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>From: TrlrTrukn@...

>Thanks for the info on the warm running water to get the blood flowing.

That helps for me too. I find also that I get more blood out of fingers

on my left hand than on the right. Don't know if this is common.

>I did some calling and discoverd that B-D has the smallest gauge lancet

on

>their Ultra-Fine II lacet. It is a 29 Gauge. I also Purchased a B-D

>adjustable penlet device and can get by with the #1 setting. I am in

no way

>associated with B-D.

I just got my first monitoring kit last week. The druggist told me it's

the least painful lancet of them all. It's SoftClix II and comes with

the AccuSoft Advantage kit. It has 11 settings and I'm using 1.5 -

virtually painless. I was pleasantly surprised.

Rosie

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In a message dated 2/16/99 5:00:22 AM Central Standard Time,

RSMYTH1000@... writes:

<< Stormy: I test 4 times a day (sometimes up to 6 times a day). I've been

takng blood for 9 years and my fingers STILL hurt! What I do is stick twice

per finger (and thumb) and rotate all 10 fingers. If you have trouble

getting

a drop of blood, run your fingers under hot water for a minute or two (my

doctors nurse told me this helped the blood to flow more easily). It works!

>>

Thanks for the info on the warm running water to get the blood flowing.

I found that it hurt so bad to take blood I had stopped doing it. It was

causing such anxiety that I would stand there trying to get the guts up to do

it. I found that by buying a new penlet device and using the finest guage

lancets I had no pain anymore. Now I take my readings regular.

I did some calling and discoverd that B-D has the smallest gauge lancet on

their Ultra-Fine II lacet. It is a 29 Gauge. I also Purchased a B-D

adjustable penlet device and can get by with the #1 setting. I am in no way

associated with B-D.

I just found that after trying several types of lancets and calling around

These work the best for me. The penlet that came with my Onetouch Profile was

pricking me too much.

I hope this helps others.

Andi

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Hi, Stormy, 700 is way too high; 28 is way too low. If your doctor hasn't

advised you about this it sounds like you need to see someone else who is

better informed about diabetes. Do this ASAP; too long at any of these counts

and you're asking for big trouble! Vicki

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Robin and Stormy and anyone else who's getting sore fingers: I test six times

a day and really never have sore fingers. I use B-D ultra-fine II lancets and

use fingers on one hand consecutively for one week then switch to other hand.

I've been doing this for over a year now. I'm a medical transcriptionist and

type for a living and believe me, I can't afford sore fingers, so believe me

when I say THIS WORKS! Vicki

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PS: I also use a pen device called an " Auto Lancet " (this is the brand name, I

think; at least that's what's printed on it). It has a dial that can be set

from 1 to 5; 1 is the lightest and it works just fine for me. Doesn't hardly

prick! Vicki

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Welcome Stormy,

So sorry you had to join us. Also very sorry the Dr.s took so long to

recognize your problems. After having gestational diabetes you would think

they would have tested you first thing. Hope you get good advise from now on.

The people on this list are all trying to learn also and are very helpful.

Please let me know if I can be of help to you.

Spillman

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thanks robin. i go to 2 drs. tomorrow and i will make sure that i tell

them. i will try the water and also the 2x per finger. i also bought this

stuff that someone else told me about " fingers " thanks again

Stormy

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>From: RSMYTH1000@...

>

>In a message dated 99-02-15 19:49:18 EST, you write:

>

><< . i have to test myself 4 times a

> day. my fingers get really sore do you have any suggestions? also

> sometimes my blood sugar goes up to 700. the dr says that i shouldn't be

> able to function. i feel a little funny but not bad. then at other times

> my level drops to 28. i am on meds but i still have problems. i am so

sick

> and tired of being sick and tired. >>

>

>Stormy: I test 4 times a day (sometimes up to 6 times a day). I've been

>takng blood for 9 years and my fingers STILL hurt! What I do is stick

twice

>per finger (and thumb) and rotate all 10 fingers. If you have trouble

getting

>a drop of blood, run your fingers under hot water for a minute or two (my

>doctors nurse told me this helped the blood to flow more easily). It

works!

>

>Blood sugars near 700 are dangerous to your health. You could go into a

coma

>and maybe die. You say you feel find but you can't go by your feelings.

>When you get a reading that high, call your doctor and have him decide what

>you need to do (go to the ER). For along time my blood ran over 500, which

>resulted in major damage to my body. I never " felt bad " with high blood

>readings.

>

>Your level dropping to 28 is way below the normal low of 70-60. Again you

>could go into shock and then into a coma. When you get that low drink a

coke

>or eat a candy bar. You need to get your sugar levels back up to above 70.

>Did you feel any type of reaction to the 28 low? I usually start shaking,

>dizziness, light headed, feel like I'm going to faint or pass out and I

have a

>stong hunger pain. Once I drink a coke it takes about 15-30 minutes to

start

>feeling better.

>

>Stormy, I know it is hard to be a diabetic. Everyday is a challenge. We

>sometime don't take our blood or we eat the wrong things or we skip our

meds

>or our exercise. . This is normal and I think everyone does it. However,

if

>you want to start feeling well you have to take control of your diabetes

and

>blood sugar levels. If you don't: Complications will start growing.

Eyes,

>heart, kidneys, memory loss, neuropathy in the legs, feet, hands and arms.

>This all culd lead to amputation of your limbs. Blindness and a heart

attack

>could also take place.

>

>Next time you go to your doctor tell him about your highs and lows. It

>appears from what you wrote that something else needs to be done to keep

your

>sugar levels in tight control. This could be a different diet, exercise,

>different oral medicatons and maybe even insulin. You can't do it

alone---you

>need your doctor fullly informed about your blood readings.

>

>Hope this helps alittle. When I feel sick I hug my 3 dogs and I don't feel

as

>bad. God Bless. --Robin

>

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Hi Ms Rosie

I also use the softclix II, only I use the #2 setting. I find it virtually

painless as well. It is the best one I've used so far.

Gail

Ms Rosie wrote:

>

>

> >From: TrlrTrukn@...

>

> >Thanks for the info on the warm running water to get the blood flowing.

>

> That helps for me too. I find also that I get more blood out of fingers

> on my left hand than on the right. Don't know if this is common.

>

> >I did some calling and discoverd that B-D has the smallest gauge lancet

> on

> >their Ultra-Fine II lacet. It is a 29 Gauge. I also Purchased a B-D

> >adjustable penlet device and can get by with the #1 setting. I am in

> no way

> >associated with B-D.

>

> I just got my first monitoring kit last week. The druggist told me it's

> the least painful lancet of them all. It's SoftClix II and comes with

> the AccuSoft Advantage kit. It has 11 settings and I'm using 1.5 -

> virtually painless. I was pleasantly surprised.

>

> Rosie

>

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Hi Stormy

My name is Gail. Like yourself I also had gestational diabetes with my three

children. On my third pregnancy I was in the hospital for 2 1/2 mths until my

son

was born. My BG's were so high I was put on insulin. After my son was born the

diabetes left. My doctor told me that give 5 or 10 years and it will return. He

was right, I was diagnosed with type II in June of last year. I was having some

problems long before that but was not tested. But my problems were small, for

example, I kept getting yeast infections that would not go away even with drugs,

tired a lot, no energy, I also experienced blurred vision, just small things.

But

I went back to my doctor and told him that I thought my diabetes was back. Sure

enough it was. When he did a test it was 27.8mmol/l. I was put in the hospital

right away and put on insulin. I am still on insulin twice a day. I keep my BG's

under good control and I have no serious problems. Thank God. I really wish you

well stormy, take care.

RSMYTH1000@... wrote:

> From: RSMYTH1000@...

>

> << Subj: diabetes

> Date: 99-02-15 09:26:14 EST

> From: lbecker03@... (Becker)

> Reply-to: diabetes_intonelist

> To: diabetes_intonelist

>

> Hello

> My name is Stormy (deb) I am 38 years old. I found out a year ago that I

> had Type 2 diabetes. I had had alot of problems for many years but the

> doctors kept telling me it was nothing. I had gestational diabetes when I was

> pregnant 13 years ago. To make a long story short. I had diabetes for a long

> time before being they found out. I have trouble with my kidneys and liver.

> I also have other problems that I am not sure if the diabetes has anything to

> do with it. I didn't know that diabetes could do so much to your body. Well

> that is enough for now. I hope I will learn alot from all of you.

> Stormy

>

> .Stormy: Welcome to the group! You'll learn alot here. Just ask your

> questions. I am a Type 2 turned into a Type 1. I like you went 5 years

> without doing anything or knowing about diabetes. I too have kidney disease.

> My kidneys are operationg at 25% right now. Kidney disease was found in 1994.

> I will be looking at atransplant or dialysis within the next year. I didn't

> know what out of control diabetes could do to you, either. Too late I found

> out my error and now I have ALL the complications associated with diabetes.

> We are not alone and there are many who will listen and understand. I am one

> of them. Welcome and God Bless. --Robin

>

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thanks. i had to call the dr. i am going for test tomorrow and have not

been able to eat anything because the stuff that i had to drink made me very

sick. plus my bl was at 34 and i could feel that i was in trouble. they

said that i could have some soup and a soda. i fell 200% better now. the

dr says we may have to change meds. we will see.

stormy

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>From: WHIMSY2@...

>

>Hi, Stormy, 700 is way too high; 28 is way too low. If your doctor hasn't

>advised you about this it sounds like you need to see someone else who is

>better informed about diabetes. Do this ASAP; too long at any of these

counts

>and you're asking for big trouble! Vicki

>

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thank you for your post. i went and got the lancets and some stuff called

" fingers " the lancets are great. much better.

Stormy

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>From: WHIMSY2@...

>

>Robin and Stormy and anyone else who's getting sore fingers: I test six

times

>a day and really never have sore fingers. I use B-D ultra-fine II lancets

and

>use fingers on one hand consecutively for one week then switch to other

hand.

>I've been doing this for over a year now. I'm a medical transcriptionist

and

>type for a living and believe me, I can't afford sore fingers, so believe

me

>when I say THIS WORKS! Vicki

>

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Gail Duffett wrote:

>

>

> Hi Stormy

>

> My name is Gail. Like yourself I also had gestational diabetes with my three

> children. On my third pregnancy I was in the hospital for 2 1/2 mths until my

son

> was born. My BG's were so high I was put on insulin. After my son was born the

> diabetes left. My doctor told me that give 5 or 10 years and it will return.

He

> was right, I was diagnosed with type II in June of last year, 10 years later.

I was

> having some problems long before that but was not tested. But my problems were

> small, for example, I kept getting yeast infections that would not go away

even

> with drugs, tired a lot, no energy, I can't read small print anymore, just

small

> things. But I went back to my doctor and told him that I thought my diabetes

was

> back. Sure enough it was. When he did a test it was 27.8mmol/l. I was put in

the

> hospital right away and put on insulin. I am still on insulin twice a day. I

keep

> my BG's under good control and I have no serious problems. Thank God. I really

wish

> you well stormy, take care.

>

> RSMYTH1000@... wrote:

>

> > From: RSMYTH1000@...

> >

> > << Subj: diabetes

> > Date: 99-02-15 09:26:14 EST

> > From: lbecker03@... (Becker)

> > Reply-to: diabetes_intonelist

> > To: diabetes_intonelist

> >

> > Hello

> > My name is Stormy (deb) I am 38 years old. I found out a year ago that

I

> > had Type 2 diabetes. I had had alot of problems for many years but the

> > doctors kept telling me it was nothing. I had gestational diabetes when I

was

> > pregnant 13 years ago. To make a long story short. I had diabetes for a

long

> > time before being they found out. I have trouble with my kidneys and liver.

> > I also have other problems that I am not sure if the diabetes has anything

to

> > do with it. I didn't know that diabetes could do so much to your body.

Well

> > that is enough for now. I hope I will learn alot from all of you.

> > Stormy

> >

> > .Stormy: Welcome to the group! You'll learn alot here. Just ask your

> > questions. I am a Type 2 turned into a Type 1. I like you went 5 years

> > without doing anything or knowing about diabetes. I too have kidney

disease.

> > My kidneys are operationg at 25% right now. Kidney disease was found in

1994.

> > I will be looking at atransplant or dialysis within the next year. I didn't

> > know what out of control diabetes could do to you, either. Too late I found

> > out my error and now I have ALL the complications associated with diabetes.

> > We are not alone and there are many who will listen and understand. I am

one

> > of them. Welcome and God Bless. --Robin

> >

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thanks gail, i am glad you wrote to me. some times i feel so alone but i

am finding there are more than i would like to know that have my same

problem. i wish we could all just get better and not have to worry. we

will have to keep reaching for the stars and hope and pray we all will

either get better or have an easier time dealing with this stuff.

Thanks again

Stormy

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>

>

>Hi Stormy

>

>My name is Gail. Like yourself I also had gestational diabetes with my

three

>children. On my third pregnancy I was in the hospital for 2 1/2 mths until

my son

>was born. My BG's were so high I was put on insulin. After my son was born

the

>diabetes left. My doctor told me that give 5 or 10 years and it will

return. He

>was right, I was diagnosed with type II in June of last year. I was having

some

>problems long before that but was not tested. But my problems were small,

for

>example, I kept getting yeast infections that would not go away even with

drugs,

>tired a lot, no energy, I also experienced blurred vision, just small

things. But

>I went back to my doctor and told him that I thought my diabetes was back.

Sure

>enough it was. When he did a test it was 27.8mmol/l. I was put in the

hospital

>right away and put on insulin. I am still on insulin twice a day. I keep my

BG's

>under good control and I have no serious problems. Thank God. I really wish

you

>well stormy, take care.

>

>RSMYTH1000@... wrote:

>

>> From: RSMYTH1000@...

>>

>> << Subj: diabetes

>> Date: 99-02-15 09:26:14 EST

>> From: lbecker03@... (Becker)

>> Reply-to: diabetes_intonelist

>> To: diabetes_intonelist

>>

>> Hello

>> My name is Stormy (deb) I am 38 years old. I found out a year ago

that I

>> had Type 2 diabetes. I had had alot of problems for many years but the

>> doctors kept telling me it was nothing. I had gestational diabetes when

I was

>> pregnant 13 years ago. To make a long story short. I had diabetes for a

long

>> time before being they found out. I have trouble with my kidneys and

liver.

>> I also have other problems that I am not sure if the diabetes has

anything to

>> do with it. I didn't know that diabetes could do so much to your body.

Well

>> that is enough for now. I hope I will learn alot from all of you.

>> Stormy

>>

>> .Stormy: Welcome to the group! You'll learn alot here. Just ask your

>> questions. I am a Type 2 turned into a Type 1. I like you went 5 years

>> without doing anything or knowing about diabetes. I too have kidney

disease.

>> My kidneys are operationg at 25% right now. Kidney disease was found in

1994.

>> I will be looking at atransplant or dialysis within the next year. I

didn't

>> know what out of control diabetes could do to you, either. Too late I

found

>> out my error and now I have ALL the complications associated with

diabetes.

>> We are not alone and there are many who will listen and understand. I am

one

>> of them. Welcome and God Bless. --Robin

>>

>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>

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>

> I am in

>the process of trying to get the dr.'s to help me get my stomach

stapled.

>Hoping that will help all the way around.

Stormy, PLEASE do a LOT of research on this before going ahead. I've

heard some pretty bad things about weight-loss surgery. If you're

interested in joining the " fat diabetics " list, let me know and I'll

give you the info - diabetes *can* be managed without weight loss!

Rosie

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>

>What is a brittle DM? I haven't heard about that.

>Stormy

I've been told there is no such thing as a " brittle diabetic " . You

either are diabetic or not. This comes from a friend's endocrinologist.

Rosie

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Stormy.

I quite agree with Susie!!!

If readings and technique are OK, and all other factors may be excluded,

Stormy, you should be monitored and treated carefully by specialists

as this might then be a " brittle " DM, which certainly then need to better

controlled.

Oluf

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Hold a minute, Susie:

I think you are mixing something up here concerning Stormy.

She might be a case of " brittle " DM. Diabetes Insipidus is something

quite different! - Yes, docs latin is often confusing.

Diabetes means: Traverse

Mellitus means: Sweet Diabetes Mellitus is our topic.

Diabetes Insipidus is a condition concerning the kidneys, where the

" antidiuretic hormone " is missing.

As consequense your kidneys don't reabsorbe the water filtert, you pea " like

hell " constantly till you are

quite dehydrated, if not treated. Dangerous condition. But it has nothing to

do with our " diabetes " .

Oluf

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Stormy, you wrote:

<< ... if i don't fit the bill for diabetes then i don't know what is wrong

with me. i will ask my dr again

maybe he was wrong. i am not sure what you were trying to tell me. i just

know that it hurt. >>

Stormy, I surely didn't mean to hurt you. I am just a truck driver who was

posting at 4-5 am after driving all night. The line between type 1 and type

2 is not clearly defined, as far as I can tell. Many diabetics fall into the

" somewhere in between " range. It is a shame that your last doctor didn't

identify your problems sooner, but your task now is to normalize your blood

glucose readings. In your testing so far, are you coming up with a good list

of the foods which give you the most trouble? We're all somewhat different,

so that is the reason for frequent testing, especially at first - to figure

out what works best for each one of us. In general, the " white stuff " seems

to present the biggest problems for diabetics. I'm no good at fussing over

things, and I also have no willpower, so I just study the carbohydrate

content on the nutritional labels and don't bring into the house anything

that is moderate-to-high in carbohydrates.

Eating at regular times and eating several mini-meals rather than a few

large ones and minimizing carbohydrate intake and increasing soluble and

insoluble fiber intake and increasing your water consumption and taking

supplements and exercising and weight loss may all help. (Although I have no

idea if you or others need to lose weight ... that's just general info,

because about 95 percent of type 2's are obese.)

Some diabetics experience pancreas cell burnout from being placed on a class

of drugs called sulfonylureas (which were, until recently, the only

medications available for type 2 diabetics). Other diabetics lose pancreas

function naturally, after several years of experiencing glucose spikes, with

the result that their pancreas works overtime to churn out insulin to try to

normalize your levels. I hope that you and your doctor do whatever is necess

ary to get your readings into normal range as soon as possible - and that

may include placing you on insulin. There are tests such as C-peptide that

can help determine your insulin output.

Susie

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Oluf nson writes:

<< Stormy ... might be a case of " brittle " DM. Diabetes Insipidus is

something quite different! ... >>

I was writing not recalling Stormy's earlier post, Oluf. I see from her

other comments that it was another doctor who claimed her glucose tolerance

test was normal, and that test was four years ago. She has moved and has a

new doctor now, who was sent her to a specialist. <sigh of relief ... > So I

am hopeful Sormy will begin to see marked improvement in her glucose levels.

In that post mentioning diseases which mimic diabetes (including diabetes

insipidus), I guess it looked like I was suggesting that is what Stormy has.

I think Stormy is a type 2 diabetic, moving into type 1 status. If I

understand Stormy's scenario (and I probably don't, being on the road so

much), she is getting readings ranging from 28 to 700, even with taking two

different kinds of pills and testing herself four times a day. Whatever any

diabetic's treatment plan is, with those numbers, the plan isn't working and

I am hoping Stormy and her new specialist can come up with something very

soon that better addresses her dangerously high and low readings. (I also

think that Stormy's former doctor should have his fingers stomped on for

neglecting her and her very serious health problems for so long.)

Stormy, I don't know if this will feel like it has any relevance to the

ordeal you have been going through for years, but having a lot of

unexplained chronic symptoms has caused long-term depression for many of us

who went undiagnosed for years. Also, wildly fluctuating blood glucose

levels can keep your emotions on a roller-coaster ride. A doctor (just prior

to diagnosis) suggested I was manic-depressive, I recall. It is entirely

possible that your stormy emotional state as well as many physical

complications may subside when you normalize your glucose levels.

Susie

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In a message dated 99-02-19 14:35:53 EST, you write:

<< I am in the process of trying to get the dr.'s to help me get my stomach

stapled. >>

Stormy: You indeed have suffered alot. Every time I think my problems are so

hard to bear, I find someone else with more problems than me. I'm responding

to you to give you some information. My wife was only 100 lbs over weight.

She had tried EVERY diet made. She would lose her weight (drop from 250 to

145) and then it would start coming back on. Finally she went to a doctor and

asked for a stomach staple. She was told the stomach would be fixed so it

would only hold 3 ozs. The operation was a success but the results were bad.

First of all she couldn't keep any thing down. She started carrying a glass

around with her so she could throw up at any time. Any meat would not digest

and most usually food (other than those being muched up by a blender) would

result in the food being 'caught' in the top of her stomach, which blocked any

more food going in. This caused great pain--enough to go to the ER for

assistence. The blockage could only be relieved by throwing up or going back

into the hospital for a scope (down the throat) to see what was wrong. She

lost weight because she simply couldn't eat or keep food in her stomach. She

finally got tired of the almost daily (hourly) throwing up and not to be able

to hold anything down, that she went back in and have the surgery reversed. I

said all of that to let you know of our experience. Just make sure you know

what your getting into. Have the doctor explain it in detail to you. Find

out how many of these type of surgeries he has done. I wish you the very

best. God Bless. --Robin

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>Stormy, I surely didn't mean to hurt you. I am just a truck driver who was

>posting at 4-5 am after driving all night. The line between type 1 and type

>2 is not clearly defined, as far as I can tell. Many diabetics fall into

the

> " somewhere in between " range.

>

>Susie,

I am also sorry for going off on you. I have been having trouble with my

in-laws about my diabetes and we had just had a fight so I took it out on

you. Please forgive me. I am always having to defend myself so I went on

the defensive.

The whole story. I have many things going on with me at the same time.

Since I was 6 years old I have suffered from IBS. When I was 9 I started

having problems with PTSD. At 15 I found out that I am also a

manic-depressive with panic-anxiety add. I didn't understand why I had all

of these problems. I didn't start getting large until I was 19. I started

getting bigger and bigger. So I went back to my shrink (easier to spell)

and she thought it was from all the abuse that I had suffered and the rape I

had gone through. She said I was just building a wall of fat to protect

myself. Then 2 weeks before I got married I found out that I was adopted.

That was a real shocker. Any way in 1997 I found my biological father and

in his family obesity runs all through. So does diabetes, mental problems,

and some digestive problems. So I thought ok maybe this is part of the

reason. Then in 1998 I found my biological mother. Obesity runs on that

side of the family also. My mom was diabetic and had to have dyalisis. She

lost the lower part of her leg in Oct. 98 then in Dec 98 she lost that

whole leg. Dec 13 1998 she died from diabetes complications. In 1997 I

weighed a whopping 459 pounds. Now I weigh in at 352.1 pounds. I am in

the process of trying to get the dr.'s to help me get my stomach stapled.

Hoping that will help all the way around. Just had to have test on

intestines because they think that they found a mass. So I have been under

alot of stress lately. NO EXCUSE for me to be rude to you.

I have 3 kids that I have checked every 6 months for diabetes because I do

not want them to have to go through what I have.

Susie, again I apologize for the way I let loose on you. I know that you

were only trying to help. I also don't think that I explained myself very

well. You keep on trucking. I have always wanted to drive a truck but I

don't think I could.

Stormy

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What is a brittle DM? I haven't heard about that.

Stormy

PS I am so sorry for the post this morning. I was in a very defensive mood.

I will try to be more calm when I post. What I did was totally uncalled

for.

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>From: Metaforum-sson@... (OLUF JOHNSSON)

>

>Stormy.

>

>I quite agree with Susie!!!

>If readings and technique are OK, and all other factors may be excluded,

>Stormy, you should be monitored and treated carefully by specialists

>as this might then be a " brittle " DM, which certainly then need to better

>controlled.

>

>Oluf

>

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