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It's " Nambudripad's Allergy Elimination technique " He tested all my

acupuncture points and said I had candida. I even told him that I had a

stool test and a candida antibody test that both came back negative and he

said you can get false negatives. He is using NAET to clear my food

allergies.

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>What is a NAET?

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All,

This description of NAET sounds a bit like the " meridian stress " testing that I

got a few weeks ago. Some of you might recall that I finally found a doctor who

would give me AP (and not laugh about it!) but that I was a bit uncomfortable

with some of her " alternative " ideas. One of the things that has made me most

uncomfortable was a " nutrionist " in her office that she refered me to.

This guy did the " meridian stress " test using a computer. He touched this

pen-like device that was attached to his computer to different points on my

hands

and feet (supposed the energy channels (qi?) in Chinese medicine). Through this,

he could supposedly determine what parts of me were in or out of balance. The

results were that my joints were very out of balance, my liver was slightly out

of balance and that I had allergies (this made my doctor put me on a regimen for

fixing leaky gut). Interesting I guess except that this guy knew I had RA and

the

allergy thing was on my information sheet, so I am skeptical.And in my CBC my

liver tests were all normal, so I don't know about the liver thing.

But anyhow, the clincher is that he had these little vials of supplements that

he

placed on a platform attached to the computer and then touched the relevant

points on my hands and feet again, to determine if the supplement would

" balance "

it! So I bought some of these supplements and he said I should see results in 10

days - dumb me didn't ask what he meant by results. After about 3 weeks, I ran

into him at the doctor's office while getting my IV's and told him I didn't feel

any differently and he said it would take a lot longer than 3 weeks! So I

reminded him of what he said earlier and he hemmed and hawed a bit and said well

that was just best-case...which he didn't say the first time around. So you can

see why I think this is all a bit of a scam.

Now my doctor wants me to see him again to be tested for food allergies - sounds

like the NAET except you say it's not for testing? It seems inconceivable to me

that this gizmo can determine if I have allergies to specific foods....

Anyhow, anyone have a similar experience? I feel pretty stupid about this....

Regards,

Quanyin9@... wrote:

> I want to clear up some misconceptions about NAET. This is not primarily a

> protocol to do allergy testing; it is rather a way to desensitize the patient

> to a known allergen. NAET practitioners have small test vials of allergens

> that range from prednisone to dust to eggs to bacteria. When a patient comes

> for the treatment (unless you as the patient are seeing one of the very few

> practitioners who has the $20,000 computer which can give you a pretty

> comprehensive rundown on what substances weaken you) the practitioner uses

> the little vials to do muscle testing or applied kenisiology. The protocol

> calls for " clearing " of a certain 10 groups of food before you even get to

> the. Let's assume you are " cleared " to the initial foods and you want to

> start hypothetically prednisone. You would either have your practitioner

> muscle test you (see if prednisone either as NAET vial or as the drug itself

> weakens you), if you test " weak " you then hold the pred vial or pill in your

> hand and a protocol treatment begins. This involves " activating " areas along

> the spine and if your practitioner is an acupuncturist, you will then receive

> a treatment, still holding the vial or pill, that includes liver three and

> Large Intestine 4. You are then asked to stay away from the cleared

> substance for 25 hours. I have seen this work wonders with cat hair, mold,

> antibiotics, foods, etc. It is not a method to test for allergies, but to

> clear them.

>

> Geoff, in regard to hair analysis, do you by chance mean Great Smokies lab

> rather than Smokey Mountain lab. Great Smokies is one of the most

> comprehensive labs that tests for a number of things that are rather

> " alternative " such as intestinal permeability, parasites. allergens, etc.

>

> If you have any specific questions about NAET or even Great SMokies, feel

> free to e-mail me,

>

> Melinda

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Hi !

The doctor I see first sent me to a naturopath, who did tests with a machine

that sound pretty much the same as the one you have had. I saw her just

before I saw the doctor and started on AP, so she did not have a medical

history other than any information I was able to provide her with. She came

up with a number of food intolerances, and prescribed a no dairy, no wheat,

no wine, no chocolate, no onions or garlic, minimal fats and sugars diet for

me, which I have now been on for two and a half months. She also spotted a

goitre which her tests said was iodine deficiency and gave me drops for - it

has improved in a big way over the past couple of months!! Unusually, she

also tested medications on me to see which would work, and which would have

side effects (she tested for methotrexate alternatives as well as different

antibiotics according to AP). She didn't try to sell me a heap of other

stuff - all I bought was the drops (which were cheap) - and didn't talk a lot

of babble. Although I am usually pretty sceptical, I do feel better in

myself now that I am on the diet (although I am herxing at the same time).

No, I don't really understand why these tests are meant to work either, but I

was impressed by the naturopath I saw. Maybe it all depends a bit on the

practitioner??? I don't know really.

Lara

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Hi Gloria,

The naturopath didn't call the testing NAET, but had a brochure describing it

as Bio-Electronic Functional Analysis. But it sounds like what you had done,

with the pen-like device and substances being introduced into the electrical

circuit. She used small vials of different substances, whether food

substances or medications, at the same dosages as you would normally take

them. She also made me take along all the medications I was currently

taking, whether vitamins, contraceptive pill, herbs, supplements, or

precriptions, to test them as well and to test other substances in

conjunction with them.

My goitre is what has improved in a big way.

It is still too early to tell with the arthritis and pain.

However, my general health has improved dramatically - no headaches in the

time I've been on the diet (they used to be at least weekly), vastly improved

digestive health (very regular and easy #2), and my pimples (at the age of

31!!) are also going.

I will keep you informed as I go along. Because I am only in the early

stages of AP it becomes difficult to tell what is due to diet, what is due to

herxing, and what is just plain old RA. But I'm keeping my journal, so I

should build up an overall picture. I'll let you know!!

Lara

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Hello again Gloria,

I forgot to say the results of my medication tests. For me, she said that

plaquenil would be as effective as methotrexate (she did say the methotrexate

worked well on suppressing my RA symptoms, but also said what organs were

being affected by it), that minocycline should be effective, that clindamycin

would also work, and that clindamycin IV's would be good. There were a

number of other antibiotic options that her tests rejected in terms of their

effectiveness, and she also said that sulfur drugs would be particularly bad

for my system (so much for the salazopyrine!!). She also rejected the

spices/herbs that the chinese medicine practitioner I had been seeing had

given me, other than one bottle of pills (manufactured in China) that were

for PMT that she did consider effecticve for me. All quite interesting! (I

am not seeing the Chinese medicine practitioner now that I am on AP - one

treatment protocol at a time is enough for me!!)

I hope that this helps a little. It can all be very confusing (to me,

anyway!!)

Lara

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Hi Melinda! Geoff Crenshaw here.

You wrote:

Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:58:24 EDT

From: Quanyin9@...

Subject: NAET

<< I want to clear up some misconceptions about NAET. This is not

primarily a

protocol to do allergy testing; it is rather a way to desensitize the

patient

to a known allergen. NAET practitioners have small test vials of

allergens

that range from prednisone to dust to eggs to bacteria. When a patient

comes

for the treatment (unless you as the patient are seeing one of the very

few

practitioners who has the $20,000 computer which can give you a pretty

comprehensive rundown on what substances weaken you) the practitioner

uses

the little vials to do muscle testing or applied kenisiology. >>

This is contrary to my personal experience with NAET. Understand, my

experience is limited to having visited two practioners over a period of

several years in two different offices. However, both practioners used

computers w/GSR (galvanic skin response) measurement input.

>> calls for " clearing " of a certain 10 groups of food before you even

get to

the. Let's assume you are " cleared " to the initial foods and you want

to

start hypothetically prednisone. You would either have your

practitioner

muscle test you (see if prednisone either as NAET vial or as the drug

itself

weakens you), if you test " weak " you then hold the pred vial or pill in

your

hand and a protocol treatment begins. This involves " activating " areas

along

the spine and if your practitioner is an acupuncturist, you will then

receive

a treatment, still holding the vial or pill, that includes liver three

and

Large Intestine 4. You are then asked to stay away from the cleared

substance for 25 hours. I have seen this work wonders with cat hair,

mold,

antibiotics, foods, etc. It is not a method to test for allergies, but

to

clear them. <<

Again, this is contrary to my experience, those of others whom I have

spoken with and other with whom I have corresponded in far flung parts

of the US who have seen various practioners (not the ones I have seen).

Their experiences have precisely mimicked mine, i.e.:

tested by computer using GSR input;

tested for many different foods;

tested for many chemicals; etc...

My personal testing involved well in excess of 300 different items - not

10 - and included a wide variety of foods, environmental toxins, molds,

pollens, danders, chemicals, food additives, vitamins, minerals, etc.,

etc. And yes, my fingers (had to use more than one to the length of

testing) were a little sore from being pressed so often but they felt

better within an hour of completion.

Perhaps the people we have seen are modifying the technique vis a vis

their prior training combined with that of Dr. Nambudripad (originator

of the NAET system) as the NAET website (http://www.naet.com) does

reflect this sort of limited approach, i.e., one item at a time - 25 hrs

elimination - as noted in the Patient Support -> FAQ section.

On the other hand, perhaps the examinations I and others have gone

through are not NAET at all but some hybrid or different approach. I

will certainly inquire the next time I see my physician, but that is

several months hence.

Now at one visit I did have an " analysis " by a physician's assistant

trained in applied kinesiology. She introduced specific vitamin/mineral

supplements and made comments as to which were beneficial and which were

neutral and which were problematic. I found the experience...

interesting ...but I couldn't get behind it. It was simply to dependent

on the practioner and her personal interpretations for my taste -

although the physician said that was exactly what he appreciated about

it. He felt she was very good, at least on a par with the machine. To

each their own.

<< Geoff, in regard to hair analysis, do you by chance mean Great

Smokies lab

rather than Smokey Mountain lab. Great Smokies is one of the most

comprehensive labs that tests for a number of things that are rather

" alternative " such as intestinal permeability, parasites. allergens, etc.

>>

Yes.

Regards,

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Because I am under the blood of the Passover Lamb.

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Hi ! Geoff Crenshaw here.

You wrote:

Message: 4

Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 11:26:08 -0500

From: <pinto@...>

Subject: Re: NAET

<< This guy did the " meridian stress " test using a computer. He touched

this

pen-like device that was attached to his computer to different points on

my hands

and feet (supposed the energy channels (qi?) in Chinese medicine).

Through this,

he could supposedly determine what parts of me were in or out of

balance. >>

This is similar - though not the same - as what we experienced (a friend

of my wife who had uncontrollable menstrual bleeding without any days

off, then me through my bride's influence after hearing of her success,

then my bride, then my mother, then our friends and their boys, etc.)

BUT - the fellow who examined us used only the finger(s) unless or until

the finger became sore... and nothing about discovering " out of balance "

stuff -- just allergies...

<< results were that my joints were very out of balance, my liver was

slightly out

of balance and that I had allergies (this made my doctor put me on a

regimen for

fixing leaky gut). Interesting I guess except that this guy knew I had

RA and the

allergy thing was on my information sheet, so I am skeptical.And in my

CBC my

liver tests were all normal, so I don't know about the liver thing. >>

Well, I thought mine was whacko too when he first did it -- but I think

I would have truly put it under " Looney Tunes and Daffy Duck " if they'd

given me the line yours gave you! :)

<< he had these little vials of supplements that he placed on a platform

attached to the computer and then touched the relevant points on my

hands and feet again, to determine if the supplement would " balance " it!

So I bought some of these supplements and he said I should see results

in 10 ... So you can see why I think this is all a bit of a scam. >>

Yep, sounds pretty " scammy " here.

On my end it worked like this:

The fellow sat me down - asked me nothing - ws given no chart and no

history. He hooked up his computer, put the stuff on the tray, and

touched the end of my moistened (with water) finger with the stylus. He

noted the results and at the end showed me what he found. He explained,

'You're allergic to this, this, and this, etc., these things are OK for

you.'

That was it. He had no connection whatsoever to any food supplements.

He then prepared desensitization serums and did subcutaneous injections

in the office and had me stay there under observation to ensure the

mixtures were well tolerated and I didn't fall off into anaphylactic

shock or something.

When it was all good to go, he set me up with the serums, told me how to

obtain the syringes I needed, and the doc kindly provided a Rx so at

least I could save the cost of sales tax (syringes are available w/out

prescription.)

Regards,

Geoff Crenshaw, ACC -----------------------

Captain Cook's Cruise Center ** Usual Disclaimers **

-----------------------

Why do I have hope?

Because I am under the blood of the Passover Lamb.

EXO 12:7-3 / MAR 14:24 / REV 12:11

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Hello,

Newton, a chiropractor and acupuncturist on this list, has stated

his belief that NAET is a " useless placebo therapy " . I have a lot of

respect for both chiropractic and acupuncture and those who practice

these healing arts. I have found these practices to be helpful to me

since I became ill with CFS 6+ years ago.

However, I would like to offer my own viewpoint about the NAET.

Where I live one person from our CFS support group was healed of CFS

with NAET. She then became an NAET practitioner herself, and has also

written a book about her battle with CFS, NAET, and healing in general.

Since then, this NAET practitioner has healed our CFS support group leader

of CFS as well. Our (now former) support group leader has returned to her

field of practice (the law) and is now a full-time judge.

Currently there are 6 of us from the CFS support group doing NAET as a

group. After 8 months of this, all of us have shown gradual improvement

in our health and all of us are still doing the NAET. I think that is

remarkable.

While I'm sure there are no medical tests that can prove the NAET can

clear allergies, there are other ways to know that the NAET is working.

One can see it in the loss of cravings (an allergy marker); in the ability

to take supplements or eat foods that before caused adverse reactions;

in the " healing crises " these clearings can generate; in the gradual

increase in strength in endurance one can experience on this therapy;

and in other ways, such as the relief of liver problems one might

experience when the body is no longer dealing with so many

allergens as toxins.

To me, what works is what works, no matter how weird it may seem.

And after 8 months with the NAET, I admit it still seems weird to me.

I do believe that the NAET practitioner one has makes all the difference

in the world. I know my NAET practioner has modified her NAET

practice in ways that make a difference for people undergoing NAET

who have CFS. (She also has modified her fee schedule for PWCs

to such an extent that any PWC can join our NAET group and not be

financially stressed).

I belong to 2 other discussion lists for PWCs - an NAET discussion list,

and a discussion list for healing by practices that don't include drugs.

NAET is a practice I have heard about on those lists that consistently has

helped people with CFS.

As I stated recently, I am new to this list. Perhaps I should not have

mentioned a practice like NAET in my comments about the ImmunoPro

on this list. If this was improper, I apologize.

I do share from my experiences here for whatever it may be worth to

others.

Bob

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could someone post where to purchase NAET? What is it? Is it an actual drug

that requires a prescription? Thanks.

Peggy

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>Bob said:

>

> While I'm sure there are no medical tests that can prove the NAET

can

> clear allergies, there are other ways to know that the NAET is

working.

>

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Sure there are tests, pre and post RAST and ELISA. Show me some pre

and post results and I will be the next in line.

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> To me, what works is what works, no matter how weird it may seem.

> And after 8 months with the NAET, I admit it still seems weird to

me.

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I agree, if you feel better with it and it is not harmful, who cares.

Like I said before, if a Shaman rattled bones over my head and I felt

better, then sign me up.

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NAET website:

http://www.naet.com

Please read the last 4-5 posts on NAET before you visit her web-site.

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> could someone post where to purchase NAET? What is it? Is it an

actual drug

> that requires a prescription? Thanks.

>

> Peggy

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In a message dated 08/20/2000 5:40:43 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

egroups writes:

<< There's also a book, the name of which I naturally forget

at the moment, that teaches you how to test yourself whether any

substance is good or bad for you and how much >>

Judith,

I'd be very interested in the title of this book if you are able to remember

it later. I am also extremely sensitive to supplements/drugs. Thanks!

Laurel

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Has anyone out there tried NAET treatments for allergies? Today I just got

the book which this doctor has written and it sounds pretty impressive. Also

has some rave reviews from clinical ecologists and other doctors in the US

who are positively raving about its success in eliminating allergies.

Dan

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, I only did it for awhile, practioner moved away. It helped allergies

alot. . I have heard it is hard to " make it stick " - you may need to

keep coming back. ?

> HI, has anyone tried NAET therapy for CFS? There is a woman in my area

with

> CFS who is doing really well with it. Also, if anyone has studied up on

it

> or has opinions about it I'd love to hear.

>

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2276@... wrote:

> HI, has anyone tried NAET therapy for CFS? There is a woman in my

> area with

> CFS who is doing really well with it. Also, if anyone has studied up

> on it

> or has opinions about it I'd love to hear.

>

I went through a bunch of NAET therapy a couple years ago, and it helped

tremendously. I was able to greatly decrease my migraine headaches,

asthma, and allergy symptoms. In some cases, I was able to eliminate or

cut back on prescription meds; in other cases, I needed to keep taking

the meds but got more complete relief from them. NAET decreased my

brainfog noticeably.

I was also able to eliminate some 40 food allergies/sensitivities

through NAET treatments. Now, the only foods that bother me are

aspartame and some specific well-known migraine triggers (tyramines,

mostly). But even there, an occasional NAET treatment for tyramines

made me less reactive to those foods so that I could eat them

occasionally.

NAET is also the best and only thing I have found that decreases

multiple chemical sensitivity. After years with CFIDS, it had got to

the point where I would pass out if I tried walking down the laundry

detergent aisle in the market. Now, I can handle it for brief

exposures, without a mask. I still have problems with smoke when we

have an inversion layer and people are burning leaves or using old,

inefficient woodstoves; but occasional whiffs of smoke as I drive by no

longer bother me like they did.

On the down side, I am still disabled, I still have CFS/CFIDS/FM/MCS.

But I can say that my symptoms are greatly diminished, and my quality of

life improved, by using NAET.

There are alot of PWCs who discuss their progress on the NAET mailing

list. Send a message to LISTSERV@..., with " sub

naet-l " in the body to join.

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Your functional glutathione levels will reach normal within 30 days at 4

packets/day. You may want to drop down to two packets a day after the 30

days or you are just wasting money. You will be able maintain your new

higher glut. levels at 2 packets/day. Steve B.

NAET

> >

> >

> > HI, has anyone tried NAET therapy for CFS? There is a woman in

> > my area with

> > CFS who is doing really well with it. Also, if anyone has

> > studied up on it

> > or has opinions about it I'd love to hear.

> >

>

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

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Hi ,

Pat Gurnick who runs the CEFCA group where you attended the meeting of

Dr. Galpin, knows some CFS patients who were helped by NAET.

Al

NAET

> HI, has anyone tried NAET therapy for CFS? There is a woman in my area

with

> CFS who is doing really well with it. Also, if anyone has studied up on

it

> or has opinions about it I'd love to hear.

>

>

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NAET has helped me alot, but it hasn't been a cure. I particularly noticed a

change after the B-vitamin treatment, and after the minerals treatment I was

able to get my magnesium levels up to normal. Before then I was getting

plenty of magnesium in a weekly Meyers cocktail IV, yet my mag. levels were

always low. I began NAET because of a terrible allergy to milk protein which

caused me to have hives after even a small amount of a milk product. This

was making it impossible for me to take Imuplus. I now use 4 packets a day

with some added yogurt and even some milk products on the side. No itching

at all. For me, unbelievable!! I haven't had milk for 25 years. I've also

gotten rid of my candida problem with NAET--no yeast at all visible on my

microscope exam, and my sugar cravings have eased up. All of this while NOT

on the yeast diet. I had several treatments for my own blood and for

chlamydia p., with less apparent success, but perhaps it's strengthened my

body in its fight against my infections. Hard to know.

I also treated my dog at home for allergies to goldenrod, ragweed and her

food, and healed big weeping sores the vet used to treat with prednisone. It

also cured my son's lactose intolerance.

It does take some time to see results with NAET, so only start if you have

the time, patience and money to persist for at least the basic 10

treatments. You might not have any dramatic changes at that point, but you

should have a sense of whether or not it's helping you. Every time I go in I

laugh when I do the muscle testing, because it seems so preposterous. I was

not a believer at first, but I have to admit it has definitely helped me.

C.

> NAET

>

>

> HI, has anyone tried NAET therapy for CFS? There is a woman in

> my area with

> CFS who is doing really well with it. Also, if anyone has

> studied up on it

> or has opinions about it I'd love to hear.

>

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Dear ,

I know a lady too, who claims to be doing well on the NAET.

Perhpaps, it is the same lady?

I've had 5 or 6 treatments myself, but I dropped out. It just

plain seemed too stuid to me, and very much like a money pit/ time

waster. Buy the book, and read about it first, then see what you

think. Allergic to clouds...Phu-leeze !

Sorry, but I think NAET is BULL.

Zippy

> HI, has anyone tried NAET therapy for CFS? There is a woman in my

area with

> CFS who is doing really well with it. Also, if anyone has studied

up on it

> or has opinions about it I'd love to hear.

>

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> I know a lady too, who claims to be doing well on the NAET.

> Perhpaps, it is the same lady?

There's at least a dozen of us that I have encountered.

>

> I've had 5 or 6 treatments myself, but I dropped out. It just

> plain seemed too stuid to me, and very much like a money pit/ time

> waster. Buy the book, and read about it first, then see what you

> think. Allergic to clouds...Phu-leeze !

> Sorry, but I think NAET is BULL.

>

I know what you mean. I tell my NAET practitioner to his face that it's

" voodoo " , and he agrees with me ;@) But just because the explanation

doesn't make any sense to my rational mind doesn't negate the fact that

I (and others) are getting solid results.

After all, heat transfer was and is a real and useful process, even when

it was described in terms of the invisible substances " caloric " and

" phlogiston " ! Rejecting the explanation does not make the phenomenon

disappear.

With this illness, we don't yet have a definitive explanation for the

mechanism(s) involved in making us ill. So I'm inclined to be an

empiricist - if it doesn't hurt to try it, I try it; if it works, I keep

doing it ;@)

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In a message dated 11/26/00 11:33:27 PM, jan@... wrote:

<<NAET and BIOSET. It's awesome! My body is much stronger, my allergies and

food sensitivities are GONE! Now I have to do my part and get rid of the

yeast. Then I will be 100% back to normal, I'm sure :)

~

Ah yes, I did that, NAET that is, with very limited results unfortunately.

I wish you the best with it!>>

What are NAET and BIOSET? I am fairly well-informed about candida (at least

I THOUGHT I was) but I am unfamiliar with these terms.

Lynn

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What are NAET and BIOSET? I am fairly well-informed about candida (at least

I THOUGHT I was) but I am unfamiliar with these terms.

Lynn

NAET is not directly related to Candida, it is an allergy treatment, using

applied kinesiology (muscle testing). Here is a website about it:

http://www.naet.com/

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In a message dated 11/26/00 10:14:16 PM Central Standard Time, jan@...

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<< What are NAET and BIOSET? I am fairly well-informed about candida (at

least

I THOUGHT I was) but I am unfamiliar with these terms.

Lynn

NAET is not directly related to Candida, it is an allergy treatment, using

applied kinesiology (muscle testing). Here is a website about it:

http://www.naet.com/

Jan

>>

BIOSET is similar to NAET, except they treat DNA, organs, etc. (the things

inside the body that may be working against us).

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