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[Guest guest]

Hi,

After reading your post, I was wondering...can you tell me where the Great

Plains Lab is and how to find a doctor who uses it?

Thanks

Hucklbuk

Re: Re: Die Off

How do you know if you have leaky gut? Can you feel

it? Does it cause certain symptoms? Also, I talked

with a doctor who wants to do some kind of urine test,

which will be sent off to the Great Plains Lab in

Kansas. She says this will check for any products the

Candida produces. Has anyone else here ever had this

done? If anyone has, did you find it useful? I am

really afraid it will turn up negative, as all of the

cultures they have done in my mouth came up negative.

Does anyone know why the thrush doesn't seem to like

to culture? I find this puzzling, as the same doctor

who made the diagnosis did the culture. Unfortunately,

he was only a temp. doc and I had to go to my regular

physician, who I am convinced knows even less about

medicine than I do. Does anyone else here have

problems with Candida in the mouth? Or is everyone

else's mostly intestinal?

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

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--- kornbelt@... wrote:

> Treating candida can be quite a challenge, and

> involves a radical

> life change with respect to diet and stress,

> especially if you have

> leaky gut as well. You need to go at it

> systematically. Anyone who

> think s/he has candida should always get a

> comprehensive stool

> analysis done, as well as a intestinal permeability

> ( " leaky gut " )

> test. Great Smokies Laboratories is a good lab. (I

> don't buy into

> kinseology and iridology.) If you have leaky gut you

> will never feel

> better no matter if you " correct " the candida

> problem.

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[Guest guest]

A mannitol/lactulose test will reveal a leaky gut problem.

Here's a good source for this:

http://www.gsdl.com/assessments/findsystems/gastro.html

Your doctor will have to order it.

I suggest the CDSA and the parasitology test as well.

(No, I am not associated with Great Smoky Mountains Labs)

KB

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Liz,

I have had sinus problems off and on throughout my

life due to a pollup, or something like that. But

recently when I get a runny nose, it looks like the

same nasty stuff that plauges me in my mouth. I have

also been getting a lot of sinus headaches out of

nowhere, and when I lay down at night they kind of

tingle and feel funny (it's hard to explain). I know

that what's in my nose and throat is coming from my

sinuses (thanks to that pesky damn post-nasal drip). I

don't know if what you had is simular to the weird

tingle I experience, but it sounds kind of similar. I

guess everyone's reaction is a little bit different,

as I always seem to get the weird ones! But the part

that bothers me about the brain is that I heard you

can die from it that way.

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--- Rabbitbrain@... wrote:

>

> , could you explain what symptoms you had

>

> when you got it in your sinus? I had an episode I

> never

>

> had before. My sinuses started burning, also around

> my

>

> eyes. Is this a yeast attack that I experienced?

> Or was

>

> your symptoms different. I am very puzzled and it

> would

>

> help if you replied, thank you, LIZ

>

>

>

> I don't know if it could spread to our brain, but

> anyway the

>

> brain doesn't experience any pain. I have been

> wondering

>

> if a heavy yeast overgrowth is what causes

> Alzheimer.

>

>

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Hucklbuk,

This is hard to answer...I think the great plains

lab has a web site, though. If anyone knows the

address or has any sites that link to it, I would be

grateful for the info. The way I found out about my

doctor was through a friend of a friend type thing,

who referred me to a doctor in new york, who then gave

me a list of physicians in my area (california). Also,

I'm not sure how reliable it is, but there is a web

site that you can do a doctor search on...I found it

helpful. It's http://www.acam.org . There is a doctor

search somewhere, the way I found it was by going into

the 'public information' part, or something like that,

where it informed me that they have no public info,

but they do offer a doctor search. You can search for

a physician in your area that deals with what the site

classifies as YS (yeast syndrome). You could probably

call the doctor and ask what testing they offer. Hope

this helps, I don't know if you've seen the site yet

or not.

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--- Huckle Buck <hucklbuk@...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> After reading your post, I was wondering...can you

> tell me where the Great

> Plains Lab is and how to find a doctor who uses it?

> Thanks

>

> Hucklbuk

>

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[Guest guest]

, I am really glad someone else is experiencing

weird symptoms other than me. I do know there are

oodles of different varieties of fungus. Maybe we have

different kinds. I do get sinus headaches and sinus attacks

although mostly loose clear fluid. Some times bloody and

sometimes green. Talking about a weird tingle, I get that

in my upper back.

I had a really bad tingling episode in my lower back and

went to the doctors about it. This started about an hour

after I ate. The doctor never heard these symptoms but

wondered if it was H ployi. He told me to take 2 teaspoons

of Pepto Bismol 4 times a day. Before each meal for 2 weeks.

On days 3 & 4 I got a burning sensation where the tingling

was. And that was the end of that. BUT I still have it

in my shoulder blade. I just came from a visit with him today

and he is giving me a blood test for H plyori. I bet I have this

in my whole system. Something you may want to look into.

If H. plyori is in your blood stream it could colonize anywhere.

Any news I get regarding my gut, I'll post it here. It seams that

we may be suffering from more things than just Candida. But it's

Canida that sets the ball rolling toward other problems.

LIZ

Re: Re: Die Off

Liz,

I have had sinus problems off and on throughout my

life due to a pollup, or something like that. But

recently when I get a runny nose, it looks like the

same nasty stuff that plauges me in my mouth. I have

also been getting a lot of sinus headaches out of

nowhere, and when I lay down at night they kind of

tingle and feel funny (it's hard to explain). I know

that what's in my nose and throat is coming from my

sinuses (thanks to that pesky damn post-nasal drip). I

don't know if what you had is simular to the weird

tingle I experience, but it sounds kind of similar. I

guess everyone's reaction is a little bit different,

as I always seem to get the weird ones! But the part

that bothers me about the brain is that I heard you

can die from it that way.

***

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--- Rabbitbrain@... wrote:

>

> , could you explain what symptoms you had

>

> when you got it in your sinus? I had an episode I

> never

>

> had before. My sinuses started burning, also around

> my

>

> eyes. Is this a yeast attack that I experienced?

> Or was

>

> your symptoms different. I am very puzzled and it

> would

>

> help if you replied, thank you, LIZ

>

>

>

> I don't know if it could spread to our brain, but

> anyway the

>

> brain doesn't experience any pain. I have been

> wondering

>

> if a heavy yeast overgrowth is what causes

> Alzheimer.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Liz; i didn't know H-pylori could get into your system, i had that about 2yrs. ago & we got mine cleared up with Herbs. i was surprised because the surgeon said only antibiotics and bismol would clear it up. it never came back. mine was in the stomach & they did the scope and took a pc. thats how they found it. i get burning in my back, but i have parasites but don't know if they are there. Mog

[Guest guest]

Mog, I am learning as I go. When I mentioned to this new

doctor that I get gastritis attacks after eating sweets, It was

then than he nailed it to be H. plyori. I have no stomach

ulser. But he is going to leave it up to this Gastro-Doc to

find it. I was surprized there was a blood test. I also get

that tingling near my rib-cage. I believe I have parasites too

but they have not been found. If I can tackle this H. plyori

thing and get it out of the way, then they must listen to

logic!! Will post when I know more. LIZ

Liz; i didn't know H-pylori could get into your system, i had that about 2yrs. ago & we got mine cleared up with Herbs. i was surprised because the surgeon said only antibiotics and bismol would clear it up. it never came back. mine was in the stomach & they did the scope and took a pc. thats how they found it. i get burning in my back, but i have parasites but don't know if they are there. Mog Send blank message to candidiasis-unsubscribeonelist if you want to UNSUBSCRIBE !

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This sounds exactly like me!!!!!!!!!! I don't know what that tingle is...sometimes it almost feels like electromagnetic or something. I had that before I started changing my diet. My sinus troubles go back and forth. So right now it seems like infection, so I started elderberry to see if that will clear things up.

moons

<, I am really glad someone else is experiencing

weird symptoms other than me. I do know there are

oodles of different varieties of fungus. Maybe we have

different kinds. I do get sinus headaches and sinus attacks

although mostly loose clear fluid. Some times bloody and

sometimes green. Talking about a weird tingle, I get that

in my upper back.>

[Guest guest]

Yup - Pearl - sounds like you're 'right on track'.... you can really get

sick even without meds when you change the diet....amazing, isn't it?

wendy

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Is it possible to have die off without taking any meds? I have been on

the diet for 3 weeks, but real strict for 4 days and I feel horrible.

Pearl (NY)

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Pearly - have you any Slippery Elm herb?? Its best if you don't get it in

pills or lozenges. Get the herb loose - and mix a few heaping tbsp. with a

bit of whatever juice you can handle. Do this about 4x a day off and on and

your stomach pains will go away.

If you have IBS (irritable bowel) you need to get flax seeds - crush them

every other day or so (so they are fresh with nutrients) in your coffee

grinder - eat tbsp's of this off and on also all day - you will have normal

bowel movements and feel a lot better.

wendy

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Yup - Pearl - sounds like you're 'right on track'.... you can really get

sick even without meds when you change the diet....amazing, isn't it?

wendy >>>

I have what feels like a sinus headache , even my face hurts. I also am

having problems with my stomach . I feel awful !! I am glad I didn't

start the candida meds, and I am also glad that I have all of you to

talk to. Before this list, I have never told anyone that I have candida.

I tried....but they think it is some kind of a venereal disease...or

something contagious.

My own daughter doesn't even know.

By the way...I bought some Spelt noodles, can I have them now, in the

first week?

My palpitations are very slight now , so I don't want to rish it again.

Pearl (NY)

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Pearl: drink lots of water! do you have any good herbal fiber pills or powder? that helps also! hang in there & it will be over soon! Mog

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Pearl: drink lots of water! do you have any good herbal fiber pills or

powder? that helps also! hang in there & it will be over soon! Mog>>>>

Mog,

If I take the fiber pills....isn't that to make you have bowl movements?

I am already going too much. ( sorry ), or is it for something else?

Pearl (NY)

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[Guest guest]

Pearl,

forgive the question, but are your bowel movements a normal consistency, or are

they loose

or watery? Just wondering what you mean by 'too much'.

Jonah

PEARLY2@... wrote:

> Pearl: drink lots of water! do you have any good herbal fiber pills or

> powder? that helps also! hang in there & it will be over soon! Mog>>>>

>

> Mog,

> If I take the fiber pills....isn't that to make you have bowl movements?

> I am already going too much. ( sorry ), or is it for something else?

>

> Pearl (NY)

>

>

> Country Living at it's finest

> Countrylife

>

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Hi Amy! Welcome - I also homeschool... I don't have as many children as

you - mine are 16, 14, and almost 13 - been schooling at home for 10 years

this year.

I've had a lot of what you mention - esp. on the first die-off... one of the

things that may help your gas is food combining - eating proteins separate -

since they take longest to digest - and not eating them at the same time as

simple carbs (white flour, or fruits) which take short periods of time to

digest .... they get trapped together in the stomach and FERMENT. So.. that

might be something to think about...

If you're already doing that - the other thing is " leaky gut " which Jonah

has informed us there is a file uploaded to this egroup that is a book on

leaky gut - plus there is many sites on line...

wendy

Die off

First I should introduce myself. My name is Amy, I am 34, married to an

awesome husband and am the homeschooling mother of 10, ages 13-4 (8 adopted

from foster care). I have just recently realized that my medical problems

are probably resulting from candida overgrowth. I started using the Pure

Body Institute's " Natures Cleansing Program " 4 days ago. In addition I take

Pancreatin, Glandular Thymus, Glandular Pituitary, Glandular Thyroid,

Glandular Adrenal, Curcumin, Bromelain, DHEA and a Women's Stress Vitamin.

I also plan to add on HCl. My question is this. I am very nauseos and

today my ears have started itching like crazy. I also have terrible gas

(the burping kind). Are these normal symptoms of die off or am I not

tolerating this regimen? If its die off, how long does it usually take to

go away?

Amy

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Donna ((((hugs)))) you make me laugh... (in a *good* way!)

one step at a time... one 'day' at a time... you will learn. and you will

start. things always seem so BIG before we actually do them.

educate yourself as much as possible - there is a very large archive of

messages in this candidiasis group alone - not to mention sooo much on the

web. Start with basics ... and read, you will 'get it'! here's some good

sites:

http://www.garynull.com/Documents/Arthritis/art_of_getting_well_candida.htm

http://www.wholeapproach.com/

http://www.cfs-recovery.org/docdarren2.html

http://www.mrbean.net.au/~wlast/candida.htm

http://www.sheilas.com/newsletters/candida/html

die off

what is this die off, i am just beginning this and have no clue where to

start, without having a nervous breakdown.

Donna Jean

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glad i can m,ake someone laugh, cause it aint me>

ha ha

ok maybe i laughed a little

thanks for the encouragement

Donna Jean

[Guest guest]

Let's see...I added in more carbs after feeling like heck without

them. I am a stick right now and that's the only way I can keep from

losing more weight.

My first week went well. The second week all heck broke loose and I

threw up, had diarrhea, itchy facial rash, a hive here and there, weak

legs (maybe from no carbs), constant headache, irritability.

Good for you for controlling it better than I! I really wanted to get

the whole thing over with so I went to the anticandida diet cold

turkey.

> I have been almost perfect on the candida diet--once in a great

while some

> brown rice, popcorn, a piece of chocolate with malitol..and I'm not

really

> experiencing die-off..just sugar withdraw headaces, maybe some

burning in my

> nose, my ears don't hurt anymore. I'm on a second protocol of

> antifungals--this time they are herbal.

>

> What are your die-off symtoms?

[Guest guest]

My symptoms are flue-like. Mild depression.

It can include headaches for me to.

LIZ D

> [Original Message]

> From: <Cis64@...>

> <candidiasis >

> Date: 5/2/01 1:18:11 AM

> Subject: die off

>

> I have been almost perfect on the candida diet--once in a great while

some

> brown rice, popcorn, a piece of chocolate with malitol..and I'm not

really

> experiencing die-off..just sugar withdraw headaces, maybe some burning in

my

> nose, my ears don't hurt anymore. I'm on a second protocol of

> antifungals--this time they are herbal.

>

> What are your die-off symtoms?

>

--- rabbitbrain@...

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the " beauty " of the candida purge is the ingredients (and the way you take

them). The liquid bentonite will 'adsorb' the die off toxins... I did find

when I rotated to the GSE (grapefruit seed extract) that the die off seemed

to be stronger.

wendy

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Hi there

I have been on the candida purge for about 4 days now. I have not noticed

any die off at all. Is this normal?

Thanks

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you well feel like you have the flu to a degree and if you get to sick back

off your meds for a while but continue doing the diet! We all get better,

some i imagine will overcome all of it! Mog

[Guest guest]

Hello..

I have three books on Candida, and none specify die off symptoms. Have tried

to find this online, with no luck, but I am not computer savvy. Any online

web sites or books anyone suggest buying?

Thanks

Diane M from Florida

[Guest guest]

Hello...

May I ask what is the longest anyone has had in days with die off? Anyone

become real dizzy almost to a loss of balance?

Thanks

Diane M

[Guest guest]

Grapefruit tea is supposed to help assist the body eliminate die off

jen

[Guest guest]

Thank you TJ for answering my email.

Diane M

[Guest guest]

I'm guessing that cutting back to relieve die-off symptoms will not

ultimately prolong recovery. I'm thinking that keeping your body under as

little digestive stress as possible during this time is just as important as

beating back the Candida overgrowth.

What's the point of having less Candida growth if your body is so weakened

you can't sustain a long term recovery?

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From: lagunabrifly [mailto:brianflynn3@...]

Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 10:07 AM

Subject: [ ] die off

I'm one week on the program. If the die off symptoms are too

overwhelming and I lower the dosage does that just prolong the

recovery ?