diet

[Guest guest]

They have different versions, and the one i use does have msm

________________________________

From: Ann <ruby2zdy@...>

chondromalacia treatment

Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 2:39:44 PM

Subject: Re: Diet

Does Osteobiflex contain MSM?

Ann

Diet

Has anyone tried any kind of special diet or the glucosamine with positive

response? I have read that carrot juicing works wonders for many ailments. Has

anyone tried carrot juicing?

Thanks in advance,

[Guest guest]

No whole grains or brown rice.

Cheerios are actually not allowed, if I'm not mistaken.

No berries or tropicals like mango. Bananas and citrus should be ok (depends

on your child).

Allergies are very different from intolerances, and there are not any

reliable tests for intolerances. Most children who do well on the GFCFSF

diet do so because they don't tolerate casein, gluten and soy. Not because

they are allergic to them. Allergies are immune system responses.

Intolerance means the enzymes necessary for digestion are missing or

damaged.

Kristy

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neidhardtashley

Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 10:25 AM

Subject: DIET

I am trying to start my son on Dr G's diet and have a few questions

1. Are you not allowed any whole grain or only wheat? I know it says

Cherrios are ok but they are whole grain.

2. Does anyone have a list of fruits your allowed? I found no tropical. My

son eats bannanas, oranges, grapefruit mostly.

3. My son tested negative via food allergy testing. I dont believe it was

done using the IGE. He had skin prick and blood

[Guest guest]

I was told No by Dr G several months ago but the response is inconsistent. I

believe it is that way because Dr G looks through the food diary after seeing

immune activation on the blood work. If the numbers are high he runs through the

foods and looks for the reason. If you have honey in the diary and there is no

increase in immune activation he may not remove it. The same with other foods.

He is looking at your kids reaction not at an " OK or Not OK " list of foods.

From: meredithadams3 <meredithadams3@...>

Subject: Diet

Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 12:33 PM

Hello

Can anyone tell me if honey is OK on the diet?

Thanks,

Meredith

[Guest guest]

Good luck and keep us posted. I too believe that extra weight is at the root of

a lot of pain. It is very difficult to keep it down when you can't exercise but

it sure is important.

Lexie

[Guest guest]

Hi , do you know which medications make you queasy, I've been

feeling that way lately and have been trying to figure out which medication is

doing it...

thanks

ilene

In a message dated 8/7/2009 12:10:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

damgalnuna@... writes:

I've been struggling with this too. When taking some of my meds, I start to

crave sugar like crazy. With others, they make me a bit queasy, so I eat

crackers or something like that to settle my stomach. I don't feel up to

cooking, so I order takeout frequently. My pain is not under control yet, so I

have a hard time pushing myself to exercise. I really need to get this

weight off (about 50 excess pounts) but have been struggling with it for a

while now.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Guest guest]

I've been struggling with this too. When taking some of my meds, I start to

crave sugar like crazy. With others, they make me a bit queasy, so I eat

crackers or something like that to settle my stomach. I don't feel up to

cooking, so I order takeout frequently. My pain is not under control yet, so I

have a hard time pushing myself to exercise. I really need to get this weight

off (about 50 excess pounts) but have been struggling with it for a while now.

[Guest guest]

I have always been a swimmer, I use to teach it. I have been tread water

for exercise, you move both your arms and legs to stay up, the legs can

either be like a scissor or bike, and the arms can be wide circular

movements. It is the constant motion in the water that I found to be great

exercise, and would build up to being able to do it for an hour at a time, till

my

right arm became as weak as it is now. another stroke that is easy on the

back and good for the arms and legs is the side stroke, just have to

remember to switch sides you swim on, I use to do 2 laps right side and then 2

laps left side. Hopefully after I have surgery my rt arm with gain strength

and I will be able to swim again.

ilene

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[Guest guest]

If you can get access to a pool somehow, it will help significantly. After

having the experience of a couple of rounds of pool PT, I just go and strap on

the flotation cuffs and exercise. In the pool, with the right amount of

flotation, your body is neutrally bouyant, ...floating. At that point you can do

an incredible amount of pain free exercise. There is a hitch however, you will

be sore on day 2 so for full effect, you need to do it at least 2 times a week.

I know its tough with high pain days. Lately I have been exercising through the

pain and stopping for spikes and waiting for them to subside. If they do not,

I'm done.

spinal problems

From: Ileney54@...

Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 00:13:22 -0400

Subject: Re: Diet

Hi , do you know which medications make you queasy, I've been

feeling that way lately and have been trying to figure out which medication is

doing it...

thanks

ilene

In a message dated 8/7/2009 12:10:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

damgalnuna@... writes:

I've been struggling with this too. When taking some of my meds, I start to

crave sugar like crazy. With others, they make me a bit queasy, so I eat

crackers or something like that to settle my stomach. I don't feel up to

cooking, so I order takeout frequently. My pain is not under control yet, so I

have a hard time pushing myself to exercise. I really need to get this

weight off (about 50 excess pounts) but have been struggling with it for a

while now.

[Guest guest]

" Jay A. Rovert " <jay12@...> wrote:

>

> Two edged sword.......In a perfect world I agree that keeping the " perfect "

diet is helpful, but so many on this site complain of gut issues so salads &

veggies might be out of the question. All I know is that steel cut oats help my

gut tremendously so I am inclined to continue.

My gut issues vanished when I gave up sugars and starches. For many, many

people it is the fermentation of sugars (from sugar and starches) that drives

chronic GI issues.

If you are eating things that ferment and cause gas, then your gut is always a

bit stretched and inflamed. And then, of course, salads will set it off. But

if you eliminate those foods that cause the fermentation and gas and release of

toxins, and give your innards a chance to heal, then salads become just fine.

> Specifically I remember speaking to a receptionist at one of the top LLMD's

offices in NE ...she was a former patient & recovered....I asked her about CoQ10

and she laughed at me while drinking Coke...Supplements are TOO expensive for

her budget........

That is her choice. She may be genetically fortunate enough to deal with it

just fine.

> Keep this in perspective....If we put SOOO much effort in food & timing of

supplements we are liable to get very angry with life....

I don't feel that way at all. I don't worry too much about timing. I just

measure out a day's worth, and take it throughout the day as I think of it. If

they are still there at bed time, I take them then.

But I've been at this for 5 years now, and I'm on more of a maintenance regimen.

In the beginning, I payed attention to timing.

But it never made me angry. I have always been very grateful that there is

effective treatment for me. And I am happy that if I do what I need to do, I

feel quite well. I focus on things I want to do, rather than focusing on my

illness. And fitting my various herbs and foods around my life is not a burden.

And occasionally, I cheat.

D.

>

>

[Guest guest]

It depends on how militant you want to be with your diet really

I always found a low GI type diet very helpful eating small portions frequently

throughout the day

Mine was something like

8am

Porridge with raisins and cinnamin or poached egg on wholemeal bread

11amWholemeal pitta with chicken/salad

3pmRye/crackers with ham/low fat chees

7pm

Salmon/steak/chicken with new potatoes broccoli and carrots eveing meal

when hungry i would snack on grapes and apples

also essential fats are good like advocados and olive oil/nuts ect if you want

to replace the carbs from that meal with fats!

Hope that helps

Dan

[Guest guest]

>

> It depends on how militant you want to be with your diet really

>

> I always found a low GI type diet very helpful eating small portions

frequently throughout the day

>

> Mine was something like

>

> 8am

> Porridge with raisins and cinnamin or poached egg on wholemeal bread

>

> 11amWholemeal pitta with chicken/salad

>

> 3pmRye/crackers with ham/low fat chees

>

> 7pm

> Salmon/steak/chicken with new potatoes broccoli and carrots eveing meal

>

> when hungry i would snack on grapes and apples

>

> also essential fats are good like advocados and olive oil/nuts ect if you want

to replace the carbs from that meal with fats!

>

> Hope that helps

>

> Dan

>

Hi Dan,

I have tried similar diets,but it would probably be too high in carbs for

me and fruit upsets my stomach.But thankyou for your reply,they dont seem to

occur very often.

Best wishes Sharon

[Guest guest]

That is relatively Low carb and you could adjust the portion sized to your own

needs

also to point out that the lower you drop carbohydrate the more stress the body

is under to regulate sugar levels

In some studies it has shown that this can effect t4/t3 conversion

carbohydrates are good and if eaten at the right times can actually help you

loose weight by keeping you fuller for longer.

just make sure you taper the amount over the course of the day in the evening

you wont store any as fat.

drop me a mail if you need any more help as i have alot of experience in this

area

Dan

[Guest guest]

I beg to differ, it makes no difference at what time of day you eat, it is

calories consumed in TOTAL during a 24 hour period that counts. I am fed up of

hearing 'you shouldn't eat carbs at your evening meal' etc.

All things in moderation is the best plan and less calories and more exercise (I

know from experience this can be difficult) is the only way forward.

After some deep reflection on my illness I have come to the conclusion that

people who are hypo (usually) have a very poor appetite and may not consume

ENOUGH calories, this in turn leads the body to go into 'famine mode' where it

converts EVERYTHING you eat to fat!!

I was given a diet sheet by a dietician once, she was quite shocked when I said,

" How do you expect me to eat ALL THIS? "

The way I think of it is that carbs come in two forms, whole grains and refined.

Refined carbs are empty calories and do you no good, they provide little in the

way of energy and what they do provide is short - term.

Wholegrains such as granary type bread, wholemeal pasta and wild / brown rice

take longer for the body to break down and release their energy over the longer

term.

As a rule of thumb the more processed the food the less good for your body.

Your body burns calories as it is digesting and processing food and frankly

works better!

I did some research on diets of the 18th and 19th centuries and discovered that

most people used wholemeal flour for everything, cakes, bread and pastry and the

only processed / fast food was fish and chips!!

Well that's my take on it anyway, I've tried most diets except the Atkins,

(which I find revolting), Weight Watchers, Rosemary Conley, South Beach and

strict calorie controlled and have found that none of them work for me.

If I cut my calories I put on weight.

These days I eat a healthy diet, plenty of fresh fruit, though I buy ready

prepared and frozen veg because of the arthritis in my hands. I cook all my

food from scratch,(low fat, becaus fat makes me feel sick or gives me

heartburn!!), in large batches and frozen in portions (calorie counted)as

sometimes I get in late and don't feel like cooking a meal.

Glynis

" ............carbohydrates are good and if eaten at the right times can actually

help you loose weight by keeping you fuller for longer.

...............just make sure you taper the amount over the course of the day in

the evening you wont store any as fat.

Dan "

[Guest guest]

Dan

" If your medication is sufficient and optimised then should you not have a

healthy apetite? "

Glynis:

No I do not think this is the case, all the hypo people I have spoken to have

said the same thing, they have a poor appetite.

Dan

" Everybody is different i guess but i have experienced greater control over

weight when cutting of carbs towards the evening. "

Glynis:

If you are male this may well make a difference, maybe not so for females who

are more prone to 'famine mode'.

Dan 

anyone found their apetite come back once they were optimised or still struiggle

with eating vast amnounts?

Glynis

Can I ask why you would think that hypothyroid people eat 'vast amounts'? As I

have already stated from the people I have spoken to this is NOT the case.

I think you might have fallen into the trap of believing the endo b******t!!

[Guest guest]

Glynis i think you have miss read my post

all i am trying to say is that " before! " you start medication you are hypo!

once " optimised! " on medication you are euthyroid? or have a normally

functioning metabolism?if so theoretically your apetite should resume to that of

wich it was before becoming hypothyroid?or should improove from your hypothyroid

apetite?.

for example i used to have a huge apetite but since i have become more hypo i

have not real desire to eat so i manage 2000 cals a day,i havent said anywhere

that " hypos eat alot " at all and i understand that it may be difficault to

consume more calories when your metabolism is slow(personal experience)

just kinda hoping once im sorted that i can go out and enjoy a nice mixed grill

and chips instead of staring at the plate wondering how i am going to get it

from the plate to my stomach!! ...

[Guest guest]

Hi Dan,

Maybe I did misread your post but the statements I answered I pulled straight

from your post, for example:-

" Dan

anyone found their apetite come back once they were optimised or still struiggle

with eating vast amnounts? "

Which I took to mean people struggling to STOP eating so much!

On a personal level I think that once you are hypothyroid you will always be

hypothyroid. Medication may reduce or remove your symptoms but you will never

be 'normal' again.

Much as a diabetic takes medication but is still diabetic.

Some symptoms it seems never go, I know quite a lot of hypo people in my area

and they all still complain of being cold, (for instance) and as I said, have

poor appetite even though they are on Armour or are happy on Levothyroxine.

Also as I said, it is different for women too, women are more prone to being

hypo because our metabolism is different to a mans.

Although 'optimised' medidation is an ideal situation it does NOT make you

euthyroid. This is my personal take on it.

Glynis

all i am trying to say is that " before! " you start medication you are hypo! once

" optimised! " on medication you are euthyroid? or have a normally functioning

metabolism?

if so theoretically your apetite should resume to that of wich it was before

becoming hypothyroid?or should improove from your hypothyroid apetite?.

>

> for example i used to have a huge apetite but since i have become more hypo i

have not real desire to eat so i manage 2000 cals a day,

>

> just kinda hoping once im sorted that i can go out and enjoy a nice mixed

grill and chips instead of staring at the plate wondering how i am going to get

it from the plate to my stomach!! ...

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dan,

Sorry I havent replied but my daughter has had homework to do.I do find I

need carbs and even crave them,but when I eat carbs,I get very tired and

lethargic.I'm not properly medicated at the moment and hope I can find a stable

diet once I am.My metabolism is so sluggish,my whole body feels like a dustbin

and it makes me feel like I'm full of toxins,which I probably am!There is an

illness caused by the body not processing carbs properly,I dont know if it's

something to do with insulin resistance and people have to follow a very low

carb high protein diet.I dont always get hungry,but sometimes I have days where

I just cant satisfy my hunger and my daughter and hubby are the same.The trouble

with a slow metabolism is,by the time you eat another meal,you probably havent

even processed the first one,but your body tells you its hungry again!So your

body is constantly trying to process food and being overworked,which doesnt help

the strain and fatigue!

Best wishes Sharo

>

>

> That is relatively Low carb and you could adjust the portion sized to your own

needs

>

> also to point out that the lower you drop carbohydrate the more stress the

body is under to regulate sugar levels

>

[Edit Abbrev Mod]

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon

>I do find I need carbs and even crave them,but when I eat carbs,I get very

tired and lethargic

Have you tried chromium? If you check out this website, do you have any of the

symptoms? I have the symptoms and have problems with carbs too.

http://www.chromiumconnection.com/index.asp

>There is an illness caused by the body not processing carbs properly,I dont

know if it's something to do with insulin resistance and people have to follow a

very low carb high protein diet.

Eating protein causes insulin to be released, too, so i don't think that would

help with Insulin resistance?

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/diabetics-should-eat-fat.html - that author's

site and books are interesting, he advocates moderate protein, high fat, low

carbs, i believe.

>I dont always get hungry,but sometimes I have days where I just cant satisfy my

hunger and my daughter and hubby are the same.

i have had this too. Do you find that if you eat something high in protein and

fat that it helps? Eg, meat or cheese or sausages say? Do you find you can't

satisfy your hunger on carbs or on protein+fat? For me, it's carbs that i crave

at times.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Dear

 

This is some information I got from Scotson... It is a really good basis for getting body bacteria and yeast free.. I posted it on 23 December and have copied it below for your information.  I wonder with this knowledge if it might be possible to find a " balanced diet " that will suit DS and the inflexibility of the school and Respite.... However at the heart of all the problems, with over 30 years of research under her belt... says proper breathing is the only long term solution to stop the reoccurence...

 

 

Best wishes

 

 

Tracey

 

This is taken with permission from Scotson's news letter.. If anyone would like a copy of the newsletter I have a few that I can post on. Although her article mentions Cerebral Palsy, nutitrition is just as important in Autism.

 

Diet- 's Food for Thought

 

The hungriest organ in your child's body is the brain. Fed well, the brain will flourish, fed badly it will languish.

 

Children with newrological disporders are in greater need because their ability to digest and assimilate nutrients and remove toxins is affected by their abnormal breathing. Brain injured children, just like other children, need entergy, mental clarity, powers of concentration, strength and stamina, bright eyes, clear skin and good elimination.

 

Acidic, sugary, fatty, processed foods made children sick and tired. The nastiest consequence of these foods is that they ferment and putrefy in the body and feed acid loving enemy inhabitatnts of the gut such as bacteria, yeast, mould and fungus. 

 

Childrened with poor breathing are more at risk because waste acides left over from cell metabolism are normally changed to carbon dioxide and exhaled. Shallow breathers cannot achieve this so well so more toxic acids remoan in the body tissue.

 

Poor breathers also have less efficient livers, which means that cooked fats in formulae, cakes, biscuits and other processed goods will clog up the brain's capillary system.

 

Unfortunately, especially for children with Cerebral Palsy, hospital dieticians are more interested in prescribing foods to fatten up their bodies rather than nourish their brains, Parents are often advised to provide meals heavy in bad fats and sugars such as chips, cakes, full fat meats and cheeses instead of a healthy spread of vegetables, extra virgin olive oil of flax seed oil, whole grains, fish or a little organic chicken and snacks of fresh berries or avocado, warm thick veggie soup or juices, almond butter, rice cakes, yeast free bread and so on.

 

Worse still are the infant and gastronomy formulae that are full of dead fatty , sugary foods, addicting children to their sweetness and starving the brain of its vital energy supplies. According to the New Scientist, 25 May 2005, junk food is implicated in a slew of serious mental disorders.

 

The weak stomach of the CP child is soon overburdened with the act of digestion and the toxins that are produced and of course diet induced acid reflux). Added to which, if weaker breathers have heavier bodies there is even less oxygen to go round and the brain misses out again, So why impose this diet on our children? Knowledge is power and nutritional knowledge is power to the brain. Read up on nutrition wisely and rejoice in your child's new neergy, health and happiness. 

 

Best wishes

 

 

Tracey

On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 7:55 AM, melissa easthope <m.easthope@...> wrote:

 

hi everyone, after a really bad flare up of yeast and bacteria issues I have decided to look at ds diet again not sure which direction to go in as school and respite will not consider any diet changes unless prescribed by nhs dietican and the dietican doesn't believe in restriction diets, so trying to find the best way forwrd as i know the diet won't be aherded to outside the home

 

any thoughts my ds craves carbs,high sugar food and drink and mcdonalds

 

melissaxx

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon

Try raw food diet, green smoothies (fantastic) www.rawfamily.com

F

>

> Hi all,

>  

>        I posted a message last month about soya in a diet called Herbalife.I

had 1 reply to which I am greatful,but still am undecided as to what to do.I

have tried Herbalife before and have found its the only diet that helped me lose

weight and I used it before I was diagnosed hypo.I cant even remember who

replied to my post as I can no longer find the message,but they suggested there

was other substances in it that should be avoided,but I noticed nothing when I

used it and its used by the American soccer team L A Galaxy.If it helped me to

lose weight before,would it really be so bad to use even with soya in it? I have

tried searching for other protein diets with no soya in and there doesnt seem to

be any.And as I said before,I will try anything to lose weight,good or bad,so

can anyone suggest anything that I can use without any negatives to my thyroid?

>  

>                                Best wishes Sharon

>

[Guest guest]

Just posted link in chat about obesity which is very very informative.

Dr Lustig MD and Endo who actually talks sense.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/01/02/HighFructose-Corn-\

Syrup-Alters-Human-Metabolism.aspx

F

> Hi all,

>  

>        I posted a message last month about soya in a diet called Herbalife.I

had 1 reply to which I am greatful,but still am undecided as to what to do.I

have tried Herbalife before and have found its the only diet that helped me lose

weight and I used it before I was diagnosed hypo.I cant even remember who

replied to my

>

[Guest guest]

I'm so glad I avoid corn in all its forms!!

I wonder too if this vile stuff also causes the dehydration that some people

suffer from when they drink too much of these 'health' or 'sport' drinks?

Really though, if you think about it cynically then most all so called 'health'

foods have hidden dangers. Yoghurts sold in pots designed like face cream pots

that 'lower your cholesterol' and sport drinks that consist of nothing but sugar

substitutes and salt, I could go on!!!

My son tried the Atkins diet and lost so much weight I was shocked!! GP's and

endos are not telling us the truth about our illness, we are told to eat a low

fat diet and exercise more etc but it doesn't work, (well not for me!!) So who

are we to believe?

I have to say these days when I hear'Oh this stuff makes you lose weight' or

'This stuff is really healthy and good for you' I ask, WHERE IS THE PROOF!!

** My cousin tried the equivalent stuff (on prescription) to that 'Alli' they

are selling in the chemists? He couldn't go anywhere as he needed to be with a

few seconds of a toilet all the time!! **

Glynis

> Just posted link in chat about obesity which is very very informative.

> Dr Lustig MD and Endo who actually talks sense.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/01/02/HighFructose-Corn-\

Syrup-Alters-Human-Metabolism.aspx

>

>

> F

[Guest guest]

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This book's good, i read it over christmas. there are kinesiolog techniques in

there for people to use to help find out what they're intolerant too - that

apparently is one of the problems with weight gain. i have been using the

techniques to see if i can identify what i'm intolerant too and it's quite

surprising. i have read that we crave what we are intolerant to.

it's well worth a read i think; only £4.49 on Amazon and TPA will get a cut if

you buy it through them i guess?

chris

=====

> My son tried the Atkins diet and lost so much weight I was shocked!! GP's and

endos are not telling us the truth about our illness, we are told to eat a low

fat diet and exercise more etc but it doesn't work, (well not for me!!) So who

are we to believe?

> Glynis

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

My name is Theodora Mantzourani and as you probably know I'll be delighted to

advise TPA members on several matters, for example, nutrition, hormonal balance,

weight loss etc in my new capacity as TPA medical advisor.

I practise as you can see, alongside conventional general practice, " functional

medicine " - a new approach to health & disease which is more patient-centred than

conventional practise and helps us clinicians identify and ameliorate

dysfunctions in the physiology and biochemistry of the human body as a primary

method of improving patient health. Functional medicine acknowledges, for

instance,that chronic disease is almost always preceded by a lengthy period of

declining function in one or more of the body's systems and returning patients

to health requires reversing (or substantially improving) the specific

dysfunctions that have contributed to the disease state.

Following Sharon's post on soya protein diets and concerns about thyroid disease

I thought it might interest you to know the functional medicine point of view:

First, I just want to remind those who might have forgotten what the fuss is

about; isoflavones from soya have been found to be iodinated by TPO and it was

therefore hypothesized that they might compete with thyroglobulin as sites for

iodination.(TPO is involved in the iodination of thyroglobulin, after which T4

is produced from the iodinated thyroglobulin). Further studies have shown

conflicting results. For example, a high level of soyabean intake in animals has

been implicated in goitres (diet-induced) in a number of studies. In other

studies, though, genistein (the principal isoflavone found in soyabean) did not

induce an apparent hypothyroid effect.

In a human study(observation study)half of the participants on a high soya

intake diet(30 gr/day) experienced transient hypometabolic symptoms such as

malaise sleepiness, constipation and goitres which disappeared within one month

after soya was removed from the diet. The interesting thing, though, was that

in a subgroup of these subjects, dietary iodide levels were lower during the

soya diet.

Information from both animal and human studies suggests that as soya isoflavones

are increased in the diet a reasonable precaution is to also increase iodide in

the diet. Soya isoflavones and thyroid function may be of clinical concern in

the use of soya formulas in the first years of life and increased intake of

isoflavones may be contra-indicated for infants who already have hypothyroid

symptoms.Reports indicate that increasing soya intake can reduce the absorption

of exogenous thyroid hormone in infants with thyroid dysfunction. This is not a

result of an adverse effect of soya on thyroid metabolism but rather, soya's

impact on the absorption of orally administered exogenous thyroid hormone.

Therefore, the use of soya-based formula should be approached with caution in

infants with hypothyroidism.

All the above info suggests and this should be the " take home " message that

normal levels of soya intake is not " goitrogenic " BUT ADEQUATE levels of IODIDE

and SELENIUM should be maintained during the soya diet to support proper hormone

production and metabolism. One study in 2003 demonstrated that soya isoflavones

did not adversely affect thyroid function in iodine-replete subjects. And, for

individuals on exogenous thyroid supplementation, thyroid hormones should be

monitored when a person changes to a high soya protein diet, like Sharon's.

So as long as there is adequate iodine and selenium and regular thyroid

function monitoring, a soya protein diet should be OK.

Protein diets are generally easy to follow and commit to because of rapid weight

loss (at least initially) and higher satiety (less hunger) therefore less

quitting (as compared with traditional hypocaloric balanced diets).

On the other hand, there can be confusion as to what is defined as a " protein

diet " and many commercial products can be " high " protein(exceeding the WHO

recommendations on daily protein requirements) with potential health hazards

especially for people with renal/liver disease or on certain medications.

As far as I know, protein diet products contain soya protein (to some extent)

among their ingredients.

While on a protein diet it is advisable to seek medical supervision and, indeed,

many of these protein methods demand medical supervision as a prerequisite for

registering with them.

As you may all know - from TPA Christmas newsletter - I apply a certain protein

diet called Proteifine Protein Diet which is part of a weight management

solution for all those who are either very (morbidly) obese (despite several

attempts at weight loss) or carry a few extra (and EXTRA resistant) pounds.

Briefly, the method is a multi-phased diet (from strict phase 1 through to mixed

phases 2 & 3 to phases 4,5,6 and finally phase 7 or balanced/maintenance diet).

Phase 1 relies exclusively on specially formulated products(100 types of

functional foods in the form of breakfast cereals, pancakes, crepes, cakes,

puddings, omelettes, yoghurts, desserts, chocolate bars of many different

flavours, biscuits, toasts, breadsticks and risottos/pasta and many ready made

dishes.)

The regime is personalized according to individual protein requirements and is

supplemented with all essential minerals and vitamins (again according to

individual needs).

The whole thing is medically supervised so that all patients can be safe in the

knowledge that there is absolutely no health risk or nutritional deficiency

(given that most of you are diabetic, hypothyroid etc and on medications) and

the weight loss is approximately 7-10 kgs/month or even more in the very obese.

The mixed phases are a combination of protein products as above with fresh

produce (as per doctor's instructions) and as you can see they are more gentle

but still allow a rapid weight loss of 5-7 kgs/month or more in the very obese.

The other phases are even more gentle (with 1-2 products/day) and are indicated

for special categories e.g frail patients, very elderly or patients with special

health risks or for gradual re-introduction of all food groups after a

successful weight loss.

The re-introduction of all food groups including chocolate and nuts etc and

nutritional re-education follows the principles of nutritional Chronobiology,

the study of temporal biorhythms(circadian and other) to which hormonal and

enzymatic secretion is subject; basically, it is the knowledge of WHAT to eat

and WHEN so as to ensure optimal absorption/digestion/metabolism and minimal or

none at all storage.In this way we can eat healthily and indulge without storing

excess fat. For example, the best breakfast is eggs and/or butter or cheese (for

those can digest it) or, in other words saturated fat and some protein due to

maximum bile production in the morning and the need for cholesterol (building

block for our steroids) followed by a protein -rich lunch in the form of lean

animal protein. Fruit or fruit juice in the morning is not recommended as it

leads to high insulin and hypoglycaemia with more snacking and possible weight

gain and long term insulin resistance; on the other hand, teatime is the perfect

time to satisfy your sweet tooth as at this time there is a peak of insulin

(which follows a circadian rhythm) and a piece of fruit or a block of dark

chocolate or even jam and some nuts would be a great and guilt-free) choice of

snack!!

Nutritional Chronobiology (or Rythmonutrition as patented by Proteifine protein

diet solution) is the best way of keeping the weight off and staying slim long

term. For people with dopamine/serotonin imbalances, for example, those with

sweet cravings, emotional eating, women on contraceptives(which tend to cause

serotonin deficiencies), people with chronic constipation (another cause of

serotonin deficiency) or those with extra stressful lifestyles or those who tend

to skip breakfast or favour carbohydrates over protein/fat at breakfast

(therefore causing a dopamine/ catecholamine imbalance manifesting with

tiredness in the morning, or poor concentration/decision making/ mental focus

etc there are special supplements correcting the above deficiencies and taking

away the need for constant, compulsive snacking etc.

I am in the process of teaching the Proteifine method to other doctors as I am

aware of the difficulties people outside London may have in coming to my

surgery so if your doctors are interested I would be more than happy to arrange

FREE training in the method for them as I am the official UK trainer.

I could also give you some indicative menus (following the Rythmonutrition

rules) after discussing with Sheila to help you drop a few excess pounds due to

Christmas over indulging (well done to you for this!!).

Finally, I want to thank you all for welcoming me to TPA UK: I'll be around for

any troubles or " puzzles " that might arise and I'd be more than happy to give

you my humble opinion.

Take care and may 2010 bring you all health and happiness!!

All the best

Theodora

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> Hi,

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>     I was wondering about what the right diet would be for a hypo person with

related problems like adrenal fatigue.There have been people asking similar

questions on the forum,but havent seen any replies really.I've tried so many

diets its tiring,but have probably got the best results from Herbalife.I lost

over 3 stone and that was before I was diagnosed as hypo [even though I knew I

was hypo before diagnosis!] My daughter and my hubby tried it too with equally

good results,but as usual,financial difficulties get in the way.

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Hi Theodora,Great to meet you, I have read your post with great interest re the diet and would be very interested to learn more so an insight into the type of menus would be most welcome. Thank You in advance - Carol K . As you may all know - from TPA Christmas newsletter - I apply a certain protein diet called Proteifine Protein Diet which is part of a weight management solution for all those who are either very (morbidly) obese (despite several attempts at weight loss) or carry a few extra (and EXTRA resistant) pounds.I could also give you some indicative menus (following the Rythmonutrition rules) after discussing with Sheila to help you drop a few excess pounds due to Christmas over indulging (well done to you for this!!).