from diseases

that spring from a " dirty " colon – if we ate absolutely healthful diets.

But few of us eat well enough, and few of us are strong enough, to weather

the storm caused by a dirty, parasite-ridden colon. That's why a special

cleansing fast and parasite cleanse are necessary.

PARASITES: THE ENEMY WITHIN

It's estimated that 85 to 95% of adults living in the United States are

unwitting and unwilling hosts to one or more of the 1,000+ species of

parasites. These parasites are physically in us, living off our food and

energy, draining our strength and energy, excreting their own toxins,

weakening our organs and immune systems, and setting the stage for disease.

Parasites that can live in the human body range from 30-foot-long tapeworms

down to microscopic organisms that burrow into body tissue or attach

themselves to individual cells. Some parasites literally eat us, sucking

their nutrition out of our cells or cutting into our body tissue in search

of food. Others satisfy themselves by snatching nutrients away from the

food we've eaten before we have had a chance to use the nutrients

ourselves. (Indeed, some people who crave sugar may be driven to gobble up

all the sugary foods they can because parasites are robbing them of their

sugar.)

And it's not just that the parasites take their nutrition from us, forcing

us to eat for them. The way they get their nutrition can also be quite

damaging. Certain calcium-loving microscopic parasites, for example, burrow

into our joints in order to eat the calcium that lines joints and bones,

causing or setting the stage for arthritis. Other parasites love to eat

proteins in the myelin sheaths that cover and protect our nerves. If these

sheaths are damaged our nerves may not function properly, leading to

various nervous system and other diseases. Whipworms spew out a fluid that

digests colon tissue, turning it into a fluid they can " drink. " Hookworms

nibble away at the intestinal walls, sometimes causing the tissue to bleed

or die.

Though they all start out there, only about 30% of the parasites remain in

the gastrointestinal tract. The rest of these internal " squatters " take up

residence all over the body, including the liver, blood, joints, brain, and

lungs. Wherever the parasites go, they secrete harmful toxins. To the

parasites, these secretions are protective fluids, waste materials, or

lubricants. To us, they are poisons. Some parasites release toxins that hit

us hard and fast: Think about food poisoning or dysentery. Other parasites

leave us battling relatively low but chronic levels of poisons, tying up

the immune system, and wasting vast amounts of body energy in doing so –

energy that could better be spent living a creative, healthy life and

shoring up the immune system to fight off disease.

Almost all of us have parasites because they're so easy to get. They can

enter our bodies when we share food or utensils, have sex, or simply kiss

someone on the cheek, drink polluted water, eat polluted food, shake hands,

touch or allow pets to lick us – even when we inhale dried parasites in the

dust or the air.

And once we have them, they're hard to get rid of. To begin with, we

usually don't know we have them at first – some parasites can remain quiet

for years before causing trouble. Then, when they begin to harm us, we

often don't realize that our ailments are being caused by unwanted

visitors. Relatively few of them cause obvious symptoms that say, " Here I

am. I'm a parasite in your gut. " Instead, our guests produce vague

symptoms: lack of energy, intestinal gas, bloating, irritable bowel

syndrome, constipation, loose stools, aches and pains, itching, sexual

difficulties, rapid heartbeat, lack of appetite, blurred vision, numbness

or tingling in the body, fatigue, allergies, kidney and heart ailments,

weight problems, menstrual difficulties, impotence and other sexual

problems in men, yeast infections, a burning feeling in the stomach or

muscles, slow reflexes, increased appetite, pain in and around the navel,

burning sensations in the stomach, headaches, memory deficits and

forgetfulness, slow thinking, and other common problems. Millions of

Americans who go to their doctors looking for relief from these problems

wind up taking drugs that don't get at the cause – the parasites – but

create new problems of their own.

Giardia lamblia, Entamoeba coli, Endolimax nana, Blastocystis hominis, and

Entamoeba histolytica are common parasites afflicting us today. As more and

more immigrants from poorer countries where parasites are common come to

this country, they bring their " guests " with them. Passing through pets,

children in schools, workers in the food industry, and household employees,

parasites can travel rapidly, finding new homes in unlikely places. In one

case, three orthodox Jewish men, whose religious dietary rules prohibit

eating pork, wound up with pork tapeworms. The Centers for Disease Control

discovered that all three men were infected by a housekeeper from Central

America, where many are infected with the pork worm.

Giardia lamblia is an increasing problem for Americans, partly because we

travel more to infected areas. The parasite can cause fever, chills,

diarrhea, intestinal bloating, and muscle pain. It can also interfere with

appetite and nutrient absorption, further weakening its victims. A tiny

organism called Cryptosporidium got into the water supply in Milwaukee,

Wisconsin, in 1993, causing hundreds of thousands of people to suffer from

diarrhea and other stomach problems. More ominously, Cryptosporidium can be

very dangerous to people whose immune systems are already weakened by

toxins, poor diet, chemotherapy, or other factors. Giardia lamblia and

Cryptosporidium, the two most common waterborne parasites in the United

States, are not destroyed by chlorination.

Finding parasites is difficult for physicians because the very best

laboratory tests are capable of detecting only 50 or so of the 1,000+

species of parasites. This means there's a good chance that whatever we

have will avoid detection. (I know of a woman who actually saw worms in her

feces, yet was told by her doctor that the tests proved she had no parasites.)

And even when we know that there are parasites within us, our doctors can't

do much about them. Our standard medicines are not very effective, and they

often have unpleasant side effects. They'll kill some parasites, but many

times the internal invaders will simply move to another part of the body.

Given that parasites are so difficult to find and dispose of, it's no

wonder they can remain the body for years, even decades.

Fortunately, the Ultimate Fast works rapidly and effectively, beginning to

clear most parasites from the body in the eight days of the fast. However,

it is necessary to continue the whole body cleansing regime for a full 90

days to ensure that all parasites and their eggs/larvae have been cleared

out of the body, and the body is healthy, no longer able to host parasites.

With cancer and other serious disease, heavier doses for longer periods may

be required. Seek an experienced practitioner by calling (888) 803-5333.

HOW THE ULTIMATE FAST WORKS

A clean-walled, parasite-less colon functioning at peak efficiency is the

cornerstone of good health – especially prostate health. (The colon is

adjacent to the prostate, touching one-third of the prostate's surface

area. It's very easy for leaking toxins and parasites to " move " from the

colon to the prostate.) You'll know your colon is healthy if you produce a

regular stool, two to three times a day, that's soft but well-formed, two

inches in diameter, and eighteen inches long. Does yours measure up? If

not, it may be time for action! Fortunately, it's fairly easy to cleanse

even the most " clogged " and parasite-infested colon and set yourself on the

road to optimal health.

Good colon health can begin with the Ultimate Fast, which is a combination

of the Master Cleanser Fast, the Dr. Irons Fast, and the TheraClear

parasite elimination regime.

The Master Cleanser Fast was developed by Stanley Burroughs and has been

used internationally since 1940. It is based on the principle that toxic

foods are responsible for most diseases. Burroughs points out, " Disease,

old age, and death are the result of accumulated poisons and congestions

through the entire body...Lumps and growths are formed all over the body as

storage spots for unusable and accumulated waste products, especially in

the lymphatic glands. These accumulations depress and deteriorate in varied

degrees, causing degeneration and decay. The liver, spleen, colon, stomach,

heart, and our other organs, glands, and cells come in for their share of

accumulations, thus impairing their natural action. " 1

Also known as the lemonade diet, the Master Cleanser Fast has been used for

more than 50 years to easily and elegantly cleanse and rest the colon and

digestive system. It clears out toxins and the resulting congestion that

has built up in the colon and other parts of the body. It purifies the

bloodstream and frees up tremendous amounts of energy within the body

(since the body normally uses 35% or more of its energy to digest food,

which can now be used to release toxins and rejuvenate the body.)

All told, the Master Cleanser Fast allows the digestive system to rest and

repair itself while helping the body to better assimilate nutrients, fight

off disease, and control weight.

The Dr. Irons Fast, the classic colon cleanse and fast utilized by colonic

professionals for more than 50 years, employs a combination of fasting,

colonics, and special supplements to cleanse the colon 2. In its purest

form, the Dr. Irons Fast calls for a seven-day fast complemented by daily,

hour-long home colonic irrigation using a five-gallon bucket and colema

board. Specially selected herbs, bentonite, psyllium, and juices are taken

during the cleansing program.

Although Dr. Irons' program is quite effective, it is simply too harsh,

time-consuming, and difficult for most people. Most people can't carry out

their normal activities while on the fast because they're suffering from

headaches and other unpleasant physical sensations. Many are forced to

confine themselves to bed for several days. Not only are these side effects

a strong deterrent to fasting, they're also counterproductive, for they

weaken the body just when it really needs to be strengthened. That's why I

feel that the Dr. Irons Fast is necessary only in extreme cases. (For more

on the Dr. Irons Fast, see Dr. Bernard Jensen's classic work, Tissue

Cleansing Through Bowel Management3.)

Bentonite is the only product known to remove plaque from the walls of the

intestine and colon. The plaque in your stool will look like egg shells on

the outside of the bentonite " gel. " Bentonite works most effectively when

the colon is empty of food. It grabs the plaque which has been loosened by

the lemon juice and the resting/fasting process. The salt water enema

pushes out the bentonite gel and the plaque and debris that is stuck to it

and in it. The salt water further cleanses the walls as it passes through,

resulting in shiny clean walls.

I have found that the two Dr. Irons products–bentonite and colon cleanse,

or their equivalents–combined with the lemonade and salt water enema, do a

very thorough colon cleanse over eight days, but do not specifically

address parasites. For this, BCN has put together a program based on the

TheraClear herbal anti-parasite formula used synergistically with the

Nature's Pure Body herbal cleanse system. Nature's is formulated to ensure

a whole body and colon cleanse of toxins and to make your body inhospitable

to hosting parasites. Nature's is an easy-to-use two-product system, the

Whole Body Program and the Colon Program. This allows you to tailor the

colon part to your needs while getting the full benefit of the 90-day whole

body cleanse. This is a safe, gentle system used by over 10,000 clinicians

and spas for more then a dozen years with excellent results. For

information and to order these products, call (888) 803-5333 or (323)

962-7370.

The Ultimate Fast cleanses the colon and begins to rid the body of

parasites in eight days, while allowing you to comfortably continue your

ordinary activities. Even the most skeptical people have been pleasantly

surprised to find that two to three days on the Ultimate Fast is easily

extended to eight, without the loss of energy or headaches usually

associated with fasting. That's not to say that you won't miss eating food,

especially in the evening. (After all, our pleasure centers are designed to

reward us for eating, and many of our social and business activities center

around food. It may be best to avoid unsupportive friends and family during

this time.) But you'll be surprised at how easy it is to quell your hunger

simply by drinking more lemonade.

THE EIGHT-DAY ULTIMATE FAST

The following recommendations are for a general parasite cleanse for an

individual without serious or terminal health problems. The cleanse lasts

90 days. If you are very toxic and have severe health challenges, you may

need to continue the cleanse for longer than 90 days, and perhaps use some

different dosages. I suggest you find a health practitioner familiar with

the products to assist you in this very important component of your healing

program; you can get a referral by calling (310) 577-1102.

Designed to rest and cleanse your colon, eliminate parasites, flush many of

the accumulated toxins from your body, and begin the process of returning

your cellular pH to normal, the Ultimate Fast is easy to follow. It's based

on a lemonade you can easily make at home or on the road.

When preparing the lemonade, be sure to use only bottled spring or purified

water4. (Tap water is loaded with toxins and parasites, while distilled

water is " dead " and may also contain many oil-based toxins that vaporize in

the steam.) Here's the recipe:

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In a 10-ounce glass (to allow for 8 ounces and mixing room):

2 tablespoons fresh (and organic, if possible) lemon or lime juice

(absolutely no canned or frozen juice).

2 tablespoons real (and organic, if possible) grade B or C maple syrup.

(Don't use Grade A maple syrup or maple-flavored syrup. They are

over-refined, which means that they are mostly refined sugars and lack

essential minerals.)

A small pinch of cayenne pepper (to taste).

Spring or purified water, between room temperature and medium hot (but not

cold) – fill to 8 ounces.

Mix all the ingredients by thoroughly stirring or shaking, and drink.

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Or, in two 1-quart bottles (32-oz. juice bottles work well):

Juice of 3 lemons, divided equally between the two bottles (about 3 ounces

per bottle)

An equal quantity of grade B or C maple syrup in each bottle (about 3

ounces per bottle)

A pinch of cayenne in each bottle

Spring or purified water (fill bottles to the top)

Mix all the ingredients by thoroughly shaking; then drink throughout the day.

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I like to mix up four quarts in the morning and take them with me wherever

I go during the day to ensure that I always have juice whenever I am hungry

– whether I'm at a business lunch, on an airplane, or whatever. If

well-meaning but non-supportive people ask, I simply tell them " It's an

energy booster, like Gatorade. "

On day 1 of your fast: Drink as much of this lemonade as you want, but make

sure that you drink at least twelve 8-ounce glasses. The lemonade contains

all the vitamins and minerals you need. Eat no food, and take no

supplements, except for one TheraClear and one Colon Cleanse capsule in the

morning, and another Colon Cleanse near bedtime. (You don't have to start

your fast on the morning of the first day. You can begin later in the day,

even if you've already eaten. Once you begin, however, eat nothing more

while you're on the fast.) It's also a good idea to read Stanley Burrough's

book, The Master Cleanser. (See Recommended Reading.) Note: Diabetics,

refer to the special instructions on page 19 of The Master Cleanser.

On days 2 — 8 of your fast: Continue drinking as much of the lemonade as

you like, all day long. Make sure you drink at least twelve 8-ounce glasses

each day. In addition to the lemonade:

Drink an oral salt water enema upon arising. To do this, add 2 level

teaspoons of uniodized sea salt to a quart of lukewarm water (the one-quart

juice bottles in which most organic juices come work very well). Shake

well, then drink the entire quart. Make sure you use uniodized sea salt;

regular or iodized salt will not have the same beneficial effect.

This oral enema will flush out your entire digestive tract and colon from

top to bottom, usually within an hour, prompting you to eliminate several

times, Clearing out the plaque and debris from the walls, and the parasites

that have been living there.

Take your TheraClear capsules upon arising, after drinking the salt water.

Begin with one capsule on the first day. Work your way up to four a day as

you feel comfortable–perhaps by the fourth day.

When you begin to feel hungry, drink your first glass of lemonade.

Four times during the day (five if you weigh more than 150 pounds), at

three-hour intervals, add 1 tablespoon of bentonite (Dr. Irons Vit-ra-tox

Bentonite, Bentonite Minerals, or equivalent) and 1 rounded teaspoon of

psyllium (Dr. Irons Vit-ra-tox Colon Cleanse or equivalent) to about 6

ounces of lemonade. It doesn't matter what time you start adding them, as

long as you begin early enough to work in all your doses. These two

substances will cleanse your colon. Indeed, most colonics professionals

consider bentonite the only proven method of stripping plaque from colon

walls. Shake the mixture thoroughly, then drink it immediately, before it

gels. (See the appendix for information on purchasing Vit-ra-tox; for

Bentonite Minerals, call BCN at (888) 803-5333.)

Start with one Colon Program tablet in the morning and one near bedtime,

working up to 3 twice a day, by the fourth day. (You should have two

healthy bowel movements a day, and can adjust the Colon Program as needed.)

Herbal teas, especially mint, are recommended during the day.

You can follow this program for as long as 40 days, but most people get the

essential benefits in just eight days.

After day 8: Although the fast is over, continue your parasite cleansing.

Continue taking four TheraClear capsules each morning, one hour before

breakfast, for 30 days. Starting on the 31st day after you began taking

four TheraClear capsules a day (not the 31st day of the fast, but the 31st

day after you worked up to four capsules per day) drop down to two

TheraClear capsules per day and continue the Colon Program tablets as

needed, enough to maintain two to three bowel movements a day.

On the ninth day, add three Whole Body Program tablets with your TheraClear

and three a half hour before your evening meal. Work up to five, twice a

day and continue for 90 days to flush the toxins out and rebalance your

system.

The entire eight-day fast, including the Whole Body and TheraClear parasite

cleanse, should be repeated two or three times a year.

ELIMINATING PARASITES WITH TheraClear™ AND NATURE'S PURE BODY PROGRAM

Nature's Pure Body Program, used synergistically with TheraClear™, is

perhaps the most thorough herbal cleanse and anti-parasite program

available. Based on time-tested formulas, this professional grade program

has a long history of use by clinicians for clearing the body of toxins and

parasites, and reestablishing your body's ability to ward off dangerous

parasitic invaders. These cleansing herbs afford many other health-giving

effects. Alone or in combination, they are used for indigestion, arthritis,

allergies, asthma, bursitis, high cholesterol and blood pressure, diabetes,

ulcers, cancer, bacteria, fungi, circulatory problems, constipation, liver,

spleen, kidney and gall bladder problems, and other ailments. They are also

used to stimulate the glands, strengthen the immune system, cleanse the

blood, relieve " female problems, " and much more.

A complete description of the ingredients in these parasite cleanse

substances, and the benefits of each, is available by calling (888)

803-5333 or (323) 962-7370.

WHAT TO EXPECT WHILE ON THE ULTIMATE FAST

Some people are wary of fasts, fearing that they'll starve and barely be

able to drag themselves through the day. That may be true with some other

fasts, but not this one. You will feel great and have higher energy than

normal. You might, however, feel uncomfortable during the first three days

of the Ultimate Fast as the toxins and parasites inside your body are

loosened up and washed away. It is highly unlikely – and I have never seen

it occur during my extensive experience with the fast – but is it possible

to experience weakness, dizziness, vomiting, and increased joint pain.

If you do feel uncomfortable or ill, remember that the toxins, not the

lemonade, are to blame. Know that any uncomfortable feelings are very

temporary and rejoice in the fact that these toxins and parasites are being

eliminated from your body. If they are strong enough to cause a healing

crisis, what would have happened if they were left in your body? If you do

have a bit of trouble while on the fast, take it easy. Rest more than

usual, if necessary. Exercise, preferably outdoors, and get daily massages

when possible. Remember, it will be more than worth it in the end. Overall,

you can expect to have an increased sense of energy and health while on the

fast as the toxins and parasites are Cleared. Many people who planned to

fast for only two or three days have felt so good, they decided to continue

for the full eight days, or more.

You should be having two to three bowel movements per day while on the

fast, with the major bowel movement within an hour of the salt water enema

in the morning. Do not use colonics or enemas during this time, for the

salt water enema does it all much more thoroughly and more gently. (I have,

however, found it useful to have one or more professional colonics during

the fast in order to verify that the salt water enema has indeed cleansed

my colon completely.)

By the second day of the fast you should put a white, plastic colander in

the toilet when you eliminate so you can observe your feces. The fluids

will wash right through the colander, leaving the solids behind for

inspection. If you use a popsicle stick or tongue depressor to poke through

your feces you'll see:

Gel – that's the bentonite. It's often formed much like a healthy stool,

one to two inches in diameter.

Live or dead parasites, ranging from two- to three-foot-long worms to tiny

ones that can barely be seen. (There will also be others that are too small

to be seen without a microscope.)

Whitish or beige-ish substances that look something like pieces of

eggshell. This is plaque from the colon walls.

" Ropey " stuff, perhaps an inch thick and one to two feet long. It literally

looks like a woven rope rather than normal feces. This is composed of old,

unevacuated, putrefied, rotting wastes which were stuck to the lining of

the colon.

Black stuff of all shapes and sizes. Some will be embedded in the ropey

material, some will be elsewhere. This is old, accumulated wastes from the

colon. The blacker it is, the older it is.

White oval globules mixed into the gel and ropey material. This is excess

mucus and/or dead parasites.

BREAKING THE ULTIMATE FAST

It's very important that you break the lemonade diet gently. In fact,

gentle breaking of the fast is generally considered to be as important as

the fast itself. Instead of jumping immediately from nothing but lemonade

and herbal tea to regular eating, you must gradually reintroduce solid

foods to your digestive system so it can start up slowly and gently.

On day 9 of the program, which is the first day after the Ultimate Fast,

continue taking the TheraClear capsules and slowly drink pure,

fresh-squeezed orange juice during the morning, or all day, as desired. For

lunch, I recommend fresh, homemade vegetable soup, brown rice, and perhaps

a salad with little or no dressing. For a light, early dinner, I suggest

fresh, lightly cooked vegetables, with a little fish or chicken. Continue

the Colon Program tablets and add three Whole Body Program tablets, also a

half hour prior to breakfast and dinner.

On the 10th day of the program, begin your ongoing new food regime

(described in Chapter 6), lightly and slowly working up to a full,

healthful diet. Take great care to chew your food thoroughly, because

complete chewing is the first step in the digestive process and essential

for a healthy colon. Pay careful attention to the basics of food-combining,

which are also essential for complete digestion and a healthy colon.

Continue the cleansing program for 90 days to ensure complete elimination.

Work up to five Whole Body tablets, twice a day, perhaps over three or four

days

Twice annually, repeat the TheraClear and Pure Body anti-parasite cleansing

program to make sure you stay parasite-free. Some people prefer to stay on

a maintenance dose of two TheraClear capsules per day. This is also a good

dose to take while traveling to prevent reinfection.

OTHER APPROACHES TO CLEANSING

The Gerson Institute in Bonita, California, and other clinics have very

successful residential cleansing programs you may want to consider. Lee

Cowden, M.D., oversees a seven-day residential cleansing program in Dallas,

Texas. His program includes ozone added to the colonic waters, designed to

greatly facilitate removal of wastes, parasites, and fungus through

super-oxygenation of the intestines and body. In my experience, Dr.

Cowden's cleanse, which includes emotional work, is the most powerful

cleanse offered. You can reach him via fax at (972) 480-8909.

If you are unable or unwilling to fast, you can try other approaches to

cleansing. I've found these methods to be slower and less effective, while

just as uncomfortable (or more so) than fasting. Still, they can be

beneficial. " Rise and Shine " and other similar herbal preparations cleanse

without fasting. (However, I had headaches while on " Rise and Shine, " and

the cleansing was less effective than using the Ultimate Fast.)

Homeopathics can also be used to cleanse the colon and body. They're

effective, but they do not cleanse the colon walls or eliminate the

parasites we all have. I strongly urge you to try my eight-day fast for a

day at a time, to see how easy and effective it is.

You've begun the process of cleansing the colon, eliminating parasites,

restoring the pH to proper levels, and clearing away physical and emotional

toxins. All nine areas of concern – the colon/intestine, lymph system,

parasites, toxins, acidity, emotions, dental, energy/aura/ chakras, and

organs (including the prostate) – are being cleansed. You're on your way to

strengthening your immune system by sweeping away a lot of the useless work

it had been forced to perform. Let's continue strengthening the body and

immune system by learning about food-combining and other principles of

healthful eating.

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Footnotes:

Burroughs, Stanley. 1976. The Master Cleanser. Auburn CA: Burroughs Books.

pp.6-7.

The Dr. Irons Fast is sold in kit form by many colonics professionals for

about $90.

Published by Bernard Jensen, D.C. 1981. Escondido CA.

Purified water should be made with reverse osmosis or equivalent process,

not just an inexpensive home filter. Read the label on the water bottle

and/or ask for the required test report prepared by an independent

laboratory and filed periodically with most states.

[Guest guest]

no, i'm not. this only happens when i eat a lot of refined sugar products.

any other time i'm fine.

bev maloy

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>

>In a message dated 5/13/99 6:21:31 PM Central Daylight Time,

>BIGRD@... writes:

>

><< speaking of sweat, everytime i do consume refined sugar, i sweat like

>crazy,

> and mostly at night. is that strange or what? now i have another question,

> is there a natural/homeopathic route to die off candida?

> thanks,

> bev maloy:)

> BIGRD@... >>

>

>Are you menopausal? Seems that is a problem with some women.

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DON'T KEEP ME IN SUSPENSE!!!!!!!

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>

>At 19:17 13.05.99 -0500, you wrote:

>>

>>is there a natural/homeopathic route to die off candida?

>

>Yes, there is of course.

>

>Dusan

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Dear Krista

Lovely to have your reply. Homeopathy is very complex but from my experience

there are two basic remedies for most needs, especially for children who

shouldn't yet be complex in their health problems.

These are Aconite & Arnica.

The different potencies apply to the different 'bodies' so 6x or 12x strength

is suitable for the physical body in most cases.

Aconite is for initial symptoms of most childhood diseases. A child's mother

almost always knows immediately the child is sick or has an altered physical

state and this is the time for Aconite, traditionally used for fevers, colds

etc., but these ARE the primary symptoms for most of the childhood diseases;

you know, the child looks " flushed & off colour " Aconite will usually bring

relief. Sugar pills are easy for the child to take, should be given 3 x daily

for 1 week to 10 days. You then wont always know what you have cured, but does

this matter?

What I find exciting is that Aconite is used for all types of shock, who knows

that shock may jolt a child in such a way that it allows the disease to take

hold, so you are curing this " shocked " state and protecting against all nature

of disease.

It is a very different way of looking at the disease process, very low key, but

very effective.

Arnica is used for bumps & bruises, 6x & 12x strengths are again those most

commonly needed for children.

Can you get homeopathy remedies ok where you are?

Are you familiar with homeopathy? What its best not to consume whilst you're

taking the remedies etc.?

I haven't read Kaisha's story yet, would you mind sending me a summary of her

reaction, symptoms & present condition?

Good wishes

Jane

Dear Jane,

Hello, I am a member of the vaccinations onelist and AVN onelist and

received your message about homeopathic prophylaxis and am interested. You

may have read the story of our daughter, Kaisha's, adverse reaction to the

DPT shot and our resulting research into the vaccinations issue. I look

forward to hearing from you.

Krista (De Winton, AB)

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dabs,

I am glad you are ok.. Boy, that is a real scary episode.. I know what it s

like to wade through with brain fog and end up doing things that are

dangerous..

I sure hope this won't happen again... take care, dabs

elizabeth

md

[Guest guest]

Oh dabs I am so glad that u are okay, the first half of your letter scared me

to death .. I'm sure you won't be doing that again.

PLEASE Be careful !

HUGS diana

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Why wont my mail post?

[Guest guest]

Hi! My name is . I'm 30 years old and I have one child (Keenan) who

> is 8 years old. He has just been diagnosed with mild OCD. I can not

tell

> you how happy and relieved I am to have found this list. Reading over

your

> archives, I have found so many kids that sound alot like my son and read

> comments from alot of you that are exactly how I am feeling. We just

> started therapy...just got through the assessment part. He is not on

> medication and only time will tell if he will need medication. This has

> been very trying lately. I've felt exhausted, irritable, sad, etc.... I

> was just told about the reassurance thing today, too. Reassuring him is

> something I spent my days doing. Now I know it was a mistake. He is

> afraid of everything, except (believe it or not) school. He does really

> well in school. He's quite popular and the kids would never guess he

does

> what he does at home. He's even afraid to play in our backyard if we're

> not

> out there. He " can't stop thinking about " things like, pulling the necks

> of

> his t-shirts to the point of stretching them out (especially if it's a

> t-shirt he likes really well), he does not like shoes with laces because

he

> has to have them tied perfectly (takes 20- 30 min. to get them tied

> perfect!), he needs to have every noise explained, he constantly looks in

> the mirror and wets his hair down if there's any piece of hair that

sticks

> up and he gets really frustrated if he can't get it combed just right,

he

> can't stop thinking about throwing favourite toys into our creek so that

> they will wash down the creek and get lost. He use to obsess over

> burgulars, thinking that our house was going to be robbed. When he's

away

> from us he thinks something might happen to us if he's not with us... I

> could go on and on and on. This has been exhausting. It started when he

> was about 4 or 5 years old. It comes and goes, however. Sometimes he

> wont'

> do it for a month or two (or maybe he's just not telling us) but this has

> been going on for along time now. This is the longest stretch since

> December. He couldn't stop thinking about biting the inside of his

cheeks,

> which caused open wounds and hurt badly. Looking back, I see how I have

> let

> myself almost reinforce this behaviour, though. Last year he was afraid

to

> ride the school bus so I would drive him to school and pick him up. I

work

> there so I'd drive him to school, go home, go back to school and work, go

> home, go back to school and pick him up. It was not fun. This year I'm

> making him take the school bus. It's hard but I need to do this. He

> needs to do this. The world won't fall apart.

> Anyways, I'm in Seattle, Wa. I hope I haven't rambled on too much. I'm

> sorry, you guys. I just thought I was so alone. I didn't know how to

deal

> with this and then I saw this mailing list and I'm so glad to have found

> you. Thanks so much for listening.

> Take care and I look forward to talking with you.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

this all can be so frustrating. I think over the years my lack of

patience had me practicing BT and I didn't even know it. I just pushed my son

through many situations and it really did help. The only problem is new ones

pop up. But, don't feel bad when you do this(like riding the bus), I think it

really does help. Mothers intuition is good guidance. I am also so glad I

found this list. I wake up each morning and can't wait to here what everyone

else has to say. The support makes such a difference through the day to day

frustrations of this condition. karenh

[Guest guest]

Welcome ,

Wow do you sound just like me a year ago. The most

amazing thing to me was that I had been reinforcing my

son also. Others would just see it as good mothering

but with ocd it just backfires doesn't it.

Your son has so many of the exact same things my son

does, he is 10. Just some words of encouragement, we

had the bus problem also, but he is now able to ride

the bus just fine! We have also made a lot of little

steps with some of the problems so when I look back to

last August when he was diagnosed, we are moving

forward.

Let me know if I can be of any help or just lend some

support. It has been a very tumultuos year to say the

least for this household.

Take Care

in PA

--- Great Dane <greatdane@...> wrote:

> From: " Great Dane " <greatdane@...>

>

> Hi! My name is . I'm 30 years old and I have

> one child (Keenan) who

> > is 8 years old. He has just been diagnosed with

> mild OCD. I can not

> tell

> > you how happy and relieved I am to have found

> this list. Reading over

> your

> > archives, I have found so many kids that sound

> alot like my son and read

> > comments from alot of you that are exactly how I

> am feeling. We just

> > started therapy...just got through the assessment

> part. He is not on

> > medication and only time will tell if he will

> need medication. This has

> > been very trying lately. I've felt exhausted,

> irritable, sad, etc.... I

> > was just told about the reassurance thing today,

> too. Reassuring him is

> > something I spent my days doing. Now I know it

> was a mistake. He is

> > afraid of everything, except (believe it or not)

> school. He does really

> > well in school. He's quite popular and the kids

> would never guess he

> does

> > what he does at home. He's even afraid to play

> in our backyard if we're

> > not

> > out there. He " can't stop thinking about " things

> like, pulling the necks

> > of

> > his t-shirts to the point of stretching them out

> (especially if it's a

> > t-shirt he likes really well), he does not like

> shoes with laces because

> he

> > has to have them tied perfectly (takes 20- 30

> min. to get them tied

> > perfect!), he needs to have every noise

> explained, he constantly looks in

> > the mirror and wets his hair down if there's any

> piece of hair that

> sticks

> > up and he gets really frustrated if he can't get

> it combed just right,

> he

> > can't stop thinking about throwing favourite toys

> into our creek so that

> > they will wash down the creek and get lost. He

> use to obsess over

> > burgulars, thinking that our house was going to

> be robbed. When he's

> away

> > from us he thinks something might happen to us if

> he's not with us... I

> > could go on and on and on. This has been

> exhausting. It started when he

> > was about 4 or 5 years old. It comes and goes,

> however. Sometimes he

> > wont'

> > do it for a month or two (or maybe he's just not

> telling us) but this has

> > been going on for along time now. This is the

> longest stretch since

> > December. He couldn't stop thinking about biting

> the inside of his

> cheeks,

> > which caused open wounds and hurt badly. Looking

> back, I see how I have

> > let

> > myself almost reinforce this behaviour, though.

> Last year he was afraid

> to

> > ride the school bus so I would drive him to

> school and pick him up. I

> work

> > there so I'd drive him to school, go home, go

> back to school and work, go

> > home, go back to school and pick him up. It was

> not fun. This year I'm

> > making him take the school bus. It's hard but I

> need to do this. He

> > needs to do this. The world won't fall apart.

> > Anyways, I'm in Seattle, Wa. I hope I haven't

> rambled on too much. I'm

> > sorry, you guys. I just thought I was so alone.

> I didn't know how to

> deal

> > with this and then I saw this mailing list and

> I'm so glad to have found

> > you. Thanks so much for listening.

> > Take care and I look forward to talking with you.

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

,

Thank you so much. I am just about to cry reading your letter. I have felt

so guilty with my parenting, wondering all of this time is it something I've

created or done. I am just so happy I found you guys. I've compared

Keenan to his friends and he's always been more intense than them and much

easier to start throwing a scene or start cryiing. And I'm not just talking

tears. I'm talking wailing. I'm so happy we finally took him to a

psychologist and I'm so glad she didn't suggest medication. She said we'd

know more as time goes on but she felt no medication for right now. Are

there bad side effects to the medication? I hope we will be able to avoid

medication. Is your son on medication?

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> From: <clmaynard147@...>

>

> Welcome ,

> Wow do you sound just like me a year ago. The most

> amazing thing to me was that I had been reinforcing my

> son also. Others would just see it as good mothering

> but with ocd it just backfires doesn't it.

>

> Your son has so many of the exact same things my son

> does, he is 10. Just some words of encouragement, we

> had the bus problem also, but he is now able to ride

> the bus just fine! We have also made a lot of little

> steps with some of the problems so when I look back to

> last August when he was diagnosed, we are moving

> forward.

>

> Let me know if I can be of any help or just lend some

> support. It has been a very tumultuos year to say the

> least for this household.

>

> Take Care

> in PA

>

> --- Great Dane <greatdane@...> wrote:

> > From: " Great Dane " <greatdane@...>

> >

> > Hi! My name is . I'm 30 years old and I have

> > one child (Keenan) who

> > > is 8 years old. He has just been diagnosed with

> > mild OCD. I can not

> > tell

> > > you how happy and relieved I am to have found

> > this list. Reading over

> > your

> > > archives, I have found so many kids that sound

> > alot like my son and read

> > > comments from alot of you that are exactly how I

> > am feeling. We just

> > > started therapy...just got through the assessment

> > part. He is not on

> > > medication and only time will tell if he will

> > need medication. This has

> > > been very trying lately. I've felt exhausted,

> > irritable, sad, etc.... I

> > > was just told about the reassurance thing today,

> > too. Reassuring him is

> > > something I spent my days doing. Now I know it

> > was a mistake. He is

> > > afraid of everything, except (believe it or not)

> > school. He does really

> > > well in school. He's quite popular and the kids

> > would never guess he

> > does

> > > what he does at home. He's even afraid to play

> > in our backyard if we're

> > > not

> > > out there. He " can't stop thinking about " things

> > like, pulling the necks

> > > of

> > > his t-shirts to the point of stretching them out

> > (especially if it's a

> > > t-shirt he likes really well), he does not like

> > shoes with laces because

> > he

> > > has to have them tied perfectly (takes 20- 30

> > min. to get them tied

> > > perfect!), he needs to have every noise

> > explained, he constantly looks in

> > > the mirror and wets his hair down if there's any

> > piece of hair that

> > sticks

> > > up and he gets really frustrated if he can't get

> > it combed just right,

> > he

> > > can't stop thinking about throwing favourite toys

> > into our creek so that

> > > they will wash down the creek and get lost. He

> > use to obsess over

> > > burgulars, thinking that our house was going to

> > be robbed. When he's

> > away

> > > from us he thinks something might happen to us if

> > he's not with us... I

> > > could go on and on and on. This has been

> > exhausting. It started when he

> > > was about 4 or 5 years old. It comes and goes,

> > however. Sometimes he

> > > wont'

> > > do it for a month or two (or maybe he's just not

> > telling us) but this has

> > > been going on for along time now. This is the

> > longest stretch since

> > > December. He couldn't stop thinking about biting

> > the inside of his

> > cheeks,

> > > which caused open wounds and hurt badly. Looking

> > back, I see how I have

> > > let

> > > myself almost reinforce this behaviour, though.

> > Last year he was afraid

> > to

> > > ride the school bus so I would drive him to

> > school and pick him up. I

> > work

> > > there so I'd drive him to school, go home, go

> > back to school and work, go

> > > home, go back to school and pick him up. It was

> > not fun. This year I'm

> > > making him take the school bus. It's hard but I

> > need to do this. He

> > > needs to do this. The world won't fall apart.

> > > Anyways, I'm in Seattle, Wa. I hope I haven't

> > rambled on too much. I'm

> > > sorry, you guys. I just thought I was so alone.

> > I didn't know how to

> > deal

> > > with this and then I saw this mailing list and

> > I'm so glad to have found

> > > you. Thanks so much for listening.

> > > Take care and I look forward to talking with you.

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

HI . What's BT? It's so hard to push him through stuff. I feel

guilty when I do it but now that I know I HAVE to I don't feel so bad. I

look back at the last few years and look at all the times I gave in to his

insecurities and being anxious. I even use to lay down at night with him in

his bed until he fell asleep because he was so scared of robbers!!! Boy,

was I ever reinforcing that. I know that now. It's just so hard when it's

your child that you love so much. I've never been a very strict parent.

I've been firm, once in awhile, but never very strict. I know I don't have

to be strict but this is all so diffferent for me. I have to tell you,

though, that I feel like I have more energy since I got his diagnosis this

week. For some reason I feel like a weight has been lifted from my

shoulders. I have been pretty depressed with all that has been going on.

I'm a jogger, too, and I've been missing days of jogging....something I

haven't done for 7 years. I've been making myself get out of the house and

walk on those days that I feel like that. I feel much better now. Tomorrow

might be a different story but atleast I now know what I'm dealing with.

Re: Fw: failure notice

> From: KARENH512@...

>

> this all can be so frustrating. I think over the years my lack of

> patience had me practicing BT and I didn't even know it. I just pushed my

son

> through many situations and it really did help. The only problem is new

ones

> pop up. But, don't feel bad when you do this(like riding the bus), I think

it

> really does help. Mothers intuition is good guidance. I am also so glad I

> found this list. I wake up each morning and can't wait to here what

everyone

> else has to say. The support makes such a difference through the day to

day

> frustrations of this condition. karenh

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

You just discribed my son when he was 7 years old!!!! He was diagnosed

in 2nd grade but looking back, he had symptoms off and on since 3 or 4.

Tieing his shoes (before he knew how to tie them) took me forever, sretching

t-shirts, clothes that just felt wrong or itchy, socks that had bumps, etc.

And he had separation anxiety big time. And many of the same worries - except

he wouldn't tell us what he was worried about (maybe he was afraid that if he

voiced them, they would come true?). He would often get songs " stuck " in his

head for hours - try learning your basic addition and subtraction math facts

with that going on - and checking and rechecking his answers on top of it.

And he picked his skin - or itch it until he was bleeding, and pick and

re-pick the scabs. He has some permanent scars on his arms now. Fortunately,

he rarely picks now.

He is now 12 and just started with a new Cognitive Behavioral Therapist a few

weeks ago. He has been on medication since 7 because he was also very

depressed. I can't imagine what life would be like if he didn't take

medication. He takes Luvox now, and Clonidine for attention and it also helps

reduce tics which he also has (mild ones), and Risperdal for aggressive

behavior (that really got worse this past year). He barely got through the

6th grade (too many changes, too many kids, too much everything). But he has

had a good summer and it looking forward to school - he will be attending a

regional special school for children with emotional and behavioral

difficulties with the goal being back in a mainstream school and a year or

two.

He has actually been a bit aggitated this week because my office opened this

week after being closed for the summer - I coordinate the Religious Education

for grades 1-6 at my parish. And even though I work part-time and only 1 mile

from home, he was home alone enough to get anxious and tense.

, welcome to the list. It is a great place just to vent and well as get

good info.

Anne in CT

[Guest guest]

,

The first thing is not to blame yourself! I have

already been there and it's not our fault. My son is

the same with his friends, so intense and it breaks my

heart. He has been on Prozac for 1 year now. He has

very little side effects and some relief from the

anxiety. We noticed fairly soon after he started

taking it, a little boy who smiled more and wanted to

run and play. It also helps him with his exposure

response therapy.

I was at the point of despair when he was diagnosed,

as was he. My family doctor assured me that he felt

it was best and the side effects were few. I do not

regret our decision at all. Perhaps, if I had figured

out what the problem was earlier on, we could have

done it without meds. Oh no, there goes my guilt

again.

It is so comforting to have others in the same

situation to talk to. This list has been a great

source of support and advice. So much of my family

and friends have a hard time understanding the ocd.

Have you noticed that also?

in Pa

--- Great Dane <greatdane@...> wrote:

> From: " Great Dane " <greatdane@...>

>

> ,

> Thank you so much. I am just about to cry reading

> your letter. I have felt

> so guilty with my parenting, wondering all of this

> time is it something I've

> created or done. I am just so happy I found you

> guys. I've compared

> Keenan to his friends and he's always been more

> intense than them and much

> easier to start throwing a scene or start cryiing.

> And I'm not just talking

> tears. I'm talking wailing. I'm so happy we

> finally took him to a

> psychologist and I'm so glad she didn't suggest

> medication. She said we'd

> know more as time goes on but she felt no medication

> for right now. Are

> there bad side effects to the medication? I hope we

> will be able to avoid

> medication. Is your son on medication?

>

> Re: Fw: failure notice

>

>

> > From: <clmaynard147@...>

> >

> > Welcome ,

> > Wow do you sound just like me a year ago. The

> most

> > amazing thing to me was that I had been

> reinforcing my

> > son also. Others would just see it as good

> mothering

> > but with ocd it just backfires doesn't it.

> >

> > Your son has so many of the exact same things my

> son

> > does, he is 10. Just some words of encouragement,

> we

> > had the bus problem also, but he is now able to

> ride

> > the bus just fine! We have also made a lot of

> little

> > steps with some of the problems so when I look

> back to

> > last August when he was diagnosed, we are moving

> > forward.

> >

> > Let me know if I can be of any help or just lend

> some

> > support. It has been a very tumultuos year to say

> the

> > least for this household.

> >

> > Take Care

> > in PA

> >

> > --- Great Dane <greatdane@...> wrote:

> > > From: " Great Dane " <greatdane@...>

> > >

> > > Hi! My name is . I'm 30 years old and I

> have

> > > one child (Keenan) who

> > > > is 8 years old. He has just been diagnosed

> with

> > > mild OCD. I can not

> > > tell

> > > > you how happy and relieved I am to have found

> > > this list. Reading over

> > > your

> > > > archives, I have found so many kids that sound

> > > alot like my son and read

> > > > comments from alot of you that are exactly

> how I

> > > am feeling. We just

> > > > started therapy...just got through the

> assessment

> > > part. He is not on

> > > > medication and only time will tell if he will

> > > need medication. This has

> > > > been very trying lately. I've felt

> exhausted,

> > > irritable, sad, etc.... I

> > > > was just told about the reassurance thing

> today,

> > > too. Reassuring him is

> > > > something I spent my days doing. Now I know

> it

> > > was a mistake. He is

> > > > afraid of everything, except (believe it or

> not)

> > > school. He does really

> > > > well in school. He's quite popular and the

> kids

> > > would never guess he

> > > does

> > > > what he does at home. He's even afraid to

> play

> > > in our backyard if we're

> > > > not

> > > > out there. He " can't stop thinking about "

> things

> > > like, pulling the necks

> > > > of

> > > > his t-shirts to the point of stretching them

> out

> > > (especially if it's a

> > > > t-shirt he likes really well), he does not

> like

> > > shoes with laces because

> > > he

> > > > has to have them tied perfectly (takes 20- 30

> > > min. to get them tied

> > > > perfect!), he needs to have every noise

> > > explained, he constantly looks in

> > > > the mirror and wets his hair down if there's

> any

> > > piece of hair that

> > > sticks

> > > > up and he gets really frustrated if he can't

> get

> > > it combed just right,

> > > he

> > > > can't stop thinking about throwing favourite

> toys

> > > into our creek so that

> > > > they will wash down the creek and get lost.

> He

> > > use to obsess over

> > > > burgulars, thinking that our house was going

> to

> > > be robbed. When he's

> > > away

> > > > from us he thinks something might happen to

> us if

> > > he's not with us... I

> > > > could go on and on and on. This has been

> > > exhausting. It started when he

> > > > was about 4 or 5 years old. It comes and

> goes,

> > > however. Sometimes he

> > > > wont'

> > > > do it for a month or two (or maybe he's just

> not

> > > telling us) but this has

> > > > been going on for along time now. This is

> the

> > > longest stretch since

> > > > December. He couldn't stop thinking about

> biting

> > > the inside of his

> > > cheeks,

> > > > which caused open wounds and hurt badly.

> Looking

> > > back, I see how I have

> > > > let

> > > > myself almost reinforce this behaviour,

> though.

> > > Last year he was afraid

> > > to

> > > > ride the school bus so I would drive him to

> > > school and pick him up. I

> > > work

> > > > there so I'd drive him to school, go home, go

> > > back to school and work, go

> > > > home, go back to school and pick him up. It

> was

> > > not fun. This year I'm

> > > > making him take the school bus. It's hard

> but I

> > > need to do this. He

> > > > needs to do this. The world won't fall

> apart.

> > > > Anyways, I'm in Seattle, Wa. I hope I

> haven't

> > > rambled on too much. I'm

> > > > sorry, you guys. I just thought I was so

> alone.

> > > I didn't know how to

> > > deal

> > > > with this and then I saw this mailing list

> and

> > > I'm so glad to have found

> > > > you. Thanks so much for listening.

> > > > Take care and I look forward to talking with

> you.

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ---------------------------

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