Re: (unknown)

[Guest guest]

Phyllis,

I am so sorry for your loss. You are in my thoughts and prayers. I know there

isn't much I can say to help with your grief right now, but please try to find

comfort in knowing that we are all here to support you.

MaC

Subject: (unknown)

To: " #cirrhosis " <livercirrhosissupport >

Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 12:02 AM

 

My Husband Phil passed away today @ the age of 66.  His liver

finally gave out and then everything else followed.  I took him to er yesterday

around noon, they had him in er 12 hrs before the could stablize his BP.

Her then went into a medical floor while they ran tests to determine what was

causing his pain in stomach.  His BP started to fall again, so he was then

transferred to ICU and he never made it home from there.  Thank you all for your

support , your prayers and your friendship.  I never would have survived

this ordeal without this amazing group of people..I want to thank you ALL, from

the bottom of my heart.  Tough days ahead..

Keep the faith and I will try to do the same.

Much love, Phyllis

[Guest guest]

Phyllis, my heart is broken for you.  I can't stop crying because I know so well

the numbed state of mind you're in right now.  I am so very sorry for your

loss.  Please know I am praying for you and I am here anytime, day or night, if

you need me.  My home phone is .  Call collect ANYTIME and I really

mean that.  If you just need someone to listen to your memories or listen as you

cry, I am here.  If you can't reach my home number, call my cell at

.  The days ahead won't be easy and the pain will feel unbearable. 

Lean on your family and your faith.  I love you dear Phyllis.  Please let me

help you if I can.

 

Warm Hugs...........

 

Di

http://auntdisexperimentallife.blogspot.com/

________________________________

To: #cirrhosis <livercirrhosissupport >

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:02:14 AM

Subject: (unknown)

 

My Husband Phil passed away today @ the age of 66.  His liver finally gave out

and then everything else followed.  I took him to er yesterday around noon, they

had him in er 12 hrs before the could stablize his BP.

Her then went into a medical floor while they ran tests to determine what was

causing his pain in stomach.  His BP started to fall again, so he was then

transferred to ICU and he never made it home from there.  Thank you all for your

support , your prayers and your friendship.  I never would have survived

this ordeal without this amazing group of people..I want to thank you ALL, from

the bottom of my heart.  Tough days ahead..

Keep the faith and I will try to do the same.

Much love, Phyllis

[Guest guest]

Phyllis,

 I'm so sorry for your loss. God bless you honey.

 love,

linda tilly

Subject: (unknown)

To: " #cirrhosis " <livercirrhosissupport >

Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 7:02 AM

 

My Husband Phil passed away today @ the age of 66.  His liver finally gave out

and then everything else followed.  I took him to er yesterday around noon, they

had him in er 12 hrs before the could stablize his BP.

Her then went into a medical floor while they ran tests to determine what was

causing his pain in stomach.  His BP started to fall again, so he was then

transferred to ICU and he never made it home from there.  Thank you all for your

support , your prayers and your friendship.  I never would have survived

this ordeal without this amazing group of people..I want to thank you ALL, from

the bottom of my heart.  Tough days ahead..

Keep the faith and I will try to do the same.

Much love, Phyllis

[Guest guest]

Phyllis i am so very sad to hear this. my heart reaches out to you. I can not

even think of having to endure this possibility. Please know that we are and

will always be here for you.  much love and prayers sandra

________________________________

To: #cirrhosis <livercirrhosissupport >

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:02:14 AM

Subject: (unknown)

 

My Husband Phil passed away today @ the age of 66.  His liver finally gave out

and then everything else followed.  I took him to er yesterday around noon, they

had him in er 12 hrs before the could stablize his BP.

Her then went into a medical floor while they ran tests to determine what was

causing his pain in stomach.  His BP started to fall again, so he was then

transferred to ICU and he never made it home from there.  Thank you all for your

support , your prayers and your friendship.  I never would have survived

this ordeal without this amazing group of people..I want to thank you ALL, from

the bottom of my heart.  Tough days ahead..

Keep the faith and I will try to do the same.

Much love, Phyllis

[Guest guest]

I'm so sorry Phyllis.

Roni

> My Husband Phil passed away today @ the age of 66. His liver

> finally gave out and then everything else followed. I took him to

> er yesterday around noon, they had him in er 12 hrs before the could

> stablize his BP.

> Her then went into a medical floor while they ran tests to determine

> what was causing his pain in stomach. His BP started to fall again,

> so he was then transferred to ICU and he never made it home from

> there. Thank you all for your support , your prayers and your

> friendship. I never would have survived this ordeal without this

> amazing group of people..I want to thank you ALL, from the bottom of

> my heart. Tough days ahead..

> Keep the faith and I will try to do the same.

> Much love, Phyllis

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am so sorry Phyllis.  At least hisd suffering is over.  Now you start the

journey of grief.  peace and comfort, 

 Dave

________________________________

To: #cirrhosis <livercirrhosissupport >

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:02:14 AM

Subject: (unknown)

 

My Husband Phil passed away today @ the age of 66.  His liver finally gave out

and then everything else followed.  I took him to er yesterday around noon, they

had him in er 12 hrs before the could stablize his BP.

Her then went into a medical floor while they ran tests to determine what was

causing his pain in stomach.  His BP started to fall again, so he was then

transferred to ICU and he never made it home from there.  Thank you all for your

support , your prayers and your friendship.  I never would have survived

this ordeal without this amazing group of people..I want to thank you ALL, from

the bottom of my heart.  Tough days ahead..

Keep the faith and I will try to do the same.

Much love, Phyllis

[Guest guest]

" Guess it shows you the power of alcoholism. "

 

I would say that is true, Dave.  I tend to feel sad for him more than angry. 

Going through transplant surgery is no walk in the park.  To have wanted to live

badly enough to go through that, yet fall prey to the disease of alcoholism yet

again is so sad. My prayers are with him.

 

Warm Hugs...........

 

Di

http://auntdisexperimentallife.blogspot.com/

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:54:09 AM

Subject: (unknown)

 

I know a guy that got a new liver 2 yrs. ago, and quickly begin drinking

alcohol, again.  He is now in the hospital with liver failure, and kidney

failure.  I have heard he would go to VFW halls and drink in front of all like

he had before his transplant.  I would say he must have snowed the liver

transplant team pretty good at the get go.  He owns a big insurance agency. 

Wonder if that played a roll in his receiving a liver?  What a terrible waist of

a liver.  Someone deservant and respectful of the gift should have recieved it. 

I have a hard time feeling bad for this guy.  Guess it shows you the power of

alcoholism.

 Dave

[Guest guest]

Phyllis,

 

My love and prayers are with you and your family.   ((((((((Hug)))))))))))

Thanks be to God for he creates our tomorrows Love, Lyncia

 

 

Subject: Re: (unknown)

To: livercirrhosissupport

Date: Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 5:36 AM

 

Phyllis i am so very sad to hear this. my heart reaches out to you. I can not

even think of having to endure this possibility. Please know that we are and

will always be here for you.  much love and prayers sandra

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Phyllis Delgado <pdelgado354@ yahoo.com>

To: #cirrhosis <livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com>

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:02:14 AM

Subject: (unknown)

 

My Husband Phil passed away today @ the age of 66.  His liver finally gave out

and then everything else followed.  I took him to er yesterday around noon, they

had him in er 12 hrs before the could stablize his BP.

Her then went into a medical floor while they ran tests to determine what was

causing his pain in stomach.  His BP started to fall again, so he was then

transferred to ICU and he never made it home from there.  Thank you all for your

support , your prayers and your friendship.  I never would have survived

this ordeal without this amazing group of people..I want to thank you ALL, from

the bottom of my heart.  Tough days ahead..

Keep the faith and I will try to do the same.

Much love, Phyllis

[Guest guest]

dear phyliss

my heart and prayers are with you, i know how it feel to lose someone so

close, i lost my brother 2 years ago, i miss him so much, i dont have no one

to fuss with and talk to listen, we never no how much you love someone until

they are gone. i am bouncing back, but everyday i find myself dailing his

number. lean on your faith keep praying because like it been said so many

time, god is the only one with the right answer, phyliss i feel joy for you

because you got another family here, i am sure that what ever you ask us to

do for you in your hour of need we will. please feel free to write me and if

you need someone to talk to, i am here also just holla, please, alwys,

in chicago

[Guest guest]

Yeah, you are so right, Diane.  I, of all people, can definitely empathise with

the poor soul.  The more I think about it, the more I feel really bad for him. 

to quick to judge instead of understand at times.  Peace and comfort.. 

 Dave

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 10:58:47 AM

Subject: Re: (unknown)

 

" Guess it shows you the power of alcoholism. "

 

I would say that is true, Dave.  I tend to feel sad for him more than angry. 

Going through transplant surgery is no walk in the park.  To have wanted to live

badly enough to go through that, yet fall prey to the disease of alcoholism yet

again is so sad. My prayers are with him.

 

Warm Hugs........ ...

 

Di

http://auntdisexper imentallife. blogspot. com/

____________ _________ _________ __

From: dave dodds <daveliltoeyahoo (DOT) com>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 9:54:09 AM

Subject: (unknown)

 

I know a guy that got a new liver 2 yrs. ago, and quickly begin drinking

alcohol, again.  He is now in the hospital with liver failure, and kidney

failure.  I have heard he would go to VFW halls and drink in front of all like

he had before his transplant.  I would say he must have snowed the liver

transplant team pretty good at the get go.  He owns a big insurance agency. 

Wonder if that played a roll in his receiving a liver?  What a terrible waist of

a liver.  Someone deservant and respectful of the gift should have recieved it. 

I have a hard time feeling bad for this guy.  Guess it shows you the power of

alcoholism.

 Dave

[Guest guest]

This is also true.  I agree with you and I agree with Diane.  He is a jerk for

sure for wasting a liver.  Then again he may have convinced hisself he could

quit6.  Given it was a very short time after the transplant, when he was seen

out drinking, I tend to more believe he thought a new liver would stand up to

the alcohol.  Knowing a little about him, he may have snowed the doc's and never

had quit totally.  Just makes me so sad to think some lil' angel or deservable

adult could have used it.  Peace and comfort Bob.

 Dave

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:12:35 PM

Subject: Re: (unknown)

 

What a selfish jerk. Donated livers are in short supply, and it is so much

better to just be honest and drink if you are going to drink, then die. Maybe

the guy believed he could cheat death? Or maybe he thought a transplanted liver

would stand up to drinking. This is the second story I have heard about an

alcoholic relapsing after getting a liver transplant. I have also heard of two

people who were given transplants without even so much as a promise to quit by

the recipient. I often wonder how they are doing now...

One was a lady who was in a coma because of encephalopathy, and her daughter had

to give permission to the surgical team, who knew, or maybe they didn't about

the woman's drinking being the cause of her liver failure. The other was recent

and on this forum. The latter one seemed to at least want to try to stay sober.

Neither had done any kind of treatment, AA or anything. There is sure a lot of

disparity in the various programs. The guy you describe succeeded only in

delaying his demise by costing insurance a ton of cash, and wasting , like you

say, Dave, a good liver which ought to have been given to someone else. But when

it comes to this crazy disease, the more I think I know, the more I realize that

no one one knows. No one.

long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer

____________ _________ _________ __

From: dave dodds <daveliltoeyahoo (DOT) com>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:54:09 AM

Subject: (unknown)

I know a guy that got a new liver 2 yrs. ago, and quickly begin drinking

alcohol, again. He is now in the hospital with liver failure, and kidney

failure. I have heard he would go to VFW halls and drink in front of all like he

had before his transplant. I would say he must have snowed the liver transplant

team pretty good at the get go. He owns a big insurance agency. Wonder if that

played a roll in his receiving a liver? What a terrible waist of a liver.

Someone deservant and respectful of the gift should have recieved it. I have a

hard time feeling bad for this guy. Guess it shows you the power of alcoholism.

Dave

[Guest guest]

We started the home infusion of desferal @ home-it was intended to be an 8hr

treatment 4x a week.  The order came in @ 12hr infusion 4x a week. I injected

him every other day. He started slowly deteriorating when treatment began, first

an inability to eat.  Next day that he didn't get the treatment he was fine,

same old Phil.  That was the first week, by the second week the changes were

more dramatic, mental confusion, vomiting, lack of appetite, simple tasks were

too much for him.  I called Dr's office,and told them I was discontinuing

treatment as he was becoming a Zombie.  They  sent him for labs and then called

back on Thursday telling us to increase lactolose to 2-3 times a day and that

would eliminate most of his problems, but to continue with treatment program. 

We would see a change in 2 days. I resisted and they insisted.  So I again

infusion him on Friday. Saturday he said he didn't feel good, so I gave him

ensure and pedialyte and

he seemed to tolerate it well...no vomiting,   However, he flooded the bathroom

as he didn't know how to turn off water, and in attempting to shut he broke

faucet.  I assured him it was fine and I also had difficulty with faucet (not

true) .  Sunday vomiting again, not much as he hadn't eaten much, called Dr's

office no reurn call came,  Phil said " wait til Monday I'm feeling better and we

will see dr then " He seemed better so I agreed, but I wasn't scheduled to infuse

until Monday and Dr visit was on Tuesday.  I called hemotologist Dr Monday

morning and told voice message system that I was taking him to er, and the rest

is history.

In my heart I beleive having the infusion robbed me of my husband.  He was fine

two weeks ago and once infusion started he slowly started to deteriorate. 

 I wish I had followed my heart and stopped after the first week, he would still

be here.  I thank God that he never suffered and he wasn't depressed, he trusted

me and the Dr's.  I have prayed all along that he not suffer and God spared him

of that ugliness.  So I accept God's wishes, thru my tears.  He was a good man

and now he is my guardian angel.  I beleive this to be true.

My daughter created a blog spot and tribute to her father.  check it out I will

send her email to me to the group so anyone can view if they so desire.  I am

weak in computer skills so this is the only way I can think of to forward. 

Thank you all for your blessings and concern for us.

Peace.

Phyllis

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:54:14 PM

Subject: Re: (unknown)

 

I cannot believe my eyes. I am so sorry. I was not expecting this. I am sure you

weren't either. I am so so sorry, Phyllis. Please let your family know that

Sharon and I are praying for them and you.

We are truly sorry for your loss.

Love, your friend, Bobby Aragon

long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Phyllis Delgado <pdelgado354@ yahoo.com>

To: #cirrhosis <livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com>

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:02:14 AM

Subject: (unknown)

My Husband Phil passed away today @ the age of 66. His liver finally gave out

and then everything else followed. I took him to er yesterday around noon, they

had him in er 12 hrs before the could stablize his BP.

Her then went into a medical floor while they ran tests to determine what was

causing his pain in stomach. His BP started to fall again, so he was then

transferred to ICU and he never made it home from there. Thank you all for your

support , your prayers and your friendship. I never would have survived this

ordeal without this amazing group of people..I want to thank you ALL, from the

bottom of my heart. Tough days ahead..

Keep the faith and I will try to do the same.

Much love, Phyllis

[Guest guest]

Dearest Phyllis, I so understand where you are and what you're feeling right

now.  I am so thankful you have your daughter to help you through this.  Yes,

Phil is with our Lord now and is indeed watching over you.  I believe that as

well.  I talk to Terry every day of my life, many times a day.  And, there have

been episodes when I know he was responding to me.  Maybe that sound crazy to

some, but I've talked to my doctor about this and he assures me I am not crazy!

I would very much like to see the blog your daughter created.  I am so thankful

Phil did not suffer and knew that he could trust you and his doctors to take

care of him.  You gave him your very best; please don't beat yourself up with

too much second thinking about things that have already happened.  Phil loved

you with his whole heart and you love him.  Your lifetime of memories attest to

that.  Nothing can ever change that love now, it is safe in eternity, as is

Phil.

My heart and my prayers are with you Phyllis.  May the Lord give you strength

and comfort for the days ahead.

 

Warm Hugs...........

 

Di

http://auntdisexperimentallife.blogspot.com/

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:10:27 PM

Subject: Re: (unknown)

 

We started the home infusion of desferal @ home-it was intended to be an 8hr

treatment 4x a week.  The order came in @ 12hr infusion 4x a week. I injected

him every other day. He started slowly deteriorating when treatment began, first

an inability to eat.  Next day that he didn't get the treatment he was fine,

same old Phil.  That was the first week, by the second week the changes were

more dramatic, mental confusion, vomiting, lack of appetite, simple tasks were

too much for him.  I called Dr's office,and told them I was discontinuing

treatment as he was becoming a Zombie.  They  sent him for labs and then called

back on Thursday telling us to increase lactolose to 2-3 times a day and that

would eliminate most of his problems, but to continue with treatment program. 

We would see a change in 2 days. I resisted and they insisted.  So I again

infusion him on Friday. Saturday he said he didn't feel good, so I gave him

ensure and pedialyte and

he seemed to tolerate it well...no vomiting,   However, he flooded the bathroom

as he didn't know how to turn off water, and in attempting to shut he broke

faucet.  I assured him it was fine and I also had difficulty with faucet (not

true) .  Sunday vomiting again, not much as he hadn't eaten much, called Dr's

office no reurn call came,  Phil said " wait til Monday I'm feeling better and we

will see dr then " He seemed better so I agreed, but I wasn't scheduled to infuse

until Monday and Dr visit was on Tuesday.  I called hemotologist Dr Monday

morning and told voice message system that I was taking him to er, and the rest

is history.

In my heart I beleive having the infusion robbed me of my husband.  He was fine

two weeks ago and once infusion started he slowly started to deteriorate. 

 I wish I had followed my heart and stopped after the first week, he would still

be here.  I thank God that he never suffered and he wasn't depressed, he trusted

me and the Dr's.  I have prayed all along that he not suffer and God spared him

of that ugliness.  So I accept God's wishes, thru my tears.  He was a good man

and now he is my guardian angel.  I beleive this to be true.

My daughter created a blog spot and tribute to her father.  check it out I will

send her email to me to the group so anyone can view if they so desire.  I am

weak in computer skills so this is the only way I can think of to forward. 

Thank you all for your blessings and concern for us.

Peace.

Phyllis

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Bob Aragon <robwalkingeagle@ yahoo.com>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:54:14 PM

Subject: Re: (unknown)

 

I cannot believe my eyes. I am so sorry. I was not expecting this. I am sure you

weren't either. I am so so sorry, Phyllis. Please let your family know that

Sharon and I are praying for them and you.

We are truly sorry for your loss.

Love, your friend, Bobby Aragon

long life, old age, everything good-Apache prayer

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Phyllis Delgado <pdelgado354@ yahoo.com>

To: #cirrhosis <livercirrhosissupp o rtyahoogroups (DOT) com>

Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:02:14 AM

Subject: (unknown)

My Husband Phil passed away today @ the age of 66. His liver finally gave out

and then everything else followed. I took him to er yesterday around noon, they

had him in er 12 hrs before the could stablize his BP.

Her then went into a medical floor while they ran tests to determine what was

causing his pain in stomach. His BP started to fall again, so he was then

transferred to ICU and he never made it home from there. Thank you all for your

support , your prayers and your friendship. I never would have survived this

ordeal without this amazing group of people..I want to thank you ALL, from the

bottom of my heart. Tough days ahead..

Keep the faith and I will try to do the same.

Much love, Phyllis

[Guest guest]

Dave,

I wish that I could comfort you more ............ you need a big

(((((((((((((hug))))))))))))).  We are here for you when needed.

 

 Love, Lyncia

 

 

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 10:09:22 AM

Subject: (unknown)

 

I am sorry Debbie, that you are having this conflict with your daughter.  I'm

sure your precious little 2 yr. old grand baby leaving is particularly

difficult.  It seems too often be a common thread, this conflict between mothers

and daughters.  My daughter just phoned me to tell me her mother had been

diagnosed with cirrhosis. My baby girl, now 30 with a whirlwind sweet two year

old boy, was our only child.  When she was 4, I gained custody of her.  We have

a great relationship, whereas her relationship with her mom has been torturous

at best.  But she loves her mother, and even though we both knew her mother had

liver problems, she was quite upset.  My X and self rarely talk.  She is

remarried, and I remarried for a while.  She still drinks along with assorted

other liver unfriendly items.  Knowledge of Hep C didn't slow her down.  Maybe

cirrhosis will.  Makes me feel so bad that my child had to deal with our

stupidity in her younger

years, and is still having to deal with this cirrhosis all around her.  Her lil'

guy could easily loose both his grandparents at a very young age.  But I have

already kicked myself really hard numerous times, and am working on getting over

that.  It is so true that addiction is a family disease, and so is this

disease.   Just rambling.  Got things I need to be doing.  Peace and comfort to

you all,       

 Dave

[Guest guest]

Thank you Lyncia, I could use one.  After I wrote earlier the wife of my best

buddy since we were 2 yrs. old called.  I have been kind of a secondary

caregiver for him now 2 yrs.  He is battling cancer, and the hospice nurse says

he will likely have maybe a month left.  He is becoming very

mentally disoriented now, and she says it will only get worse.  He is not to be

alone, so while she is working I will be there.  Quite depressing watching your

best friend inch closer and closer to death.

 Dave

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 2:19:17 PM

Subject: Re: (unknown)

 

Dave,

I wish that I could comfort you more ........ .... you need a big ((((((((((((

(hug))))) )))))))).  We are here for you when needed.

 

 Love, Lyncia

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

From: dave dodds <daveliltoeyahoo (DOT) com>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 10:09:22 AM

Subject: (unknown)

 

I am sorry Debbie, that you are having this conflict with your daughter.  I'm

sure your precious little 2 yr. old grand baby leaving is particularly

difficult.  It seems too often be a common thread, this conflict between mothers

and daughters.  My daughter just phoned me to tell me her mother had been

diagnosed with cirrhosis. My baby girl, now 30 with a whirlwind sweet two year

old boy, was our only child.  When she was 4, I gained custody of her.  We have

a great relationship, whereas her relationship with her mom has been torturous

at best.  But she loves her mother, and even though we both knew her mother had

liver problems, she was quite upset.  My X and self rarely talk.  She is

remarried, and I remarried for a while.  She still drinks along with assorted

other liver unfriendly items.  Knowledge of Hep C didn't slow her down.  Maybe

cirrhosis will.  Makes me feel so bad that my child had to deal with our

stupidity in her younger

years, and is still having to deal with this cirrhosis all around her.  Her lil'

guy could easily loose both his grandparents at a very young age.  But I have

already kicked myself really hard numerous times, and am working on getting over

that.  It is so true that addiction is a family disease, and so is this

disease.   Just rambling.  Got things I need to be doing.  Peace and comfort to

you all,       

 Dave

[Guest guest]

Dave, words just can't tell you how sorry I am for you and your buddy. I know

that's hard. A friend of mine died a yr. ago from cirrhosis/Hep C.I didn't know

she had it and she didn't know I had it. We had been friends for over 50 yrs.

but had grown apart. She still lived a life of alcohol and drugs and even though

I hadn't spoken to her for a couple of years it tore me down to the core. A

friend like that...well you know there is just no way to explain the loss.

You're a good man and the people in your life ( including this group) are

blessed to have you... wishes for peace to you...~~~Debbie

>

> Thank you Lyncia, I could use one.  After I wrote earlier the wife of my best

buddy since we were 2 yrs. old called.  I have been kind of a secondary

caregiver for him now 2 yrs.  He is battling cancer, and the hospice nurse says

he will likely have maybe a month left.  He is becoming very

mentally disoriented now, and she says it will only get worse.  He is not to be

alone, so while she is working I will be there.  Quite depressing watching your

best friend inch closer and closer to death.

>  Dave

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 2:19:17 PM

> Subject: Re: (unknown)

>

>  

> Dave,

>

> I wish that I could comfort you more ........ .... you need a big ((((((((((((

(hug))))) )))))))).  We are here for you when needed.

>  

>  Love, Lyncia

>  

>  

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: dave dodds <daveliltoeyahoo (DOT) com>

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 10:09:22 AM

> Subject: (unknown)

>

>  

> I am sorry Debbie, that you are having this conflict with your daughter.  I'm

sure your precious little 2 yr. old grand baby leaving is particularly

difficult.  It seems too often be a common thread, this conflict between mothers

and daughters.  My daughter just phoned me to tell me her mother had been

diagnosed with cirrhosis. My baby girl, now 30 with a whirlwind sweet two year

old boy, was our only child.  When she was 4, I gained custody of her.  We have

a great relationship, whereas her relationship with her mom has been torturous

at best.  But she loves her mother, and even though we both knew her mother had

liver problems, she was quite upset.  My X and self rarely talk.  She is

remarried, and I remarried for a while.  She still drinks along with assorted

other liver unfriendly items.  Knowledge of Hep C didn't slow her down.  Maybe

cirrhosis will.  Makes me feel so bad that my child had to deal with our

stupidity in her younger

> years, and is still having to deal with this cirrhosis all around her.  Her

lil' guy could easily loose both his grandparents at a very young age.  But I

have already kicked myself really hard numerous times, and am working on getting

over that.  It is so true that addiction is a family disease, and so is this

disease.   Just rambling.  Got things I need to be doing.  Peace and comfort to

you all,       

>  Dave

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dave, I am so sorry.  Yes, it is very difficult to watch your loved one dying. 

Please know you and your friend are in my thoughts and prayers.

 

Warm Hugs...........

 

Di

http://auntdisexperimentallife.blogspot.com/

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2009 2:54:59 PM

Subject: Re: (unknown)

 

Thank you Lyncia, I could use one.  After I wrote earlier the wife of my best

buddy since we were 2 yrs. old called.  I have been kind of a secondary

caregiver for him now 2 yrs.  He is battling cancer, and the hospice nurse says

he will likely have maybe a month left.  He is becoming very

mentally disoriented now, and she says it will only get worse.  He is not to be

alone, so while she is working I will be there.  Quite depressing watching your

best friend inch closer and closer to death.

 Dave

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Lyncia <lmlangdonyahoo (DOT) com>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 2:19:17 PM

Subject: Re: (unknown)

 

Dave,

I wish that I could comfort you more ........ .... you need a big ((((((((((((

(hug))))) )))))))).  We are here for you when needed.

 

 Love, Lyncia

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

From: dave dodds <daveliltoe@ yahoo. com>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 10:09:22 AM

Subject: (unknown)

 

I am sorry Debbie, that you are having this conflict with your daughter.  I'm

sure your precious little 2 yr. old grand baby leaving is particularly

difficult.  It seems too often be a common thread, this conflict between mothers

and daughters.  My daughter just phoned me to tell me her mother had been

diagnosed with cirrhosis. My baby girl, now 30 with a whirlwind sweet two year

old boy, was our only child.  When she was 4, I gained custody of her.  We have

a great relationship, whereas her relationship with her mom has been torturous

at best.  But she loves her mother, and even though we both knew her mother had

liver problems, she was quite upset.  My X and self rarely talk.  She is

remarried, and I remarried for a while.  She still drinks along with assorted

other liver unfriendly items.  Knowledge of Hep C didn't slow her down.  Maybe

cirrhosis will.  Makes me feel so bad that my child had to deal with our

stupidity in her younger

years, and is still having to deal with this cirrhosis all around her.  Her lil'

guy could easily loose both his grandparents at a very young age.  But I have

already kicked myself really hard numerous times, and am working on getting over

that.  It is so true that addiction is a family disease, and so is this

disease.   Just rambling.  Got things I need to be doing.  Peace and comfort to

you all,       

 Dave

[Guest guest]

Thank you Debbie..I am own my way now to spend the day with him.  My daughter

and grandson are coming up tonite, and we are going to Lake Ozark and Ha-Ha

Tonka.  Have you heard of this place?  Will talk to you all later.

 Dave

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 9:09:13 PM

Subject: Re: (unknown)

 

Dave, words just can't tell you how sorry I am for you and your buddy. I know

that's hard. A friend of mine died a yr. ago from cirrhosis/Hep C.I didn't know

she had it and she didn't know I had it. We had been friends for over 50 yrs.

but had grown apart. She still lived a life of alcohol and drugs and even though

I hadn't spoken to her for a couple of years it tore me down to the core. A

friend like that...well you know there is just no way to explain the loss.

You're a good man and the people in your life ( including this group) are

blessed to have you... wishes for peace to you...~~~Debbie

>

> Thank you Lyncia, I could use one.  After I wrote earlier the wife of my best

buddy since we were 2 yrs. old called.  I have been kind of a secondary

caregiver for him now 2 yrs.  He is battling cancer, and the hospice nurse says

he will likely have maybe a month left.  He is becoming very

mentally disoriented now, and she says it will only get worse.  He is not to be

alone, so while she is working I will be there.  Quite depressing watching your

best friend inch closer and closer to death.

>  Dave

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Lyncia <lmlangdon@. ..>

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 2:19:17 PM

> Subject: Re: (unknown)

>

>  

> Dave,

>

> I wish that I could comfort you more ........ .... you need a big ((((((((((((

(hug))))) )))))))).  We are here for you when needed.

>  

>  Love, Lyncia

>  

>  

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: dave dodds <daveliltoe@ yahoo. com>

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 10:09:22 AM

> Subject: (unknown)

>

>  

> I am sorry Debbie, that you are having this conflict with your daughter.  I'm

sure your precious little 2 yr. old grand baby leaving is particularly

difficult.  It seems too often be a common thread, this conflict between mothers

and daughters.  My daughter just phoned me to tell me her mother had been

diagnosed with cirrhosis. My baby girl, now 30 with a whirlwind sweet two year

old boy, was our only child.  When she was 4, I gained custody of her.  We have

a great relationship, whereas her relationship with her mom has been torturous

at best.  But she loves her mother, and even though we both knew her mother had

liver problems, she was quite upset.  My X and self rarely talk.  She is

remarried, and I remarried for a while.  She still drinks along with assorted

other liver unfriendly items.  Knowledge of Hep C didn't slow her down.  Maybe

cirrhosis will.  Makes me feel so bad that my child had to deal with our

stupidity in her younger

> years, and is still having to deal with this cirrhosis all around her.  Her

lil' guy could easily loose both his grandparents at a very young age.  But I

have already kicked myself really hard numerous times, and am working on getting

over that.  It is so true that addiction is a family disease, and so is this

disease.   Just rambling.  Got things I need to be doing.  Peace and comfort to

you all,       

>  Dave

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, Ha ha Tonka sounds like a Lakota word...is it? Bob

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

(unknown)

>

>  

> I am sorry Debbie, that you are having this conflict with your daughter.  I'm

sure your precious little 2 yr. old grand baby leaving is particularly

difficult.  It seems too often be a common thread, this conflict between mothers

and daughters.  My daughter just phoned me to tell me her mother had been

diagnosed with cirrhosis. My baby girl, now 30 with a whirlwind sweet two year

old boy, was our only child.  When she was 4, I gained custody of her.  We have

a great relationship, whereas her relationship with her mom has been torturous

at best.  But she loves her mother, and even though we both knew her mother had

liver problems, she was quite upset.  My X and self rarely talk.  She is

remarried, and I remarried for a while.  She still drinks along with assorted

other liver unfriendly items.  Knowledge of Hep C didn't slow her down.  Maybe

cirrhosis will.  Makes me feel so bad that my child had to deal with our

stupidity in her younger

> years, and is still having to deal with this cirrhosis all around her.  Her

lil' guy could easily loose both his grandparents at a very young age.  But I

have already kicked myself really hard numerous times, and am working on getting

over that.  It is so true that addiction is a family disease, and so is this

disease.   Just rambling.  Got things I need to be doing.  Peace and comfort to

you all,       

>  Dave

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dave...I'm so sorry to hear about your best friend.....buddies since you were

2? That's a lifetime friend. I'm really sorry he's so bad. Be brave when you're

with him. I'm sure he'll be so glad to have you by his side even if he's not

aware. I'm so glad you're a part of this gruop. We're glad to have you here.

Sending a hug your way!

 

                                       

                                    Love,Jill

 

We don't remember days, we remember moments.

Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our

breath away.

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Fri, October 9, 2009 8:52:37 AM

Subject: Re: (unknown)

 

Thank you Debbie..I am own my way now to spend the day with him.  My daughter

and grandson are coming up tonite, and we are going to Lake Ozark and Ha-Ha

Tonka.  Have you heard of this place?  Will talk to you all later.

 Dave

____________ _________ _________ __

From: drgonflyblue <pita54meyahoo (DOT) com>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 9:09:13 PM

Subject: Re: (unknown)

 

Dave, words just can't tell you how sorry I am for you and your buddy. I know

that's hard. A friend of mine died a yr. ago from cirrhosis/Hep C.I didn't know

she had it and she didn't know I had it. We had been friends for over 50 yrs.

but had grown apart. She still lived a life of alcohol and drugs and even though

I hadn't spoken to her for a couple of years it tore me down to the core. A

friend like that...well you know there is just no way to explain the loss.

You're a good man and the people in your life ( including this group) are

blessed to have you... wishes for peace to you...~~~Debbie

>

> Thank you Lyncia, I could use one.  After I wrote earlier the wife of my best

buddy since we were 2 yrs. old called.  I have been kind of a secondary

caregiver for him now 2 yrs.  He is battling cancer, and the hospice nurse says

he will likely have maybe a month left.  He is becoming very

mentally disoriented now, and she says it will only get worse.  He is not to be

alone, so while she is working I will be there.  Quite depressing watching your

best friend inch closer and closer to death.

>  Dave

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Lyncia <lmlangdon@. ..>

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 2:19:17 PM

> Subject: Re: (unknown)

>

>  

> Dave,

>

> I wish that I could comfort you more ........ .... you need a big ((((((((((((

(hug))))) )))))))).  We are here for you when needed.

>  

>  Love, Lyncia

>  

>  

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: dave dodds <daveliltoe@ yahoo. com>

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 10:09:22 AM

> Subject: (unknown)

>

>  

> I am sorry Debbie, that you are having this conflict with your daughter.  I'm

sure your precious little 2 yr. old grand baby leaving is particularly

difficult.  It seems too often be a common thread, this conflict between mothers

and daughters.  My daughter just phoned me to tell me her mother had been

diagnosed with cirrhosis. My baby girl, now 30 with a whirlwind sweet two year

old boy, was our only child.  When she was 4, I gained custody of her.  We have

a great relationship, whereas her relationship with her mom has been torturous

at best.  But she loves her mother, and even though we both knew her mother had

liver problems, she was quite upset.  My X and self rarely talk.  She is

remarried, and I remarried for a while.  She still drinks along with assorted

other liver unfriendly items..  Knowledge of Hep C didn't slow her down.  Maybe

cirrhosis will.  Makes me feel so bad that my child had to deal with our

stupidity in her younger

> years, and is still having to deal with this cirrhosis all around her.  Her

lil' guy could easily loose both his grandparents at a very young age.  But I

have already kicked myself really hard numerous times, and am working on getting

over that.  It is so true that addiction is a family disease, and so is this

disease.   Just rambling.  Got things I need to be doing.  Peace and comfort to

you all,       

>  Dave

>

>

[Guest guest]

Have a safe trip Dave. I have heard of Lake Ozark but not Ha-Ha Tonka but

anyplace with the word HAHA in it has to be a good place right? Enjoy the

family...Best wishes~~~Debbie

> >

> > Thank you Lyncia, I could use one.  After I wrote earlier the wife of my

best buddy since we were 2 yrs. old called.  I have been kind of a secondary

caregiver for him now 2 yrs.  He is battling cancer, and the hospice nurse says

he will likely have maybe a month left.  He is becoming very

mentally disoriented now, and she says it will only get worse.  He is not to be

alone, so while she is working I will be there.  Quite depressing watching your

best friend inch closer and closer to death.

> >  Dave

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: Lyncia <lmlangdon@ ..>

> > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> > Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 2:19:17 PM

> > Subject: Re: (unknown)

> >

> >  

> > Dave,

> >

> > I wish that I could comfort you more ........ .... you need a big

(((((((((((( (hug))))) )))))))).  We are here for you when needed.

> >  

> >  Love, Lyncia

> >  

> >  

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: dave dodds <daveliltoe@ yahoo. com>

> > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> > Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 10:09:22 AM

> > Subject: (unknown)

> >

> >  

> > I am sorry Debbie, that you are having this conflict with your daughter. 

I'm sure your precious little 2 yr. old grand baby leaving is particularly

difficult.  It seems too often be a common thread, this conflict between mothers

and daughters.  My daughter just phoned me to tell me her mother had been

diagnosed with cirrhosis. My baby girl, now 30 with a whirlwind sweet two year

old boy, was our only child.  When she was 4, I gained custody of her.  We have

a great relationship, whereas her relationship with her mom has been torturous

at best.  But she loves her mother, and even though we both knew her mother had

liver problems, she was quite upset.  My X and self rarely talk.  She is

remarried, and I remarried for a while.  She still drinks along with assorted

other liver unfriendly items.  Knowledge of Hep C didn't slow her down.  Maybe

cirrhosis will.  Makes me feel so bad that my child had to deal with our

stupidity in her younger

> > years, and is still having to deal with this cirrhosis all around her.  Her

lil' guy could easily loose both his grandparents at a very young age.  But I

have already kicked myself really hard numerous times, and am working on getting

over that.  It is so true that addiction is a family disease, and so is this

disease.   Just rambling.  Got things I need to be doing.  Peace and comfort to

you all,       

> >  Dave

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you Diane..I know practically everyone here can relate..I was there today,

watching him while his wife was working, and he is becoming more and more

disoriented.  I am afraid he will pull his pain pump out, or God knows what.  I

am afraid he may have to go into a nursing home soon, because I don't think she

can take much more, or handle him much longer.  I know that is the last thing he

would want, but she is looking so weak herself.  I am glad his family will have

to reach that decision and not me.  Thw tumor is his side just keeps getting

bigger and bigger.  Honestly close to grapefruit size.  Poor guy.  We have been

through everything in life together.  I guess it is fitting we go through this

together as well.   

 Dave

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Fri, October 9, 2009 4:10:17 AM

Subject: Re: (unknown)

 

Dave, I am so sorry.  Yes, it is very difficult to watch your loved one dying. 

Please know you and your friend are in my thoughts and prayers.

 

Warm Hugs........ ...

 

Di

http://auntdisexper imentallife. blogspot. com/

____________ _________ _________ __

From: dave dodds <daveliltoeyahoo (DOT) com>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2009 2:54:59 PM

Subject: Re: (unknown)

 

Thank you Lyncia, I could use one.  After I wrote earlier the wife of my best

buddy since we were 2 yrs. old called.  I have been kind of a secondary

caregiver for him now 2 yrs.  He is battling cancer, and the hospice nurse says

he will likely have maybe a month left.  He is becoming very

mentally disoriented now, and she says it will only get worse.  He is not to be

alone, so while she is working I will be there.  Quite depressing watching your

best friend inch closer and closer to death.

 Dave

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Lyncia <lmlangdonyahoo (DOT) com>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 2:19:17 PM

Subject: Re: (unknown)

 

Dave,

I wish that I could comfort you more ........ .... you need a big ((((((((((((

(hug))))) )))))))).  We are here for you when needed.

 

 Love, Lyncia

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

From: dave dodds <daveliltoe@ yahoo. com>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 10:09:22 AM

Subject: (unknown)

 

I am sorry Debbie, that you are having this conflict with your daughter.  I'm

sure your precious little 2 yr. old grand baby leaving is particularly

difficult.  It seems too often be a common thread, this conflict between mothers

and daughters.  My daughter just phoned me to tell me her mother had been

diagnosed with cirrhosis. My baby girl, now 30 with a whirlwind sweet two year

old boy, was our only child.  When she was 4, I gained custody of her.  We have

a great relationship, whereas her relationship with her mom has been torturous

at best.  But she loves her mother, and even though we both knew her mother had

liver problems, she was quite upset.  My X and self rarely talk.  She is

remarried, and I remarried for a while.  She still drinks along with assorted

other liver unfriendly items.  Knowledge of Hep C didn't slow her down.  Maybe

cirrhosis will.  Makes me feel so bad that my child had to deal with our

stupidity in her younger

years, and is still having to deal with this cirrhosis all around her.  Her lil'

guy could easily loose both his grandparents at a very young age.  But I have

already kicked myself really hard numerous times, and am working on getting over

that.  It is so true that addiction is a family disease, and so is this

disease.   Just rambling.  Got things I need to be doing.  Peace and comfort to

you all,       

 Dave

[Guest guest]

I'm not really sure of its origin.  This area was heavily inhabited by the

Osage, which are likely a branch of the Sioux.  Coming down from the Dakota's

likely, and migrating to the Dakota's from the Ohio area they believe.  The word

Osage gets its origin from the belief that the people of the Earth and the

People of the Sun came together forming one group " The Osage " , or  " People of The

Middle Water's. "   Perhaps the Missouri River.  Perhaps The Mississippi.  I will

try and check tomarrow and see.  Peace and comfort.

 Dave

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Fri, October 9, 2009 10:19:39 AM

Subject: Re: (unknown)

Well, Ha ha Tonka sounds like a Lakota word...is it? Bob

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

(unknown)

>

>  

> I am sorry Debbie, that you are having this conflict with your daughter.  I'm

sure your precious little 2 yr. old grand baby leaving is particularly

difficult.  It seems too often be a common thread, this conflict between mothers

and daughters.  My daughter just phoned me to tell me her mother had been

diagnosed with cirrhosis. My baby girl, now 30 with a whirlwind sweet two year

old boy, was our only child.  When she was 4, I gained custody of her.  We have

a great relationship, whereas her relationship with her mom has been torturous

at best.  But she loves her mother, and even though we both knew her mother had

liver problems, she was quite upset.  My X and self rarely talk.  She is

remarried, and I remarried for a while.  She still drinks along with assorted

other liver unfriendly items.  Knowledge of Hep C didn't slow her down.  Maybe

cirrhosis will.  Makes me feel so bad that my child had to deal with our

stupidity in her younger

> years, and is still having to deal with this cirrhosis all around her.  Her

lil' guy could easily loose both his grandparents at a very young age.  But I

have already kicked myself really hard numerous times, and am working on getting

over that.  It is so true that addiction is a family disease, and so is this

disease.   Just rambling.  Got things I need to be doing.  Peace and comfort to

you all,       

>  Dave

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Jill.  I try, but it is very difficult to keep my emotions in check. 

Peace and comfort,

 Dave

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Fri, October 9, 2009 10:28:56 AM

Subject: Re: (unknown)

 

Dave...I'm so sorry to hear about your best friend.. ...buddies since you were

2? That's a lifetime friend. I'm really sorry he's so bad. Be brave when you're

with him. I'm sure he'll be so glad to have you by his side even if he's not

aware. I'm so glad you're a part of this gruop. We're glad to have you here.

Sending a hug your way!

 

                                       

                                    Love,Jill

 

We don't remember days, we remember moments.

Life is not measured by the breaths we take,but by the moments that take our

breath away.

____________ _________ _________ __

From: dave dodds <daveliltoeyahoo (DOT) com>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Fri, October 9, 2009 8:52:37 AM

Subject: Re: (unknown)

 

Thank you Debbie..I am own my way now to spend the day with him.  My daughter

and grandson are coming up tonite, and we are going to Lake Ozark and Ha-Ha

Tonka.  Have you heard of this place?  Will talk to you all later.

 Dave

____________ _________ _________ __

From: drgonflyblue <pita54meyahoo (DOT) com>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 9:09:13 PM

Subject: Re: (unknown)

 

Dave, words just can't tell you how sorry I am for you and your buddy. I know

that's hard. A friend of mine died a yr. ago from cirrhosis/Hep C.I didn't know

she had it and she didn't know I had it. We had been friends for over 50 yrs.

but had grown apart. She still lived a life of alcohol and drugs and even though

I hadn't spoken to her for a couple of years it tore me down to the core. A

friend like that...well you know there is just no way to explain the loss.

You're a good man and the people in your life ( including this group) are

blessed to have you... wishes for peace to you...~~~Debbie

>

> Thank you Lyncia, I could use one.  After I wrote earlier the wife of my best

buddy since we were 2 yrs. old called.  I have been kind of a secondary

caregiver for him now 2 yrs.  He is battling cancer, and the hospice nurse says

he will likely have maybe a month left.  He is becoming very

mentally disoriented now, and she says it will only get worse.  He is not to be

alone, so while she is working I will be there.  Quite depressing watching your

best friend inch closer and closer to death.

>  Dave

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Lyncia <lmlangdon@. ..>

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 2:19:17 PM

> Subject: Re: (unknown)

>

>  

> Dave,

>

> I wish that I could comfort you more ........ .... you need a big ((((((((((((

(hug))))) )))))))).  We are here for you when needed.

>  

>  Love, Lyncia

>  

>  

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: dave dodds <daveliltoe@ yahoo. com>

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 10:09:22 AM

> Subject: (unknown)

>

>  

> I am sorry Debbie, that you are having this conflict with your daughter.  I'm

sure your precious little 2 yr. old grand baby leaving is particularly

difficult.  It seems too often be a common thread, this conflict between mothers

and daughters.  My daughter just phoned me to tell me her mother had been

diagnosed with cirrhosis. My baby girl, now 30 with a whirlwind sweet two year

old boy, was our only child.  When she was 4, I gained custody of her.  We have

a great relationship, whereas her relationship with her mom has been torturous

at best.  But she loves her mother, and even though we both knew her mother had

liver problems, she was quite upset.  My X and self rarely talk.  She is

remarried, and I remarried for a while.  She still drinks along with assorted

other liver unfriendly items..  Knowledge of Hep C didn't slow her down.  Maybe

cirrhosis will.  Makes me feel so bad that my child had to deal with our

stupidity in her

younger

> years, and is still having to deal with this cirrhosis all around her.  Her

lil' guy could easily loose both his grandparents at a very young age.  But I

have already kicked myself really hard numerous times, and am working on getting

over that.  It is so true that addiction is a family disease, and so is this

disease.   Just rambling.  Got things I need to be doing.  Peace and comfort to

you all,       

>  Dave

>

>

[Guest guest]

Debbie, below the cliff at Ha Ha Tonka there is the most beautiful spring.  I

think this is likely part of the naming of it, and am curious if it translated

to laughing rocks.  No idea for sure, but am going to check.  Peace and comfort,

 Dave

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To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Fri, October 9, 2009 5:48:54 PM

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Have a safe trip Dave. I have heard of Lake Ozark but not Ha-Ha Tonka but

anyplace with the word HAHA in it has to be a good place right? Enjoy the

family...Best wishes~~~Debbie

> >

> > Thank you Lyncia, I could use one.  After I wrote earlier the wife of my

best buddy since we were 2 yrs. old called.  I have been kind of a secondary

caregiver for him now 2 yrs.  He is battling cancer, and the hospice nurse says

he will likely have maybe a month left.  He is becoming very

mentally disoriented now, and she says it will only get worse.  He is not to be

alone, so while she is working I will be there.  Quite depressing watching your

best friend inch closer and closer to death.

> >  Dave

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: Lyncia <lmlangdon@ ..>

> > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> > Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 2:19:17 PM

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> >  

> > Dave,

> >

> > I wish that I could comfort you more ........ .... you need a big

(((((((((((( (hug))))) )))))))).  We are here for you when needed.

> >  

> >  Love, Lyncia

> >  

> >  

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: dave dodds <daveliltoe@ yahoo. com>

> > To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> > Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 10:09:22 AM

> > Subject: (unknown)

> >

> >  

> > I am sorry Debbie, that you are having this conflict with your daughter. 

I'm sure your precious little 2 yr. old grand baby leaving is particularly

difficult.  It seems too often be a common thread, this conflict between mothers

and daughters.  My daughter just phoned me to tell me her mother had been

diagnosed with cirrhosis. My baby girl, now 30 with a whirlwind sweet two year

old boy, was our only child.  When she was 4, I gained custody of her.  We have

a great relationship, whereas her relationship with her mom has been torturous

at best.  But she loves her mother, and even though we both knew her mother had

liver problems, she was quite upset.  My X and self rarely talk.  She is

remarried, and I remarried for a while.  She still drinks along with assorted

other liver unfriendly items.  Knowledge of Hep C didn't slow her down.  Maybe

cirrhosis will.  Makes me feel so bad that my child had to deal with our

stupidity in her

younger

> > years, and is still having to deal with this cirrhosis all around her.  Her

lil' guy could easily loose both his grandparents at a very young age.  But I

have already kicked myself really hard numerous times, and am working on getting

over that.  It is so true that addiction is a family disease, and so is this

disease.   Just rambling.  Got things I need to be doing.  Peace and comfort to

you all,       

> >  Dave

> >

> >