Re: A Fall From Dominance (My Little Theory for the Cause of PSSD)

[Guest guest]

It has been awhile since I've posted, but I still browse this forum

occasionally. I'm doing

alright, but I wouldn't say I'm cured. The problem is, I moved back to my home

town, away

from most of the good friends I made over my years in college. Back in college I

was the

center of my social circle, and got (and gave) a great deal of respect from my

amazing

friends there. I was more gregarious, socially adept, and better with women than

them, so

I sort of took the leadership position. I think is the healthiest social

position for a PSSD

sufferer.

Now that I'm back in my home town, living with my family, the situation is

reversed. No

one in my family gives anyone any respect. On top of that they seem to think I'm

the same

person I was before I went to college, which is really frustrating. I was a

nervous wreck

back then, which is why I went on Paxil in the first place. In short, they treat

me like I'm a

loser. I don't have many friends here, the primary one being just about the

coolest person

I have ever met. This is the worst situation, socially, for a PSSD sufferer to

be in.

Before I came home things were pretty damn good. Erections were great, sex was

fun, I

found images of beautiful women arousing. The pleasure of sex still wasn't 100%,

but it

was well worth having.

I've only been back home for about a couple months and things have already gone

down

hill. I met a really cute girl here and we messed around a bit, but I was

feeling pretty numb

and disinterested again. I think I went a whole week without even feeling the

need to

masturbate.

Luckily I'm starting a business in my old college town and moving in with a

bunch of my

friends up there in early November. I'm sure things will get better again when

I'm in that

situation.

>

> Well, its been many months and the guy hasn't returned, so maybe he is

> cured.

>

> I know for a FACT that I didn't experience the bulk of pssd till I

> lost my first verbal battle off of meds. This one incident has caused

> me lots of grief.

>

> I was also wondering if the dominance roles in rats had changed. If

> there is a connection there, than there might be a connection here.

>

[Guest guest]

I also experienced a dramatic social defeat around the time my PSSD started...

> >

> > Well, its been many months and the guy hasn't returned, so maybe he is

> > cured.

> >

> > I know for a FACT that I didn't experience the bulk of pssd till I

> > lost my first verbal battle off of meds. This one incident has caused

> > me lots of grief.

> >

> > I was also wondering if the dominance roles in rats had changed. If

> > there is a connection there, than there might be a connection here.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The idea is that the SSRIs fooled our brain into " thinking " we were dominant

individuals

(since dominant animals have brains drenched in serotonin). The shift from

dominance to

a submissive status involves a lot more neurological changes than a simple

reinforcement

of a submissive status. On top of this, since we were probably never truly

dominant, the

net change we experienced may be more pathological than in someone who is truly

dominant and becomes submissive " naturally " .

> > >

> > > This is a huge discovery.

> > >

> > > I could get crazy with this shit and talk about a social defeat

> > > affecting your development during puberty, etc, but hopefully that

> > > didn't happen.

> > >

> > > What do you suggest?

> > >

> > > I'm gonna research specific ways to reverse

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think it has got anything to do with YOUR PSSD either. It is

important to realize that every case is different, and every case is

probably a mixture of epigenetic, persistent chemical storage, and

complex psychological effects.

Your case is kind of unusual in that it is restricted to erectile

dysfunction and has persisted for 11 years.

Vornan

-- In SSRIsex , " ruinedbyssris "

wrote:

>

>

> I dont believe that my social situation has anything to do with my

> PSSD.For example ,I was originally prescribed the SSRI because of

mild

> anxiety I had when giving oral presentations as a teenage student.

>

> I have since overcome that in quite a marked and dramatic way but

> this , along with the various social `battles` of the last 11 years

> have had zero affect on my PSSD whether `won` or `lost`.

>

> Also,nothing traumatic ,humiliating or difficult to deal with

happenend

> whilst on or after taking the SSRI, even if any social defeat were

able

> to contribute to any lasting side effects, which I dont really

believe

> in.

>

> I think that the cases where people have PSSD from SSRI treatment

for

> conditions other than mental illness and werent on them for very

long

> leave less room for social theories.

>

[Guest guest]

I think you are completely wrong. I think social status has a lot to do with PSSD because it changes gene expresison. There are hundreds of examples in the literature of how social status changes expression of the androgen receptor, serotonin receptors, dopamine etc. etc.

Mind you, I don't think the social effects are as strong as the drug effects, and I'm pretty sure that most of us got PSSD from SSRIs. But the persitence of the effects could be cobtrolled to some extent by the environment - and by that I mean all types of social environment - everything from social status, success at work, actual physical (sensual) exposure to the opposite sex, and so on.

Vornan> > >> > > This is a huge discovery.> > >> > > I could get crazy with this shit and talk about a social defeat> > > affecting your development during puberty, etc, but hopefully that> > > didn't happen.> > >> > > What do you suggest?> > >> > > I'm gonna research specific ways to reverse> > >> > > > > >> >>

[Guest guest]

I used to think zoloft caused physical brain damage but I dont think

thats the case. Although I think you can say it can be a permanent

damage but not in a sense it cant be reversed. Since PSSD, I had

numerous times when it was reversed temporary. Hard part is that we

all have different chemistry and there not really one size fits all

solution to this, maybe not just yet. Its like trying to open a lock

with endless option of keys except we have no clue which key is the

right one to use. Just because the lock doesnt open doesnt mean the

lock is broken.

[Guest guest]

>

> The good news is that these changes should be reversible if you can find

> the right social or neurochamical stimuli. That might have been how

> biologic recovered.

Well this is interesting, I have all the opportunity in world to go

hang out with some geeks. So being a musician (makes good

conversation) and having a buff body from the gym (eye candy for

chicks), I would be the dominant one in a crowd of two geeks one hot

chick and me.

If I keep creating the aforementioned social situation my psych med

injury will be gone in time from socially induced altered gene

expression. And with my regime of herbs: Lion' Mane, Ashitaba, Royal

Jelly, amino acids, protein shakes, these things should support the

recovery of gene expression and neuron regeneration. I'll invest some

time and money in my social structure for awhile. Easy enough, some of

these plans were already unfolding anyway. But right now I really wish

my lady friend down the street would stop isolating. She made me feel

a lot better when we were together.

[Guest guest]

>

> I have always thought that severe stress can cause those changes.---

For some reason stress is occasionally made the scape goat for sexual

problems. I'm not trying to start an argument about it, I just want to

share my personal experience with stress.

Stress has never caused me sexual problems, only doctor prescribed

meds have. My pulse rate was 225-255 bpm when i was checked at the

hospital.

Even then I had sexual feelings for the girl taking my pulse. Weird

thing is, she was the one panicking, not me. I know because I had

grown accustomed to coping with the stress level skyrocketing.

Although it was very uncomfortable and at times caused chest pain. Yet

never once did this affect my sexual health. I know that that stress

caused me organic changes in brain structure and organ size and

functional activity. But my sex drive was always high. After taking

Zoloft I lost libido but regained most of it, and my sexual

functioning was fine. But my stress illness got worse at the same time

that my sexual health got better.

Then after the hospital assault and Risperdal event. Sex has been

destroyed. I've seen several doctors about this and several risperdal

injurys. So far the only one who has helped me with my severe and

disabling injury's is me.