Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Hi Mike, You mentioned that the RF carrier made an improvement in your pad device. I have been thinking of building one with a RF carrier but have been reading conflicting reports as to its effectiveness on various devices. Could you please give me an idea of the type of results you have had? > > > > Great news Mike, > > > > Are you planning on making your device available, or is it just for > your personal use ? > > > > I have plenty of free advertising space on the Frex web site. > > > > Regards, > > Ken > > Re: machine and how it works...? : Quality, not > Quantity may be the key > > > > > > Hi Ken, I feel that a carrier is a significant factor and from my > own > > research it appears to assist in deeper tissue penetration. While > my > > initial experiments were with a fixed carrier of 4Mhz I'm > currently > > working on making it adjustable to make it more pad friendly. I > > recently built a Rife/Bare device and was amazed at how powerful > an > > effect these machines have via the plasma tube. As I am only a > little > > over 12 months into Rife technology I have a long way to go to > catch > > up with all the other technical minded members of the group. > Having > > said that however, I am happy with the progression so far due to > the > > assistance of forum members. I'm getting excellent results from > my > > pad device which I have added a preamp to allow it to be used > with > > the smallest input signals and therefore make it compatible with > all > > laptop computers using your frex program. > > > > Mike F > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 asked several hundred cancer patients what they were doing about their condition. 40% admitted to using vitamins and supplements in addition to allopathic care. How many of them did not admit to using technology like Rife? How many of the others did not admit anything for fear of trouble? I do not think that amercans want to do anything that would require effort. Learning about rife, and nutrition is a full time job, and you cannot be watching television, and get well. I spoke to a lyme doc here on my visit to AZ and he said he does not know any client that rife worked on, even though he believed in it, and my reply is that he did not see anybody that tried. It takes at least 2 yrs of constant dicipline in both rifing, detox, and nutrition, saunas, and excercise, and most people would rather die in the doctors care by taking radiation and chemo.... Its like getting a new brain! I have know many sucessful people who are " new people " as a result of years of hard work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Hi Mike, thanks for your email. Nothing goes smoothly and looks like the doctor has to be involved as my mother is in a aged care home and they are nervous about alternative treatment. I will be carrying out tests on healthy tissue first (me) to be able to record voltage and current outputs. Types of bandages to use ( they talk of foam bandages) etc. etc. I was unable to use the relays I had, so had to use the 555 timer which seems to be working ok. There is a small drift due to standard components being used but I can't see how it can make much difference with such lengthy timing cycles. (value your comments regarding that) Will keep you informed of my results. With regard to the work done by Bjorn Nordenstrom I would appreciate receiving them when you can send them. Regards, Mike F > > > > Great news Mike, > > > > Are you planning on making your device available, or is it just for > your personal use ? > > > > I have plenty of free advertising space on the Frex web site. > > > > Regards, > > Ken > > Re: machine and how it works...? : Quality, not > Quantity may be the key > > > > > > Hi Ken, I feel that a carrier is a significant factor and from my > own > > research it appears to assist in deeper tissue penetration. While > my > > initial experiments were with a fixed carrier of 4Mhz I'm > currently > > working on making it adjustable to make it more pad friendly. I > > recently built a Rife/Bare device and was amazed at how powerful > an > > effect these machines have via the plasma tube. As I am only a > little > > over 12 months into Rife technology I have a long way to go to > catch > > up with all the other technical minded members of the group. > Having > > said that however, I am happy with the progression so far due to > the > > assistance of forum members. I'm getting excellent results from > my > > pad device which I have added a preamp to allow it to be used > with > > the smallest input signals and therefore make it compatible with > all > > laptop computers using your frex program. > > > > Mike F > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Hi zenalpha, Do you have a good link to the Cell-O-Matt? I couldn't find on that had a description or photo. Bil PC 1000 M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator http://magpulser.com Mammoth Lakes, CA mailto:magpulser@... z> I found the cell-o-matt device works well for me. The principal is z> that the copper blanket attracts the charges inside of your body and z> then grounds them. I no longer get shocked when picking up canned z> vegetables at the grocery store. z> Although I'm not too sure about the cell-o-matt's status in the US z> now... thought I remember seeing something on the internet about it z> being held by customs... z> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Bruce, thanks so much for taking the time for such a lengthy and thoughtful posting. I will certainly be trying my GB4000 without the carrier. The new group I started, The Healing Freqs, had planned to make a bunch of MWO's as a group project, but now you have freaked me out on a spark gap. Do you discourage the project completely or is there a way to make a MWO without a spark gap? We were on the verge of ordering parts so your help would be incredibly appreciated. And thanks for the approach you are taking so that the newbies like me don't jump off the cliff. You are demonstrating a very evolved nature in that you have not turned your back on the rest of us, but care enough to reach out and give us a hand. Thanks and blessings on you and all you do. lee > Friends, > > Much of this was previously discussed over the last 8-1/2 years on the various > Rife lists, starting back when Hawkins owned & ran the first Rife-List on > Eskimo.com. Hopefully I can reiterate a few points that will help all of those > who were not around when much of this foundational material was first > presented > to approach this subject from a broader perspective. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 No, I bought it from the website www.life-energies.com but I guess that site no longer exists... I do have a brochure, but I don't have a scanner anymore. In any event not sure if you can get it to the US anymore because of customs. It's basically looks sort of like copper chainmail with cloth interwoven around it. attached to one end is a place where you are supposed to attach a wire to a grounding device. It's large enough to encompass your torso roughly. I also have a CD called " computer clear " that claims to negate the negative electric magnetic energies around you. I definately feel something, but I only used it once. Not sure if it works or not. > > Hi zenalpha, > > Do you have a good link to the Cell-O-Matt? I couldn't find on > that had a description or photo. > > Bil > > PC 1000 > M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator > http://magpulser.com > Mammoth Lakes, CA > > > mailto:magpulser@... > > z> I found the cell-o-matt device works well for me. The principal is > z> that the copper blanket attracts the charges inside of your body and > z> then grounds them. I no longer get shocked when picking up canned > z> vegetables at the grocery store. > z> Although I'm not too sure about the cell-o-matt's status in the US > z> now... thought I remember seeing something on the internet about it > z> being held by customs... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Like I said: one of my sisters in law vaccinates her whole family for the flu every year. And every year most if not all of them get the flu anyway. She was over last night for my son's thirteenth birthday party and was not happy at all at seeing me out and about. You see, just yesterday morning I had gone through general anesthesia to have an internal stent removed (from the kidney to the bladder-the next to last reminder that I had had cancer), so I was supposed to be in bed full of pain killers, not helping out with the party. When the doctors told me I was terminal this girl had suggested for my kids to see a shrink to help out with the impending loss of their father. Because of course showing your family that you are willing to put up a fight is not healthier than accepting death. When I easily survived through last summer-and I was not supposed to-she started to say that the diagnosis (from Sloan and NY Hospital) was evidently wrong. She found out how much I spent on my EM+ and what supplements and vitamins I take every day, and has complained aloud that it is wasted money I should leave behind for my kids. Yesterday night she was finally told that my cancer markers are zero two months in a row, so of course she mentioned that the whole thing was definitely a scam on my part, which makes perfect sense: I left a job that paid me five grand a week to make people feel sorry for me. This girl had had twins through cesarean section and, when she turned out pregnant again she followed the doctor's advice to try and have a normal delivery instead of getting cut again. She lost the baby and almost died herself. Some people will fight to the last breath in their bodies as a matter of principle because reality goes against everything they've been taught. I just pray that if she ever has to face what my family did she has the humility and common sense to ask for help instead of counting on an allopathic " magic bullet " . Although I should perhaps lower my expectations: she has stopped talking to my other brother in law since she's found out that last month he eliminated his sciatica with ONE SESSION with my EM+... Luigi Re: machine and how it works...? : Quality, not Quantity may be the key > > asked several hundred cancer patients what they were doing about their > condition. 40% admitted to using vitamins and supplements in addition to > allopathic care. > How many of them did not admit to using technology like Rife? > How many of the others did not admit anything for fear of trouble? > > I do not think that amercans want to do anything that would require > effort. Learning about rife, and nutrition is a full time job, and you > cannot be watching television, and get well. I spoke to a lyme doc here > on my visit to AZ and he said he does not know any client that rife > worked on, even though he believed in it, and my reply is that he did > not see anybody that tried. It takes at least 2 yrs of constant > dicipline in both rifing, detox, and nutrition, saunas, and excercise, > and most people would rather die in the doctors care by taking radiation > and chemo.... Its like getting a new brain! > > I have know many sucessful people who are " new people " as a result of > years of hard work. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Bil Green wrote: > Hi Bruce, > > Thanks for your these replies. Very informative (as usual).And your posts are now so much easier to read too. Excellent translation (what happened?). Bil & friends, I spent about five hours composing that specific wording, in an attempt to make some rather complex aspects of plasma dynamics and bioenergetic interactions simpler for people to understand and relate to. Unfortunately, some technical aspects continue to defy simplifying to this level... and many health-challenged people are also affected with enough of the 'brain fog', so that comprehension and insight do not come easily to them. >BG On the subject of spark plugs, I feel that it may be at least > safe to use them for this reason. When you drive a car you are > exposed to nearby sparks from the distributor cap (at least on > some cars). And the use of most motor driven tools and > appliances. > > For many people this is a lot of exposure to low power RF (not to > mention the bombardment from all the transmitting towers). So an > hour or so with an EMEM and a low power spark doesn't seem so bad > by comparison. Sparks within the enclosure of the cylinder / combustion chamber are largely shielded and grounded within the engine- not the same case as in crude EMEM systems where a spark plug is fit in the open in the end of an ignition coil [grin]. Some of the EMF / RF energy / field, however, is radiated from the high voltage spark plug wires, and it is enough to constitute an added health stressor factor to some sensitive individuals- dramatically so in some cases according to some reports. I've come across reports (on the web) of some electro-sensitive individuals not being able to ride in most autos- not being able to handle even this low level of exposure to a common internal combustion spark ignition system without intolerable aggravation and deterioration of their sensitive condition, however. For those sensitized individuals, the older Mercedes diesel autos were the only vehicle in which they could tolerate riding. (Unlike gas fueled vehicles, diesel engines use NO ignition spark at all, but instead run on the detonation of the vaporized injected diesel fuel under high compression.) (Chemical sensitivity reactions become heightened in highly electro-sensitive individuals, too, however, so riding in traffic breathing the exhaust fumes from other vehicles- especially those from other diesel burning vehicles- becomes another major challenge in their attempt to get out of their homes to travel. (There might be links to related reports off my main Multiple Chemical Sensitivity / Environmental Illness/ Electrosensitivity page; I have not, however, added any new links to that page in quite a while, so also doing an extensive web search will undoubtedly provide you with access to a wealth of newer material.) There's a link from lower on my main web page into some of this material: http://www.stenulson.net/althealth Claessens recent post to this list should also be very helpful; you may want to look into his other writings- (there were links offered in his post.) O. Becker's last book, " Cross Currents: The Promise of Electromedecine, The Perils Of Electro-pollution " should be considered essential background reading material for anyone considering actually supplying ANY research equipment to any other researchers. The other book that should be considered essential reading is Dr. L. Oschman's book, " Energy Medicine- The Scientific Basis " . I urge anyone who has not read these two books to consider doing so. (Both can be ordered on Amazon.com; there's even a search box link into Amazon off my main page.) (When you start to think about it and contemplate the implications, it's really pretty scary to understand that a person who was previously leading a 'normal life' can somehow become extremely electro-sensitive from supposedly innocuous exposures. " Expecting " .... that you have not been inadvertently misled by 'people who claim to know' but who may never have followed this aspect of induced resonance research is a subtle trap many may have fallen into. The only way back out of that kind of trap is to investigate further for yourself- don't necessarily take my word, or anyone else's word on *anything* ) I wish each and every one of you the best of results in your research! Be Well!! bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Thanks Mike, I look forward to some photo's and a short discription :-) Regards, Ken Re: machine and how it works...? : Quality, not Quantity may be the key Hi Ken, the pad machine is available now to those who are unable to construct one themselves. I haven't costed it out yet but as it takes me about a day to build it would have to be somewhere around $A150.00 to make it worth my while. Bearing in mind at this stage I am more into research than manufacturing. I have just finished putting together a working model similar to the specs of the Electroregenisis machine and hope to carry out some tests this week. I'll send you some photos and details off group of the pad unit. Cheers Mike > > Great news Mike, > > Are you planning on making your device available, or is it just for your personal use ? > > I have plenty of free advertising space on the Frex web site. > > Regards, > Ken > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Hi Mike, I've dropped using the word " alternative " therapy for frequeny sessions, and now say " complementary " therapy. This has made people feel a lot easier about using frequency therapy. I found the results with frequency therapy are so much more enhanced when dove-tailed into other medical healing regimes and it becomes easier for people to accept frequency therapy when they are not expected to give up their Doctor. Regards, Ken Re: machine and how it works...? : Quality, not Quantity may be the key Hi Mike, thanks for your email. Nothing goes smoothly and looks like the doctor has to be involved as my mother is in a aged care home and they are nervous about alternative treatment. I will be carrying out tests on healthy tissue first (me) to be able to record voltage and current outputs. Types of bandages to use ( they talk of foam bandages) etc. etc. I was unable to use the relays I had, so had to use the 555 timer which seems to be working ok. There is a small drift due to standard components being used but I can't see how it can make much difference with such lengthy timing cycles. (value your comments regarding that) Will keep you informed of my results. With regard to the work done by Bjorn Nordenstrom I would appreciate receiving them when you can send them. Regards, Mike F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2006 Report Share Posted April 2, 2006 Why does it seem that family members are less accepting of this technology than strangers?? I have had some interesting and exciting conversations about this with many people I have come in contact with, but most of my family is a whole different story .... you'd think they would be thrilled that it works so well, but it seems like they are wanting it to not work. I have used it successfully on my lyme, and recently eliminated my 87-year-old aunt's bronchitis. She's ecstatic, but no one else seems to believe her either. Go figure. GE gailevans@... www.expertembroidery.com www.livingnow.net/gevans Re: Re: machine and how it works...? : Quality, not Quantity may be the key ....Although I should perhaps lower my expectations: she has stopped talking to my other brother in law since she's found out that last month he eliminated his sciatica with ONE SESSION with my EM+... Luigi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Hi Ken, I like " complimentary " wise thinking. MIke F > > Hi Mike, > > I've dropped using the word " alternative " therapy for frequeny sessions, and now say " complementary " therapy. > > This has made people feel a lot easier about using frequency therapy. > > I found the results with frequency therapy are so much more enhanced when dove-tailed into other medical healing regimes and it becomes easier for people to accept frequency therapy when they are not expected to give up their Doctor. > > Regards, > Ken > Re: machine and how it works...? : Quality, not Quantity may be the key > > > Hi Mike, thanks for your email. Nothing goes smoothly and looks like > the doctor has to be involved as my mother is in a aged care home and > they are nervous about alternative treatment. I will be carrying out > tests on healthy tissue first (me) to be able to record voltage and > current outputs. Types of bandages to use ( they talk of foam > bandages) etc. etc. > > I was unable to use the relays I had, so had to use the 555 timer > which seems to be working ok. There is a small drift due to standard > components being used but I can't see how it can make much difference > with such lengthy timing cycles. (value your comments regarding that) > Will keep you informed of my results. > > With regard to the work done by Bjorn Nordenstrom I would appreciate > receiving them when you can send them. > > Regards, Mike F > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 No problems Ken, we are losing power for 9 hours today while they do some upgrade. So no internet. Will send tomorrow. Mike F > > > > Great news Mike, > > > > Are you planning on making your device available, or is it just for > your personal use ? > > > > I have plenty of free advertising space on the Frex web site. > > > > Regards, > > Ken > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 It is all semantics, but one's MD is going to be more interested in something which is " Complementary " to his or her work, than he or she would be for an " Alternative " .. Remember that these folks have been taught for over 70 years that alternative is quackery. They can't be very happy, either, about drug after drug being recalled for serious - sometimes fatal - side effects!! Dave Felt Ken Uzzell wrote: >Hi Mike, > >I've dropped using the word " alternative " therapy for frequeny sessions, and now say " complementary " therapy. > >This has made people feel a lot easier about using frequency therapy. > >I found the results with frequency therapy are so much more enhanced when dove-tailed into other medical healing regimes and it becomes easier for people to accept frequency therapy when they are not expected to give up their Doctor. > >Regards, >Ken > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Gail , I think their response is related to wanting " to be right! " . To some people being right is much more important than achieving a desired result. A lot of people get great satisfaction in " being right " , regardless of the outcome. Regards , Mark ! > > Why does it seem that family members are less accepting of this technology than strangers?? I have had some interesting and exciting conversations about this with many people I have come in contact with, but most of my family is a whole different story .... you'd think they would be thrilled that it works so well, but it seems like they are wanting it to not work. > > I have used it successfully on my lyme, and recently eliminated my 87-year-old aunt's bronchitis. She's ecstatic, but no one else seems to believe her either. Go figure. > > GE > gailevans@... > www.expertembroidery.com > www.livingnow.net/gevans > > > Re: Re: machine and how it works...? : Quality, not Quantity may be the key > > ....Although I should perhaps lower my expectations: she has stopped talking to > my other brother in law since she's found out that last month he eliminated > his sciatica with ONE SESSION with my EM+... > Luigi > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Remember Gail that familiarity breeds contempt and a hero is never honoured in his own land. Yours, Ian Macleod snicksb wrote: Gail , I think their response is related to wanting " to be right! " . To some people being right is much more important than achieving a desired result. A lot of people get great satisfaction in " being right " , regardless of the outcome. Regards , Mark ! > > Why does it seem that family members are less accepting of this technology than strangers?? I have had some interesting and exciting conversations about this with many people I have come in contact with, but most of my family is a whole different story .... you'd think they would be thrilled that it works so well, but it seems like they are wanting it to not work. > > I have used it successfully on my lyme, and recently eliminated my 87-year-old aunt's bronchitis. She's ecstatic, but no one else seems to believe her either. Go figure. > > GE > gailevans@... > www.expertembroidery.com > www.livingnow.net/gevans > > > Re: Re: machine and how it works...? : Quality, not Quantity may be the key > > ....Although I should perhaps lower my expectations: she has stopped talking to > my other brother in law since she's found out that last month he eliminated > his sciatica with ONE SESSION with my EM+... > Luigi > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Hi, I view plasma ball as huge spark plug or spark gap inside ionizing gas environment. People who are electrosensitve can be identified positively by kinesiology muscle testing & might be using dowsing too. Healthy Regards, Gesi Re: Re: machine and how it works...? : Quality, not Quantity may be the key > Bil Green wrote: > >> Hi Bruce, >> >> Thanks for your these replies. Very informative (as usual).And > your posts are now so much easier to read too. Excellent > translation (what happened?). > > > Bil & friends, > > I spent about five hours composing that specific wording, in an attempt to > make > some rather complex aspects of plasma dynamics and bioenergetic > interactions > simpler for people to understand and relate to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 This seems to be commonplace and I don't understand why this happens, however, it reminds me of scripture. Mark 6:4 4 But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house. (KJV) jra Re: Re: machine and how it works...? : Quality, not > Quantity may be the key > > ....Although I should perhaps lower my expectations: she has stopped > talking to > my other brother in law since she's found out that last month he > eliminated > his sciatica with ONE SESSION with my EM+... > Luigi > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Bil Green wrote: > For many people this is a lot of exposure to low power RF (not to > mention the bombardment from all the transmitting towers). So an > hour or so with an EMEM and a low power spark doesn't seem so bad > by comparison. I know, the less RF pollution the better. It saddens me that you appear to have missed the points of my extensive article completely... I certainly have no desire to offend you, so I want to respectfully suggest that you reread it, and search widely elsewhere for further information on the aspects that I might not have expanded upon sufficiently. >BG " Doesn't Seem Bad By Comparison " ??? I do advocate precautions; the " First, Do No Harm " concept put forth by Hippocrates has always seemed a valid baseline from which to approach this research- especially when someone might be contemplating placing experimental equipment into the hands of health-challenged individuals who's condition may possibly be *severely compromised* by even one more added 'Stressor Factor' Maybe someone else can put it simpler words yet... and maybe it's just a message that some people simply don't want to consider. I just got off the phone with from Toronto, however- he called while I was trying to compose this message. is one of those unfortunate individuals who has had Lyme for a long time, & who recently tried to use " Rife " equipment (devices made by other people out there) as his last hope. In hopes of gaining some benefit, he ran it a lot; In using the equipment he bought, he has now become so extensively electro-sensitive (as well as also being very chemically sensitive) that he can not even stand to turn on ANY of his devices- can NOT even have it turned on long enough to set one of the Beneficial frequencies. (This is with the RF carrier turned off, not using the amplifier, and with the output amplitude still at zero... pretty scary that someone can become THAT sensitive in a moderately short period of time...) His condition was so aggravated by the previous " rife " exposures, that he now finds riding in a normal car is very damaging (ignition system EMF / RF), and almost intolerable. Even trying to use his cordless rechargeable Braun shaver now aggravates his condition with about 30 seconds of turning it on- he will have to learn to shave with a blade again.... The scary part: he was not noticably electro-sensitive as recently as about four months ago- his condition has gone this far downhill since then while trying to use the 'rife' equipment. Since he can no longer even tolerate turning on his 'rife' equipment, he's close to giving up... he's been pushed that far down the descending spiral. I told him that, in his present condition, that he is too sensitive to use most of the equipment which I offer researchers, too- he's gone too far. I advised him that unless he can find a way to get out of his present living environment, remove himself from the possible constant health stressor factors which he may be unable to recognize but which are a part of living in the middle of a polluted metropolitan area,, that simply ceasing using the equipment that contributed to his severe deterioration will not in itself be enough to allow him to regain some semblance of a 'normal life.' But I did try to offer him a variety of alternative approaches to implement, and give him some grounds for hope. But unless he adopts a very rigorous attitude of " Prudent Avoidance " from this moment forward, the outlook is not overly promising for - he's now a long way beyond the easy turnaround point. So Bil, in consideration of what we KNOW is happening to a growing number of people like , are you still seriously thinking it would be just fine to advocate and sell equipment that can so rapidly do this type of damage to someone who comes to you desperate for help? - Especially when we ALREADY KNOW from years of research that the damaging aspects are not only *unnecessary*, but are also reported by reputable sources to REDUCE effectiveness, to REDUCE the body's receptiveness? I find it difficult to believe that you would be, in light of all that's known today, but after your recent postings, I'm sure that others are left wondering too. (Sorry to put you on the spot, but between your post, and then 's desperation call, it became painfully obvious that it's past time, viewed from his precarious position, to serve up a meal of 'roasted sacred cow'.) Food for thought...) I wish each and every one of you the best of results and insights in your research!!! Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 Hi Bil, It's important you pay attention to Bruce Stenuslon's comments. If you go transmitting uncontrolled and unknown RF onto people, then you could be outputting frequencies and harmonics in the mid 400MHz range, and we all know that stimulates cancer cell growth. It's important researchers have absolute control over the frequencies and associated harmonics these machines create. Regards, Ken Re: Re: machine and how it works...? : Quality, not Quantity may be the key Bil Green wrote: > For many people this is a lot of exposure to low power RF (not to > mention the bombardment from all the transmitting towers). So an > hour or so with an EMEM and a low power spark doesn't seem so bad > by comparison. I know, the less RF pollution the better. It saddens me that you appear to have missed the points of my extensive article completely... I certainly have no desire to offend you, so I want to respectfully suggest that you reread it, and search widely elsewhere for further information on the aspects that I might not have expanded upon sufficiently. >BG " Doesn't Seem Bad By Comparison " ??? I do advocate precautions; the " First, Do No Harm " concept put forth by Hippocrates has always seemed a valid baseline from which to approach this research- especially when someone might be contemplating placing experimental equipment into the hands of health-challenged individuals who's condition may possibly be *severely compromised* by even one more added 'Stressor Factor' Maybe someone else can put it simpler words yet... and maybe it's just a message that some people simply don't want to consider. I just got off the phone with from Toronto, however- he called while I was trying to compose this message. is one of those unfortunate individuals who has had Lyme for a long time, & who recently tried to use " Rife " equipment (devices made by other people out there) as his last hope. In hopes of gaining some benefit, he ran it a lot; In using the equipment he bought, he has now become so extensively electro-sensitive (as well as also being very chemically sensitive) that he can not even stand to turn on ANY of his devices- can NOT even have it turned on long enough to set one of the Beneficial frequencies. (This is with the RF carrier turned off, not using the amplifier, and with the output amplitude still at zero... pretty scary that someone can become THAT sensitive in a moderately short period of time...) His condition was so aggravated by the previous " rife " exposures, that he now finds riding in a normal car is very damaging (ignition system EMF / RF), and almost intolerable. Even trying to use his cordless rechargeable Braun shaver now aggravates his condition with about 30 seconds of turning it on- he will have to learn to shave with a blade again.... The scary part: he was not noticably electro-sensitive as recently as about four months ago- his condition has gone this far downhill since then while trying to use the 'rife' equipment. Since he can no longer even tolerate turning on his 'rife' equipment, he's close to giving up... he's been pushed that far down the descending spiral. I told him that, in his present condition, that he is too sensitive to use most of the equipment which I offer researchers, too- he's gone too far. I advised him that unless he can find a way to get out of his present living environment, remove himself from the possible constant health stressor factors which he may be unable to recognize but which are a part of living in the middle of a polluted metropolitan area,, that simply ceasing using the equipment that contributed to his severe deterioration will not in itself be enough to allow him to regain some semblance of a 'normal life.' But I did try to offer him a variety of alternative approaches to implement, and give him some grounds for hope. But unless he adopts a very rigorous attitude of " Prudent Avoidance " from this moment forward, the outlook is not overly promising for - he's now a long way beyond the easy turnaround point. So Bil, in consideration of what we KNOW is happening to a growing number of people like , are you still seriously thinking it would be just fine to advocate and sell equipment that can so rapidly do this type of damage to someone who comes to you desperate for help? - Especially when we ALREADY KNOW from years of research that the damaging aspects are not only *unnecessary*, but are also reported by reputable sources to REDUCE effectiveness, to REDUCE the body's receptiveness? I find it difficult to believe that you would be, in light of all that's known today, but after your recent postings, I'm sure that others are left wondering too. (Sorry to put you on the spot, but between your post, and then 's desperation call, it became painfully obvious that it's past time, viewed from his precarious position, to serve up a meal of 'roasted sacred cow'.) Food for thought...) I wish each and every one of you the best of results and insights in your research!!! 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Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Re: from Toronto, however- he called while I was trying to compose this message. And: " is one of those unfortunate individuals who has had Lyme for a long time, & who recently tried to use " Rife " equipment (devices made by other people out there) as his last hope. In hopes of gaining some benefit, he ran it a lot; In using the equipment he bought, he has now become so extensively electro-sensitive (as well as also being very chemically sensitive) that he can not even stand to turn on ANY of his devices " Look I think the words above and below need a bit more serious investigation... Is it possible that we could have some more info on exactly wot was using and how he did his sessions....Thanks..wondering Noel > > > For many people this is a lot of exposure to low power RF (not to > > mention the bombardment from all the transmitting towers). So an > > hour or so with an EMEM and a low power spark doesn't seem so bad > > by comparison. I know, the less RF pollution the better. > > It saddens me that you appear to have missed the points of my extensive article > completely... I certainly have no desire to offend you, so I want to > respectfully suggest that you reread it, and search widely elsewhere for further > information on the aspects that I might not have expanded upon sufficiently. > > >BG " Doesn't Seem Bad By Comparison " ??? > > I do advocate precautions; the " First, Do No Harm " concept put forth by > Hippocrates has always seemed a valid baseline from which to approach this > research- especially when someone might be contemplating placing experimental > equipment into the hands of health-challenged individuals who's condition may > possibly be *severely compromised* by even one more added 'Stressor Factor' > > Maybe someone else can put it simpler words yet... and maybe it's just a message > that some people simply don't want to consider. > > I just got off the phone with from Toronto, however- he called while I was > trying to compose this message. is one of those unfortunate individuals who > has had Lyme for a long time, & who recently tried to use " Rife " equipment > (devices made by other people out there) as his last hope. In hopes of gaining > some benefit, he ran it a lot; In using the equipment he bought, he has now > become so extensively electro-sensitive (as well as also being very chemically > sensitive) that he can not even stand to turn on ANY of his devices- can NOT > even have it turned on long enough to set one of the Beneficial frequencies. > (This is with the RF carrier turned off, not using the amplifier, and with the > output amplitude still at zero... pretty scary that someone can become THAT > sensitive in a moderately short period of time...) His condition was so > aggravated by the previous " rife " exposures, that he now finds riding in a > normal car is very damaging (ignition system EMF / RF), and almost intolerable. > Even trying to use his cordless rechargeable Braun shaver now aggravates his > condition with about 30 seconds of turning it on- he will have to learn to shave > with a blade again.... > > The scary part: he was not noticably electro-sensitive as recently as about four > months ago- his condition has gone this far downhill since then while trying to > use the 'rife' equipment. > > Since he can no longer even tolerate turning on his 'rife' equipment, he's close > to giving up... he's been pushed that far down the descending spiral. > > I told him that, in his present condition, that he is too sensitive to use most > of the equipment which I offer researchers, too- he's gone too far. I advised > him that unless he can find a way to get out of his present living environment, > remove himself from the possible constant health stressor factors which he may > be unable to recognize but which are a part of living in the middle of a > polluted metropolitan area,, that simply ceasing using the equipment that > contributed to his severe deterioration will not in itself be enough to allow > him to regain some semblance of a 'normal life.' But I did try to offer him a > variety of alternative approaches to implement, and give him some grounds for hope. > > But unless he adopts a very rigorous attitude of " Prudent Avoidance " from this > moment forward, the outlook is not overly promising for - he's now a long > way beyond the easy turnaround point. > > So Bil, in consideration of what we KNOW is happening to a growing number of > people like , are you still seriously thinking it would be just fine to > advocate and sell equipment that can so rapidly do this type of damage to > someone who comes to you desperate for help? - Especially when we ALREADY KNOW > from years of research that the damaging aspects are not only *unnecessary*, but > are also reported by reputable sources to REDUCE effectiveness, to REDUCE the > body's receptiveness? I find it difficult to believe that you would be, in light > of all that's known today, but after your recent postings, I'm sure that others > are left wondering too. > > (Sorry to put you on the spot, but between your post, and then 's > desperation call, it became painfully obvious that it's past time, viewed from > his precarious position, to serve up a meal of 'roasted sacred cow'.) > > Food for thought...) > > I wish each and every one of you the best of results and insights in your > research!!! > > Bruce > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Dear , where do you get the 19-25% rf sensitivity data? And for the 75-81% who are not sensitive, is there any reliable data that short term exposure can cuase sensitivity? Thanks, lee > Hello Jeff, > > you wrote: > *There are a few people who have RF sensitivity but the percentage is very >> > low. I don't see it to be that big of a problem for the majority of the >> > people who use RF frequencies*. > > I just mentioned that quite a lot of people have RF Sensitivity, and that > the percentage is high (19-25 %). > But thatr most people are not hindered by Rife machines. > > Greetings, > Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > > * . > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 I used to have an EMEM3D with spark gap and also Bruce's machine. the spark gap seems to scatter the power of the device amoung multiple frequencies. Although it covers more range, it seems to be not as effective or as powerful as Bruce's machine. I personally never received a " herx " from either machine. The only time I got definitive results was when I dialed in something in the salmonella frequency in Bruce's machine and felt a tingling sensation in the area around my liver for a while - and then it left. With Wade's 10B I just turn it on and boom - first few times I got definiate results. Stuff comes out to the toilet... that's why I like his machine.. no guess work or anything. Just results. > > Hi Bruce, > > I did go through your entire e-mail, regarding the spark gap. > > The only reason I would add a spark as an OPTION is because some > people have been reported to benefit from this. People reading > your post need not be very concerned, since they don't have to > use the option (and they can even request that it not be included > in their model). > > If there are too many people who are electrosensitive I will not > add the spark function to any models. I do appreciate your > advice. > > I don't recall in your recent posts your mention of just > how many sick people are very sensitive to very low levels of RF. > > This is an important consideration regarding this subject. > > It there is only one out of a thousand clients that can't handle > the low RF from the spark gap, then adding it may be a good > thing. We are always dealing with odds. Such is life. I want the > best for my clients, and if adding the spark will cause too much > trouble, then it won't happen. > > > BKS> I wish each and every one of you the best of results and insights in your > BKS> research!!! > > BKS> Bruce > > > > > BKS> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 silverlofts wrote: > Re: from Toronto, however- he called while I was trying to > compose this message. > And: > " is one of those unfortunate individuals who has had Lyme for a > long time, & who recently tried to use " Rife " equipment (devices made > by other people out there) as his last hope. In hopes of gaining some > benefit, he ran it a lot; In using the equipment he bought, he has > now become so extensively electro-sensitive (as well as also being > very chemically sensitive) that he can not even stand to turn on ANY > of his devices " > > Look I think the words above and below need a bit more serious > investigation... > Is it possible that we could have some more info on exactly wot > was using and how he did his sessions....Thanks..wondering Noel Noel, I certainly agree with you when you say that this report of my conversation with in Toronto needs more serious investigation. When he called, I asked him to try to write out a report of this in as detailed a form as possible... and his response shed further light on just how serious his condition has become. said that even going near a computer is now completely out of the question for him. (He can no longer be near enough to his TV to watch it- can not stand to have it turned on anywhere near him-, and is wondering about whether he might be able to be around an LCD TV. He said that the TV & radio were the only things left that he can possibly enjoy in life, and the plug-in radio is now also something he can not be near any more. I recommended trying running it on batteries, to eliminate exposure to the 60 Hz Magnetic field from the power supply.) He said he would ask his mother to write out a report for him, because, with his heightened chemical sensitivity, he now can not even stand to place his hand on a piece of paper to write with a pencil himself- " The chemicals in the paper bother me too much " .... (Are you starting to get the picture of how severely this guy's life has been devastated?) How did he ever get this far without stopping using the equipment? Because, like many Lyme sufferers, he believed it when he was told by others who are supposedly 'in the know', " IF YOU MAKE YOURSELF FEEL BAD WHEN YOU RIFE, YOU ARE DOING YOURSELF GOOD " - that " YOU HAVE TO 'HERX' TO HELP YOURSELF " ... and the poor guy fell for it as gospel, kept making himself feel like crap over and over in the hopes that he was holding the Lyme at bay by doing so.... He says that he had previously used, and had to stop using each and every one of the antibiotics used for Lyme but one now, and he knows the this one is expected to produce side effects after using it for a while so that he will no longer be able to use this last one, either... The " RIFEING " was his last hope in a long battle. And now that hope has been taken away from him, too.... He confessed to having been considering 'euthanasia' recently, but was feeling a bit better from talking with me, because I had several suggestions for him to act on to improve his life, eliminate several environmental stressor exposure factors, and possibly thereby to hold his ground from deteriorating any further, and possibly begin to gradually recover a bit at a time. So at this time, all we can do is to see if he is successful in getting a report written by his mother, and has it mailed to me. I promised him that I would pass along his story in his own words, so that others already facing health challenges can hopefully learn from it and be more cautious. > > >> >> >>> " For many people this is a lot of exposure to low power RF (not to >>>mention the bombardment from all the transmitting towers). So an >>>hour or so with an EMEM and a low power spark doesn't seem so bad >>>by comparison. I know, the less RF pollution the better. " BKS Previous message in reply: It saddens me that you appear to have missed the points of my extensive article completely... I certainly have no desire to offend you, so I want to respectfully suggest that you reread it, and search widely elsewhere for further information on the aspects that I might not have expanded upon sufficiently. >BG " Doesn't Seem Bad By Comparison " ??? I do advocate precautions; the " First, Do No Harm " concept put forth by Hippocrates has always seemed a valid baseline from which to approach this research- especially when someone might be contemplating placing experimental equipment into the hands of health-challenged individuals who's condition may possibly be *severely compromised* by even one more added 'Stressor Factor' Maybe someone else can put it simpler words yet... and maybe it's just a message that some people simply don't want to consider. I just got off the phone with from Toronto, however- he called while I was trying to compose this message. is one of those unfortunate individuals who has had Lyme for a long time, & who recently tried to use " Rife " equipment (devices made by other people out there) as his last hope. In hopes of gaining some benefit, he ran it a lot; In using the equipment he bought, he has now become so extensively electro-sensitive (as well as also being very chemically sensitive) that he can not even stand to turn on ANY of his devices- can NOT even have it turned on long enough to set one of the Beneficial frequencies. (This is with the RF carrier turned off, not using the amplifier, and with the output amplitude still at zero... pretty scary that someone can become THAT sensitive in a moderately short period of time...) His condition was so aggravated by the previous " rife " exposures, that he now finds riding in a normal car is very damaging (ignition system EMF / RF), and almost intolerable. Even trying to use his cordless rechargeable Braun shaver now aggravates his condition with about 30 seconds of turning it on- he will have to learn to shave with a blade again.... The scary part: he was not noticeably electro-sensitive as recently as about four months ago- his condition has gone this far downhill since then while trying to use the 'rife' equipment. Since he can no longer even tolerate turning on his 'rife' equipment, he's close to giving up... he's been pushed that far down the descending spiral. I told him that, in his present condition, that he is too sensitive to use most of the equipment which I offer researchers, too- he's gone too far. I advised him that unless he can find a way to get out of his present living environment, remove himself from the possible constant health stressor factors which he may be unable to recognize but which are a part of living in the middle of a polluted metropolitan area,, that simply ceasing using the equipment that contributed to his severe deterioration will not in itself be enough to allow him to regain some semblance of a 'normal life.' But I did try to offer him a variety of alternative approaches to implement, and give him some grounds for hope. But unless he adopts a very rigorous attitude of " Prudent Avoidance " from this moment forward, the outlook is not overly promising for - he's now a long way beyond the easy turnaround point. So Bil, in consideration of what we KNOW is happening to a growing number of people like , are you still seriously thinking it would be just fine to advocate and sell equipment that can so rapidly do this type of damage to someone who comes to you desperate for help? - Especially when we ALREADY KNOW from years of research that the damaging aspects are not only *unnecessary*, but are also reported by reputable sources to REDUCE effectiveness, to REDUCE the body's receptiveness? I find it difficult to believe that you would be, in light of all that's known today, but after your recent postings, I'm sure that others are left wondering too. (Sorry to put you on the spot, but between your post, and then 's desperation call, it became painfully obvious that it's past time, viewed from his precarious position, to serve up a meal of 'roasted sacred cow'.) Food for thought...) I wish each and every one of you the best of results and insights in your research!!! 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Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Hi zenalpha, Thanks for your reply. Sorry to hear that the spark didn't work for you. Of course it depends partly on how the EMEM3 was built (which coils used, etc.). Also the duty cycle, ballast resistor value (if any), which plasma tube, and of course the frequency sets. Was the device used in the contact mode... (with feet on a grounded plate). So many variables which can effect the results. Bil PC 1000 M-Pulse 5000 magnetic pulse generator http://magpulser.com Mammoth Lakes, CA mailto:magpulser@... z> I used to have an EMEM3D with spark gap and also Bruce's machine. z> the spark gap seems to scatter the power of the device amoung multiple z> frequencies. Although it covers more range, it seems to be not as z> effective or as powerful as Bruce's machine. z> I personally never received a " herx " from either machine. The only z> time I got definitive results was when I dialed in something in the z> salmonella frequency in Bruce's machine and felt a tingling sensation z> in the area around my liver for a while - and then it left. z> With Wade's 10B I just turn it on and boom - first few times I z> got definiate results. Stuff comes out to the toilet... that's why I z> like his machine.. no guess work or anything. Just results. z> >> >> Hi Bruce, >> >> I did go through your entire e-mail, regarding the spark gap. >> >> The only reason I would add a spark as an OPTION is because some >> people have been reported to benefit from this. People reading >> your post need not be very concerned, since they don't have to >> use the option (and they can even request that it not be included >> in their model). >> >> If there are too many people who are electrosensitive I will not >> add the spark function to any models. I do appreciate your >> advice. >> >> I don't recall in your recent posts your mention of just >> how many sick people are very sensitive to very low levels of RF. >> >> This is an important consideration regarding this subject. >> >> It there is only one out of a thousand clients that can't handle >> the low RF from the spark gap, then adding it may be a good >> thing. We are always dealing with odds. Such is life. I want the >> best for my clients, and if adding the spark will cause too much >> trouble, then it won't happen. >> >> >> BKS> I wish each and every one of you the best of results and z> insights in your >> BKS> research!!! >> >> BKS> Bruce >> >> >> >> >> BKS> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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