Re: Credibility issues

[Guest guest]

If it has not made its way into the literature, then what is this????

MICROBIAL GROWTH INSIDE SALINE-FILLED IMPLANTS

Source: Plast Reconstr Surg, July, 1997;100(1):182-196

Authors: Young, V. L., Hertl, M. C., Murray, P. R., Jensen, J., Witt,

H., Schorr, M.W.

Address: Division of Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, Washington

University School of Medicine, St. Louis, MO., USA.

Abstract: In vitro and in vivo experiments were conducted to determine

whether intraluminal saline in breast implants can support the growth

of common wound- infecting microorganisms over a prolonged period of

time. The bacteria tested were Staphylococcus aureus, Staphylococcus

epidermidis, Escherichia coli, Corynebacterium jeikeium, Enterobacter

cloacae, Klebsiella pneumoniae, and Pseudomonas aeruginosa. Three

fungal species also were tested: Aspergillus fumigatus, Paecilomyces

variofii, and Candida albicans. In the in vitro study, four organisms

survived in flasks of sterile saline for the 2 weeks in which serial

cultures were performed: K. pneumoniae, C. albicans, A. fumigatus, and

P. variotii.

In the in vivo study, 61 white rabbits (122 implants) received both an

experimental implant inoculated with one of the test organisms and a

control implant containing only sterile saline. They were sacrificed

at 1-, 3-, or 6-month scheduled endpoints. None of the control

implants containing sterile saline had positive cultures. In contrast,

the intraluminal saline was culture positive for 7 of the 10

inoculated organisms after varying lengths of time: S. epidermidis, E.

coli, E. cloacae, K. pneumoniae, P. aeruginosa, A. fumigatus, and P.

variotii. Samples of capsular tissue also were cultured. Of the 122

capsular tissue specimens, 21 (17 percent) had positive cultures and

surrounded both inoculated and sterile implants.

In most instances, capsules that were culture positive contained an

organism different from the one that had been inoculated in the group.

In only 3 cases was the same organism cultured from both the

periprosthetic tissue and the intraluminal saline, and these may

represent instances of the inoculated organism migrating through the

implants filler valves. The data show that several types of bacteria

(particularly gram-negative species) and fungi can grow and reproduce

in a restricted saline environment for extended periods of time.

>

> The medical community largely dismisses the notion that the foreign

body, silicone, implanted into the body causes illness. This is

dismissed because there has been no presentation regarding the

formation of mold and fungus. Were THAT presented with results from

cultures, the medical community would BELIEVE. That the mere presence

of a silicone implant is responsible for so many illnesses is

dismissed because it makes no sense UNTIL the development of fungus is

presented. Please know that this theory has not made its way into the

medical literature.

>

> Can anyone send me actual culture results along with implant

histories?

>

> Thank you,

> Sherry

>

[Guest guest]

Sherry,

There are evidentary files (from 1992 hearings) that

showed that DOW disregarded information from their own

studies . . . Animals that got sick, miscarried,

fetuses that were malformed, etc. . . in favor of

pushing their view that breast implants are safe.

Virtually all studies that claim implant safety are

financed in some way by the manufacturers or plastic

surgeons. Even then, they ignore the negatives and

publicize the positives.

How the medical professions could agree that silicone

injections are deadly, yet believe that breast

implants are safe, is beyond me!

I have sent one plastic surgeon repeated articles

regarding fungal problems . . . He won't even talk to

Dr. Blais - who has examined tens of thousands of

breast implants. This doctor tells me that his

pathologist has NEVER seen mold in an implant - yet he

has explanted many women himself.

ly, I don't believe anybody who has a financial

interest in breast implants! . . . Any doctor worth

his salt would make the connection between women who

have been explanted and the problems women come to

them with. Instead of turning a blind eye, they should

be looking for the reason, not telling women to see a

psychiatrist!

Physicians are assumed to be highly intelligent and

well educated. . . Why is it that they have to wait

for an authority figure to tell them whether or not

breast implants cause disease when the evidence is

right in front of them?

I don't mean to sound harsh. I'm scared silly! . . .

We see women come close to dying . . . physicians who

deny their illnesses . . . and thousands of young

women getting implants every year. We find some women

who come to the group had a hard time getting

pregnant, staying pregnant, then, if they do carry to

term, seeing their child suffer horribly. Something is

terribly wrong with our system. Breast implant ARE

killing women and their offspring, and the authorities

don't care!

At the first support meeting I attended, the meeting

was wrapping up when one young mother asked if anyone

else's child was experiencing the strange health

problems her child was . . . It was a moment I will

never forget when a group of young mothers made the

connection, first time, of the digestive problems, the

rashes, and the joint pain their children were

experiencing . . .

I've written numerous letters to the FDA, sending them

the information we have, asking them to look into the

situation . . . The result? My messages to the FDA are

now being blocked. If anyone wants to try to reach the

FDA, they must go through M. Leonard

<nancy.leonard@...>, 800 638-2041 ext 141.

Please give her my regards if you should happen to

reach her. I don't think she is responsible for

blocking calls . . . someone else is. It's not the

first time I've been blocked!

From what I understand, the FDA and the manufacturer's

are only a signature away from signing the agreement

to put breast implants back on the market. There are

some sticking points . . . As I understand it, the FDA

wants the manufacturer's to follow women AFTER they

have had their implants removed without replacement.

AND to follow up to see if women experience more

miscarriages as well as to see if the children are

healthy. . . .

I suspect the manufacturer's are trying to bargain

these points away. IMHO, it's just a matter of time

before someone gets paid enough to delete these

requirements.

Cynical? Yes, yes, yes . . . With good cause!

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

I have had so many women tell me that their plastic surgeon told them

he had never seen a problem like theirs, and I knew that many women

in my group had been to this surgeon and had the very same type of

problem. This repeatedly occurred in the Denver-Boulder area, so I

am sure it is not confined to just one state. Group leaders across

the country have shared this same story that was told to them by

their members. These doctors flat out lie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

While there many be a VERY few that have not seen problems, the

majority are part of the great cover-up.

Lynda

At 12:13 PM 5/28/2006, you wrote:

>Sherry,

>

>There are evidentary files (from 1992 hearings) that

>showed that DOW disregarded information from their own

>studies . . . Animals that got sick, miscarried,

>fetuses that were malformed, etc. . . in favor of

>pushing their view that breast implants are safe.

>Virtually all studies that claim implant safety are

>financed in some way by the manufacturers or plastic

>surgeons. Even then, they ignore the negatives and

>publicize the positives.

>

>How the medical professions could agree that silicone

>injections are deadly, yet believe that breast

>implants are safe, is beyond me!

>

>I have sent one plastic surgeon repeated articles

>regarding fungal problems . . . He won't even talk to

>Dr. Blais - who has examined tens of thousands of

>breast implants. This doctor tells me that his

>pathologist has NEVER seen mold in an implant - yet he

>has explanted many women himself.

>

>ly, I don't believe anybody who has a financial

>interest in breast implants! . . . Any doctor worth

>his salt would make the connection between women who

>have been explanted and the problems women come to

>them with. Instead of turning a blind eye, they should

>be looking for the reason, not telling women to see a

>psychiatrist!

>

>Physicians are assumed to be highly intelligent and

>well educated. . . Why is it that they have to wait

>for an authority figure to tell them whether or not

>breast implants cause disease when the evidence is

>right in front of them?

>

>I don't mean to sound harsh. I'm scared silly! . . .

>We see women come close to dying . . . physicians who

>deny their illnesses . . . and thousands of young

>women getting implants every year. We find some women

>who come to the group had a hard time getting

>pregnant, staying pregnant, then, if they do carry to

>term, seeing their child suffer horribly. Something is

>terribly wrong with our system. Breast implant ARE

>killing women and their offspring, and the authorities

>don't care!

>

>At the first support meeting I attended, the meeting

>was wrapping up when one young mother asked if anyone

>else's child was experiencing the strange health

>problems her child was . . . It was a moment I will

>never forget when a group of young mothers made the

>connection, first time, of the digestive problems, the

>rashes, and the joint pain their children were

>experiencing . . .

>

>I've written numerous letters to the FDA, sending them

>the information we have, asking them to look into the

>situation . . . The result? My messages to the FDA are

>now being blocked. If anyone wants to try to reach the

>FDA, they must go through M. Leonard

><nancy.leonard@...>, 800 638-2041 ext 141.

>Please give her my regards if you should happen to

>reach her. I don't think she is responsible for

>blocking calls . . . someone else is. It's not the

>first time I've been blocked!

>

> From what I understand, the FDA and the manufacturer's

>are only a signature away from signing the agreement

>to put breast implants back on the market. There are

>some sticking points . . . As I understand it, the FDA

>wants the manufacturer's to follow women AFTER they

>have had their implants removed without replacement.

>AND to follow up to see if women experience more

>miscarriages as well as to see if the children are

>healthy. . . .

>

>I suspect the manufacturer's are trying to bargain

>these points away. IMHO, it's just a matter of time

>before someone gets paid enough to delete these

>requirements.

>

>Cynical? Yes, yes, yes . . . With good cause!

>

>Hugs,

>

>Rogene

>

>

>

>

>

>Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

>by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

>licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

>mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

>decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

>better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

>Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Here's one doctor who fought the good fight and got

punished for his efforts! . . . If you'll do a search

for his name, you'll find multiple articles about what

he's found in breast implants . . . yet the medical

community chooses to dismiss him!

http://www.redflagsweekly.com/medevices.html

Here's another doctor who was given the boot for

speaking out . . . He now has his own lab . . . He

recently co-published the article about ionized

platinum being found in implanted women and their

children.

http://www.expertox.com/pg_articles.html

Rogene

[Guest guest]

The medical community should pull their collective heads out of their arses and

not be so

quick to judge lawyers. THAT is why they refused to listen to the experts who

said there was

a problem - because those experts were hired by plaintiff's attorneys. THere is

NO incentive

for the " medical community " to research implants now. I call it willful

ignorance.

>

> The medical community largely dismisses the notion that the foreign body,

silicone,

implanted into the body causes illness. This is dismissed because there has been

no

presentation regarding the formation of mold and fungus. Were THAT presented

with results

from cultures, the medical community would BELIEVE. That the mere presence of a

silicone

implant is responsible for so many illnesses is dismissed because it makes no

sense UNTIL

the development of fungus is presented. Please know that this theory has not

made its way

into the medical literature.

>

> Can anyone send me actual culture results along with implant histories?

>

> Thank you,

> Sherry

>

[Guest guest]

Good point! But you won't hear plastic surgeons admitting this. Typically,

their response

is that the only time saline implants pose a problem is when they are put in

under

unsterile conditions. And of course, THEY would never do that; hence, no

problem.

> >

> > The medical community largely dismisses the notion that the foreign

> body, silicone, implanted into the body causes illness. This is

> dismissed because there has been no presentation regarding the

> formation of mold and fungus. Were THAT presented with results from

> cultures, the medical community would BELIEVE. That the mere presence

> of a silicone implant is responsible for so many illnesses is

> dismissed because it makes no sense UNTIL the development of fungus is

> presented. Please know that this theory has not made its way into the

> medical literature.

> >

> > Can anyone send me actual culture results along with implant

> histories?

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Sherry

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I would like the results of cultures taken from the explanted prostheses.

Sherry

Re: Credibility issues

Would you like a copy of my skin biopsy ? It shows fungus, but nobody would or will correlate that with the ruptured implants I had. When I looked it up, I found that the only cause readily identified for fungus like that was athlete's foot, and women sometimes get it on their legs, from shaving. This was on the back of my neck, which I assure you I do not shave. The dermatologist's only suggestion was to 'stop scratching'. She was useless, as were all but one dermatolgist I saw. My experience so far is that about 1 out of 10 doctors seems to have a clue about anything other than the obvious.>> The medical community largely dismisses the notion that the foreign body, silicone, implanted into the body causes illness. This is dismissed because there has been no presentation regarding the formation of mold and fungus. Were THAT presented with results from cultures, the medical community would BELIEVE. That the mere presence of a silicone implant is responsible for so many illnesses is dismissed because it makes no sense UNTIL the development of fungus is presented. Please know that this theory has not made its way into the medical literature.> > Can anyone send me actual culture results along with implant histories?> > Thank you,> Sherry>

[Guest guest]

Most physicians - not the cosmetic surgeons - are not even aware of the litigation. They are not rejecting this issue because of any bias against attorneys. They are aware that the issue is controversial. They are UNAWARE of the fungal issue and they are highly receptive when told about it. Their awareness is limited to a very vague notion that there is controvery regarding the implantation of silicone breast augmentations being associated with complaints of auto-immune illness. They are unaware of the issues regarding mold, rupture and migration.

I met this morning with a group of young, well trained internists and gastroenterologists who have been in practice for an average of ten years. They are all graduates of fine American medical schools who completed residencies at the best regarded institutions in this country.

Sherry

Re: Credibility issues

The medical community should pull their collective heads out of their arses and not be so quick to judge lawyers. THAT is why they refused to listen to the experts who said there was a problem - because those experts were hired by plaintiff's attorneys. THere is NO incentive for the "medical community" to research implants now. I call it willful ignorance.>> The medical community largely dismisses the notion that the foreign body, silicone, implanted into the body causes illness. This is dismissed because there has been no presentation regarding the formation of mold and fungus. Were THAT presented with results from cultures, the medical community would BELIEVE. That the mere presence of a silicone implant is responsible for so many illnesses is dismissed because it makes no sense UNTIL the development of fungus is presented. Please know that this theory has not made its way into the medical literature.> > Can anyone send me actual culture results along with implant histories?> > Thank you,> Sherry>

[Guest guest]

Are you kidding? If they say they do not know about the litigation,

I think that is even a bigger lie. They know all too well about the

litigation, that is why you must sign a consent form to never sue to

even get implants these days.

Lynda

At 01:24 PM 5/28/2006, you wrote:

>Most physicians - not the cosmetic surgeons - are not even aware of

>the litigation. They are not rejecting this issue because of any

>bias against attorneys. They are aware that the issue is

>controversial. They are UNAWARE of the fungal issue and they are

>highly receptive when told about it. Their awareness is limited to a

>very vague notion that there is controvery regarding the

>implantation of silicone breast augmentations being associated with

>complaints of auto-immune illness. They are unaware of the issues

>regarding mold, rupture and migration.

>

>I met this morning with a group of young, well trained internists

>and gastroenterologists who have been in practice for an average of

>ten years. They are all graduates of fine American medical schools

>who completed residencies at the best regarded institutions in this country.

> Sherry

> Re: Credibility issues

>

>The medical community should pull their collective heads out of

>their arses and not be so

>quick to judge lawyers. THAT is why they refused to listen to the

>experts who said there was

>a problem - because those experts were hired by plaintiff's

>attorneys. THere is NO incentive

>for the " medical community " to research implants now. I call it

>willful ignorance.

>

>

> >

> > The medical community largely dismisses the notion that the

> foreign body, silicone,

>implanted into the body causes illness. This is dismissed because

>there has been no

>presentation regarding the formation of mold and fungus. Were THAT

>presented with results

>from cultures, the medical community would BELIEVE. That the mere

>presence of a silicone

>implant is responsible for so many illnesses is dismissed because it

>makes no sense UNTIL

>the development of fungus is presented. Please know that this theory

>has not made its way

>into the medical literature.

> >

> > Can anyone send me actual culture results along with implant histories?

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Sherry

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

>by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

>licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

>mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

>decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

>better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

>Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

>See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.co\

m/action/

>

>

[Guest guest]

Rogene,

Dr. Kolb just sent my saline to Dr. Blais, don't have the report yet.

Donna

[Guest guest]

Rogene,

You got it when I get my report I will surely let you all know what it says. I know what ever it was made me very sick is all I can say.

Donna

[Guest guest]

Sunny,

I will let you know I should be hearing from Dr. Blias office next week to find out how all that works. I will keep you posted on that issue. From what I already have been told they send off to Dr. Blias, then they contact you either by phone or mail. Then you have to agree to pay for the testing and how much testing you want done. I think I want a real good testing myself, not for sure yet. I will keep you posted.

'

Donna

[Guest guest]

I think Sherry means other doctors, not plastic surgeons. It is my experience

that almost

all doctors know about the litigation. However, Sherry has a point here. Some

doctors

who know about the litigation, don't know the details. They may not know about

the

fungal problems or others. My internist is one such doctor. She was receptive

to learning

about this, because she saw how sick I got - and how much better I am now.

Why so many of us are jaded, Sherry, is that we have been to so many doctors

whose mind

is snapped shut when it relates to breast implants. I have become incredibly

disgusted

with doctors, especially down here in Florida. Finding a good doctor is like

finding a

needle in a haystack. And boy when I do, I hang onto 'em.

> > >

> > > The medical community largely dismisses the notion that the

> > foreign body, silicone,

> >implanted into the body causes illness. This is dismissed because

> >there has been no

> >presentation regarding the formation of mold and fungus. Were THAT

> >presented with results

> >from cultures, the medical community would BELIEVE. That the mere

> >presence of a silicone

> >implant is responsible for so many illnesses is dismissed because it

> >makes no sense UNTIL

> >the development of fungus is presented. Please know that this theory

> >has not made its way

> >into the medical literature.

> > >

> > > Can anyone send me actual culture results along with implant histories?

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > > Sherry

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

> >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

> >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

> >Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

>

><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.co\

m/

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> >

> >

[Guest guest]

The name calling is just too unproductive for me. I am in a position to help but I'm no longer interested in trying to reason with the rage here. Unless you are willing as a group to present yourselves using reason and fact, you will continue to be dismissed as psychoneurotic or hysterical. I regret that you don't like hearing that but it's the only way that your voice will be heard. Your name calling and insults will never get you the credibility you seek.

It's the rheumatologists and internists and infectious disease folks and endocrinologists who will be treating these patients and most of them are not informed about this issue no matter how many insults you folks spew. They are not conspiring to deceive and mislead.

Sherry

Re: Credibility issues>>The medical community should pull their collective heads out of >their arses and not be so>quick to judge lawyers. THAT is why they refused to listen to the >experts who said there was>a problem - because those experts were hired by plaintiff's >attorneys. THere is NO incentive>for the "medical community" to research implants now. I call it >willful ignorance.>>> >> > The medical community largely dismisses the notion that the > foreign body, silicone,>implanted into the body causes illness. This is dismissed because >there has been no>presentation regarding the formation of mold and fungus. Were THAT >presented with results>from cultures, the medical community would BELIEVE. That the mere >presence of a silicone>implant is responsible for so many illnesses is dismissed because it >makes no sense UNTIL>the development of fungus is presented. Please know that this theory >has not made its way>into the medical literature.> >> > Can anyone send me actual culture results along with implant histories?> >> > Thank you,> > Sherry> >>>>>>>>Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.>>"Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a >better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, >Chemistry; 1963, Peace)>>See our photos website! Enter "implants" for access at this link:><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.com/action/>>

[Guest guest]

I suspect if you talk to many plastic surgeons, you will find that their hatred

of lawyers is

palpable. AND, reports about the dangers of implants is dismissed as abuse of

tort

process. In fact, that is a quote from one PS, for whom I have zero respect.

> >

> > The medical community largely dismisses the notion that the foreign body,

silicone,

> implanted into the body causes illness. This is dismissed because there has

been no

> presentation regarding the formation of mold and fungus. Were THAT presented

with

results

> from cultures, the medical community would BELIEVE. That the mere presence

of a

silicone

> implant is responsible for so many illnesses is dismissed because it makes

no sense

UNTIL

> the development of fungus is presented. Please know that this theory has not

made its

way

> into the medical literature.

> >

> > Can anyone send me actual culture results along with implant histories?

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Sherry

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

licensed health

care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional

before

commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

Find out what

the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and

how to work

for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

Chemistry; 1963,

Peace)

>

> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

>

>

[Guest guest]

Are you serious about this? If so, I suspect you would want to talk to some

explanting

surgeons, or some labs that have analyzed them.

> >

> > The medical community largely dismisses the notion that the foreign body,

silicone,

> implanted into the body causes illness. This is dismissed because there has

been no

> presentation regarding the formation of mold and fungus. Were THAT presented

with

> results from cultures, the medical community would BELIEVE. That the mere

presence

of a

> silicone implant is responsible for so many illnesses is dismissed because

it makes no

> sense UNTIL the development of fungus is presented. Please know that this

theory has

not

> made its way into the medical literature.

> >

> > Can anyone send me actual culture results along with implant histories?

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Sherry

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

licensed health

care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional

before

commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

Find out what

the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and

how to work

for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

Chemistry; 1963,

Peace)

>

> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

>

>

[Guest guest]

Then don't Sherry. If you can't understand the frustration, then you are not in

a position

to help. We don't need condescension, either.

The fact is that there are many doctors who have tried and have been

unsuccessful in their

efforts; many have been maligned, ostracized or worse. If you can do better,

than I

suggest you do so.

I suspect that your asking for cultures on a forum like this is not going to be

very

productive. I have made a number of suggestions as to whom you might contact.

> > >

> > > The medical community largely dismisses the notion that the

> > foreign body, silicone,

> >implanted into the body causes illness. This is dismissed because

> >there has been no

> >presentation regarding the formation of mold and fungus. Were THAT

> >presented with results

> >from cultures, the medical community would BELIEVE. That the mere

> >presence of a silicone

> >implant is responsible for so many illnesses is dismissed because it

> >makes no sense UNTIL

> >the development of fungus is presented. Please know that this theory

> >has not made its way

> >into the medical literature.

> > >

> > > Can anyone send me actual culture results along with implant histories?

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > > Sherry

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

> >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

> >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

> >Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

>

><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.co\

m/

action/

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Not sure how that can be. As a consumer, I was aware of the

litigation going on with silicone implants....even before I had

saline implants put in back in the mid 1990's. Didn't know the

details...but I was aware....and really not even trying to be

aware.

I am having a hard time figuring out just what you are saying with

your threads.

I grant you, most doctors that most of us have gone to whether it be

Internal Medicine, Dermatologist, Endocrinologist, Urologists,

Nephrologist..etc.....respond to the complaints we bring them in

their field of study. They are not going to look at us and

say... " OMG - must be your implants! "

However...I would have expected those in plastic surgery...to be

informed....and to do the informing.

And I would expect Internal Medicine trained physicians to be up on

it as well. They are the diagnosticians.

But admittedly enough...even my holistic Internal medicine doctor

did not put it together. I put it together for her. She agrees

and is supported but I have been going to her for over 2 years...to

try to find out what is wrong. Pretty sad state of affairs if you

ask me.

--- In , _00_ <5678@...>

wrote:

>

> Most physicians - not the cosmetic surgeons - are not even aware

of the litigation. They are not rejecting this issue because of any

bias against attorneys. They are aware that the issue is

controversial. They are UNAWARE of the fungal issue and they are

highly receptive when told about it. Their awareness is limited to a

very vague notion that there is controvery regarding the

implantation of silicone breast augmentations being associated with

complaints of auto-immune illness. They are unaware of the issues

regarding mold, rupture and migration.

>

> I met this morning with a group of young, well trained internists

and gastroenterologists who have been in practice for an average of

ten years. They are all graduates of fine American medical schools

who completed residencies at the best regarded institutions in this

country.

> Sherry

> Re: Credibility issues

>

>

> The medical community should pull their collective heads out of

their arses and not be so

> quick to judge lawyers. THAT is why they refused to listen to

the experts who said there was

> a problem - because those experts were hired by plaintiff's

attorneys. THere is NO incentive

> for the " medical community " to research implants now. I call it

willful ignorance.

>

> --- In , _00_ <5678@>

wrote:

> >

> > The medical community largely dismisses the notion that the

foreign body, silicone,

> implanted into the body causes illness. This is dismissed

because there has been no

> presentation regarding the formation of mold and fungus. Were

THAT presented with results

> from cultures, the medical community would BELIEVE. That the

mere presence of a silicone

> implant is responsible for so many illnesses is dismissed

because it makes no sense UNTIL

> the development of fungus is presented. Please know that this

theory has not made its way

> into the medical literature.

> >

> > Can anyone send me actual culture results along with implant

histories?

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Sherry

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician

or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sherry,

I am not that smart ok lets face it as sick as I have been the past year I had no other way of explaining it. I have been to so many doctors and told them from day one it was my implants. I am not a doctor. You know someone like me I go to doctor what's wrong well my ears hurt, my tongue feels thick, my pain goes around my right ear up into my brain and I have tingeling into my hands and feet. This is my symptoms sorry I don't know how medical Dr's want you to explain it to them for them to help you. There is no drama that is the symptoms point blank, except I failed to mention about 25 or so others. I was not taken serious, oh so now they are excused because they are more educated then me. I didn't know what the heck was wrong with me, all I knew is I got implants and felt like shit ever since. I told them just like that period. I am just and old hillbilly I guess and so I guess it's ok for Dr's not to take me serious. I remember to go get a medical degree so I can get some real treatment in the future. I think if a doctor is told well I feel like shit since BA then wouldn't you think they might be intelligent enough to run a test on you. Oh no I guess 30 year PS are not required to do this. I am getting nowhere with this subject. Sherry if you have implants and are having symptoms, I would suggest you get them removed before it gets any worse. I wish I had been smart enough to know I would have had mine removed before they almost killed me. I guess this is over with at least I hope so, just because you know medical terms doesn't mean I do. I have no idea what this means, this is why I went to so many doctors hoping they were educated to help me on this issue. Good Luck Sherry!!!

Sincerely,

Donna

[Guest guest]

Sherry,

One more thing I had no idea there could even be mold or fungus or bacteria in a Saline implant. All these smart doctors told me for over a year no way SAline is safe. So what ever this is getting now where with me. I had no idea until last wenesday when I was knocked out for 4 hours and woke up to be told stuff was floating in me. Saline is safe, NOT.

Donna

[Guest guest]

Sherry,

One more thing its a sad day, when you go to so many doctors for so long. I have to admit I believe this support group over any one of them. I had to diagnose myself, other wise I would be dead. If I had not found this support group last month, I would hate to see where I would be. This is a sad day in the USA with Dr's, even emergency rooms laughed at me. I thought they were skilled for every sickness????????????? These DR's might pull there stupidness on someone with implants for 10 20 30 years but me hell I was sick from day one. No excuse for this period, whether me or a veteran implanted women. If there is no way of Dr's to tell women if they are sick, then why should they be allowed to put them in. It should be criminal.

Donna

[Guest guest]

Sherry,

It would be wonderful if you could use your

connections to educate the medical professions. I'm

afraid you're overly optimistic about the reception

you'll receive. Let's hope not!

The person you need to contact is Dr. Blais in Canada.

He's examined thousands of breast implants and

capsules.

I understand he is very open to discussion and

available - but extremely busy.

Lea knows him personally. She can help you make

contact if you're interested.

I don't know if we have any current members who've

sent their implants to Dr. Blais . . . I know Shari

did. I'm copying this to her. Hopefully she'll

respond.

I'm quite sure Dr. Kolb knows women who have. Her

office ships them!

Rogene

--- _00_ <5678@...> wrote:

> I would like the results of cultures taken from the

> explanted prostheses.

> Sherry

> Re: Credibility issues

>

>

> Would you like a copy of my skin biopsy ? It

> shows fungus, but nobody would or will

> correlate that with the ruptured implants I had.

> When I looked it up, I found that the only

> cause readily identified for fungus like that was

> athlete's foot, and women sometimes get

> it on their legs, from shaving. This was on the

> back of my neck, which I assure you I do

> not shave. The dermatologist's only suggestion

> was to 'stop scratching'. She was useless,

> as were all but one dermatolgist I saw. My

> experience so far is that about 1 out of 10

> doctors seems to have a clue about anything other

> than the obvious.

>

>

>

>

> >

> > The medical community largely dismisses the

> notion that the foreign body, silicone,

> implanted into the body causes illness. This is

> dismissed because there has been no

> presentation regarding the formation of mold and

> fungus. Were THAT presented with

> results from cultures, the medical community would

> BELIEVE. That the mere presence of a

> silicone implant is responsible for so many

> illnesses is dismissed because it makes no

> sense UNTIL the development of fungus is

> presented. Please know that this theory has not

> made its way into the medical literature.

> >

> > Can anyone send me actual culture results along

> with implant histories?

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Sherry

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place

> of advice given by licensed health care

> professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> health care professional before commencing any

> medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts

> are, and make your own decisions about how to live a

> happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

> Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

> Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for

> access at this link:

> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- I will be sending my implants to Dr. Blais shortly after July

26th. Does anyone know how long it takes for the analysis to take

place? Let me know.

Love 'n Peace,

Sunny :)In , Rogene S <saxony01@...>

wrote:

>

> Sherry,

>

> It would be wonderful if you could use your

> connections to educate the medical professions. I'm

> afraid you're overly optimistic about the reception

> you'll receive. Let's hope not!

>

> The person you need to contact is Dr. Blais in Canada.

> He's examined thousands of breast implants and

> capsules.

>

> I understand he is very open to discussion and

> available - but extremely busy.

>

> Lea knows him personally. She can help you make

> contact if you're interested.

>

> I don't know if we have any current members who've

> sent their implants to Dr. Blais . . . I know Shari

> did. I'm copying this to her. Hopefully she'll

> respond.

>

> I'm quite sure Dr. Kolb knows women who have. Her

> office ships them!

>

> Rogene

>

>

>

> --- _00_ <5678@...> wrote:

>

> > I would like the results of cultures taken from the

> > explanted prostheses.

> > Sherry

> > Re: Credibility issues

> >

> >

> > Would you like a copy of my skin biopsy ? It

> > shows fungus, but nobody would or will

> > correlate that with the ruptured implants I had.

> > When I looked it up, I found that the only

> > cause readily identified for fungus like that was

> > athlete's foot, and women sometimes get

> > it on their legs, from shaving. This was on the

> > back of my neck, which I assure you I do

> > not shave. The dermatologist's only suggestion

> > was to 'stop scratching'. She was useless,

> > as were all but one dermatolgist I saw. My

> > experience so far is that about 1 out of 10

> > doctors seems to have a clue about anything other

> > than the obvious.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > The medical community largely dismisses the

> > notion that the foreign body, silicone,

> > implanted into the body causes illness. This is

> > dismissed because there has been no

> > presentation regarding the formation of mold and

> > fungus. Were THAT presented with

> > results from cultures, the medical community would

> > BELIEVE. That the mere presence of a

> > silicone implant is responsible for so many

> > illnesses is dismissed because it makes no

> > sense UNTIL the development of fungus is

> > presented. Please know that this theory has not

> > made its way into the medical literature.

> > >

> > > Can anyone send me actual culture results along

> > with implant histories?

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > > Sherry

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place

> > of advice given by licensed health care

> > professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> > health care professional before commencing any

> > medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> > politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts

> > are, and make your own decisions about how to live a

> > happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

> > Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

> > Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> > See our photos website! Enter " implants " for

> > access at this link:

> > http://.shutterfly.com/action/

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Donna, when you get the report, I would sure like to see it.

>

> Rogene,

>

> Dr. Kolb just sent my saline to Dr. Blais, don't have the report yet.

>

> Donna

>

[Guest guest]

Sherry does have problems with implants. She is also a physician. I hope that

doctors

who have implants, or sisters, mothers or daughters with implants, can spread

the

message. Perhaps they can reach others in their fields better than some of us

can. As an

attorney, I am not among the beloved of many doctors. ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > The medical community largely dismisses the notion that

> the

> > > > foreign body, silicone,

> > > >implanted into the body causes illness. This is dismissed

> because

> > > >there has been no

> > > >presentation regarding the formation of mold and fungus. Were

> THAT

> > > >presented with results

> > > >from cultures, the medical community would BELIEVE. That the

> mere

> > > >presence of a silicone

> > > >implant is responsible for so many illnesses is dismissed

> because it

> > > >makes no sense UNTIL

> > > >the development of fungus is presented. Please know that this

> theory

> > > >has not made its way

> > > >into the medical literature.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can anyone send me actual culture results along with

> implant histories?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thank you,

> > > > > Sherry

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> given

> > > >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician

> or

> > > >licensed health care professional before commencing any

> medical treatment.

> > > >

> > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > > >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> > > >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for

> a

> > > >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner

> (1954,

> > > >Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > > >

> > > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this

> link:

> > >

> ><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.sh

> utterfly.com/

> > action/

> > > >

> > > >