Re: Re: plastic surgeon

[Guest guest]

Hi: I have Aetna Health care also so let me know how it goes. They only

paid 80% of the hospital bill and I thought they should have paid 90% or an

agreed amount. Phyllis

[Guest guest]

Good luck to you too! I was told by someone on the plastic surgery list

that if the office of this surgeon was already so negative I maybe

should look for someone else. The appointment is two weeks from today

so I may make some other phone calls just to be on the safe side. I

want to start with my arms and my breasts (I think they will pay for the

breasts since I am still a " full " DD but am hopeful but not counting on

the arms). The tummy and thighs will have to wait for some more pounds

gone but I want to get started.

Re: Plastic surgeon

Hi

Good luck at your appointment. I have a consultation appointment this

Friday for a tummy tuck and maybe a thigh lift. My PCP is behind it

100% and gave me a referral to the plastic surgeon. My insurance is

Aetna/US Healthcare. I figured it was time to get the insurance

process started, too. We'll see if they approve. I'll keep you

posted. See you at the picnic!

Hugs,

Bern

TX

MGB 7/24/00

248/158

> I finally broke down and did it ---- I made a consultation

appointment

> with a plastic surgeon (even though they told me on the phone they

have

> never had CIGNA HMO approve the surgeries). I figure I have to

start

> the process somewhere. If they deny the surgeries I guess I will

just

> have to keep all this skin unless I win the lottery! My appointment

is

> on the 24th so wish me luck!

>

> in GA

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Karin Eby,

This is Rosemary Commisso, where did you go for the tummy tuck and

lipo, and who did it, Was it very painful and how long was you stay in

hospital, did you have a long recovery?/???I am so scared to even think about

all that, but I was really big, and always had and still have like an

infection under my belly, it forms wet and red and itchy and hurt, my doctor

gave me ointment, but it always comes back. My upper arms are hanging so

much now, and it is not that I have lost so much--I was 297 and am now 214, I

still have a long way to go but I know I have to do something. I just have

not idea where to go or who to have do this. I always read that plastic

surgery is the one thing that you have to be sure to get some one who knows

what they are doing. How do I know. Unless I talk to someone who has had

it. Please email me privately. RoCommisso1@...

Thanks Rosemary (DrR

Jan26,2001 297-214)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/10/01 2:14:22 PM Central Daylight Time,

jwmson1@... writes:

> want to start with my arms and my breasts (I think they will pay for the

> breasts since I am still a " full " DD but am hopeful but not counting on

> the arms). The tummy and thighs will have to wait for some more pounds

> gone but I want to get started.

>

>

>

Hi ,

Please be careful of what you wish for....you could end up with nothing....lol

Really, just kidding, but I hardly lost any at all in my breast until the

last 20 or so pounds before I reached goal. I wore a 42 DD starting out and

still wore a 36 DD until I got down to around 140. Now I am comfortable in a

34 D or C depending on the maker. I just went back to work yesterday after

being out for over 2 months and I actually had a guy ask me did I have breast

reduction surgery!!! (I'm sure all the rumors were flying that I had some

kind of plastic surgery). I had wanted breast reduction years ago, and I'm so

happy my doctors would not consider it. I guess I'm skeptical about any

surgery until you reach goal weight, which I'm SURE you will do!!

I'm still thrilled with my tummy tuck....I could play quarter bounce off

it....many ask me yesterday how much more weight have I lost, when actually

it has only been a couple pounds. Jeans just fit so much better and I did

eventually go down another size. I continue to be unhappy with the thigh

lift....my left leg actually looks worse than it did before surgery. My

surgeon said he would probably have to go back and revise and it's apparent

that 2 different surgeons did each side, due to the fact that time is limited

for being under anesthesia for both the surgeries consecutively. At least he

is willing to revise but I can't possibly take the time off work.

Still can't wait to see you at the picnic....Let me know when you get to

those 10's and I have some things for you....like those infamous black

leather pants!!!

in Raleigh

MGB 11/22/99 270/127 size 24/4

tummy tuck and thigh lift 7/6/01

[Guest guest]

All of that is really good information --- I was hoping to go ahead with

my breasts and my arms now but maybe I won't --- I'll just get a

consultation. I certainly don't want to end up " boob-less! " I really

don't want to be as little as you are now --- I would like to be a good

solid 8 to 10 so I don't know how many pounds that will be but at least

30 more.

As for the leather, etc. - I can get into the 12s I have now so if you

want to get rid of your 10s bring them to the picnic or the Hawthorn and

I will be glad to take them off your hands.

I can't wait to meet you finally. I have always referred to you as my

" mentor " and I now have someone who considers me the same (she had a lap

RNY on 08/28) and I hope I can do as well as you have done for me!

Re: Re: Plastic surgeon

In a message dated 9/10/01 2:14:22 PM Central Daylight Time,

jwmson1@... writes:

> want to start with my arms and my breasts (I think they will pay for

the

> breasts since I am still a " full " DD but am hopeful but not counting

on

> the arms). The tummy and thighs will have to wait for some more

pounds

> gone but I want to get started.

>

>

>

Hi ,

Please be careful of what you wish for....you could end up with

nothing....lol

Really, just kidding, but I hardly lost any at all in my breast until

the

last 20 or so pounds before I reached goal. I wore a 42 DD starting out

and

still wore a 36 DD until I got down to around 140. Now I am comfortable

in a

34 D or C depending on the maker. I just went back to work yesterday

after

being out for over 2 months and I actually had a guy ask me did I have

breast

reduction surgery!!! (I'm sure all the rumors were flying that I had

some

kind of plastic surgery). I had wanted breast reduction years ago, and

I'm so

happy my doctors would not consider it. I guess I'm skeptical about any

surgery until you reach goal weight, which I'm SURE you will do!!

I'm still thrilled with my tummy tuck....I could play quarter bounce off

it....many ask me yesterday how much more weight have I lost, when

actually

it has only been a couple pounds. Jeans just fit so much better and I

did

eventually go down another size. I continue to be unhappy with the thigh

lift....my left leg actually looks worse than it did before surgery. My

surgeon said he would probably have to go back and revise and it's

apparent

that 2 different surgeons did each side, due to the fact that time is

limited

for being under anesthesia for both the surgeries consecutively. At

least he

is willing to revise but I can't possibly take the time off work.

Still can't wait to see you at the picnic....Let me know when you get to

those 10's and I have some things for you....like those infamous black

leather pants!!!

in Raleigh

MGB 11/22/99 270/127 size 24/4

tummy tuck and thigh lift 7/6/01

[Guest guest]

, so glad to hear how well you are doing...I am glad your boobies got

smaller...It just isn't fair for you to have ALL the luck....something has

to keep you humble...ONLY KIDDING>...Miss you sweetie...See you soon. at the

picnic for sure...I will be the cripp....hobbling along...

Re: Re: Plastic surgeon

In a message dated 9/10/01 2:14:22 PM Central Daylight Time,

jwmson1@... writes:

> want to start with my arms and my breasts (I think they will pay for the

> breasts since I am still a " full " DD but am hopeful but not counting on

> the arms). The tummy and thighs will have to wait for some more pounds

> gone but I want to get started.

>

>

>

Hi ,

Please be careful of what you wish for....you could end up with

nothing....lol

Really, just kidding, but I hardly lost any at all in my breast until the

last 20 or so pounds before I reached goal. I wore a 42 DD starting out and

still wore a 36 DD until I got down to around 140. Now I am comfortable in a

34 D or C depending on the maker. I just went back to work yesterday after

being out for over 2 months and I actually had a guy ask me did I have

breast

reduction surgery!!! (I'm sure all the rumors were flying that I had some

kind of plastic surgery). I had wanted breast reduction years ago, and I'm

so

happy my doctors would not consider it. I guess I'm skeptical about any

surgery until you reach goal weight, which I'm SURE you will do!!

I'm still thrilled with my tummy tuck....I could play quarter bounce off

it....many ask me yesterday how much more weight have I lost, when actually

it has only been a couple pounds. Jeans just fit so much better and I did

eventually go down another size. I continue to be unhappy with the thigh

lift....my left leg actually looks worse than it did before surgery. My

surgeon said he would probably have to go back and revise and it's apparent

that 2 different surgeons did each side, due to the fact that time is

limited

for being under anesthesia for both the surgeries consecutively. At least he

is willing to revise but I can't possibly take the time off work.

Still can't wait to see you at the picnic....Let me know when you get to

those 10's and I have some things for you....like those infamous black

leather pants!!!

in Raleigh

MGB 11/22/99 270/127 size 24/4

tummy tuck and thigh lift 7/6/01

[Guest guest]

I went to a plastic surgeon today... just to find out about things....... and

there I sat boobs and all... and he said let's look at those breasts.... I

said I am a DD and he said.. Honey your an EEE just stuffing into a DD, I

thought I would die.... but he said he would cut them in half... I mean the

size... lol and he wants to do it maybe in Jan. he is going to submit it to

my insurance... and they took pics of the boobs and I told them pleae hide my

face.... because they will be sending those pics to the insurance company....

I told the Dr. they look like cow utters............... lol Well just wanted

to add my 2 cents........

Sharon in NC

[Guest guest]

No .... I am far from my goal.. but I have been having such pain in my

shoulders and back due to the big watermelons....... lol... so the Dr wanted

to wait till Jan to see how much more I lose... I was 327 at surgery on March

12,2001 and today I am at 230... 6months.. so that's only 97 lbs.. I am 5'7

so I have at least another 70 - 80 lbs to get to goal...

Sharon in NC

[Guest guest]

Oh Lord --- the things I have to look forward to at my visit! Sharon -

are you at your goal or close to it? I am 30 pounds at least away from

mine but want to start the process.

Re: Re: Plastic surgeon

I went to a plastic surgeon today... just to find out about

things....... and

there I sat boobs and all... and he said let's look at those breasts....

I

said I am a DD and he said.. Honey your an EEE just stuffing into a DD,

I

thought I would die.... but he said he would cut them in half... I mean

the

size... lol and he wants to do it maybe in Jan. he is going to submit it

to

my insurance... and they took pics of the boobs and I told them pleae

hide my

face.... because they will be sending those pics to the insurance

company....

I told the Dr. they look like cow utters............... lol Well just

wanted

to add my 2 cents........

Sharon in NC

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/11/01 2:03:14 PM Central Daylight Time,

nvalmassoi@... writes:

> , so glad to hear how well you are doing...I am glad your boobies got

> smaller...It just isn't fair for you to have ALL the luck....something has

> to keep you humble...ONLY KIDDING>...Miss you sweetie...See you soon. at the

> picnic for sure...I will be the cripp....hobbling along...

>

Well hello cripp !! I sure miss you and I'm so sorry about your ankle.

So you were playing soccer, were you? LOL That rumor sounds a little more

adventurous!!

Hey, I'm really glad they got smaller too, but don't want any more loss (but

could use a lift). I bought a Jockey stretchy type bra in a 34 C a couple

weeks ago, and I've never wore a C in my life. (still wear some D's too, like

Vanity Fair and Warners) I feel NORMAL!!

Alas though, I have been humbled many times over this year and brought down

to reality in my life.... I have deep mental scars to prove it, not to even

mention what all is going down in the world right now. At work yesterday on

my second day back I'm having to seperate all packages with stamps over 16

ounces that may be bombs.

It's a skiddish feeling walking into any federal building now. is

calling wanting me to come home....Then I have to walk in and tell them after

a 2 month absence, that I have a subpoena to be in court Friday over the

motorcycle accident and 's death in May. Open house at school was

Monday and 3 of 's teachers want conferences with me, and this is a

brilliant kid who usually has no problems (but in 7th grade now, so that's a

problem in itself). At a time when all families should be bonding I feel as

though I've done nothing but argue and make demands on his schooling. Oh

well, such is life...I'll do my best and hope to God it works out in the end.

I hope ALL your boys are doing well, and you know I would not want to miss

you for the world. I'll see ya soon lady with the sweetest smile!!!

in Raleigh

MGB 11/22/99 270/127 size 24/4

[Guest guest]

Sharon, did he think the insurance would cover the surgery, and if so, why,

is it due to the pull on the back or what???

Re: Re: Plastic surgeon

I went to a plastic surgeon today... just to find out about things.......

and

there I sat boobs and all... and he said let's look at those breasts.... I

said I am a DD and he said.. Honey your an EEE just stuffing into a DD, I

thought I would die.... but he said he would cut them in half... I mean the

size... lol and he wants to do it maybe in Jan. he is going to submit it to

my insurance... and they took pics of the boobs and I told them pleae hide

my

face.... because they will be sending those pics to the insurance

company....

I told the Dr. they look like cow utters............... lol Well just

wanted

to add my 2 cents........

Sharon in NC

[Guest guest]

...... Yes is said most insurance companies will cover boobie jobs...

but you need to word it correctly... as he told me... back pain and shoulder

pain... he submitted it to my insurance so when I hear I will tell you....

Sharon in NC

[Guest guest]

Rogene,

This is an excellent Idea. I thought about that at least going schools to warn teenage girls like the seniors anyway. I know its becoming more and more popular for teenagers to get these toxic bombs how scary is that then they have children and pass the illness to there kids. That is a great idea and hope we all could help you achieve that Rogene. If you need anything let me know count me in.

Sincerely,

Donna

[Guest guest]

I wonder if we all got together from all these support forums and maybe asked Oprah to help us she is popular. Maybe we could pickett the damn white house for a month. Get groups together and pickett the fda or the implant companies door. I don't know just trying to suggest something.

Molly,

I don't have an attorney so how could a doctor be paid off by ME?????

Donna

[Guest guest]

Okay, so how can we get someone in a position of authority over these idiots to make them look at the evidence....that women are getting better when properly explanted? There has got to be a way to make medical people be accountable to the evidence that we have. It seems hard, but there has to be somebody, somewhere with enough power to stand up to these arrogant people. I was reading today in my Bible out of Luke Chapter 11. The subject was prayer. The point that Christ was making was this: that through persistence we will get what we ask for. We must persist! My question is....who do we go to? Who is in a position to listen to us and make the medical profession do what needs to be done to protect women's health? I am open to any and all answers! Patty Molly Bloom

<mollyb54@...> wrote: You know what I fear? That alleged plastic surgeons like the idiot Robtold he Oliver on Wikopedia won't pay any attention to this. They write off people like Dr. Blais as being bought by plaintiff's attorneys. I have seen what this idiot has written on his blog, and tried to on Wikopedia (I successfully stopped him) and it is frightening -- he tells people that implants are safe and any suggestion to the contrary is just part of the "Tort" conspiracy. One woman wrote in on a student medical blog, and asked if silicone implants might be dangerous. Rob Oliver (I refuse to call him Dr.) essentially told her that silicone implants are not at all dangerous, and the FDA decision was just political, and a result of fivolous lawsuits.And, he

is complaining about me all over the internet. It is pretty funny. But he is very full of himself, and from what I can tell of where he went to med school (Podunk U), he has no reason for such arrogance. But isn't that usually the case?I utterly detest that man. I suspect he is one of many many just like him. >> Since the mid 80's at least ... the myth that the capsule would melt > away or 'resolve' has been proven to be untrue ...> > This is an important piece to share with your doctor ...> > Anyone who is going to be explanted ~ please read and pass on to > your doctor! > > > Residual Capsule and Intercapsular Debris As Long Term Risk > Factors > > >

Contamination of the space between the capsule and the implants > by > micro-organisms, silicone oils, degradation products and gel > impurities > constitutes a major problem which potentiates the risk of implants. > Such > problems include inflammation, infection, deposition of mineral > debris, as > well as certain auto-immune phenomena. These problems can be > present when > implants are in situ (in the body) and are often attributable to the > implant. The logical expectation is that, upon removal of the > implants, > adverse effects will cease. This is an unjustifiably optimistic > view. It > is well documented from case histories that removal and or > replacement of > implants without exhaustive debridement of the prosthetic site leads > to > failure and post surgical complications. > >

> Plastic surgery procedures tend to favor speed and immediate > cosmetic > results. For these reasons, leaving or „reusing¾ tissue from an > existing > capsule may seem more „gratifying¾. However, adverse effects > resulting > from the practice are widespread but have not been well documented. > Typically, patients who require removal of faulty implants and > undergo > immediate re-implantation in the same prosthetic site habitually > relapse > with the same problem which motivated the previous surgery; the > most > common example is exchange of implants and/or sectorizing or > bisecting the > capsule without removing it completely. > > > Such patients rarely achieve a significant capsular correction > and > habitually return for more similar surgery. A more

illustrative > situation > is that where patients do not receive replacement implants. They > form the > basis of knowledge for evaluating the risks that arise from > remaining > capsules. An example is described in a paper published in 1993 > (Copeland, > M., Kessel, A., Spiera, H., Hermann, G., Bleiweiss, I. J.; Systemic > Inflammatory Disorder Related To Fibrous Breast Capsules After > Silicone > Implant Removal; Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery: 92 (6), 1179-> 1181, > 1993): reported problems derived primarily from immune phenomena > and > inflammatory syndromes with pain, swelling, serologic abnormaladies > and > alarming radiologic presentation. > > > Numerous similar cases have been noted amongst implant patients > but > have not been the object of

publications. Some are cited in FDA > Reaction > Reports. Others appear in the U.S. Pharmacopoeia Reporting > Programs. > > > A residual capsule is not a stable entity. It may collapse upon > completion of surgery and remain asymptomatic for some time, > however, it > will fill with extracellular fluid and remain as a fluid-filled > space with > added blood and prosthetic debris. As the wall matures and the > breast > remodels to accommodate the loss of the prostheses, the capsular > tissue > shrinks. Water as well as electrolytes are expelled gradually from > the > pocket or else the mixture is concentrated from leakage of water > from the > semi-permeable capsular membrane wall. In most cases, calcium salts > precipitate during that stage and may render the capsule visible as > a

> radiodense and speckled zone in radiographic projections. > Prosthetic > debris is also radiodense and may be imaged to further complicate > the > presentation. The average size of the residual capsules after 6-12 > months > is in the 2-7 cm range: most are compact, comparatively small and > dense. > Surgical removal should present no difficulty for most patients if > adequate radiographic information is available. > > > Later stages of maturation include the thickening of the capsule > wall, > sometimes reaching 0.5-1cm. Compression of the debris into a > cluster of > nodules which actually become calcified follows for some patients. > A few > mimic malignancies. Others appear as small „prostheses¾ during > mammographic studies. They are alarming to onocologists and are

> habitually signalled for further studies or biopsies by oncologic > radiologists. > > > In light of the present knowledge and considering the probable > content > of the residual closed capsules, an open or needle biopsy is not > advisable. The risks of releasing significant amounts of hazardous > contamination and possibly spreading infective entities outweighs > the > advantage of the diagnostic. At any rate, such a capsule requires > removal > for mitigation of symptoms and a more direct surgical approach > appears > more economical and less risky. > > > In summary, a capsule with a dense fibro-collagenous wall > behaves as a > bioreactor. Worse yet, it is fitted with a semi-permeable wall that > may > periodically open to release its content to

the breast. The > probability > of finding the space colonized with atypical microorganisms is > elevated > and the control of infective processes by classic pharmacologic > approaches > is difficult if not impossible. > > > Such closed capsular spaces may be comparable to „artificial > organs¾ of > unpredictable functions. Their behavior will depend on the content > and > the age of the structure, its maturity and the history of the > patient. > There is a high probability that these capsules will continue to > evolve > for many years, adding more layers of fibro-collagenous tissue and > possibly granulomatous material. If bacterial entities are present > within > the capsule space, they can culminate in large breast abscesses with > will > resist conservative treatments. >

> > Even with less active capsules containing mostly oily and > calcitic > debris, the thickening of the wall leads eventually to solid „tumor-> like > structures¾ and are, by themselves, alarming on auscultation and > self > examination. At best, such structures are unique environments for > protein > denaturation and aberrant biochemical reactions with unknown long > term > consequences. > > > Pierre Blais, PhD > Innoval > 496 Westminster Ave. > Ottawa, Ontario > Canada KeA 2V1 > 613. 728-8688 > 613. 728-0687 Fax > > > Pierre Blais, PhD received his undergraduate and graduate degrees in > physical-organic polymer chemistry from McGill University in > Montreal, > Canada, and a Post-doctorate Fellowship in biomaterials engineering > at >

Case Western University in Cleveland, Ohio. In 1976 he became one > of the > first scientists to join the medical devices and radiological health > program of the Department of Health and Welfare in Canada. He left > the > department in 1989 as Senior Scientific Advisor and formed Innoval > Consultants, a firm engaged in the design, testing and failure > analysis of > high risk medical systems. He has authored over 250 publications on > medical materials and their interactions with living tissues.>

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[Guest guest]

Ladies . . . And Thanks Patty!

I've often wondered if we could put a packet together

to cover all aspects, with a cover letter that gives a

quick review and arouses curiosity. . . If each of us

would make copies and HAND deliver the packet to all

the doctors in our area, PLUS the local news media, if

it would get the ball rolling. . . . Giving it to the

doctors who haven't been able to help our women is

especially important. It certainly couldn't hurt!

I'm sure that, if the information got in the hands of

the right people things would start changing. Most of

them know women and children who have been affected

but don't understand the implant connection yet.

We could put a complete packet in the archives so

newcomers could take the information to their doctors.

We could also distribute the packet to various women's

groups, schools and organizations.

If we could get other groups to participate, we could

reach thousands of doctors!

I would offer to do it, but my organizational skills

aren't that great - and my plate is very full right

now. I would be happy to distribute copies though!

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Rogene, I think that is a good ideal! I was glad to have spoke to my ps

about me being sick. If anything, I probably made him think about what I

said for a day. Who knows, maybe more will be calling his office complaining

of the same things. Its a start, its hard to fight a cause without the

energy that you used to have. Margie

>From: Rogene S <saxony01@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Re: plastic surgeon

>Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 19:31:43 -0700 (PDT)

>

>

>

>

>Ladies . . . And Thanks Patty!

>

>

>

>I've often wondered if we could put a packet together

>

>to cover all aspects, with a cover letter that gives a

>

>quick review and arouses curiosity. . . If each of us

>

>would make copies and HAND deliver the packet to all

>

>the doctors in our area, PLUS the local news media, if

>

>it would get the ball rolling. . . . Giving it to the

>

>doctors who haven't been able to help our women is

>

>especially important. It certainly couldn't hurt!

>

>

>

>I'm sure that, if the information got in the hands of

>

>the right people things would start changing. Most of

>

>them know women and children who have been affected

>

>but don't understand the implant connection yet.

>

>

>

>We could put a complete packet in the archives so

>

>newcomers could take the information to their doctors.

>

>We could also distribute the packet to various women's

>

>groups, schools and organizations.

>

>

>

>If we could get other groups to participate, we could

>

>reach thousands of doctors!

>

>

>

>I would offer to do it, but my organizational skills

>

>aren't that great - and my plate is very full right

>

>now. I would be happy to distribute copies though!

>

>

>

>Hugs and prayers,

>

>

>

>Rogene

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

>licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

>

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

>Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

>a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time

>Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

>

>

>See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

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>http://.shutterfly.com/action/

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>

[Guest guest]

Has anyone just contacted any tv shows? The View, the Today Show, Dr. PHIL

or Oprah. It seems to me that just bringing up the topic is a start. These

shows sometime have to fill up time and they will have some unusual topics.

The View just brings up any topics, then they each take turns saying how

they feel about the topic. I am sure these shows would open up more

communication doors. margie

>From: " glory2glory1401 " <glory2glory1401@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: plastic surgeon

>Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:22:42 -0000

>

>

>

>

>Rogene,

>

>I think this is a good idea....the one thing I think needs

>

>clarification is under what agency would this packet be

>

>distributed? It has to have a name that has clout. Or maybe a

>

>bunch of names.

>

>

>

>Maybe Dr. Zuckerman's Washington DC based organization can

>

>help us, along with Ilena's Humantics Foundation for Women.

>

>

>

>Is there any other organization out there that can put their name on

>

>it? How about Dr. Kolb's Human Adjuvant Disease Corp?

>

>

>

>If we can tie all of these entities together and any others that

>

>have the same goals, perhaps we can get something going that will be

>

>effective.

>

>

>

>There's also the Hollywood group, " In the Know " that actress

>

>McDonough started after her horrific implant experience. And then

>

>there is Sally Kirkland's Institute, too....

>

>

>

>Any others, anyone? And then we need somebody to head this up and

>

>get the ball moving! Molly??????

>

>

>

>Patty

>

>

>

>

>

> >

>

> > Ladies . . . And Thanks Patty!

>

> >

>

> > I've often wondered if we could put a packet together

>

> > to cover all aspects, with a cover letter that gives a

>

> > quick review and arouses curiosity. . . If each of us

>

> > would make copies and HAND deliver the packet to all

>

> > the doctors in our area, PLUS the local news media, if

>

> > it would get the ball rolling. . . . Giving it to the

>

> > doctors who haven't been able to help our women is

>

> > especially important. It certainly couldn't hurt!

>

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> > I'm sure that, if the information got in the hands of

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> > the right people things would start changing. Most of

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> > them know women and children who have been affected

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> > but don't understand the implant connection yet.

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> > We could put a complete packet in the archives so

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> > newcomers could take the information to their doctors.

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> > We could also distribute the packet to various women's

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> > groups, schools and organizations.

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> > If we could get other groups to participate, we could

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> > reach thousands of doctors!

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> > I would offer to do it, but my organizational skills

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> > aren't that great - and my plate is very full right

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> > now. I would be happy to distribute copies though!

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> >

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> > Hugs and prayers,

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> > Rogene

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>Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

>licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

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>

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

>Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

>a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time

>Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

>

>

>See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

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>http://.shutterfly.com/action/

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I think we've tried numerous times. I know that Oprah has been hit with our stories quite often. Montel just did a show not very long ago in which he interviewed one of our members, Kacey Long, but at the end, made a statement that questioned the credibility of her claim that her implants had anything to do with her health issues. MTV has done about a half dozen or so stories from our girls on the group in their production called 'I Want A Famous Face". They each got about 3 minutes on an hour long show that focused more on the glamorous side of plastic surgery. Although we got ripped off in time, hey, at least we got our girls on there! I am really thankful that the producers of that show were able to give us any time at all. They were really wonderful, and were probably under constraints with higher ups. I've had my story told on our local NBC affiliate news

channel, and I know Colleen in Tennessee and Shari in Florida have also had their stories told on their local news. We get little bits and pieces here and there, but it's never enough. Where is the outrage over our health collapse due to implants? It isn't there because people have been deceived into believing that implants are safe. This works because of the wonderful (NOT!) world of marketing (which was my college major). Marketing can cause a whole society to believe something that is simply not true while making it look wholly legitimate. Example....do any of you more mature women remember the Geritol commericals many years ago? Remember the phrase "iron-poor blood"? And remember how people were led to believe they needed to just supplement iron as a way to be energized and overcome fatigue? Geritol sold alot of product with those commercials, and

people everywhere thought iron was the answer. I remember my mom taking it. My mother-in-law continued to take iron after her retirement (and after menopause....no more loss of blood through that monthly cycle). But guess what? Most people don't need extra iron....and in fact, too much iron in the body can contribute to heart disease! But most Americans were deceived for years into believing that iron poor blood was a real concern! How long did it take to undo the damage of that marketing effort? Years and years.... Well, we are living with the reality of the breast implant marketing effort. You'd think that people would be alarmed, shocked and enraged everywhere at the idea that women are suffering tragically because of implants and the deception we live with. But nope, people have been lulled into this sense of safety because of the media outcry that implants are safe

and we are all a bunch of greedy, hypochondriac women. <sigh> We can keep trying to get our stories on TV, radio, newspaper, magazines, internet....whatever it takes. It's going to take a long time girls. Patty Margie Horan <margiehoran@...> wrote: Has anyone just contacted any tv shows? The View, the Today Show, Dr. PHIL or Oprah. It seems to me that just bringing up the topic is a start. These shows sometime have to fill up time and they will have some unusual topics. The View just brings up any topics, then they each take turns saying how they feel about the topic. I am sure these shows would open up more communication doors. margie>From: "glory2glory1401" <glory2glory1401@...>>Reply-To:

> >Subject: Re: plastic surgeon>Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:22:42 -0000>>>>>Rogene,>>I think this is a good idea....the one thing I think needs>>clarification is under what agency would this packet be>>distributed? It has to have a name that has clout. Or maybe a>>bunch of names.>>>>Maybe Dr. Zuckerman's Washington DC based organization can>>help us, along with Ilena's Humantics Foundation for Women.>>>>Is there any other organization out there that can put their name on>>it? How about Dr. Kolb's Human Adjuvant Disease Corp?>>>>If we can tie all of these entities together and any others that>>have the same goals, perhaps we can get

something going that will be>>effective.>>>>There's also the Hollywood group, "In the Know" that actress >>McDonough started after her horrific implant experience. And then>>there is Sally Kirkland's Institute, too....>>>>Any others, anyone? And then we need somebody to head this up and>>get the ball moving! Molly??????>>>>Patty>>>>>> >>> > Ladies . . . And Thanks Patty!>> >>> > I've often wondered if we could put a packet together>> > to cover all aspects, with a cover letter that gives a>> > quick review and arouses curiosity. . . If each of us>> > would make copies and HAND deliver the packet

to all>> > the doctors in our area, PLUS the local news media, if>> > it would get the ball rolling. . . . Giving it to the>> > doctors who haven't been able to help our women is>> > especially important. It certainly couldn't hurt!>> >>> > I'm sure that, if the information got in the hands of>> > the right people things would start changing. Most of>> > them know women and children who have been affected>> > but don't understand the implant connection yet.>> >>> > We could put a complete packet in the archives so>> > newcomers could take the information to their doctors.>> > We could also distribute the packet to various women's>> > groups, schools and organizations.>> >>> > If we could get other groups

to participate, we could>> > reach thousands of doctors!>> >>> > I would offer to do it, but my organizational skills>> > aren't that great - and my plate is very full right>> > now. I would be happy to distribute copies though!>> >>> > Hugs and prayers,>> >>> > Rogene>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.>>>>"Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

how to live >a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time >Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)>>>>See our photos website! Enter "implants" for access at this link:>>http://.shutterfly.com/action/>>>>

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Hello Ladies,

There is a programme in the UK called Watchdog. This programme exposes scams, burglars, crooks etc.

Anyway, I had a client over from the UK and I had to pick him up from the airport. He was asking me how I was and I told him about my forthcoming explant and the illnesses I had been having due to the implants.

He was very interested as his 24 year old model girlfriend has got implants!!. He said he believed me and is against them completely but has to be careful what he says infront of his girlfriend.

She was actually sick while she was here with some strange stomach problems and I had to take her to the hospital. She told me she was going home to get her implants checked!! Good girl.

Anyhow, , the guy, has a friend who is a Director of Watchdog. said if I was interested, he would talk to him and see if he would be interested in doing a story. said he would be particularly interested as the operation was here in the Canaries and that my previous surgeon was stopped from carrying out any more plastic surgery!! (Gosh, they will even want to find the little worm)

I e mailed yesterday and told him I was now explanted and ready to talk. He said fantastic, he would get onto his friend and be in touch. Even though it is a UK programme, there are many brits living in the Canaries and Spain which can get this programme. It would be such a relief to me if they did it.

I was going to give up on trying to get any further with anything here as I am up against a foreign language. However, today I have spoken with an aquaintance who, although is English is married to a Spanish guy and has lived in the Canaries for over 30 years so knows her way around so to speak. She is more than happy to help me and told me that her friend is sueing the health authorities here over some problem and has got a very good solicitor who only takes a percentage if they win and they will take on anything. She is going to e mail his information and also come over for a chat to find out the whole story. If anyone can help, she can. I am now in a fighting mood.

Tenerife is such a small country and has probably not come across this type of resistance before so I have nothing to loose really. There must be lots of women in my position who have just sat back and accepted what has happened like I would have if I hadn't joined the group.

My sister and I are also going to do a talk at my daughters school. Its only a small private school but if we hand out leaflets at the end so they can take them home for their Mums, word will get round. Everyone knows everyone here and there are many business owners at my Daughters school, particularly hairdressers, beauty therapists etc whom I am sure will do something publicly with me.

I know this probably wont have much effect on you girls in the USA but one thing is good, if we can spread the word to other countries its got to be worth it. I'm kinda on my own out here but it won't stop me. The one nice thing about living here is that if you don't know something, there is always someone who does and someone willing to help if you ask.

Fingers crossed,

Love

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-- Re: plastic surgeon>Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:22:42 -0000>>>>>Rogene,>>I think this is a good idea....the one thing I think needs>>clarification is under what agency would this packet be>>distributed? It has to have a name that has clout. Or maybe a>>bunch of names.>>>>Maybe Dr. Zuckerman's Washington DC based organization can>>help us, along with Ilena's Humantics Foundation for Women.>>>>Is there any other organization out there that can put their name on>>it? How about Dr. Kolb's Human Adjuvant Disease Corp?>>>>If we can tie all of these entities together and any others that>>have the same goals, perhaps we can get something going that will be>>effective.>>>>There's also the Hollywood group, "In the Know" that actress >>McDonough started after her horrific implant experience. And then>>there is Sally Kirkland's Institute, too....>>>>Any others, anyone? And then we need somebody to head this up and>>get the ball moving! Molly??????>>>>Patty>>>>>> >>> > Ladies . . . And Thanks Patty!>> >>> > I've often wondered if we could put a packet together>> > to cover all aspects, with a cover letter that gives a>> > quick review and arouses curiosity. . . If each of us>> > would make copies and HAND deliver the packet to all>> > the doctors in our area, PLUS the local news media, if>> > it would get the ball rolling. . . . Giving it to the>> > doctors who haven't been able to help our women is>> > especially important. It certainly couldn't hurt!>> >>> > I'm sure that, if the information got in the hands of>> > the right people things would start changing. Most of>> > them know women and children who have been affected>> > but don't understand the implant connection yet.>> >>> > We could put a complete packet in the archives so>> > newcomers could take the information to their doctors.>> > We could also distribute the packet to various women's>> > groups, schools and organizations.>> >>> > If we could get other groups to participate, we could>> > reach thousands of doctors!>> >>> > I would offer to do it, but my organizational skills>> > aren't that great - and my plate is very full right>> > now. I would be happy to distribute copies though!>> >>> > Hugs and prayers,>> >>> > Rogene>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.>>>>"Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live >a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time >Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)>>>>See our photos website! Enter "implants" for access at this link:>>http://.shutterfly.com/action/>>>>

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I'm really excited about the possiblity that you've

made a connection that may spotlight the implant

issue! . . . Please keep us updated on how it goes.

I hope this gent has a will of steel. He's going to

have a lot of pressure brought against him!

It's wonderful to know you're doing well and your

fighting spirit is coming back!

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

The View touched on breast implants some time ago . .

.. I don't remember the names of those on it any more -

But, if I remember right, the woman who's moving to

primetime news used to have breast implants and had

them removed. . . She's not in favor of them. However,

the black woman recently got them!

Sometime ago, there was a broadcast (on NPR, I think)

that discussed how this country is actually run by

those who advertise in the media - all types of media.

The government actually has meetings with the top

people who tell them what policies they want enacted!

We have the best government MONEY can BUY!

In order to change things, we must do it at a local

level - one person at a time! . . . The fact that

women would prefer not to discuss having breast

implants has empowered the manufacturers and plastic

surgeons too long!

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Patty,

I don't know that any one organization need to put

their name on something like this . . . If they wanted

to put their name on a particular contribution, that

would be great . . . In fact, the more groups that

contribute the better! . . . With all the stuff that's

gone on between support groups and support leaders, I

would hesitate to allow any group to control anything

- other than to offer to share whatever can be made

available from whomever wants to contribute.

I see it as a packet of information that covers the

problems with capsules, platinum, silicone

sensitivity, personal stories, . . . plus all the

medical info we can assemble. Still it has to be a

reasonable size . . . Say, not more than 20 pages.

The fewer the better. Referencing sources and web

pages would allow anyone interested to get more

detailed information as they see fit.

Personally, I would like to be able to go to an

archive (like our archives), or a dedicated web page,

print off information, select a cover letter targeted

to one of any number of audiences. i.e. rheumy's,

plastic surgeons, gynecologists, children's doctors, -

or to women's organizations, students, etc., that I

would personalize as needed. . . I would make copies

and take them with me to doctor's appointments, give

them to women's groups, and distribute the packets to

medical professionals who are likely to be seeing

women with implant issues. The cover page needs to be

compelling enough to get them to read through the rest

of the packet. The references need to be the type that

medical professionals would take seriously.

I'm convinced ALL the information is already

available. What it's going to take is organizing it

into a cohesive packet that grabs the attention of the

recipient.

Rogene

[Guest guest]

I've been to D.C. to protest twice . . A number of our

women have gone too! I met Colleen, Shari and another

group member there about a year ago . . . Lynda is the

only one who I can think of who is still posting

regularly. She was in D.C. at the same time I was

about ten years ago . . . I didn't meet her then

though.

Ten years ago, we picketed Congress, called on our

Congressmen/women. Last year we picketed the various

Federal agencies responsible for oversight of breast

implants . . . Some of our ladies have testified, or

had their testimony read to the FDA panels.

To sum it up, I don't think it mattered one iota! . .

.. We did get some press coverage that was used for

years . . . And we probably rattled some cages! The

New York Times saw fit to come out with some

blistering articles ten years ago.

When you go to D.C. to protest, you have to get a

permit. You are then restricted to an out-of-the way

spot that is sure to minimize the attention you get.

If you don't go by the rules, you go to jail!

Hugs,

Rogene

--- BSBanshee1@... wrote:

> I wonder if we all got together from all these

> support forums and maybe asked

> Oprah to help us she is popular. Maybe we could

> pickett the damn white house

> for a month. Get groups together and pickett the

> fda or the implant

> companies door. I don't know just trying to suggest

> something.

>

> Molly,

>

> I don't have an attorney so how could a doctor be

> paid off by ME?????

>

> Donna

>

[Guest guest]

Rogene, I sure feel like I can't just sit with my hands tied behind my back.

I Feel like climbing the highest mountain and yelling as loud as I can.

These lies cannot continue!! I will probably spend the rest of my life

fighting this cause. Someone has to be accountable for these bad devices,

for I am sudject to life long blood tests and oncolgy visits fro the rest of

my life. Not only that, but the constant worry of multiple myeloma,

financial and emotional stress.... the list goes on. We must continue to

work hard to spead the word! Margie

>From: Rogene S <saxony01@...>

>Reply-

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>Subject: RE: Re: plastic surgeon

>Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:40:52 -0700 (PDT)

>

>

>

>

>The View touched on breast implants some time ago . .

>

>. I don't remember the names of those on it any more -

>

>But, if I remember right, the woman who's moving to

>

>primetime news used to have breast implants and had

>

>them removed. . . She's not in favor of them. However,

>

>the black woman recently got them!

>

>

>

>Sometime ago, there was a broadcast (on NPR, I think)

>

>that discussed how this country is actually run by

>

>those who advertise in the media - all types of media.

>

>The government actually has meetings with the top

>

>people who tell them what policies they want enacted!

>

>

>

>We have the best government MONEY can BUY!

>

>

>

>In order to change things, we must do it at a local

>

>level - one person at a time! . . . The fact that

>

>women would prefer not to discuss having breast

>

>implants has empowered the manufacturers and plastic

>

>surgeons too long!

>

>

>

>Rogene

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>

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>Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

>licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

>

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

>Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

>a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time

>Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

>

>

>See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

>

>http://.shutterfly.com/action/

>

>

>

>