Need Advice

[Guest guest]

I had my work done 11 yrs ago Feb. I was also in really bad shape. Couldn't

find a dentist in Tulsa who would do it right, so went to my sister's

(mercury-free) dentist in WI and had all mine (17 fillings, mostly large ones)

done in a week. Actually I called and talked to him, he said come on up, call

when you get to town. I arrived Sun night, he got me in for an assessment Mon

morning, did the first quadrant Tues, second Wed, third Thurs. am, and final on

Thursday pm. He and his staff had contactied the patients schedule those days

and explained that I had come from out of state and all agreed to reschedule!

One of the Tulsa ones I went to did an estimate saying I needed a bunch of

extractions, root canals, etc. He knew I desparately needed the mercury out and

thought he'd try to get as much $ as he could. He later was charged with fraud

though I don't know the details. The one I went to in WI worked to save as much

natural tooth structure as possible while getting out all the mercury. He also

worked with me on a payment plan. Under my circumstances at the time, having all

the work done in a week made the most since and I'm glad I did. S--- On

Tue 01/21, & lt; v.fisher8@... & gt; wrote:From: [mailto:

v.fisher8@...]autism treatment@...: Tue, 21 Jan 2003

09:36:43 -0600Subject: [ ] need adviceI'm at my wits end with my

dental problems. I don't seem to be doing too well since I've had the 8

amalgams removed. It's like I'm stuck and not getting better. I just saw

another dentist for a second opinion and he gave me a whole treatment plan with

cost. I have 4 root canals plus 4 more visible amalgams, there are amalgams

under crowns, I appear to have at least 2 cavitations and some other mercury

hiding under white fillings. Jeez - no wonder I feel like #$%@. Anyway, the

grand total was $11,700 to clean up my mouth. I don't think that included

bridge work. I just called my friends at Huggins - they're so helpful with

free advice- and they recommend getting all the work done within a 30 day

period. The reason being that it is better than the constant disruption of the

immune system if you stretch it out. They have a clinic up in Montreal that is

pretty intensive and they would do all my dental work during a 9 day stay - I

think they only work on your mouth for 2 days and the rest is info on detoxing

and testing and treatment. So far, I am very unhappy with the dentists I have

in that I feel I am abandoned once they take out the mercury. I need more help

and guidance through the detox. Huggins people are going to fax me an estimate

of what they would charge given my situation - I faxed them what the other

dentist wrote up. They thought his estimate was high. Question - I'm

leaning towards going to Montreal in March and having it all done at once. My

health is awful and it is difficult to work - can anyone offer me some input

into this decision? Thanks so much - God Bless, [Non-text portions of

this message have been removed]

[Guest guest]

> Anyway, the grand total was $11,700 to clean up my mouth. I don't think that

included bridge work.

I was thinking that for a lot less you could just go to another country (like

Romania, for example) and have everything done. You wouldn't spend $1000 there

for this. The trip and everything... maybe $1000 more. It still sounds a lot

better.

Valentina

[Guest guest]

Would I find somebody there to do it under a reasonable protocol? How would I

organize this not speaking the language and not kknowing anybody there?

Dagmar.

Re: [ ] need advice

> Anyway, the grand total was $11,700 to clean up my mouth. I don't think

that included bridge work.

I was thinking that for a lot less you could just go to another country (like

Romania, for example) and have everything done. You wouldn't spend $1000 there

for this. The trip and everything... maybe $1000 more. It still sounds a lot

better.

Valentina

[Guest guest]

>Andy - why do you not believe in cavitations? I would have a hard time

explaining my symptoms - tired all the time - feels like my muscles are

very tight, my jaw is out of socket , constant ringing in my ears and

sometimes terrible body aches. Plus my facial muscles have changed over

the years

Many of your symptoms could be from fungus overgrowth, in sinuses and

middle and inner ear

Another area to explore is bruxing..

Dolphi

[Guest guest]

>>>We will FINALLY begin OT, ST and DT in a few weeks. Should we

begin the enzymes now, or wait until we're a few weeks into the

> therapies? I'm afraid his reactions to the enzymes might

interfere with his first therapy experiences...

I vote to start enzymes now. The adjustment time would probably be

over by the time you start the therapies. And if he is feeling

better, that will make the therapies more effective. Some therapies

may take a months or so to start seeing good results, so that would

put off the nutritional measures quite awhile. It is very nice that

you can get up and running with enzymes in a matter of days or weeks

instead of months and years as other therapies need.

.

[Guest guest]

Are headphones involved? He may be experiencing a tactile

defensiveness.

> Hi,

>

> I have a question and I am hoping that somebody else have had this

> experience with their child.

> My son 4.6 y.o. mild autistic, has a fit if I or at school make him

to

> listen to the tapes where he has to recognize the type of sound

(like if

> it's a cow, or airplane, or water running, ...) and he will have to

say or

> match with correspondent pictures in front of him.

[Guest guest]

No, we are not using headphones. By the way he likes to listen to music very

much, but also at times there are sounds, or even songs that he dislike them

totally and he is avoiding them. He memorized when they are coming on the

tape so either he is FF the tape or covers his ears.

Any thoughts?

Thank you again

Luana

[ ] Re: Need advice

Are headphones involved? He may be experiencing a tactile

defensiveness.

> Hi,

>

> I have a question and I am hoping that somebody else have had this

> experience with their child.

> My son 4.6 y.o. mild autistic, has a fit if I or at school make him

to

> listen to the tapes where he has to recognize the type of sound

(like if

> it's a cow, or airplane, or water running, ...) and he will have to

say or

> match with correspondent pictures in front of him.

[Guest guest]

Jen:

I would email her. She apparently is looking for support and

advice. If I were in her shoes...I would be so grateful if someone

took the time to " help " me. Good luck and keep us posted.

Lori and on DOCGRAD 9/19

--- In Plagiocephaly , " Reck " <reckjb@g...>

wrote:

> Hi everyone,

>

> I need your wisdom on something. I participate in a non-profit

organization as a volunteer in a leadership position. When reviewing

a newsletter this month, I read a story on the front page that could

have been my own.

>

> The Mom was talking about being grateful for our children and the

things we go through. She began describing what she had endured over

the last few weeks. She talked about taking her son to a specialist

for a flat spot on his head. She felt they were shuffled through the

system and sought a 2nd opinion. At the 2nd specialist, she was given

the it will round out on its' own speech and they have decided not to

seek treatment.

>

> I'm not sure in my position that it is entirely appropriate for me

to contact her to tell my story, but we were given that same speech

by a " specialist " when Trentyn was 4 months old and we almost missed

the window of treatment, not to mention that he will not achieve 100%

correction.

>

> What do you'll think? Is it entirely inappropriate for me to email

this Mom? To offer support, advice, anything??? I would really love

everyone's advice. Thanks in advance!

>

> Jen- TX

> Trentyn- 16 mo. DocBand 06/12/03 & 09/17/03

[Guest guest]

Jen,

I think you should email her. I know I wish someone would have given

me information about plagiocephaly when was still really

young. Tell her your story, I'm sure she'll appreciate it. Let us

know what you decide.

--- In Plagiocephaly , " Reck " <reckjb@g...>

wrote:

> Hi everyone,

>

> I need your wisdom on something. I participate in a non-profit

organization as a volunteer in a leadership position. When reviewing

a newsletter this month, I read a story on the front page that could

have been my own.

>

> The Mom was talking about being grateful for our children and the

things we go through. She began describing what she had endured over

the last few weeks. She talked about taking her son to a specialist

for a flat spot on his head. She felt they were shuffled through the

system and sought a 2nd opinion. At the 2nd specialist, she was given

the it will round out on its' own speech and they have decided not to

seek treatment.

>

> I'm not sure in my position that it is entirely appropriate for me

to contact her to tell my story, but we were given that same speech

by a " specialist " when Trentyn was 4 months old and we almost missed

the window of treatment, not to mention that he will not achieve 100%

correction.

>

> What do you'll think? Is it entirely inappropriate for me to email

this Mom? To offer support, advice, anything??? I would really love

everyone's advice. Thanks in advance!

>

> Jen- TX

> Trentyn- 16 mo. DocBand 06/12/03 & 09/17/03

[Guest guest]

Thanks , it has really been bugging me. I just needed someone to say it was okay, thanks!

Jen- TXTrentyn- 16 mo. DocBand 06/12/03 & 09/17/03

Re: Need advice

Jen,I think you should email her. I know I wish someone would have given me information about plagiocephaly when was still really young. Tell her your story, I'm sure she'll appreciate it. Let us know what you decide.> Hi everyone,> > I need your wisdom on something. I participate in a non-profit organization as a volunteer in a leadership position. When reviewing a newsletter this month, I read a story on the front page that could have been my own. > > The Mom was talking about being grateful for our children and the things we go through. She began describing what she had endured over the last few weeks. She talked about taking her son to a specialist for a flat spot on his head. She felt they were shuffled through the system and sought a 2nd opinion. At the 2nd specialist, she was given the it will round out on its' own speech and they have decided not to seek treatment. > > I'm not sure in my position that it is entirely appropriate for me to contact her to tell my story, but we were given that same speech by a "specialist" when Trentyn was 4 months old and we almost missed the window of treatment, not to mention that he will not achieve 100% correction. > > What do you'll think? Is it entirely inappropriate for me to email this Mom? To offer support, advice, anything??? I would really love everyone's advice. Thanks in advance!> > Jen- TX> Trentyn- 16 mo. DocBand 06/12/03 & 09/17/03For more plagio info

[Guest guest]

Thanks Lori, I just emailed her! I will let you'll know how it goes...

Jen- TXTrentyn- 16 mo. DocBand 06/12/03 & 09/17/03

Re: Need advice

Jen:I would email her. She apparently is looking for support and advice. If I were in her shoes...I would be so grateful if someone took the time to "help" me. Good luck and keep us posted.Lori and on DOCGRAD 9/19> Hi everyone,> > I need your wisdom on something. I participate in a non-profit organization as a volunteer in a leadership position. When reviewing a newsletter this month, I read a story on the front page that could have been my own. > > The Mom was talking about being grateful for our children and the things we go through. She began describing what she had endured over the last few weeks. She talked about taking her son to a specialist for a flat spot on his head. She felt they were shuffled through the system and sought a 2nd opinion. At the 2nd specialist, she was given the it will round out on its' own speech and they have decided not to seek treatment. > > I'm not sure in my position that it is entirely appropriate for me to contact her to tell my story, but we were given that same speech by a "specialist" when Trentyn was 4 months old and we almost missed the window of treatment, not to mention that he will not achieve 100% correction. > > What do you'll think? Is it entirely inappropriate for me to email this Mom? To offer support, advice, anything??? I would really love everyone's advice. Thanks in advance!> > Jen- TX> Trentyn- 16 mo. DocBand 06/12/03 & 09/17/03For more plagio info

[Guest guest]

Jen - I dont think it would be inappropriate at all. Afterall when

you were in that positon wouldnt you have wanted someone that had

been through it to tell you their story? I know I would. Let us know

what you decide.

Donna and Xavier DOCband 7/25 and 10/8

--- In Plagiocephaly , " Reck " <reckjb@g...>

wrote:

> Hi everyone,

>

> I need your wisdom on something. I participate in a non-profit

organization as a volunteer in a leadership position. When reviewing

a newsletter this month, I read a story on the front page that could

have been my own.

>

> The Mom was talking about being grateful for our children and the

things we go through. She began describing what she had endured over

the last few weeks. She talked about taking her son to a specialist

for a flat spot on his head. She felt they were shuffled through the

system and sought a 2nd opinion. At the 2nd specialist, she was given

the it will round out on its' own speech and they have decided not to

seek treatment.

>

> I'm not sure in my position that it is entirely appropriate for me

to contact her to tell my story, but we were given that same speech

by a " specialist " when Trentyn was 4 months old and we almost missed

the window of treatment, not to mention that he will not achieve 100%

correction.

>

> What do you'll think? Is it entirely inappropriate for me to email

this Mom? To offer support, advice, anything??? I would really love

everyone's advice. Thanks in advance!

>

> Jen- TX

> Trentyn- 16 mo. DocBand 06/12/03 & 09/17/03

[Guest guest]

Jen,

I agree with Lori. I think it would be the right thing to do in your leadership position - to offer support.

Re: Need advice

Jen:I would email her. She apparently is looking for support and advice. If I were in her shoes...I would be so grateful if someone took the time to "help" me. Good luck and keep us posted.Lori and on DOCGRAD 9/19> Hi everyone,> > I need your wisdom on something. I participate in a non-profit organization as a volunteer in a leadership position. When reviewing a newsletter this month, I read a story on the front page that could have been my own. > > The Mom was talking about being grateful for our children and the things we go through. She began describing what she had endured over the last few weeks. She talked about taking her son to a specialist for a flat spot on his head. She felt they were shuffled through the system and sought a 2nd opinion. At the 2nd specialist, she was given the it will round out on its' own speech and they have decided not to seek treatment. > > I'm not sure in my position that it is entirely appropriate for me to contact her to tell my story, but we were given that same speech by a "specialist" when Trentyn was 4 months old and we almost missed the window of treatment, not to mention that he will not achieve 100% correction. > > What do you'll think? Is it entirely inappropriate for me to email this Mom? To offer support, advice, anything??? I would really love everyone's advice. Thanks in advance!> > Jen- TX> Trentyn- 16 mo. DocBand 06/12/03 & 09/17/03For more plagio info

[Guest guest]

If the " flat spot " was bad enough that she took her child to a

specialist, it must at the very least be bothering her. It may be

fate that you are in your current position--you should definitely

contact her. She can do whatever she wants w/ your info, but at

least she will know some other options for treatment. Good luck to

both of you!

Kim--Gus' mom

DOC Band 8/21/03

--- In Plagiocephaly , " Reck " <reckjb@g...>

wrote:

> Hi everyone,

>

> I need your wisdom on something. I participate in a non-profit

organization as a volunteer in a leadership position. When reviewing

a newsletter this month, I read a story on the front page that could

have been my own.

>

> The Mom was talking about being grateful for our children and the

things we go through. She began describing what she had endured over

the last few weeks. She talked about taking her son to a specialist

for a flat spot on his head. She felt they were shuffled through the

system and sought a 2nd opinion. At the 2nd specialist, she was given

the it will round out on its' own speech and they have decided not to

seek treatment.

>

> I'm not sure in my position that it is entirely appropriate for me

to contact her to tell my story, but we were given that same speech

by a " specialist " when Trentyn was 4 months old and we almost missed

the window of treatment, not to mention that he will not achieve 100%

correction.

>

> What do you'll think? Is it entirely inappropriate for me to email

this Mom? To offer support, advice, anything??? I would really love

everyone's advice. Thanks in advance!

>

> Jen- TX

> Trentyn- 16 mo. DocBand 06/12/03 & 09/17/03

[Guest guest]

Jen, I know that I'm late on this one, but you being in a leadership

role of the organization having been through the same ordeal.....That

would give you more than enough reason to contact her. I'm sure she

would be very grateful. Let us know what you decide to do.

Dustie

--- In Plagiocephaly , " Reck " <reckjb@g...>

wrote:

> Hi everyone,

>

> I need your wisdom on something. I participate in a non-profit

organization as a volunteer in a leadership position. When reviewing

a newsletter this month, I read a story on the front page that could

have been my own.

>

> The Mom was talking about being grateful for our children and the

things we go through. She began describing what she had endured over

the last few weeks. She talked about taking her son to a specialist

for a flat spot on his head. She felt they were shuffled through the

system and sought a 2nd opinion. At the 2nd specialist, she was given

the it will round out on its' own speech and they have decided not to

seek treatment.

>

> I'm not sure in my position that it is entirely appropriate for me

to contact her to tell my story, but we were given that same speech

by a " specialist " when Trentyn was 4 months old and we almost missed

the window of treatment, not to mention that he will not achieve 100%

correction.

>

> What do you'll think? Is it entirely inappropriate for me to email

this Mom? To offer support, advice, anything??? I would really love

everyone's advice. Thanks in advance!

>

> Jen- TX

> Trentyn- 16 mo. DocBand 06/12/03 & 09/17/03

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/8/04 3:42:04 AM, isho7@... writes:

<< I started the Throps enzymes on 27 December and perceived a mild

regression after introducing the enzymes. >>

Many kids take this long or longer to adapt to enzymes. Are you seeing any

improvements mixed in with the regression -- that's a good indication that

they're doing something good and will sort out eventually. I don't have

experience

with Thropp's, but I'd suggest keeping the dosage low and hanging in there

longer, unless his symptoms get worse on the low dose and you don't see *any

improvements. Then it might be that he doesn't tolerate that particular enzyme.

Good luck!

Nell

[Guest guest]

i tryed thropps for a couple of meals but may have had a bad reaction

to them so stopped. they are a high lipase formula which may work on

the nerve myelin sheathing which is not good. this is a bit

speculative but i haven't been game to try them again.

houstonni seem to be the best balanced ones.

i have posted previously on the need for zinc methionine with scd and

other minerlas as well.

nut flours are not well digested imo.

id drop honey as well, but in terms of ketosis i use a lot of very

good king island cream(australia) which provides energy without

ketone by products. i went without the cream for several days and

regressed due perhaps to the ketosis aspect.

> Hi everyone.

>

> Sam has been on SCD for almost 3 months. Currently s diet

> consists of beef, chicken, pork, fish. Theseare grilled and I

> usually marinate with salt, pepper,garlic, lemon and olive oil.

> Vegetables are fried zucchini. I was giving him carrots to eat

> (peeled) and sometimes peeled cucumbers. He has been

> able to tolerate these, ie no D for about 4 weeks when I started to

> give him a clove of garlic in carrot juice. I stopped the raw

> veggies, & fruit a couple of days ago. He also drinks apple juice

> and pear juice. I juice myself, boil and

> strain. For snacks I give him peeled carrots, Sultanas (sometimes),

> almonds, ripe banana, and recently peeled apple. He sometimes has

> the almond and honey cookies. One batch lasts about 10-12 days. I

> make him the nut loaf using almond flour and that will last 7-10

> days. He also eats eggs for breakast most mornings, either served

> with the bread as french toast or poached or I add grated zucchini

> and nut flour and make as pancakes. He has SCD ketsup. Everything

> he eats or drinks is made by me from scratch with the exception of

> course of the ripe banana and apple. As far as raw veggies and

> apple were concerned, he was really tolerating these well. No

> problems in fact with food tolerances since the garlic

> introduction. Prior to that he was having on and off D all the

> time. But because of the continued stimming I deceides to stop

> these for a while.

>

> We started goat yogurt about 3 weeks ago - we are up to 6 teaspoons

> (4oz) a day with some honey added. He was really

> doing well at this stage, new words everyday, happier and even tried

> to engage another child on one occasion.

>

> I started the Throps enzymes on 27 December and perceived a mild

> regression after introducing the enzymes. He is now stimming

> severely, he is toe walking a lot, he isn't saying the words he

> knows, not co operative, etc,etc. I reduced his enzymes to 1/4

> capsule at each meal. The stimming was worse today.

>

>

> If anyone has suggestions I'd really appreciate them.

>

> Please email me privately if you like.

[Guest guest]

No your surge protector is not available in the 220 volt format most

ranges(if they are electric not gas) require. The breaker for you ranges is

separate from the small appliance circuit your frig and toaster ECT runs on.

When you look at your breaker panel look of two switches are locked

together. Flip them off one at a time until you ID your range breaker. If

you son recognizes it you will have the same problem. A timer can be wired

in beside the panel. It probably require an electrician. Good luck. I hope

this helps.

Bill

Re: Need Advice

We use a power bar for our TV/VCR so that we can shut off the power without

shutting off the whole room. We keep it in behind the entertainment unit and

we reach behind and flip the switch without our son seeing what we are

doing. When he then tries the TV we just tell him it isn't working right

now. Would something like that be available for a stove??? I don't know but

it might work for other items.

Need Advice

I have a 13 yr old nonverbal son who has started to

get up in the middle of the night to cook. The scary

part is he uses the stove or toaster oven and I woke

up to smoke because it was burning. He did not

realize it was burning because he went back into his

room. I already have to turn the power switch off to

the living room because he was getting up and watching

tv all night and not wanting to get up and go to

school. I don't think cutting the power switch to the

kitchen will work because of the fridge. Locking the

door to his room may not work either because of him

having to use the bathroom. Any suggestions will be

greatly appreciated.

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[Guest guest]

For the refrigerator you can obtain a lock >>>

http://www.computersecurity.com/other/az101.htm .... you can put

in " refrigerator lock " in google and you'll get lots of results.

As for the stove, many people I know remove the knobs (and keep them

locked away). This does not work on all stoves/ovens/ranges, but

when it does, it can be extremely helpful.

Of course, you can hopefully hide the toaster oven. Would it help at

all to put a small (dorm size) refrigerator in his room and allow

him to have some items in there that you both agree on? OR would

this simply create another issue to deal with??

Take care, Cyn

______________

______________________

> I have a 13 yr old nonverbal son who has started to

> get up in the middle of the night to cook. The scary

> part is he uses the stove or toaster oven and I woke

> up to smoke because it was burning. He did not

> realize it was burning because he went back into his

> room. I already have to turn the power switch off to

> the living room because he was getting up and watching

> tv all night and not wanting to get up and go to

> school. I don't think cutting the power switch to the

> kitchen will work because of the fridge. Locking the

> door to his room may not work either because of him

> having to use the bathroom. Any suggestions will be

> greatly appreciated.

__________________________________

[Guest guest]

What about a baby monitor to let you know when he gets up? Or maybe a small

inexpensive door alarm, we got one from an electronic store for about $30,

it can make a big noise or just a ding like a door bell. Maybe agree on a

few snacks to be left in his room for when he gets hungry. Or worse case,

put a camping type toilet in his room and keep the door locked.

Good Luck.

Re: Need Advice

> For the refrigerator you can obtain a lock >>>

>

> http://www.computersecurity.com/other/az101.htm .... you can put

> in " refrigerator lock " in google and you'll get lots of results.

>

> As for the stove, many people I know remove the knobs (and keep them

> locked away). This does not work on all stoves/ovens/ranges, but

> when it does, it can be extremely helpful.

>

> Of course, you can hopefully hide the toaster oven. Would it help at

> all to put a small (dorm size) refrigerator in his room and allow

> him to have some items in there that you both agree on? OR would

> this simply create another issue to deal with??

>

> Take care, Cyn

> ______________

> ______________________

>

>

>

> > I have a 13 yr old nonverbal son who has started to

> > get up in the middle of the night to cook. The scary

> > part is he uses the stove or toaster oven and I woke

> > up to smoke because it was burning. He did not

> > realize it was burning because he went back into his

> > room. I already have to turn the power switch off to

> > the living room because he was getting up and watching

> > tv all night and not wanting to get up and go to

> > school. I don't think cutting the power switch to the

> > kitchen will work because of the fridge. Locking the

> > door to his room may not work either because of him

> > having to use the bathroom. Any suggestions will be

> > greatly appreciated.

> __________________________________

>

>

>

>

>

> Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with

> the original author(s), and is not necessarily endorsed by or the

> opinion of the Research Institute.

>

>

[Guest guest]

> By the time school std. (8/6) he was not doing well. He was just not

> " present " , not talking in his own voice a lot of the time, impulsive,

> poor self esteem and very emotional (crying about something and then

> laughing uncontrollably).

Chelation generally causes yeast. Consider increasing your

yeast-killing protocol.

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

I decided to cut back on the B vitamins

> because he has not done well on them in the past and std treating yeast

> with GSE but still no improvement.

GSE is not effective against all strains of yeast. Maybe try another

OTC yeast killer like caprylic acid or uva ursi or garlic.

> What should I attribute the brief (and blissful) improvement to?

If it was directly after you removed all the supplements, then I would

guess that one or more of the supplements was causing a problem, but

without the rest of the supplements, he regressed. Try adding back

the supplements one at a time, with at least 3-4 days between each one.

> Should we continue to try chelation and if so, what vitamins and

> minerals are the bare minimum we can take to be safe and healthy?

> Would any of them be likely to cause behavioral side effects?

All of them can be potential problems. My son did not tolerate

basically any supplements until about round 50 of ALA chelation.

Good luck.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dana,

With his behavior below par I can feel free to experiment a little. At

least I know that something will help him. He has never been that free

of symptoms before. I'll try some other yeast stuff. I did not add

any of the supplements any more often than 3-4 days and many times I

waited a week but still saw no obvious problems with any as I added

them before. I wondered if because he does not meet the counting rules

and excretes more than lots of these kids that he may take longer to

build up a problem with the supplements. Maybe this could mean that it

is the ones that can build up are the ones he is having trouble with?

Would you continue to chelate with less than the full slate of

supplements? He is a very good eater, especially without having to

take a handful of supplements with every meal.

On Sep 23, 2004, at 10:49 PM, danasview wrote:

>

> > By the time school std. (8/6) he was not doing well.  He was just

> not 

> > " present " , not talking in his own voice a lot of the time,

> impulsive,

> > poor self esteem and very emotional (crying about something and then

> > laughing uncontrollably).

>

>

> Chelation generally causes yeast.  Consider increasing your

> yeast-killing protocol.

>

> http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

>

>

>   I decided to cut back on the B vitamins

> > because he has not done well on them in the past and std treating

> yeast

> > with GSE  but still no improvement.

>

>

> GSE is not effective against all strains of yeast.  Maybe try another

> OTC yeast killer like caprylic acid or uva ursi or garlic.

>

>

> > What should I attribute the brief (and blissful) improvement to?

>

>

> If it was directly after you removed all the supplements, then I would

> guess that one or more of the supplements was causing a problem, but

> without the rest of the supplements, he regressed.  Try adding back

> the supplements one at a time, with at least 3-4 days between each

> one.

>

>

> > Should we continue to try chelation and if so, what vitamins and

> > minerals are the bare minimum we can take to be safe and healthy? 

> > Would any of them be likely to cause behavioral side effects?

>

>

> All of them can be potential problems.  My son did not tolerate

> basically any supplements until about round 50 of ALA chelation.

>

> Good luck.

>

> Dana

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

> Hi List,

>

> I need some advice about where to go from here. I'll try to keep this

> short. My son is 10 yo, about 70 lbs, AS, fully included in 5th grade.

> He did not meet the counting rules on his hair test. We are doing

> this on our own and he has not had any other tests. No special diet.

> I began supplements rec, by Andy to try chelation in mid-May, slowly

> adding to see if there were any reactions. None. I std. ALA chelation

> with 12.5mg every three hours in mid-June, varying the length of rounds

> depending on what we were doing.

>

> By the time school std. (8/6) he was not doing well. He was just not

> " present " , not talking in his own voice a lot of the time, impulsive,

> poor self esteem and very emotional (crying about something and then

> laughing uncontrollably). I decided to cut back on the B vitamins

> because he has not done well on them in the past and std treating yeast

> with GSE but still no improvement. On 8/20 I decided to stop

> everything and see what happened. Then next week was no better, except

> that he got his appetite back, but the next week there was some

> improvement Much of the vocal stuff I hear from him was not as

> apparent and the next week it was gone! This has never happened

> before. But, now it is back. The last couple of weeks I have been

> treating yeast with GSE and probiotics to see if this may be the

> problem but no improvement.

>

> So here are my questions -

>

> What should I attribute the brief (and blissful) improvement to?

I don't know.

>

> Do a lot of kids have slow reactions for - good or ill - to supplements?

Not most supplements. A few take a while, most it is quick.

> If I went to a DAN doc to get help figuring this out would they pay

> attn to these subtle problems?

There is almost no hope of this.

> What testing would be most helpful in

> this case?

A hair element profile from Doctor's Data.

It is otherwise really unclear.

Filling out the Dan Amen ADD checklist probably WOULD be exxtremely

helpful.

Plasma cysteine and sulfate may well be informative.

> Should we continue to try chelation and if so, what vitamins and

> minerals are the bare minimum we can take to be safe and healthy?

C, E, zinc, magnesium.

I'd try it. Lower the amount, use it more often (2 hours during the

day).

> Would any of them be likely to cause behavioral side effects?

>

> Thanks in advance for any opinions or answers to any of these questions.

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Thanks Dana,

>

> With his behavior below par I can feel free to experiment a little.

I have had those weeks!

>>Maybe this could mean that it

> is the ones that can build up are the ones he is having trouble with?

Possibly.

> Would you continue to chelate with less than the full slate of

> supplements?

I chelated my kids at first without any supplements other than enzymes

and occasional GSE. They only started tolerating supplements at about

round 50. Just go slowly and watch for yeast or other signs of problems.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I don't know where the problem is but if you are chelating then

you should supplement with a mineral supplement on the off days.

Minerals help transport our amino acid function. Maybe that will

help.

Look to see if any of the minerals are low in the hair test. This

could be one clue.

Liz D.

> [Original Message]

> From: Harmon <lisaharmon@...>

> < >

> Date: 9/23/2004 9:29:18 AM

> Subject: [ ] Need Advice

>

> Hi List,

>

> I need some advice about where to go from here. I'll try to keep this

> short. My son is 10 yo, about 70 lbs, AS, fully included in 5th grade.

> He did not meet the counting rules on his hair test. We are doing

> this on our own and he has not had any other tests. No special diet.

> I began supplements rec, by Andy to try chelation in mid-May, slowly

> adding to see if there were any reactions. None. I std. ALA chelation

> with 12.5mg every three hours in mid-June, varying the length of rounds

> depending on what we were doing.