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Yep. Forgot to mention high cholesterol here too. - Dom

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> I was always hypotensive, (low blood pressure). Recently I had my start

> creeping up then in July following some dental surgery started having

> palpitations. Dr put me on a calcium channel blocker for this. The

first one

> I had reaction to, so they switched me to Verapamil and it is

controlling

> the blood pressure and the palpitations somewhat. I have a strong family

> history of cardiac problems, also the genetic high cholesterol.

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I have been struggling for a few years to get cholesterol under control. Finally hit up on a plan that works. Crestor 5mg in the evening, fish oil 2000mg twice a day, 8 ounces of minute maid OJ for cholesterol reduction. Have gotten my HDL, the good cholesterol up higher than goal, without increase in exercise, LDL bad cholesterol, down to goal and triglycerides are almost to goal. I use evoo, and canola oil for cooking, watch my carbs. I don't do without anything, if I want it I eat it but in moderation. I use butter, no margarine, sparingly. Sandie -- Re: High blood pressure Yep. Forgot to mention high cholesterol here too. - Dom > > I was always hypotensive, (low blood pressure). Recently I had my start > creeping up then in July following some dental surgery started having > palpitations. Dr put me on a calcium channel blocker for this. The first one > I had reaction to, so they switched me to Verapamil and it is controlling > the blood pressure and the palpitations somewhat. I have a strong family > history of cardiac problems, also the genetic high cholesterol. ------------------------------------

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Dominie

Been on Altace now since 1999 was on Diovan in Am and in Pm along

with Liptor. when I lost from 185 to 145 I am on Altace once a day

and Liptor 40 mg at night, HCT and Potassium in afternoon.

I also do fish and flax oil 3,000 mg each twice a day my nero-

endocrine Dr told me about that. I myself have to watch salt 800-900

mg a day is OK. But I exercise too . Try to eat healthy like a friend

told me we will eat right try to stay fit and die anyway.

But yes please let your Dr know what your family history is too.Our

son who is 29 Byron he oldest twin has been on Blood pressure

medicine for 2 years now with a diuretic, is afraid to got to

he Dr. heart disease is bad on both dies of our family my dads side s

dead by 60 my moms side by 65 My hubby's has CHF by 80-82 die

right then and there no warning and his moms side valve problems and

dead by 80. so he kids me because we are almost 15 years apart 14

years and a few months he told me once well the Lord brought us

together so the Lord will take us out together. so just do what the

Dr tells you to do OK.Is the best medicine you can do. But i have HBP

big time. Doing just fine keeping it under control.

Hugs heidi

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> Hi Bee, I am having serious blood pressure problems. I tried weaning

> off of the medications but my blood pressure went too high and I had

> to go back on them. I have had high blood pressure for about 15

years.

> I am also back to feeling tired. I have been having extreme fatigue

> for about five years. I was told it was postpartum as this is when

the fatigue started. I also started that blood pressure pills at that

time which come to find out was the cause of all of my problems.

>

> I have read about retracing.. you think I will retrace the symptoms

> from that medication? The GERD didn't come back and neither did the

> rashes. The gall bladder area pain is also gone.

+++Hi Phyllis. Your body will need to eliminate that medication

since it is toxic and retracing includes detoxifying first. Your body

will retrace all previous episodes with high blood pressure until it

is completely healed.

+++How long ago did you have GERD and rashes?

>

> I think I maybe detoxing in my respiratory system as I still get

> severe ear clog, feels like fluid is in my ear, facial numbness and

> short of breath. I am up to 4 tablespoons of CO a day.

+++Detoxifying will cause shortness of breath since the body gets rid

of toxins through the respiratory system, as well as other areas.

Facial numbness can be caused by: 1) toxins, and/or 2) dental

anesthetics that are being detoxified (retracing). Try some of these

ear treatments:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/treat8.php

The best to you, Bee

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Bee, does fat cells store toxins? I am still losong weight and

wondering why my blood pressure is not going down. Maybe the fat

cells are also releasing toxins?

I had GERD and rashes up until 4 months ago when I started the diet.

I suffered for 8 years with GERD taking every kind of remedy under

the sun and thousands of dollars.

That medicine I was taking almost killed me as it impaired my heart

and kidneys. Thankfully the functions came back. I know the CO will

also help to heal my heart and kidneys.

THis blood pressure issue has me a little worried. I also have a

crazy symptom.... I will get a little short of breath and

immediatley my ear will clog. It is so weird. I wonder if it is

toxins floating around. I have been sick I know since I was 16 and I

am now 42 years. I have a long way to go.

Phyllis

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> > Hi Bee, I am having serious blood pressure problems. I tried

weaning

> > off of the medications but my blood pressure went too high and I

had

> > to go back on them. I have had high blood pressure for about 15

> years.

>

> > I am also back to feeling tired. I have been having extreme

fatigue

> > for about five years. I was told it was postpartum as this is

when

> the fatigue started. I also started that blood pressure pills at

that

> time which come to find out was the cause of all of my problems.

> >

> > I have read about retracing.. you think I will retrace the

symptoms

> > from that medication? The GERD didn't come back and neither did

the

> > rashes. The gall bladder area pain is also gone.

>

> +++Hi Phyllis. Your body will need to eliminate that medication

> since it is toxic and retracing includes detoxifying first. Your

body

> will retrace all previous episodes with high blood pressure until

it

> is completely healed.

>

> +++How long ago did you have GERD and rashes?

> >

> > I think I maybe detoxing in my respiratory system as I still get

> > severe ear clog, feels like fluid is in my ear, facial numbness

and

> > short of breath. I am up to 4 tablespoons of CO a day.

>

> +++Detoxifying will cause shortness of breath since the body gets

rid

> of toxins through the respiratory system, as well as other areas.

> Facial numbness can be caused by: 1) toxins, and/or 2) dental

> anesthetics that are being detoxified (retracing). Try some of

these

> ear treatments:

> http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/treat8.php

>

> The best to you, Bee

>

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> Bee, does fat cells store toxins? I am still losong weight and

> wondering why my blood pressure is not going down. Maybe the fat

> cells are also releasing toxins?

++Hi Phyllis. Yes fat cells are the favorite place for the body to

store toxins. That's why many people become overweight too. By

storing toxins in fat cells vital inner organs are protected. Is

your blood pressure fluctuating at all, i.e. up and down, or is it

steadily high? Are you having the Electrolyte Drink which contains

ocean sea salt with over 84 minerals? Many members have found it

helps regulate their blood pressure, and credit ocean sea salt to

stabilizing their blood pressure - see these Success Stories:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/ss23d.php

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/ss47a.php

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/ss56a.php

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> I had GERD and rashes up until 4 months ago when I started the diet.

> I suffered for 8 years with GERD taking every kind of remedy under

> the sun and thousands of dollars.

>

> That medicine I was taking almost killed me as it impaired my heart

> and kidneys. Thankfully the functions came back. I know the CO will

> also help to heal my heart and kidneys.

+++Good for you Phyllis!!

>

> THis blood pressure issue has me a little worried. I also have a

> crazy symptom.... I will get a little short of breath and

> immediatley my ear will clog. It is so weird. I wonder if it is

> toxins floating around. I have been sick I know since I was 16 and

I am now 42 years. I have a long way to go.

+++Yes, toxins will cause shortness of breath, heart palpitations and

many other symptoms. Toxins also move around the body a lot until

they are eliminated. Ensure you are taking niacin (B3) which helps

fat tissue release toxins. When your ear gets clogged put wet heat

on the area behind and just below your ear. Let me know if that

helps it.

The best to you, Bee

P.S. Would you please " trim your messages? " The instructions were

emailed to you when you joined, and they are also posted on the Group

every 2 weeks (do a search of the messages to find them). Thanks so

much!

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Yep, LDN may even help that. DLPA is the thing you can't take with high

blood pressure.

Amelia wrote:

> Hi, if my blood pressure is high, can I still take ldn?

> Thanks,

> Amelia

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Hi Judy

Co enzyme Q10 about 300 mcg a day will lower BP - buy it from Whole health products or iherb - much cheaper from abroad even with the postage!

losing weight if you have any to lose and increasing exercise will also help. GP will likely tell you to go on a low salt diet but try to find the evidence for this! Use good quality sea salt - unlikely to be found in a supermarket - grey sea salt/celtic sea salt are good.

Gill

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Hi,

This is making me dribble- Chocolate mmmmmm! Imagine Homer Simpson

like expression.

I've tried most of the BP meds on the market- which work, but give me

unacceptable side effects- the cough which I had the past 3 months

stopped 3 days after stopping the BP meds.

Subject: Re: High Blood Pressure

Chocolate ! Not the rubbish you buy at the supermarket, but high quality

cold-processed high-antioxidant high-cacao dark chocolate.

I've been on it since the beginning of February. My blood pressure is

normal after 5 years on Losartan which I am now no longer taking.

Chocolate also raises serotonin levels which is exactly what popular

anti-depressants are supposed to do - except chocolate doesn't have the

side effects.

http://www.mydrchocolate.com/ for the health info

Thereafter, please PM me for more details.

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TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical

practitioner before changing medication.

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> Hi Bee and Everyone,

>

> I've been pretty much diet/supplement/detoxing routine compliant for about a

month now. Had plenty of die-off reactions which I've been enduring well with

the help of my hubby. Terry's been eating more healthfully along with me

although he's not taking the supplements or the VCO although I sneak it into our

food quite often.

>

> We've both been experiencing high blood pressure and neither of us has ever

had high blood pressure in the past. In fact, both of us have had mostly lower,

although not dangerously low, blood pressure as our " norm. "

>

> Are we/am I eating too much sea salt? I put a fair amount on our food plus I

drink the electrolyte drink every day.

>

> Terry is feeling major fatigue along with his. I know he's not on the

program, but I could swear he's experiencing die-off. It's just not possible

given the amount of carbs he eats.

>

> Thanks for any pointers to help me stay the course and keep getting healthy.

+++Hi W. Please be assured that as long as you are following this program

your body's reactions are for very good reasons, and part of the healing

process. God didn't make any stupid bodies. lol!

Many functions of the body will fluctuate during the healing process, even if

you haven't had them before. In most cases high blood pressure will go up and

down and won't stay steady or be chronic when you are healing, so hang in there

since this too will normalize as you progress.

" True " sea salt I recommend does not cause any health problems, in fact it helps

normalize blood pressure, helps the body regulate fluid balances, and it is

exactly the same as your tears. Sodium + chloride (salt) in sea salt are two of

the 7 macrominerals our bodies must have daily, along with calcium, magnesium,

potassium, phosphorus and sulphur. Sea salt contains over 84 minerals as well.

See these articles about sea salt:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu3_6_1.php

All the best, Bee

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Low BP (due to neurally-mediated hypotension) is more common; but

there have been a few folks on this list who've also popped up with

high BP.

Hope you'll hear from them.

Sara

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> Just wondering if anyone out there with Lymes has heard if it causes

> high blood pressure? I have had it since I was 15 and the doctors

> cannot find a cause.

> Bridget

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It can cause high or low blood pressure because Neuro Lyme can effect the

autonomic nervous system. My B/P went up as my symptoms increased (pre-

diagnosis), when I went into remission (pre-treatment) all symptoms disappeared

(for 8 months) and B/P and pulse were normal. When symptoms slowly returned B/P

and heart rate became erratic again. I blamed it all on poorly controlled

thyroid condition (hypo). If your endocrine system is out of whack, that also

can cause B/P & heart irregularities. I started having some very strange heart

palpitations when my symptoms worsened and when I began antibiotics. My first

symptom that wasLyme related was hypothyroid, but medication did not solve the

problem, even the my thyroid blood work (taking Synthyroid) was normal. Two

endocrinologist told me my thyroid condition was not the source of my health

problems, but offered no other explanations. So many of us end up seeing many

specialists who can't figure out the source of our symptoms. It can be very

frustrating. Doctors in all fields need to be trained to recognize possible

Lyme & co-infections when other causes have been ruled out.

Could you have been exposed to ticks when you were 15? Some people go years

with few symptoms when initially infected, others get slammed immediately. My

symptoms were tolerable for the first 5 years, then began to intensify, at which

point, I told the MD (not my primary, but in chronic illness practice) I was

seriously ill and that she needed to find the source. I was having terrible

mood swings, severe fatigue with low B/P, anxiety etc. She finally ordered

blood work to test for infectious diseases, including Lyme & co-infections.

Mystery solved!

Wishing you better health. You will get better with proper treatment, but it

takes some time.

Kim

[ ] high blood pressure

Just wondering if anyone out there with Lymes has heard if it causes high blood

pressure? I have had it since I was 15 and the doctors cannot find a cause.

Bridget

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Hi June,

Since you are taking that amount of coconut oil after being on the program for

some time, it shouldn't be creating any surge in blood pressure, etc. by now.

People who get those kinds of issues are usually not fully on this program or

aren't following it consistently enough.

So please ensure you are only consuming foods on the candida diet, and that you

are taking all of the supplements, along with 1 1/2 teaspoons of ocean sea salt

per day.

All the best, Bee

>

> Hello Bee and group,

>

> I took my blood pressure last week and it is very high and my resting heart

rate is around 80,82...it has been this way for about 6 months. I have never had

high blood pressure before, it has always been low and resting rate 56, 58.

>

> In your info on coconut oil you write, " those who combat fatigue on a daily

basis may notice an increase in body temp and blood pressure when they consume

coconut oil. If under tx for high blood pressure you should use coconut oil

sparingly. " I am up to 5-5.5 Tbls a day of coconut oil. Should I be concerned

with continuing to increase this and should I back off the oil. I am not under

Tx for high blood pressure other then this diet.

>

> I frequently feel pressure in my head and back of my neck and am concerned

about this high blood pressure warning around coconut oil.

>

> Thankyou Bee

>

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Hi June,

Just a thought: I've heard/read somewhere, that high blood pressure can be a

sign of toxicity. The body may cause the blood pressure to go up in an

effort to " run it through " the cleaning process faster. Might the dry skin

brushing and coffee enemas be beneficial for you?

Could it be that your body is working hard at detoxing through the blood

right now instead of rashes, etc?

-Sharon

Hi June,

Since you are taking that amount of coconut oil after being on the program

for some time, it shouldn't be creating any surge in blood pressure, etc. by

now.

People who get those kinds of issues are usually not fully on this program

or aren't following it consistently enough.

So please ensure you are only consuming foods on the candida diet, and that

you are taking all of the supplements, along with 1 1/2 teaspoons of ocean

sea salt per day.

All the best, Bee

>

> Hello Bee and group,

>

> I took my blood pressure last week and it is very high and my resting

heart rate is around 80,82...it has been this way for about 6 months. I have

never had high blood pressure before, it has always been low and resting

rate 56, 58.

>

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Coconut oil increases blood pressure, if you have HTC (hyper tropic cardio

myopathy) induced b/p.  I stopped using coconut oil, though it helped me a lot

in reducing the belly fat, but it increased the blood pressure.

 

I would love to take coconut oil, but not sure what i am doing wrong.

From: rakhaaliq <ido4self@...>

Subject: High Blood pressure

Coconut Oil

Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 2:19 PM

 

Has anyone successfully treated High Blood pressure using coconut oil? If so,

how did you do it?

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Yes, Coconut oil reduced my BP. I can't prove it, but am convinced it did so

by cleaning out some remaining calcification in my arteries as was evidenced

by pain in my carotids after taking CO on an empty stomach. DaddyBob

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My blood pressure went down after using coconut oil. Maybe it was from

quitting using any shortning type products.

K

-- High Blood pressure

Coconut Oil

Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 2:19 PM

Has anyone successfully treated High Blood pressure using coconut oil? If so

how did you do it?

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My blood pressure also has come down and I attribute it to the coconut oil. I

have never heard of it raising bp.

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I have heard that coconut vinegar is excellent for lowering blood pressure.

I am trying coconut oil and vinegar :)

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Do you mix the CO and vinegar? If so, in what proportions? Thanks, Sylvia

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:26 AM, The Root to Life, Ltd.

<ido4self@...>wrote:

> I have heard that coconut vinegar is excellent for lowering blood pressure.

> I am trying coconut oil and vinegar :)

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No, I take it by tablespoon. One at a time. 2 tablespoons of vinegar and one

tablespoon of coconut oil in the morning and one tablespoon of coconut oil

in the evening.

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One right after the other or do you give them a few minutes between? Thanks,

Sylvia

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:26 AM, The Root to Life, Ltd. <ido4self@...

> wrote:

> No, I take it by tablespoon. One at a time. 2 tablespoons of vinegar and

> one

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> in the evening.

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> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:26 AM, The Root to Life, Ltd.

> > <ido4self@... <ido4self%40gmail.com>>wrote:

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> > pressure.

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> > > bdembraski@... <bdembraski%40hotmail.com>> wrote:

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One right after the other. I don't know if this is the correct way to ingest

these, I am experimenting.

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:36 PM, SYLVIA PRICE <LadyofYorkies@...>wrote:

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> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:26 AM, The Root to Life, Ltd. <

> ido4self@... <ido4self%40gmail.com>

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> > wrote:

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> > No, I take it by tablespoon. One at a time. 2 tablespoons of vinegar and

> > one

> > tablespoon of coconut oil in the morning and one tablespoon of coconut

> oil

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> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:21 PM, SYLVIA PRICE

<LadyofYorkies@...<LadyofYorkies%40gmail.com>

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> Sylvia

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> > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:26 AM, The Root to Life, Ltd.

> > > <ido4self@... <ido4self%40gmail.com> <ido4self%40gmail.com

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> > > pressure.

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LOL What does it matter if it works for you? LOL Thanks, I will give it a

try for myself. Sylvia

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:05 PM, The Root to Life, Ltd. <ido4self@...

> wrote:

> One right after the other. I don't know if this is the correct way to

> ingest

> these, I am experimenting.

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> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:36 PM, SYLVIA PRICE <LadyofYorkies@...

> >wrote:

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> > Thanks,

> > Sylvia

> >

> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:26 AM, The Root to Life, Ltd. <

> > ido4self@... <ido4self%40gmail.com>

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> > > wrote:

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> > > No, I take it by tablespoon. One at a time. 2 tablespoons of vinegar

> and

> > > one

> > > tablespoon of coconut oil in the morning and one tablespoon of coconut

> > oil

> > > in the evening.

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> > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:21 PM, SYLVIA PRICE <

> LadyofYorkies@...<LadyofYorkies%40gmail.com>

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> > > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 9:26 AM, The Root to Life, Ltd.

> > > > <ido4self@... <ido4self%40gmail.com> <ido4self%40gmail.com

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> > > > > I have heard that coconut vinegar is excellent for lowering blood

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> > > > > I am trying coconut oil and vinegar :)

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> > > > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Dembraski-Marsh <

> > > > > bdembraski@... <bdembraski%40hotmail.com> <bdembraski%

> > 40hotmail.com>> wrote:

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> > > > > > My blood pressure also has come down and I attribute it to the

> > > coconut

> > > > > oil.

> > > > > > I have never heard of it raising bp.

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