Re:

[Guest guest]

Poly, that is just what I was talking about in my last email, it is like we can't possibly be related! I don't know if she will consent to staying with us or not, but I hope so! It's not that I even like the idea of her being here, I mean we do get along okay, but I get along with everybody, my husband thinks that I'm a big door-mat, which is probably true. I just would feel so much better if I was baby-sitting her though, I need the peace of mind that she isn't doing anything that could jeopardize this pregnancy.

Re:

,

That's exactly what I would want to do. Keep my eye on her. That just goes to show your concern for that poor little baby growing inside of her. You never know who she might be sleeping with and therefore what illness she could pass on to the baby. I am also concerned about her smoking and I definitely hope she is not on drugs. Anyway, tell me how a sister like you turns out to be so nice and she turns out to be so different???

Poly

[Guest guest]

,

That's exactly what I would want to do. Keep my eye on her. That just goes to show your concern for that poor little baby growing inside of her. You never know who she might be sleeping with and therefore what illness she could pass on to the baby. I am also concerned about her smoking and I definitely hope she is not on drugs. Anyway, tell me how a sister like you turns out to be so nice and she turns out to be so different???

Poly

[Guest guest]

Well our lawyer seems to think so. She says that it is much easier to just get consent, because if we don't and then some time later he could show up and maybe ruin everything! I'm praying that it won't be a problem. The guys that my sister dates are usually not the responsible type at least we have that much going for us!

Re:

,

That would really be a problem wouldn't it? Do you legally have to tell the father?

Poly

[Guest guest]

That thought of course has crossed our minds, we just hope that nobody would ever put a price tag on a child but unfortunately there are some pretty scummy people in the world. all we can do is wait and see. My sister might not even cough up a name for these men so I just really have to wait, that is all that I can do.

Re:

,

Although they are not the type of guys that would want the baby, maybe they are the type of guys who would see this as an opportunity to make money!!!!!

Poly

[Guest guest]

,

That would really be a problem wouldn't it? Do you legally have to tell the father?

Poly

[Guest guest]

,

Although they are not the type of guys that would want the baby, maybe they are the type of guys who would see this as an opportunity to make money!!!!!

Poly

[Guest guest]

: I agree with your lawyer. I'm not an adoption attorney, but I worked for my legal clinic during law school and had a case of a non-married father who was seeking custody of his son born to his ex-girlfriend. He went to all the trouble of proving paternity through DNA testing and custody hearings etc....the general rule is that a biological father has " parental rights " until they are terminated by law. An adoption does not terminate a parents rights if it is done without their knowledge and consent. That is why it is important to get the consent of the biological father....so he doesn't come back later an assert some right to the child.

I do agree with Celeste, however, that given your sister's unsavory past....the type of men we are talking about here and not the kind that are likely to be interested in their parental rights so it is probably something that would be very unlikely to happen. But, you know the old adage....better safe than sorry.....

I totally agree with you that having your own conditions met is very important....you sound just like me. I've always said that I could never do surrogacy because I would want the surrogate handcuffed to me throughout the pregnancy so I could monitor every single thing she does, eats, drinks or says!!! If you can convince your sister to live with you...I think that would help give you some wonderful peace of mind....

Good luck with all of this! Very exciting for you and your husband!!

Gwen

Re:

Well our lawyer seems to think so. She says that it is much easier to just get consent, because if we don't and then some time later he could show up and maybe ruin everything! I'm praying that it won't be a problem. The guys that my sister dates are usually not the responsible type at least we have that much going for us!

Re:

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That would really be a problem wouldn't it? Do you legally have to tell the father?

Poly

[Guest guest]

Hey there : I'm doing ok, thank you for asking. I am feeling much better than Monday. Climbing

stairs still hurts a bit...and by the end of the day I do start feeling a little achey...but much better than

before. Didn't take any pain medication at all yesterday so I think the worst is over.

I am supposed to call my RE on my " Day 1 " ....i.e. the first day of my period....(GOD WILLING!) and

they will schedule me to see him the following week for my follow-up and I assume to remove the IUD

as well and measure my lining I hope. I'm not really sure what the plans are as I was in pain and groggy

when we left my procedure last week and the only instructions his nurse gave me was to call as soon

as I got a period....or, to call if 10 days had elapsed since finishing the Provera without getting a period.

(GOD FORBID!)

So, best case scenario I will have a follow-up appointment the last week of October. And worst-case

scenario I will have one the first week of November. How about you? When is your post-op scheduled

for? When do you expect to get your period? When do you stop the Provera?

Gwen

Gwen

Hello Gwen, I was just wondering how you were feeling today? Do you go for a post-op a week after surgery? Or do you just wait until the iud is ready to be removed? Hope you are feeling good!

[Guest guest]

Hi Gwen, I already had a period unbelievably enough, I got it just ten days post-op, and it was a doozey! It lasted for 6 WHOLE days!! I flowed really good also, my RE said that that was a really good sign. I have 9 days left of estrogen and progesterone then when I get my next period I have to call and he will set up the HSG and U/S . Hopefully everything will be great, a nice thick lining, that is what I want! If everything looks good we will start to try and conceive right away! Even if we also adopt we still plan on conceiving, we would have a dozen kids if we could!

Gwen

Hello Gwen, I was just wondering how you were feeling today? Do you go for a post-op a week after surgery? Or do you just wait until the iud is ready to be removed? Hope you are feeling good!

[Guest guest]

- that's great! I'm sorry, did I miss that? It is so hard to keep track of everyone! Good for you!! I will keep my fingers

crossed that the same is true for me! I can't remember, did you have periods at all before this last surgery?

Gwen

Re:

Hi Gwen, I already had a period unbelievably enough, I got it just ten days post-op, and it was a doozey! It lasted for 6 WHOLE days!! I flowed really good also, my RE said that that was a really good sign. I have 9 days left of estrogen and progesterone then when I get my next period I have to call and he will set up the HSG and U/S . Hopefully everything will be great, a nice thick lining, that is what I want! If everything looks good we will start to try and conceive right away! Even if we also adopt we still plan on conceiving, we would have a dozen kids if we could!

Gwen

Hello Gwen, I was just wondering how you were feeling today? Do you go for a post-op a week after surgery? Or do you just wait until the iud is ready to be removed? Hope you are feeling good!

[Guest guest]

Gwen, I did not have "periods" before the surgery, the longest period that I had prior to surgery lasted for maybe a few hours, so this period that I had was the longest one that I have had in 6 years! I actually had to go and buy some super maxi pads! I didn't have any here because I have not needed them.

Gwen

Hello Gwen, I was just wondering how you were feeling today? Do you go for a post-op a week after surgery? Or do you just wait until the iud is ready to be removed? Hope you are feeling good!

[Guest guest]

I turned 34 last week and I too look like I'm about 13...ugh!!! I've got some Clearisil too! Oh the joys

of Asherman's huh?!

Gwen

Re:

My husband thinks that is pretty funny actually, I look like I'm about 16, with all the pimples I have on my face, what fun! I actually went and bought some clearsil. I went to buy a six pack of beer for Sunday football and they asked for my ID, I couldn't believe it, I'm 33 years old, I should probably try to enjoy it while it lasts, at least that is what my husband says.

Gwen

Hello Gwen, I was just wondering how you were feeling today? Do you go for a post-op a week after surgery? Or do you just wait until the iud is ready to be removed? Hope you are feeling good!

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the advise Gwen and I will do as you say. I will let you know the outcome.

Hi everyone

Hi My name is Martel. I am almost 39 years old and live in the Sierra Foothills of Northern California. My husband and I had tried to get pregnant for a long time before we sought the help of a fertility specialist in San Francisco. We tried all the "low tech" approaches with no avail. So we finally decided to undergo IVF. Our first IVF cycle was diagnostic, meaning it took IVF to realize there was something wrong with my eggs. I had only one viable egg out of 17! So, we tried a different protocol and then we tried ICSI. This is when they inject they the sperm into the egg in IVF. Very Hi tech. We got 4 viable embryos out of 14 eggs. They were all implanted and one took. We had a difficult pregnancy that ended with a C-section. Hi tech start to a high tech finish! Now we have a wonderful baby boy named Calan. He was born on Sept 14, 1999. I had a retained placenta and a D and C 4 weeks after delivery. Everything seemed normal for this past year. I nursed Calan for 9 months and after I weaned him my periods returned but very light...almost a spotting and no cramps. I can now really appreciate what all of you are going through with the anticipation of a period! Congrats to you Poly!

Two weeks ago I went in for a baseline ultrasound for our next cycle of IVF and my RE had a difficult time in inserting a catheter into my uterus. He does this because he needs to know how far to insert it for the embryo transfer in IVF. He noticed the my uterus measurements were shorter than before. Then he injected saline into my uterus under ultrasound to see if I had scar tissue after my D & C. He saw that my uterus has closed partially. He suspects Ashermans and wants to see me again for an ultrasound on my cycle day 12 to see my lining. Then he wants to do surgery to remove scar tissue and give me hormones.

I go in for my Day 12 ultrasound on Oct 1st, this Sunday. I thank all you for the e-mails you have been writing to each other. I have learned lots and now I can go into this with some knowledge and good questions to ask.

I have not had this problem for long, but I can commiserate with all of you with respect to years of infertility and not knowing if there will be a child. It seems so cruel that after so long with infertility, I now finally have an option to carry a another child (even though I have only a few years left to produce viable eggs) and a doctor in an emergency department may have taken all my options away. I mourned terribly for what may never be. I find your group very helpful. Although I cannot give advise on Ashermans yet, I can help you out with any IVF questions.

Thanks for listening and if you have any advise for me on Oct 1st, my Day 12 ultrasound, I am all ears.

Thanks

Martel

[Guest guest]

Not only am I in Illinois - I live in Chicago, the Home of the Bears! But, I grew up in Madison and was a

Packers fan as a kid...but Packers fans are all regarded as " Cheeseheads " here in Chicago...besides

my husband would kill me if I rooted for the Packers!! So I usually just watch quietly. Now, if the

Badgers are playing College Ball, however, all bets are off as I will root for them loudly and exuberantly

every time!!

Have a great weekend alone together....I am envious! We're talking about trying to do such a weekend

ourselves next month for our anniversary which is the 21st so we'll see. Have fun and RELAX!!

Gwen

Re: so upset

We are just going to take it day by day, I just got done talking to my husband and I'm going to just let what happens happen I'm not going to beat myself up about it anymore! My sister is very manipulative and I'm letting her get to me and I have to stop it now, so we will go on and do what our attorney advises us to do. That is all we can do right now. My husband and I are going to go out of town this weekend ALONE and I can't wait, it has been so long since we have done anything alone, we are going to leave all of our worries behind and just relax ! I don't know how relaxing it will be though, we are going to Green Bay and are gonna go see the Packer game which can be very unrelaxing but it should be fun. Are you into football Gwen? I do believe it's the Bears that the Packers are playing on Sunday. I think you are in Illinois, right?

so upset

Hello everyone, I am so upset! My sister is completely refusing to tell us the name of the father of the baby, so I don't know what is going to happen now, I called our lawyer this morning but she was out, I hope she calls back soon. I'm thinking that if she just says that she doesn't know who the father is maybe that would work, I don't know, I hate being at all dishonest but I am almost willing to try anything. I don't want to get my sister mad at me, I hate this situation! I feel like I can't say or do anything to upset her, I am so stressed out over this, it's like she is holding all the cards and if I make one wrong move that could be the end of it.

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the group - although I'm sorry you have need to be here. Your story is so

very familiar to all of us, retained placenta and D & C and then no period...(or a very light one).

I had a diagnostic HSG done in July and they couldn't even get the catheter in place at all

for me so I know just how you feel. Good luck on the first....and let us know what happens.

You might want to ask for an HSG instead of or in addition to an ultrasound as only an

HSG can really give you an accurate picture of where the scarring is. Make sure, also , that

they give you antibiotics before and after you have an HSG if you do.

Take care, and welcome again!

Gwen

Hi everyone

Hi My name is Martel. I am almost 39 years old and live in the Sierra Foothills of Northern California. My husband and I had tried to get pregnant for a long time before we sought the help of a fertility specialist in San Francisco. We tried all the " low tech " approaches with no avail. So we finally decided to undergo IVF. Our first IVF cycle was diagnostic, meaning it took IVF to realize there was something wrong with my eggs. I had only one viable egg out of 17! So, we tried a different protocol and then we tried ICSI. This is when they inject they the sperm into the egg in IVF. Very Hi tech. We got 4 viable embryos out of 14 eggs. They were all implanted and one took. We had a difficult pregnancy that ended with a C-section. Hi tech start to a high tech finish! Now we have a wonderful baby boy named Calan. He was born on Sept 14, 1999. I had a retained placenta and a D and C 4 weeks after delivery. Everything seemed normal for this past year. I nursed Calan for 9 months and after I weaned him my periods returned but very light...almost a spotting and no cramps. I can now really appreciate what all of you are going through with the anticipation of a period! Congrats to you Poly!

Two weeks ago I went in for a baseline ultrasound for our next cycle of IVF and my RE had a difficult time in inserting a catheter into my uterus. He does this because he needs to know how far to insert it for the embryo transfer in IVF. He noticed the my uterus measurements were shorter than before. Then he injected saline into my uterus under ultrasound to see if I had scar tissue after my D & C. He saw that my uterus has closed partially. He suspects Ashermans and wants to see me again for an ultrasound on my cycle day 12 to see my lining. Then he wants to do surgery to remove scar tissue and give me hormones.

I go in for my Day 12 ultrasound on Oct 1st, this Sunday. I thank all you for the e-mails you have been writing to each other. I have learned lots and now I can go into this with some knowledge and good questions to ask.

I have not had this problem for long, but I can commiserate with all of you with respect to years of infertility and not knowing if there will be a child. It seems so cruel that after so long with infertility, I now finally have an option to carry a another child (even though I have only a few years left to produce viable eggs) and a doctor in an emergency department may have taken all my options away. I mourned terribly for what may never be. I find your group very helpful. Although I cannot give advise on Ashermans yet, I can help you out with any IVF questions.

Thanks for listening and if you have any advise for me on Oct 1st, my Day 12 ultrasound, I am all ears.

Thanks

Martel

[Guest guest]

: While I certainly can't rule out your estrogen hypothesis, it is my understanding that it is the

" overly aggresive " technique of the surgeon performing the D & C that explains why one caused scarring

and the other didn't. When a D & C is performed correctly it only removes the outer layer of the endometrium

and does not go " deep " enough to effect the muscle layer of the uterine wall. When a doctor is " overly

aggressive " with the D & C they remove too much....scrape too deep into the uterus which is what

causes the scarring.

Gwen

Re:

Gwen,

Yes, I can feel the anguish you had while breastfeeding. I too had major breastfeeding (volume) problems for the 4 weeks I had a retained placenta. Then after the D & C, it was magic. All my problems went away almost overnight. (In addition to low milk volumes, I had terrible low back pain from the massive amount of clots in my uterus and terrible constipation). I too felt like a failure when I produced only 1/4 - 1/2 ounce of milk when I pumped. Now we know why our bodies didn't produce enough milk. But, I still wonder if the low estrogen had a play in my uterus scarring. Because I had a D and C when I was 26 years old and nothing happened that time. Interesting.

Another question for the group. Is there a time in your cycle that the surgery for scar removal is best? My doctor said that he would treat me with a medication before the surgery (approximately 2-6 weeks) to take away any chance of blood. Do you know what this drug is and did others use it as well? Thanks

Re: Introduction of Vikki M.

Vikki and :This condition is treatable and you may go on to having a full term pregnancy. We are here to help advise you and comfort you in any way we can. There are some very intelligent women in this group with tons of experience and who have done tons of research. I know you will find us very helpful!!! There is a light at the end of the tunnel so to speak.Celeste

[Guest guest]

Poly,

Your story is so sad it is beyond words. I can see why you are mad (actually enraged would be a better word) at your doctor. I really hope things will go better next time for you. Your story reminds me of my brother and sister in law when they lost their triplet pregnancy by 21 weeks after IVF. This Ashermans support group has been very beneficial to me (both emotionally and educationally) and I am sure to everyone else as well. I have lots of questions to ask my RE this weekend when we go in to get my lining checked. And this is thanks to you. Thank you.

As far as the low estrogen theory, I don't think it's that simple either. I just thought that Ashermans (like most everything else) may be caused by multiple factors (at least in my case). One a traumatic D & C and then it may be worsened by breastfeeding and the lack of estrogen afterwards. The reason this thought occurred to me was that my doctor said he would give me mega doses of estrogen (after my surgery) to help the lining heal. So, I put the two together.

I will ask my doctor about the statistics of Ashermans after D & C and see what he says. God I wish I knew what I know now back then! I guess that this is what we have to do now... try to educate as many people as we can....so they never have to ge through this.

Thanks for your thoughts,

,

Your story is so similar to mine in many ways. At 37.5 we are still struggling to have a baby in our arms. After 13 years of trying, my sons were conceived through IVF (5th attempt) and also through ICSI. You are right about a hi tech start to a high tech finish. Where was their high tech professionalism when they left placenta inside me after not allowing me to give birth to the placenta but instead they said they would do a D & C to clear me out properly?! 3 weeks later and one day before my son Panayiotis died, I was admitted into hospital yet again to remove this large amount of placenta they totally ignored and had another D & C. This is something which I always used to think only happened in days of old!! Wrong. I lived through hell and never imagined coming out of it ever, but I was fortunate enough to find another support group on egroups called LAMBS (loss of multiples) who helped me tremendously. This is what inspired me to start my own group for Ashermans.

You brought up a very interesting point there about lack of estrogen during breastfeeding. Personally, because my twins died, I was given Parlodel (hormone) to stop the milk coming down and therefore can’t say that this is related to me. Whilst I can understand why the lack of estrogen may stop your endometrium lining from building up again, I find it difficult to relate this to how it can cause increased scarring. Scarring happens after a trauma to the uterus e.g overly aggressive D & C, removal of polyps or fibroids, an infection in the uterus eg endometritis (I had this because of retained placenta which caused me a bad infection.) The scarring occurs as the body tries to heal itself, so you see why I don’t understand how the scarring and lack of estrogen are related.

Now, your answer from your doctor about Ashermans being very rare. Perhaps we should all take a copy of the evergrowing member profile spreadsheet and throw it in their faces! Then maybe they’ll wake up to this fact and think twice next time they need to do a D & C. I think I am beginning to understand that the fact that these doctors are still believing it is rare, they are performing D & C’s believing that the chance of causing ashermans is so remote therefore not paying enough attention to this possibility. I always want to tell the doctor who did this to me what I think of her professionalism (maybe some day in court). At xmas time when I was having a really hard time with my babies loss and then finding out I had ashermans, I thought about her sitting around with her family and wanted her to know that what she did to me may never give me that chance to sit around the table at xmas time with my biological family. Sorry it just makes me sooooo mad. Everytime a new member joins, I feel sadness that I am proving these doctors wrong about Ashermans being so rare, but at the same time I feel happiness too that these new members will have somewhere to turn to for support and not be out there alone as I once was 9 months ago.

Sorry this has been so long but I can get so carried away sometimes when I get upset. Thanks for listening, if you got this far!.

Poly

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info. on the baby asprin, I'll stop and get some on my way home!!

Gwen

Re: Poly

Hi Gwen, my RE has me taking one baby aspirin a day, I think it's to help with blood flow to the uterus.

Gwen

Gwen,

was taking these herbal pills for some time. When she started taking viagra she stopped taking them so that she would know if the viagra did anything on its own. Her latest ultrasound has shown a lining that has gone from islets of endometrium to a continuous one. Now my question is did the viagra help alone or did these herbal pills help too? I am tempted to go have an ultrasound this week before my surgery but I just don't have time. Monday is the only day I will be able to go but it will be 11 days after my period. I think the best time for an ultrasound to see the thickest lining is from 12 to 15 days.

By the way, thought I'd mention that since my last surgery I have been taking baby aspirin 75mg one a day to help with the circulation and some other vitamin tablets like antioxidents and an enzyme called Co-Q-10 which is supposed to help the cells grow. I don't know if they are doing anything but I don't think I have anything to lose.

Poly

[Guest guest]

My RE yesterday said he doesnt' use a balloon or IUD because anything in

the uterus can cause an imflammatory reaction and he thinks it's better

to use estrogen to build up the lining and let healing happen as

naturally as possible. Of course different doctors have different

ideas.

BCPs means birth control pills. All I know about estradiol is it is a

form of estrogen that increases during the follicular phase. The more

follicles the higher the estradiol should be. Ideally, there should be

150-200 units of estradiol per mature follicle right before ovulation.

--

Vikki M.

mailto:vikbill@...

[Guest guest]

Poly, I think he didn't ask because from what I've learned from this group, EVERY RE is different! It's awful, every one of our doctors tells each of us something different, it makes it hard to know what way is best. I have had a lot of surgeries with a total of three doctors and all of them have asked me what day my cycle was on, so I really don't know what to tell you, I honestly believe it will probably will make no difference what day your cycle is on, you don't get a period anyway, right?

,

Do you think it is because I am not having much of a period that he said it doesn't make any difference? My doctor has not prescribed me with anything prior to surgery. He just scheduled a date for the surgery without asking me anything about my cycle.

Poly

[Guest guest]

see below. I have added comments on researching Interceed.

,

I too went on day 12 of my cycle for an U/S and mine was the thickest part was 3.8mm. I have islets, and all doctors have always been able to tell me by ultrasound if I have islets so can't understand why yours couldn't tell.

I think because my uterus lining is completely adhered together and Ashermans is all over. So, he can't tell yet. Afterwards, when my lining is separated (and hopefully healed) and the uterine cavity is restored he will be able to see the lining better in u/s. Right now it's all scar tissue, and there was very little lining to be seen.

Sorry to be so naive, but what is BCP's?

Birth control pills. Sorry about that.

There is so much to take in when thinking about what type of treatment is best for each case. Some doctors prefer using a balloon and others IUD. A doctor I spoke to last week said that he doesn't believe the balloon does any good because it is blown up in the uterus and pushes against the endometrium thus not allowing the endometrium to regenerate. Other doctors give other reasons for why they use a certain treatment and I guess we don't have one treatment that is supposed to be the best. Friday I am going ahead with interceed and my doctor too is saying that he preferred to see written results before he uses it, but my question is, how will they know if they don't use it on some of us. They say there is so few of us, so who will they be trying it on? Rats?

I will ask about the balloon and the pushing against the endometrium.

Yes, I know and I agree with your last comments. Just an FYI. Doctors can be placed into 3 categories. 1. Early adoptors and Not early adoptors. The early adoptors are ones that will adopt a new technique or drug very early after its approval or publishing. 2. The not early adoptors will only adopt only after many months or years of experience has been built up. The third (but very small category) are the ones that try new things before they are published or approved by a regulatory agency (like FDA in the US). In order for something to be published for Interceed, a physician or group of physicians must do a clinical trial in women. The trial must be in a very controlled situation and it must be scientifically compared to IUD, balloon or nothing. These trials then must be completed with real patients, the data must be collected and analyzed then it must be published. Publishing can take up to a year in a reputable peer reviewed journal. Then the doctor who did the research can give a talk about his study at fertility or OB/Gyn conventions that take place on a yearly basis all over the world. Then after the work is published, education can begin to take place in hospitals etc. The education process and the clinical trials are very expensive and typically get done much quicker if the sponsor is a pharmaceutical or device company. Who makes interceed and are they running clinical trials? That would be my first line of attack to get research published in this area.

So, to answer your good question of why don't they just try interceed on us because if they don't we will never learn...doctors will almost never try anything new unless it has been proven in a controlled clinical trial that the drug or device or treatment works better. Clinical trials are expensive, big and difficult to plan and implement and it is much better to get a sponsor (such as the Interceed manufacturer) to foot the bill. Unfortunately, until this work gets done, doctors won't try it. And I kind of don't blame them either. I can say with most certainty (being a clinical trialest) that anecdotal evidence is not conclusive. Our bodies are extremely complex and variable and unless there is study that proves something, it is impossible to make conclusions. Our doctors, although frustrating, are being conservative and need proof before they try something on another human body. So, if we really want some proof, let's talk to the Interceed manufacturers.

Food for thought.

I have not heard of any figures in percentages but I'd say that even 1% is high when you consider in every 1000 women, 100 of them will have ashermans?

I agree!

[Guest guest]

IUI stands for IntraUterine Insemination. It is when the male's sperm

are collected and then deposited directly into the uterus to increase

the chance of fertilization. It is often used for those couples that are

dealing with some type of male factor infertility like a low sperm

count or a low motility level, but is also used for couples that have no

identifiable male problem but are still not getting pregnant.

Gwen

Re: fertility injectables or not???

>Hi . Thanks for all your input. My FSH and estradiol levels

>are within the normal range...forgot the exact numbers. Hard time

>deciding which is the best way...you're right about the

>mutiples...the doctor should be monitoring and mine said he would.

>Hard decision to make since my RE has assumed based on prior tests

>that my lining is fine and he'll check again as soon as possible. By

>the way what does IUI stand for, I assume it's the natural way of

>conceiving. Tahnks for your input. Guess, it's one of those things

>I need to decide on and make sure it's the correct path to follow.

>Thanks...

>

>

>

>> Hi ,

>> I think you will get lots of advice on this subject, so I thought

>I'd throw in my 2 cents as well.

>> Your RE is correct about the fertility drugs...it will get you

>there quicker.

>> My question is, what is your FSH and estradiol levels on Day 2 or 3

>of your cycle? If these levels are normal (I think FSH should be

>less than 8 and I can't remember what estradiol levels should be)

>then you shouldn't have a problem producing healthy eggs. And you

>may want to base your decision on whether you feel your lining really

>needs it etc.

>>

>> If the FSH level is above 8 and you have low estradiol levels, then

>fertility drugs will definitely get you pregnant quicker. As far as

>multiples, you will have a higher risk of multiples. But, if you are

>seeing a responsible fertility expert, he or she will minimize this

>as much as possible. We see a lot of news on the TV about women

>giving birth to 4 or more babies due to fertility treatments, but if

>you ask an RE about it they get very angry. They say that these

>women are being treated by their family doctors or their OBs and they

>don't know what they are doing. When you are given fertility

>injections (FSH) for IUI, REs usually start off at a lower dose and

>they check to see how many follicles (follicles burst and release the

>egg, that is ovulation) you are growing and what your estrodiol

>levels are in the mid-follicular portion of your cycle. They

>continue to check your follicles, count them and measure them every

>other day by ultrasound and they back off on FSH dose if you are

>producing too many follicles. They target 3 or 4 good follicles and

>then they give you HCG (another hormone injection) to make you

>ovulate. Then you have sex, or you may get artificially

>inseminated. Even by growing 3 or 4 follicles total, your chances of

>getting all 3 or 4 embryos implanted successfully are VERY small.

>The reason REs despise doctors like the one treating the McCoy's (the

>mother of seven babies) is because they either did not check how many

>follicles the woman had or they did see it under ultrasound and they

>went ahead and inseminated her after the HCG shot anyway. The McCoy

>mother must have had over a dozen follicles!

>>

>> Your chances to have twins may run about 10% (every RE has

>different statistics and I am quoting mine). Triplets are about 3%.

>My RE only has approximately 2-3 triplets a year. And he sees

>hundreds of couples per year at a thriving practice in San

>Francisco. Anyway, I could go on and on. I hope this is the

>information you were looking for.

>>

>> The facts and figures I quoted were from my own experience. Others

>may have had different experiences (like the number of follicles they

>had targeted for in IUI with fertility drugs). I did fertility

>drugs, both with IUI and IVF procedures. I had no problems with them

>and we were lucky to conceive one child with 4 embryos being

>implanted into my uterus. Good luck to you in whatever you decide.

>>

>> fertility injectables or not???

>>

>>

>> Hi everyone. I'ver been out of town for a bit and I was reading

>the

>> messages and have a question for anyone in this situation. In

>about

>> a week I need to decide whether to use ferility drugs or not.

>I'll

>> have to go head to start trying. My ob put me on clomid to get me

>> pregnant because it was taking longer, which come to find out was

>due

>> to his causing the asherman's after a D & C, it worked however I

>> miscarriged. Both my tubes are open and I have not had a problem

>> ovulating so that's why my RE said I shouldn't be on Clomid

>however

>> there are benefits with injectables...thickening the lining,

>insuring

>> a good egg, etc. and he would not hesitate using them since I'm

>33. I

>> would like to do so on our own however with all the premarin and

>> provera I think my body is a bit out of whack and the injectables

>may

>> help insure a pregancy sooner. My husband isn't concerned with

>the

>> cost unlike me so that's not too much a factor at this point

>however

>> I really don't want a litter of babies. Any thoughts are greatly

>> appreicated. Thanks!

>>

>>

>>

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You are correct, my mistake. I am thinking too fast. Thanks.

fertility injectables or not???> > > Hi everyone. I'ver been out of town for a bit and I was reading the > messages and have a question for anyone in this situation. In about > a week I need to decide whether to use ferility drugs or not. I'll > have to go head to start trying. My ob put me on clomid to get me > pregnant because it was taking longer, which come to find out was due > to his causing the asherman's after a D & C, it worked however I > miscarriged. Both my tubes are open and I have not had a problem > ovulating so that's why my RE said I shouldn't be on Clomid however > there are benefits with injectables...thickening the lining, insuring > a good egg, etc. and he would not hesitate using them since I'm 33. I > would like to do so on our own however with all the premarin and > provera I think my body is a bit out of whack and the injectables may > help insure a pregancy sooner. My husband isn't concerned with the > cost unlike me so that's not too much a factor at this point however > I really don't want a litter of babies. Any thoughts are greatly > appreicated. Thanks! > > >

[Guest guest]

Point of information - I think the second " I " in IUI stands for insemination and not injection so it

is Intrauterine Insemination. FYI.

Gwen

Re: Re: fertility injectables or not???

Hi ,

Once your brain has all the info, your heart will make the right decision. That's what I ended up using in the end, and it was right the right decision. Good luck and IUI stands for intrauterine injection. That's when they inject the man's sperm directly into your uterus. The fertilization takes place in your uterus or in your tubes as it normally would. Good luck again,

fertility injectables or not???> > > Hi everyone. I'ver been out of town for a bit and I was reading the > messages and have a question for anyone in this situation. In about > a week I need to decide whether to use ferility drugs or not. I'll > have to go head to start trying. My ob put me on clomid to get me > pregnant because it was taking longer, which come to find out was due > to his causing the asherman's after a D & C, it worked however I > miscarriged. Both my tubes are open and I have not had a problem > ovulating so that's why my RE said I shouldn't be on Clomid however > there are benefits with injectables...thickening the lining, insuring > a good egg, etc. and he would not hesitate using them since I'm 33. I > would like to do so on our own however with all the premarin and > provera I think my body is a bit out of whack and the injectables may > help insure a pregancy sooner. My husband isn't concerned with the > cost unlike me so that's not too much a factor at this point however > I really don't want a litter of babies. Any thoughts are greatly > appreicated. Thanks! > > >

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Poly,

I am so sorry for all the issues that you have had to deal with regarding

during your surgery and afterwards. I only hope that now that this is

behind you, that things will work out happily for you. I think it was

brave of you AND Dr. Magos to have used the Interceed and I really think it

was the right choice that you made - even though you felt it " slip out "

later. I really hope this surgery worked for you and that the estrogen

pumps up your lining and keeps it open! Good luck.

Leila - I hope your attempts work!!!!! Have fun trying to concieve.

- YEAH - A period - hope it's heavy and long!

Deb