Re: Credibility issues

May 28, 2006

Sunny,

That is the purpose of a support forum. We share our experiences, and

sometimes vent.

Hopefully, we can also pass on factual information, as well. We probably won't

be

technically accurate, 100% of the time, because we do speak from our own

understanding,

which varies depending on our background etc.

You are right about there being a larger picture. That picture involves medical

research,

and how (and by whom) it is done. Right now, there is little incentive or funds

for

independent research into systemic illness and breast implants.

> > > >

> > > > The medical community largely dismisses the notion that the

> foreign body, silicone,

> > > implanted into the body causes illness. This is dismissed

> because there has been no

> > > presentation regarding the formation of mold and fungus. Were

> THAT presented with

> > > results from cultures, the medical community would BELIEVE.

> That the mere presence

> > of a

> > > silicone implant is responsible for so many illnesses is

> dismissed because it makes no

> > > sense UNTIL the development of fungus is presented. Please

> know that this theory has

> > not

> > > made its way into the medical literature.

> > > >

> > > > Can anyone send me actual culture results along with

> implant histories?

> > > >

> > > > Thank you,

> > > > Sherry

> > > >

> > >

> > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> given by licensed health

> > care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health

> care professional before

> > commencing any medical treatment.

> > >

> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> mislead you. Find out what

> > the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a

> happy life and how to work

> > for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner

> (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

> > Peace)

> > >

> > > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this

> link:

> > > http://.shutterfly.com/action/

> > >

May 28, 2006

Statements like " it was in my brain all the way to my feet" get in the way of physicians taking you seriously. Physicians are literal creatures and when patients make such statements, since they are not literally factual, credibility is lost. Instead, present yourself with accuracy and without any drama.

How would you feel about saying, instead, "Soon after my implantation, I developed numerous systemic symptoms such that I felt overwhelmingly ill and was unable to impact any improvement in my health regardless of what remedies various physicians prescribed. I became more and more ill. Eventually, I was encouraged to consider a linkage between my debilitating symptoms and my implants and encouraged to have them removed. When they were removed, the implants were found to have deteriorated and, in addition to having leaked into my lymphatic system, they were actually infiltrated by mold and fungus. Soon after explantation, my illnesses began to ease and recovery seemed to be in progress. I look forward to physicians looking more closely at cases such as mine so as to avoid recurrences of these grave problems for other women."

Sherry

Re: Credibility issues

Lea,

AMEN to that story. I am going to read your story and so sorry those things destroyed your health. I am talking Saline for me and in one year and 4 months destroyed me so I understand. I don't feel like we have to convince anyone of this we know the truth. I am a firm believer, I don't have the pathologist reports back, but when I get them I will let everyone know what was growing in my one year old saline implants. Whatever it was no antibiotics could kill it, it was in my brain all the way to my feet. I believe every word anyone says about silicone and saline, I am living proof of the fact.

Donna

May 28, 2006

Sherry,

It sounds like you feel every woman who presents herself with

problems like this should at least have a bachelor's degree and know

how to talk about their problems. Most of us simply do not have a

M.D. attached to our names and have to use what we have to describe

our symptoms. I may have been fortunate that I knew how to talk with

my doctors (neurologists (2) and others) and they agreed my implant

caused my brain fog and neurological symptoms. Many women simply do

not have the words to do this. It is simply too much to expect when

you have such severe problems.

Many have such serious brain damage and brain fog that they are lucky

to be able to tell the doctor what parts of their bodies are giving

them problems.

Most doctors just do not have the time or will not take the time to

really find out what is wrong.

Lynda

At 05:51 PM 5/28/2006, you wrote:

>Statements like " it was in my brain all the way to my feet " get in

>the way of physicians taking you seriously. Physicians are literal

>creatures and when patients make such statements, since they are not

>literally factual, credibility is lost. Instead, present yourself

>with accuracy and without any drama.

>

>How would you feel about saying, instead, " Soon after my

>implantation, I developed numerous systemic symptoms such that I

>felt overwhelmingly ill and was unable to impact any improvement in

>my health regardless of what remedies various physicians prescribed.

>I became more and more ill. Eventually, I was encouraged to consider

>a linkage between my debilitating symptoms and my implants and

>encouraged to have them removed. When they were removed, the

>implants were found to have deteriorated and, in addition to having

>leaked into my lymphatic system, they were actually infiltrated by

>mold and fungus. Soon after explantation, my illnesses began to ease

>and recovery seemed to be in progress. I look forward to physicians

>looking more closely at cases such as mine so as to avoid

>recurrences of these grave problems for other women. "

> Sherry

> Re: Credibility issues

>

>Lea,

>

>AMEN to that story. I am going to read your story and so sorry

>those things destroyed your health. I am talking Saline for me and

>in one year and 4 months destroyed me so I understand. I don't feel

>like we have to convince anyone of this we know the truth. I am a

>firm believer, I don't have the pathologist reports back, but when I

>get them I will let everyone know what was growing in my one year

>old saline implants. Whatever it was no antibiotics could kill it,

>it was in my brain all the way to my feet. I believe every word

>anyone says about silicone and saline, I am living proof of the fact.

>

>Donna

>

>Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

>by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

>licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

>mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

>decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

>better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

>Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

>See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.co\

m/action/

>

May 28, 2006

This is a good point. The more factual we can be, in discussing our situation

wtih our

doctors, the better. There will be (and are) some for whom it won't matter how

we discuss

it. Those doctors have their minds shut. But we won't know until we try. I

have had

mixed success. Some doctors most certainly do listen, but others don't.

I hope that more doctors who have implants, or family members who do, will help

spread

the message that these can cause systemic problems. They may be in a better

position to

influence their colleagues.

>

> Statements like " it was in my brain all the way to my feet " get in the way of

physicians

taking you seriously. Physicians are literal creatures and when patients make

such

statements, since they are not literally factual, credibility is lost. Instead,

present yourself

with accuracy and without any drama.

>

> How would you feel about saying, instead, " Soon after my implantation, I

developed

numerous systemic symptoms such that I felt overwhelmingly ill and was unable to

impact

any improvement in my health regardless of what remedies various physicians

prescribed.

I became more and more ill. Eventually, I was encouraged to consider a linkage

between

my debilitating symptoms and my implants and encouraged to have them removed.

When

they were removed, the implants were found to have deteriorated and, in addition

to

having leaked into my lymphatic system, they were actually infiltrated by mold

and fungus.

Soon after explantation, my illnesses began to ease and recovery seemed to be in

progress. I look forward to physicians looking more closely at cases such as

mine so as to

avoid recurrences of these grave problems for other women. "

> Sherry

> Re: Credibility issues

>

> Lea,

>

> AMEN to that story. I am going to read your story and so sorry those things

destroyed

your health. I am talking Saline for me and in one year and 4 months destroyed

me so I

understand. I don't feel like we have to convince anyone of this we know the

truth. I am a

firm believer, I don't have the pathologist reports back, but when I get them I

will let

everyone know what was growing in my one year old saline implants. Whatever it

was no

antibiotics could kill it, it was in my brain all the way to my feet. I believe

every word

anyone says about silicone and saline, I am living proof of the fact.

>

> Donna

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

licensed health

care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional

before

commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

Find out what

the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and

how to work

for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

Chemistry; 1963,

Peace)

>

> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

>

May 28, 2006

Maybe that's why we need to enlist doctors like Sherry and others here and on

E.com and

elsewhere to help spread the message.

This is a serious problem, because so many women are not getting helped.

> >Statements like " it was in my brain all the way to my feet " get in

> >the way of physicians taking you seriously. Physicians are literal

> >creatures and when patients make such statements, since they are not

> >literally factual, credibility is lost. Instead, present yourself

> >with accuracy and without any drama.

> >

> >How would you feel about saying, instead, " Soon after my

> >implantation, I developed numerous systemic symptoms such that I

> >felt overwhelmingly ill and was unable to impact any improvement in

> >my health regardless of what remedies various physicians prescribed.

> >I became more and more ill. Eventually, I was encouraged to consider

> >a linkage between my debilitating symptoms and my implants and

> >encouraged to have them removed. When they were removed, the

> >implants were found to have deteriorated and, in addition to having

> >leaked into my lymphatic system, they were actually infiltrated by

> >mold and fungus. Soon after explantation, my illnesses began to ease

> >and recovery seemed to be in progress. I look forward to physicians

> >looking more closely at cases such as mine so as to avoid

> >recurrences of these grave problems for other women. "

> > Sherry

> > Re: Credibility issues

> >

> >Lea,

> >

> >AMEN to that story. I am going to read your story and so sorry

> >those things destroyed your health. I am talking Saline for me and

> >in one year and 4 months destroyed me so I understand. I don't feel

> >like we have to convince anyone of this we know the truth. I am a

> >firm believer, I don't have the pathologist reports back, but when I

> >get them I will let everyone know what was growing in my one year

> >old saline implants. Whatever it was no antibiotics could kill it,

> >it was in my brain all the way to my feet. I believe every word

> >anyone says about silicone and saline, I am living proof of the fact.

> >

> >Donna

> >

> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

> >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

> >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

> >Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

>

><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.co\

m/

action/

> >

May 28, 2006

Perhaps, but most of the women presenting to doctors are not on lines

like this.

Lynda

At 06:01 PM 5/28/2006, you wrote:

>Maybe that's why we need to enlist doctors like Sherry and others

>here and on E.com and

>elsewhere to help spread the message.

>

>This is a serious problem, because so many women are not getting helped.

>

> > >Statements like " it was in my brain all the way to my feet " get in

> > >the way of physicians taking you seriously. Physicians are literal

> > >creatures and when patients make such statements, since they are not

> > >literally factual, credibility is lost. Instead, present yourself

> > >with accuracy and without any drama.

> > >

> > >How would you feel about saying, instead, " Soon after my

> > >implantation, I developed numerous systemic symptoms such that I

> > >felt overwhelmingly ill and was unable to impact any improvement in

> > >my health regardless of what remedies various physicians prescribed.

> > >I became more and more ill. Eventually, I was encouraged to consider

> > >a linkage between my debilitating symptoms and my implants and

> > >encouraged to have them removed. When they were removed, the

> > >implants were found to have deteriorated and, in addition to having

> > >leaked into my lymphatic system, they were actually infiltrated by

> > >mold and fungus. Soon after explantation, my illnesses began to ease

> > >and recovery seemed to be in progress. I look forward to physicians

> > >looking more closely at cases such as mine so as to avoid

> > >recurrences of these grave problems for other women. "

> > > Sherry

> > > Re: Credibility issues

> > >

> > >Lea,

> > >

> > >AMEN to that story. I am going to read your story and so sorry

> > >those things destroyed your health. I am talking Saline for me and

> > >in one year and 4 months destroyed me so I understand. I don't feel

> > >like we have to convince anyone of this we know the truth. I am a

> > >firm believer, I don't have the pathologist reports back, but when I

> > >get them I will let everyone know what was growing in my one year

> > >old saline implants. Whatever it was no antibiotics could kill it,

> > >it was in my brain all the way to my feet. I believe every word

> > >anyone says about silicone and saline, I am living proof of the fact.

> > >

> > >Donna

> > >

> > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

> > >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> > >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> > >

> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> > >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

> > >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

> > >Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > >

> > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> > ><<http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://salinesuppor

> t.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.com/

>action/

> > >

May 28, 2006

Donna,

THe fact is that doctors SHOULD listen to their patients, regardless of how

ineloquently

they may present themselves. That is, after all, a doctor's job. The problem

is that

doctors have historically not taken women as seriously as men, and with breast

implants,

the problem is even worse.

I had a friend who was very well-spoken and well-educated but had an HMO. She

told the

doctor repeatedly that she had excessive bleeding and was getting sicker and

sicker. The

doctor would not refer her to a specialist except a psychiatrist. As it turned

out, my friend

had ovarian cancer.

It is NOT right that doctors have closed minds on the issue of breast implants.

The sad

fact is that most of them do, because they are told by the 'experts' that

implants are safe.

And unless you can somehow get through that bias, they are not going to listen.

That is

where unfortunately we do need as much help as we can get, through people who

know

how to talk to them. God knows I don't. I have no patience with most doctors.

>

> Sherry,

>

> I am not that smart ok lets face it as sick as I have been the past year I

> had no other way of explaining it. I have been to so many doctors and told

them

> from day one it was my implants. I am not a doctor. You know someone like

> me I go to doctor what's wrong well my ears hurt, my tongue feels thick, my

> pain goes around my right ear up into my brain and I have tingeling into my

hands

> and feet. This is my symptoms sorry I don't know how medical Dr's want you

> to explain it to them for them to help you. There is no drama that is the

> symptoms point blank, except I failed to mention about 25 or so others. I was

not

> taken serious, oh so now they are excused because they are more educated then

> me. I didn't know what the heck was wrong with me, all I knew is I got

> implants and felt like shit ever since. I told them just like that period. I

am

> just and old hillbilly I guess and so I guess it's ok for Dr's not to take me

> serious. I remember to go get a medical degree so I can get some real

> treatment in the future. I think if a doctor is told well I feel like shit

since BA

> then wouldn't you think they might be intelligent enough to run a test on you.

> Oh no I guess 30 year PS are not required to do this. I am getting nowhere

> with this subject. Sherry if you have implants and are having symptoms, I

> would suggest you get them removed before it gets any worse. I wish I had

been

> smart enough to know I would have had mine removed before they almost killed

me.

> I guess this is over with at least I hope so, just because you know medical

> terms doesn't mean I do. I have no idea what this means, this is why I went

> to so many doctors hoping they were educated to help me on this issue. Good

> Luck Sherry!!!

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Donna

>

May 28, 2006

Lynda,

I couldn't agree with you more! . . . I'm convinced

what breast implants do to a woman's brain is even

more devastating that what it does to her body.

By the time I had my implants removed (silicone gel -

16 years), I couldn't do the simplest job right! . . .

I got lost just driving down the street! I couldn't

carry a number across the room (still can't) . . .

It's humiliating to make stupid mistakes, to stumble

over words, and to substitute the wrong words when

speaking! . . . One can only make a joke of it " It's a

blonde moment. " . . . but it hurts just the same!

I've noticed from the first support meeting that

implant women tend to take things personally,

misconstrue things, take offense, get defensive, have

anger outbursts, mood swings, etc. far more than

average. When you get a room full of implanted women,

it's much different than other groups of women. Lynda

as a support leader, I know you know what I mean!

It really makes it easy for doctors to treat us like

we're nutz . . . when their " safe " devices are at the

root of the problem!

Hugs,

Rogene

--- Lynda <coss@...> wrote:

> Sherry,

> It sounds like you feel every woman who presents

> herself with

> problems like this should at least have a bachelor's

> degree and know

> how to talk about their problems. Most of us simply

> do not have a

> M.D. attached to our names and have to use what we

> have to describe

> our symptoms. I may have been fortunate that I knew

> how to talk with

> my doctors (neurologists (2) and others) and they

> agreed my implant

> caused my brain fog and neurological symptoms. Many

> women simply do

> not have the words to do this. It is simply too

> much to expect when

> you have such severe problems.

>

> Many have such serious brain damage and brain fog

> that they are lucky

> to be able to tell the doctor what parts of their

> bodies are giving

> them problems.

>

> Most doctors just do not have the time or will not

> take the time to

> really find out what is wrong.

>

> Lynda

>

> At 05:51 PM 5/28/2006, you wrote:

> >Statements like " it was in my brain all the way to

> my feet " get in

> >the way of physicians taking you seriously.

> Physicians are literal

> >creatures and when patients make such statements,

> since they are not

> >literally factual, credibility is lost. Instead,

> present yourself

> >with accuracy and without any drama.

> >

> >How would you feel about saying, instead, " Soon

> after my

> >implantation, I developed numerous systemic

> symptoms such that I

> >felt overwhelmingly ill and was unable to impact

> any improvement in

> >my health regardless of what remedies various

> physicians prescribed.

> >I became more and more ill. Eventually, I was

> encouraged to consider

> >a linkage between my debilitating symptoms and my

> implants and

> >encouraged to have them removed. When they were

> removed, the

> >implants were found to have deteriorated and, in

> addition to having

> >leaked into my lymphatic system, they were actually

> infiltrated by

> >mold and fungus. Soon after explantation, my

> illnesses began to ease

> >and recovery seemed to be in progress. I look

> forward to physicians

> >looking more closely at cases such as mine so as to

> avoid

> >recurrences of these grave problems for other

> women. "

> > Sherry

> > Re: Credibility issues

> >

> >Lea,

> >

> >AMEN to that story. I am going to read your story

> and so sorry

> >those things destroyed your health. I am talking

> Saline for me and

> >in one year and 4 months destroyed me so I

> understand. I don't feel

> >like we have to convince anyone of this we know the

> truth. I am a

> >firm believer, I don't have the pathologist reports

> back, but when I

> >get them I will let everyone know what was growing

> in my one year

> >old saline implants. Whatever it was no

> antibiotics could kill it,

> >it was in my brain all the way to my feet. I

> believe every word

> >anyone says about silicone and saline, I am living

> proof of the fact.

> >

> >Donna

> >

> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place

> of advice given

> >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your

> physician or

> >licensed health care professional before commencing

> any medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> politicians

> >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make

> your own

> >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to

> work for a

> >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel

> Prize Winner (1954,

> >Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access

> at this link:

>

><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.co\

m/action/

> >

May 28, 2006

Rogene,

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And not many understand that!!!

My experience with women in my group (over 10,000 at one time) was

that doctors treated them very badly except for a very few, did not

take them seriously, lied to them, etc., etc., etc.

Then there were the good doctors who listened and really tried to

help, and many did not know what to do to help. But they did listen

and did try.

The women were so ill that many could never have enunciated their

problems in a coherent way.

It is just the way this illness is, and to get some doctors to

understand is like trying to butt your head bloody on a brick wall.

Lynda

At 10:41 PM 5/28/2006, you wrote:

>Lynda,

>

>I couldn't agree with you more! . . . I'm convinced

>what breast implants do to a woman's brain is even

>more devastating that what it does to her body.

>

>By the time I had my implants removed (silicone gel -

>16 years), I couldn't do the simplest job right! . . .

>I got lost just driving down the street! I couldn't

>carry a number across the room (still can't) . . .

>It's humiliating to make stupid mistakes, to stumble

>over words, and to substitute the wrong words when

>speaking! . . . One can only make a joke of it " It's a

>blonde moment. " . . . but it hurts just the same!

>

>I've noticed from the first support meeting that

>implant women tend to take things personally,

>misconstrue things, take offense, get defensive, have

>anger outbursts, mood swings, etc. far more than

>average. When you get a room full of implanted women,

>it's much different than other groups of women. Lynda

>as a support leader, I know you know what I mean!

>

>It really makes it easy for doctors to treat us like

>we're nutz . . . when their " safe " devices are at the

>root of the problem!

>

>Hugs,

>

>Rogene

>

>--- Lynda <coss@...> wrote:

>

> > Sherry,

> > It sounds like you feel every woman who presents

> > herself with

> > problems like this should at least have a bachelor's

> > degree and know

> > how to talk about their problems. Most of us simply

> > do not have a

> > M.D. attached to our names and have to use what we

> > have to describe

> > our symptoms. I may have been fortunate that I knew

> > how to talk with

> > my doctors (neurologists (2) and others) and they

> > agreed my implant

> > caused my brain fog and neurological symptoms. Many

> > women simply do

> > not have the words to do this. It is simply too

> > much to expect when

> > you have such severe problems.

> >

> > Many have such serious brain damage and brain fog

> > that they are lucky

> > to be able to tell the doctor what parts of their

> > bodies are giving

> > them problems.

> >

> > Most doctors just do not have the time or will not

> > take the time to

> > really find out what is wrong.

> >

> > Lynda

> >

> > At 05:51 PM 5/28/2006, you wrote:

> > >Statements like " it was in my brain all the way to

> > my feet " get in

> > >the way of physicians taking you seriously.

> > Physicians are literal

> > >creatures and when patients make such statements,

> > since they are not

> > >literally factual, credibility is lost. Instead,

> > present yourself

> > >with accuracy and without any drama.

> > >

> > >How would you feel about saying, instead, " Soon

> > after my

> > >implantation, I developed numerous systemic

> > symptoms such that I

> > >felt overwhelmingly ill and was unable to impact

> > any improvement in

> > >my health regardless of what remedies various

> > physicians prescribed.

> > >I became more and more ill. Eventually, I was

> > encouraged to consider

> > >a linkage between my debilitating symptoms and my

> > implants and

> > >encouraged to have them removed. When they were

> > removed, the

> > >implants were found to have deteriorated and, in

> > addition to having

> > >leaked into my lymphatic system, they were actually

> > infiltrated by

> > >mold and fungus. Soon after explantation, my

> > illnesses began to ease

> > >and recovery seemed to be in progress. I look

> > forward to physicians

> > >looking more closely at cases such as mine so as to

> > avoid

> > >recurrences of these grave problems for other

> > women. "

> > > Sherry

> > > Re: Credibility issues

> > >

> > >Lea,

> > >

> > >AMEN to that story. I am going to read your story

> > and so sorry

> > >those things destroyed your health. I am talking

> > Saline for me and

> > >in one year and 4 months destroyed me so I

> > understand. I don't feel

> > >like we have to convince anyone of this we know the

> > truth. I am a

> > >firm believer, I don't have the pathologist reports

> > back, but when I

> > >get them I will let everyone know what was growing

> > in my one year

> > >old saline implants. Whatever it was no

> > antibiotics could kill it,

> > >it was in my brain all the way to my feet. I

> > believe every word

> > >anyone says about silicone and saline, I am living

> > proof of the fact.

> > >

> > >Donna

> > >

> > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place

> > of advice given

> > >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your

> > physician or

> > >licensed health care professional before commencing

> > any medical treatment.

> > >

> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> > politicians

> > >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make

> > your own

> > >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to

> > work for a

> > >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel

> > Prize Winner (1954,

> > >Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > >

> > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access

> > at this link:

> >

> ><<http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.

> shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.com/action/

> > >

May 29, 2006

Well you got lucky I begged for help, no luck except for the support site. Thank God for that! I was going to ask a question to you all. If a PS is a 30 year board certified to the max. Member The American Board of Plastic Surgery, Chief of his staff, etc. Should he be able to tell if a girl is infected????????????????? I was just wondering?? Should he have ran a test or even felt the cc on the right side, like Dr. Kolb did without a test?????? I was just wondering. I begged him for help in fact so many times he would laugh at me and say, Donna you miss me. I was just wondering is this one of the things a PS learns in School and continued education. Sign for infection. If you told him you had a fever is this infection? I am sorry I don't understand how someone so certified for plastic surgery for so long. Then how Dr. Kolb can tell by feeling and just looking at me?? I am a little puzzled here?

Donna

May 29, 2006

Sherry,

I hope you stay on the site and get help with getting those implants removed. All I can say is it is easy to go into denial and not believe this is really happening to you. I felt the same way, the gut feeling is the one I would choose. I learned on thing in the past year and 4 month. I will never believe everything a doctor tells me that is for sure. I will also follow my gut, let's face it I was right and the doctor's who told me I was just phyco was wrong. They have and education and I don't. I would get those things out of you if you are getting sick period. I wouldn't look for anything except a specialist that removes implant and believes you when you say you are sick. Good Luck and please don't get mad and leave this site, we are all just venting and angry. The word PS or Dr is a touchy subject for some of us. I am not saying all I am saying the majority of them. I had implants to short of a time and was to healthy prior to implants for any DR to tell me that they didn't make me sick. I know that know, but there was times that the DR PS actually had me convinced my nerves were just shot or I was stressed. I can't believe I feel for this, It won't happen again to me not in this lifetime anyway.

Sincerely,

Donna

May 29, 2006

I was able to convince my psychologist about implant illness. When

I was first talking with her about the implants, she didn't believe

they made women sick, because she had never come across anyone who

tied the two together. I didn't spend time trying to convince her

of the connection, but we knew something triggered an immune

response in my body and she was trying to help me deal with that at

first. What convinced her was when I told her about my visit to my

original plastic surgeon, and that on the same day I was there,

another woman was there with the same symptoms as me, crying,

pleading for the doctor to remove them. Then when I told my

psychologist about Dr. Feng, and that Dr. Feng specialized in

removing implants - and that she had performed thousands of explants

from women mostly complaining of the same problems, she became a

believer. Now she has a patient with saline implants who is sick

and she asked if the patient could anonymously call me if she felt

comfortable doing so, and I said " absolutely " .

My gynecologist believed the implants made me ill, as well. He said

he never trusted implants. When he retired a few months ago, I was

pretty devastated.

Sis

> > >Most physicians - not the cosmetic surgeons - are not even

aware of

> > >the litigation. They are not rejecting this issue because of

any

> > >bias against attorneys. They are aware that the issue is

> > >controversial. They are UNAWARE of the fungal issue and they

are

> > >highly receptive when told about it. Their awareness is limited

to a

> > >very vague notion that there is controvery regarding the

> > >implantation of silicone breast augmentations being associated

with

> > >complaints of auto-immune illness. They are unaware of the

issues

> > >regarding mold, rupture and migration.

> > >

> > >I met this morning with a group of young, well trained

internists

> > >and gastroenterologists who have been in practice for an

average of

> > >ten years. They are all graduates of fine American medical

schools

> > >who completed residencies at the best regarded institutions in

this country.

> > > Sherry

> > > Re: Credibility issues

> > >

> > >The medical community should pull their collective heads out of

> > >their arses and not be so

> > >quick to judge lawyers. THAT is why they refused to listen to

the

> > >experts who said there was

> > >a problem - because those experts were hired by plaintiff's

> > >attorneys. THere is NO incentive

> > >for the " medical community " to research implants now. I call

it

> > >willful ignorance.

> > >

> > >--- In , _00_ <5678@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > The medical community largely dismisses the notion that the

> > > foreign body, silicone,

> > >implanted into the body causes illness. This is dismissed

because

> > >there has been no

> > >presentation regarding the formation of mold and fungus. Were

THAT

> > >presented with results

> > >from cultures, the medical community would BELIEVE. That the

mere

> > >presence of a silicone

> > >implant is responsible for so many illnesses is dismissed

because it

> > >makes no sense UNTIL

> > >the development of fungus is presented. Please know that this

theory

> > >has not made its way

> > >into the medical literature.

> > > >

> > > > Can anyone send me actual culture results along with implant

histories?

> > > >

> > > > Thank you,

> > > > Sherry

> > > >

> > >

> > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given

> > >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician

or

> > >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

treatment.

> > >

> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> > >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

> > >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner

(1954,

> > >Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > >

> > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this

link:

> >

><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.sh

utterfly.com/

> action/

> > >

May 29, 2006

The psychologist I had already knew about implant illness, because she has

worked with

many women who had had breast implants. She is a cancer survivor, and has

empathy for

people who have serious illnesses - dealing with the uncertainty of takes a

toll. She was a

huge help to me.

> > > > >

> > > > > The medical community largely dismisses the notion that the

> > > > foreign body, silicone,

> > > >implanted into the body causes illness. This is dismissed

> because

> > > >there has been no

> > > >presentation regarding the formation of mold and fungus. Were

> THAT

> > > >presented with results

> > > >from cultures, the medical community would BELIEVE. That the

> mere

> > > >presence of a silicone

> > > >implant is responsible for so many illnesses is dismissed

> because it

> > > >makes no sense UNTIL

> > > >the development of fungus is presented. Please know that this

> theory

> > > >has not made its way

> > > >into the medical literature.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can anyone send me actual culture results along with implant

> histories?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > Sherry

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> given

> > > >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician

> or

> > > >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

> treatment.

> > > >

> > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > > >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> > > >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

> > > >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner

> (1954,

> > > >Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > > >

> > > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this

> link:

> > >

> ><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.sh

> utterfly.com/

> > action/

> > > >

May 29, 2006

--- Donna, thank you so much. I appreciate it!!

Love 'n Peace,

Sunny

In , BSBanshee1@... wrote:

>

> Sunny,

>

> I will let you know I should be hearing from Dr. Blias office next

week to

> find out how all that works. I will keep you posted on that

issue. From what I

> already have been told they send off to Dr. Blias, then they

contact you

> either by phone or mail. Then you have to agree to pay for the

testing and how

> much testing you want done. I think I want a real good testing

myself, not for

> sure yet. I will keep you posted.

> '

> Donna

>

May 29, 2006

--- Molly, it is a downright shame how money is spent by the

government. Instead of helping children, seniors or women's health

issue research (such as benefitting the breast implant controversy)

pictures are purchased for 1-1/2 million dollars to hang in the

Parliament Buildings in Ottawa! (Canada, that is) Gotta wonder????

Love as usual,

Sunny

In , " Molly Bloom " <mollyb54@...> wrote:

>

> Sunny,

> That is the purpose of a support forum. We share our experiences,

and sometimes vent.

> Hopefully, we can also pass on factual information, as well. We

probably won't be

> technically accurate, 100% of the time, because we do speak from

our own understanding,

> which varies depending on our background etc.

>

> You are right about there being a larger picture. That picture

involves medical research,

> and how (and by whom) it is done. Right now, there is little

incentive or funds for

> independent research into systemic illness and breast implants.

>

> > > > >

> > > > > The medical community largely dismisses the notion that

the

> > foreign body, silicone,

> > > > implanted into the body causes illness. This is dismissed

> > because there has been no

> > > > presentation regarding the formation of mold and fungus.

Were

> > THAT presented with

> > > > results from cultures, the medical community would

BELIEVE.

> > That the mere presence

> > > of a

> > > > silicone implant is responsible for so many illnesses is

> > dismissed because it makes no

> > > > sense UNTIL the development of fungus is presented.

Please

> > know that this theory has

> > > not

> > > > made its way into the medical literature.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can anyone send me actual culture results along with

> > implant histories?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > Sherry

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

advice

> > given by licensed health

> > > care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health

> > care professional before

> > > commencing any medical treatment.

> > > >

> > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

politicians

> > mislead you. Find out what

> > > the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

a

> > happy life and how to work

> > > for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize

Winner

> > (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

> > > Peace)

> > > >

> > > > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at

this

> > link:

> > > > http://.shutterfly.com/action/

> > > >

May 29, 2006

---Lynda, I'm in total support of how you worded this message. Ditto

for me.

Sunny p.s. Although I don't believe in revenge, I fantasize about

one of the plastic surgeons that have an uncaring attitude, to walk a

few miles in my shoes from now until my surgery. It may convince

him/her immediately!

In , Lynda <coss@...> wrote:

>

> Sherry,

> It sounds like you feel every woman who presents herself with

> problems like this should at least have a bachelor's degree and

know

> how to talk about their problems. Most of us simply do not have a

> M.D. attached to our names and have to use what we have to describe

> our symptoms. I may have been fortunate that I knew how to talk

with

> my doctors (neurologists (2) and others) and they agreed my implant

> caused my brain fog and neurological symptoms. Many women simply

do

> not have the words to do this. It is simply too much to expect

when

> you have such severe problems.

>

> Many have such serious brain damage and brain fog that they are

lucky

> to be able to tell the doctor what parts of their bodies are giving

> them problems.

>

> Most doctors just do not have the time or will not take the time to

> really find out what is wrong.

>

> Lynda

>

> At 05:51 PM 5/28/2006, you wrote:

> >Statements like " it was in my brain all the way to my feet " get

in

> >the way of physicians taking you seriously. Physicians are literal

> >creatures and when patients make such statements, since they are

not

> >literally factual, credibility is lost. Instead, present yourself

> >with accuracy and without any drama.

> >

> >How would you feel about saying, instead, " Soon after my

> >implantation, I developed numerous systemic symptoms such that I

> >felt overwhelmingly ill and was unable to impact any improvement

in

> >my health regardless of what remedies various physicians

prescribed.

> >I became more and more ill. Eventually, I was encouraged to

consider

> >a linkage between my debilitating symptoms and my implants and

> >encouraged to have them removed. When they were removed, the

> >implants were found to have deteriorated and, in addition to

having

> >leaked into my lymphatic system, they were actually infiltrated by

> >mold and fungus. Soon after explantation, my illnesses began to

ease

> >and recovery seemed to be in progress. I look forward to

physicians

> >looking more closely at cases such as mine so as to avoid

> >recurrences of these grave problems for other women. "

> > Sherry

> > Re: Credibility issues

> >

> >Lea,

> >

> >AMEN to that story. I am going to read your story and so sorry

> >those things destroyed your health. I am talking Saline for me

and

> >in one year and 4 months destroyed me so I understand. I don't

feel

> >like we have to convince anyone of this we know the truth. I am a

> >firm believer, I don't have the pathologist reports back, but when

I

> >get them I will let everyone know what was growing in my one year

> >old saline implants. Whatever it was no antibiotics could kill

it,

> >it was in my brain all the way to my feet. I believe every word

> >anyone says about silicone and saline, I am living proof of the

fact.

> >

> >Donna

> >

> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

> >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

> >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

> >Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

>

><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shu

tterfly.com/action/

> >

May 29, 2006

Many plastic surgery thing the issue with breast implants is 'settled'. They

don't think

there is a controvery., and that they are safe. Amazing, isn't it?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The medical community largely dismisses the notion that

> the

> > > foreign body, silicone,

> > > > > implanted into the body causes illness. This is dismissed

> > > because there has been no

> > > > > presentation regarding the formation of mold and fungus.

> Were

> > > THAT presented with

> > > > > results from cultures, the medical community would

> BELIEVE.

> > > That the mere presence

> > > > of a

> > > > > silicone implant is responsible for so many illnesses is

> > > dismissed because it makes no

> > > > > sense UNTIL the development of fungus is presented.

> Please

> > > know that this theory has

> > > > not

> > > > > made its way into the medical literature.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can anyone send me actual culture results along with

> > > implant histories?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > > Sherry

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

> advice

> > > given by licensed health

> > > > care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health

> > > care professional before

> > > > commencing any medical treatment.

> > > > >

> > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> politicians

> > > mislead you. Find out what

> > > > the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

> a

> > > happy life and how to work

> > > > for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize

> Winner

> > > (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

> > > > Peace)

> > > > >

> > > > > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at

> this

> > > link:

> > > > > http://.shutterfly.com/action/

> > > > >

May 29, 2006

Thanks, Sunny.

It is a subject very close to my heart.

I am a social worker.

Lynda

At 11:23 PM 5/29/2006, you wrote:

>---Lynda, I'm in total support of how you worded this message. Ditto

>for me.

>

>Sunny p.s. Although I don't believe in revenge, I fantasize about

>one of the plastic surgeons that have an uncaring attitude, to walk a

>few miles in my shoes from now until my surgery. It may convince

>him/her immediately!

>

>In , Lynda <coss@...> wrote:

> >

> > Sherry,

> > It sounds like you feel every woman who presents herself with

> > problems like this should at least have a bachelor's degree and

>know

> > how to talk about their problems. Most of us simply do not have a

> > M.D. attached to our names and have to use what we have to describe

> > our symptoms. I may have been fortunate that I knew how to talk

>with

> > my doctors (neurologists (2) and others) and they agreed my implant

> > caused my brain fog and neurological symptoms. Many women simply

>do

> > not have the words to do this. It is simply too much to expect

>when

> > you have such severe problems.

> >

> > Many have such serious brain damage and brain fog that they are

>lucky

> > to be able to tell the doctor what parts of their bodies are giving

> > them problems.

> >

> > Most doctors just do not have the time or will not take the time to

> > really find out what is wrong.

> >

> > Lynda

> >

> > At 05:51 PM 5/28/2006, you wrote:

> > >Statements like " it was in my brain all the way to my feet " get

>in

> > >the way of physicians taking you seriously. Physicians are literal

> > >creatures and when patients make such statements, since they are

>not

> > >literally factual, credibility is lost. Instead, present yourself

> > >with accuracy and without any drama.

> > >

> > >How would you feel about saying, instead, " Soon after my

> > >implantation, I developed numerous systemic symptoms such that I

> > >felt overwhelmingly ill and was unable to impact any improvement

>in

> > >my health regardless of what remedies various physicians

>prescribed.

> > >I became more and more ill. Eventually, I was encouraged to

>consider

> > >a linkage between my debilitating symptoms and my implants and

> > >encouraged to have them removed. When they were removed, the

> > >implants were found to have deteriorated and, in addition to

>having

> > >leaked into my lymphatic system, they were actually infiltrated by

> > >mold and fungus. Soon after explantation, my illnesses began to

>ease

> > >and recovery seemed to be in progress. I look forward to

>physicians

> > >looking more closely at cases such as mine so as to avoid

> > >recurrences of these grave problems for other women. "

> > > Sherry

> > > Re: Credibility issues

> > >

> > >Lea,

> > >

> > >AMEN to that story. I am going to read your story and so sorry

> > >those things destroyed your health. I am talking Saline for me

>and

> > >in one year and 4 months destroyed me so I understand. I don't

>feel

> > >like we have to convince anyone of this we know the truth. I am a

> > >firm believer, I don't have the pathologist reports back, but when

>I

> > >get them I will let everyone know what was growing in my one year

> > >old saline implants. Whatever it was no antibiotics could kill

>it,

> > >it was in my brain all the way to my feet. I believe every word

> > >anyone says about silicone and saline, I am living proof of the

>fact.

> > >

> > >Donna

> > >

> > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

> > >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> > >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

>treatment.

> > >

> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> > >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

> > >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

> > >Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > >

> > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> >

> ><<http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.

> shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shu

>tterfly.com/action/

> > >

May 29, 2006

--- Donna, YOU GO, GIRL! Keep up the good fight. Let's educate

everyone until our knowledge and experience permeates the whole

continent and even the world!

Love ya,

Sunny

In , BSBanshee1@... wrote:

>

> Molly,

>

> I totally agree with you. My patients are thin right now with the

whole

> implant catastrophe. It is just hard for me to believe that a

medical doctor

> period would not take a patient seriously in the first place. I

was told to go to

> a physiologist, I could teach them a thing or two myself. I know

one thing

> Dr. Kolb now's that I am not crazy and my implant was infected on

my right

> side. Well this is a no brainier. If I had went in there and said

the symptoms

> was on both sides of my body this would be understandable but when

you go to a

> PS ER DR ENT's everyone in the sun and say this only effects my

right side.

> Well here's your sign!!! I think it's common since now that I

know what I

> know what I learned from support sites. Dr. Kolb educated me in

one day trust

> me. How hard would it be for the medical board to send out a

letter to each

> physician and it could simply read: Dear Dr if a patient comes to

you with

> implants Silicone or Saline and says this or this she might be

infected. I just

> don't understand this whole thing, but I do plan to have a few

choice words with

> the medical board when I get better if I do someday soon. Molly I

totally

> agree with you on this issue. I guess nobody really knows until

they almost die

> because of having implants like most of us have. Thank God for

good doctor's

> and en-bloc and detoxing. I pray to become well again someday.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Donna

>

May 29, 2006

Sherry, If you are seriously interested in researching this, then I would recommend that you contact Dr. Kolb at www.plastikos.com. I am quite certain that she has all the information that you might be looking for. Patty_00_ <5678@...> wrote: The medical community largely dismisses the notion that the foreign body, silicone, implanted into the body causes illness. This is dismissed because there has been no presentation regarding the formation of mold and fungus. Were THAT presented with results from cultures, the medical community would BELIEVE. That the mere presence of a silicone implant is responsible for so many

illnesses is dismissed because it makes no sense UNTIL the development of fungus is presented. Please know that this theory has not made its way into the medical literature. Can anyone send me actual culture results along with implant histories? Thank you, Sherry

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May 30, 2006

No. Not amazing. That is the information that they have been told by the powers that be. Remember, silicone implants have been re-introduced into the marketplace suggesting that they are no longer thought to be dangerous.

Sherry

Re: Credibility issues

Many plastic surgery thing the issue with breast implants is 'settled'. They don't think there is a controvery., and that they are safe. Amazing, isn't it?> > > > > >> > > > > > The medical community largely dismisses the notion that > the > > > foreign body, silicone, > > > > > implanted into the body causes illness. This is dismissed > > > because there has been no > > > > > presentation regarding the formation of mold and fungus. > Were > > > THAT presented with > > > > > results from cultures, the medical community would > BELIEVE. > > > That the mere presence > > > > of a > > > > > silicone implant is responsible for so many illnesses is > > > dismissed because it makes no > > > > > sense UNTIL the development of fungus is presented. > Please > > > know that this theory has > > > > not > > > > > made its way into the medical literature.> > > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone send me actual culture results along with > > > implant histories?> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you,> > > > > > Sherry> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of > advice > > > given by licensed health > > > > care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health > > > care professional before > > > > commencing any medical treatment. > > > > > > > > > > "Do not let either the medical authorities or the > politicians > > > mislead you. Find out what > > > > the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live > a > > > happy life and how to work > > > > for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize > Winner > > > (1954, Chemistry; 1963, > > > > Peace)> > > > > > > > > > See our photos website! Enter "implants" for access at > this > > > link:> > > > > http://.shutterfly.com/action/> > > > > > > > > >

May 30, 2006

No, no, no. I know all about brain fog. I have been severely affected by it. (Unfortunately, this is also one very common symptom of menopause so it is scientifically impossible to state factually that the implants cause my brain fog. Instead, I say that.... "While I realize that many of my symptoms - short term memory loss, osteoarthritis, fibromyalgia, Hashimoto's Thyroiditis are also commonly seen during menopause - my persistent skin rash is not and after doing lots of research and speaking to many other affected women, I have come to realize that my breast implants are most likely the cause and, as a result, I have faced that I must have them removed.") , What I am saying doesn't require the vocabulary you suggest. I am saying that it is important - if you want to be seen as credible - to make sense, to speak to the facts and to avoid at all costs any unnecessarily dramatic words. (By the way, this isn't a horrible thing to learn in life anyway if one wants to be taken seriously.) Tell your physician the facts and not your opinions. Avoid grandiosity (I was infected from my brain to my feet) and be rational. Speak factually..... the dates you were implanted, the dates you experienced specific symptoms - not your conclusions - and you will be heard.

Understand that just having had breast augmentation, we are labeled not particularly stable to begin with. Now, we all agree that we focused excessively on the importance of our breast size and should have been more sensible. So, don't hold it against the medical community for thinking that, as well. Overcome it by speaking FACTUALLY and you will be taken seriously.

Re: Credibility issues> >> >Lea,> >> >AMEN to that story. I am going to read your story and so sorry > >those things destroyed your health. I am talking Saline for me and > >in one year and 4 months destroyed me so I understand. I don't feel > >like we have to convince anyone of this we know the truth. I am a > >firm believer, I don't have the pathologist reports back, but when I > >get them I will let everyone know what was growing in my one year > >old saline implants. Whatever it was no antibiotics could kill it, > >it was in my brain all the way to my feet. I believe every word > >anyone says about silicone and saline, I am living proof of the fact.> >> >Donna> >> >> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given > >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or > >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.> >> >"Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians > >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own > >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a > >better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, > >Chemistry; 1963, Peace)> >> >See our photos website! Enter "implants" for access at this link:> ><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.com/action/> >> >

May 30, 2006

Sherry,

You are giving many of these doctors too much credit. I know many

women who did just as you say and they were dismissed as nut cases.

Many doctors simply refuse to hear anything that will affect their

bottom line ($$$$$$$$$$$).

Lynda

At 04:33 AM 5/30/2006, you wrote:

>No, no, no. I know all about brain fog. I have been severely

>affected by it. (Unfortunately, this is also one very common symptom

>of menopause so it is scientifically impossible to state factually

>that the implants cause my brain fog. Instead, I say that.... " While

>I realize that many of my symptoms - short term memory loss,

>osteoarthritis, fibromyalgia, Hashimoto's Thyroiditis are also

>commonly seen during menopause - my persistent skin rash is not and

>after doing lots of research and speaking to many other affected

>women, I have come to realize that my breast implants are most

>likely the cause and, as a result, I have faced that I must have

>them removed. " ) , What I am saying doesn't require the vocabulary

>you suggest. I am saying that it is important - if you want to be

>seen as credible - to make sense, to speak to the facts and to avoid

>at all costs any unnecessarily dramatic words. (By the way, this

>isn't a horrible thing to learn in life anyway if one wants to be

>taken seriously.) Tell your physician the facts and not your

>opinions. Avoid grandiosity (I was infected from my brain to my

>feet) and be rational. Speak factually..... the dates you were

>implanted, the dates you experienced specific symptoms - not your

>conclusions - and you will be heard.

>

>Understand that just having had breast augmentation, we are labeled

>not particularly stable to begin with. Now, we all agree that we

>focused excessively on the importance of our breast size and should

>have been more sensible. So, don't hold it against the medical

>community for thinking that, as well. Overcome it by speaking

>FACTUALLY and you will be taken seriously.

> Re: Credibility issues

> > >

> > >Lea,

> > >

> > >AMEN to that story. I am going to read your story and so sorry

> > >those things destroyed your health. I am talking Saline for me

>and

> > >in one year and 4 months destroyed me so I understand. I don't

>feel

> > >like we have to convince anyone of this we know the truth. I am a

> > >firm believer, I don't have the pathologist reports back, but when

>I

> > >get them I will let everyone know what was growing in my one year

> > >old saline implants. Whatever it was no antibiotics could kill

>it,

> > >it was in my brain all the way to my feet. I believe every word

> > >anyone says about silicone and saline, I am living proof of the

>fact.

> > >

> > >Donna

> > >

> > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

> > >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> > >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

>treatment.

> > >

> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> > >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

> > >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

> > >Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > >

> > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> >

> ><<http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.

> shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shu

>tterfly.com/action/

> > >

May 30, 2006

Not that they are no longer considered to be dangerous, but that the

FDA panel was weighted with 7 plastic surgeons who voted for them

even when the evidence was there to suggest otherwise. And final

approval has not been given.

Lynda

At 04:24 AM 5/30/2006, you wrote:

>No. Not amazing. That is the information that they have been told by

>the powers that be. Remember, silicone implants have been

>re-introduced into the marketplace suggesting that they are no

>longer thought to be dangerous.

> Sherry

>

> Re: Credibility issues

>

>Many plastic surgery thing the issue with breast implants is

>'settled'. They don't think

>there is a controvery., and that they are safe. Amazing, isn't it?

>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The medical community largely dismisses the notion that

> > the

> > > > foreign body, silicone,

> > > > > > implanted into the body causes illness. This is dismissed

> > > > because there has been no

> > > > > > presentation regarding the formation of mold and fungus.

> > Were

> > > > THAT presented with

> > > > > > results from cultures, the medical community would

> > BELIEVE.

> > > > That the mere presence

> > > > > of a

> > > > > > silicone implant is responsible for so many illnesses is

> > > > dismissed because it makes no

> > > > > > sense UNTIL the development of fungus is presented.

> > Please

> > > > know that this theory has

> > > > > not

> > > > > > made its way into the medical literature.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Can anyone send me actual culture results along with

> > > > implant histories?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > > > Sherry

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

> > advice

> > > > given by licensed health

> > > > > care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health

> > > > care professional before

> > > > > commencing any medical treatment.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> > politicians

> > > > mislead you. Find out what

> > > > > the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

> > a

> > > > happy life and how to work

> > > > > for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize

> > Winner

> > > > (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

> > > > > Peace)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at

> > this

> > > > link:

> > > > > >

>

<http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.com\

/action/

> > > > > >

May 30, 2006

I thank everyone who offered information and hospitality. I don't want to be insulted further without even the benefit of anyone recognizing the validity of my advice. When patients are dismissed "as nut cases", it is because they made claims that made no scientific sense. I have explained that most physicians are unaware of the fungus and mold association that does make sense. Claiming to have a list of symptoms that I have heard here - such as prominent veins in the hand - and associating that with the mere presence of implants - without associating the migration and presence of fungus - is a sure way to be dismissed as a nut case.

Best wishes for health to all.

Sherry

Re: Credibility issues> > >> > >Lea,> > >> > >AMEN to that story. I am going to read your story and so sorry> > >those things destroyed your health. I am talking Saline for me>and> > >in one year and 4 months destroyed me so I understand. I don't>feel> > >like we have to convince anyone of this we know the truth. I am a> > >firm believer, I don't have the pathologist reports back, but when>I> > >get them I will let everyone know what was growing in my one year> > >old saline implants. Whatever it was no antibiotics could kill>it,> > >it was in my brain all the way to my feet. I believe every word> > >anyone says about silicone and saline, I am living proof of the>fact.> > >> > >Donna> > >> > >> > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given> > >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or> > >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical>treatment.> > >> > >"Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians> > >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own> > >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a> > >better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,> > >Chemistry; 1963, Peace)> > >> > >See our photos website! Enter "implants" for access at this link:> >> ><<http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://. > shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shu>tterfly.com/action/> > >> > >

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