Re: Question about SamE

[Guest guest]

Yes , something is horribly wrong with the way our medical system

works. We would LIKE to live until 100 feeling as good as we can

RIGHT??

> >In a message dated 3/3/2006 12:23:15 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> >merryr@... writes:

> >Also, doctors don't want to treat older women with E. They claim

> >its too late!!!

> >

> > makes me want to do a testicle-cktomyyyyyyyyyyy on

them !!!!!!!!!!!!!! L

> >

> >

> >click here for our webpage

> ><http://rhythmicliving.com/>http://rhythmicliving.com/

> >

> >**The group conversation is informational in nature and is not

> >intended as medical advice.**

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I'm just reading the adrenal link and I'm absolutely floored. My

doctor has me on a small amount of armour but after reading this

link, I must have DEAD adrenals. I have ALL of these symptoms. I

have that damned plummeting blood pressure (orthostatic hypotension)

and I used to faint because of this. Different doctors have told me

I have this problem. My osteopath told me to eat a lot of sea

vegetables and miso soup to help with this. So what is adrenal

support exactly? Is that DHEA ? Since I started taking that, I DO

feel much better but if adrenals aren't strong enough to support

thyroid medication, then why would a doctor give someone thyroid

medication without treating adrenals first??

>

> First off, I'm not a doctor, so take everything I say with a grain

fo salt

> (sea salt).

>

> Initially when a human begins whole natural thyroid meds, it si

wise to

> first begin adrenal support.

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/mistakes-patients-make/

>

> When beginning a whole thyroid med, the typical starting dose is 1-

2 grains

> (60-120mg).

> There may be an initial " get-used-to " period when cells wake up,

but this

> passes within a

> week or so. When, and if, symptoms return in a few weeks, or

months, an

> increase in

> dose is warranted (typical increase is 1/2 - 1 grain - 30-60mg).

And in a

> few weeks or

> months if symptoms return, another increase is warranted. This may

(or may

> not) continue

> until symptoms no longer return - this would be at the optimum

dose for the

> individual.

>

> Please note that if thyroid tests are run, and you are at an

optimal dose,

> the Free T3 and

> Free T4 will most likely be a bit above, or substantially above

the high

> normal range (my serum

> levels are huge), and the TSH will be supressed. If saliva testing

the

> thyroid hormones, tissue

> levels will be almost perfect. Interesting, huh?

>

> When the thyroid is regulated, it's far easier to regulate the

other

> hormones.

>

> Don't forget to read this website in detail...

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> And if you proceed with self-treating, is is wise to join a

thyroid support

> group such as

> the Natural thyroid hormone Group

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormones/?

yguid=181992203

> or the Yahoo Thyroid Group.

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thyroid/?yguid=181992203

> Don't go it alone...seriously...

>

> Sam

> (thyroid-less, ovary-less and Armour-ized)

> k9gang@...

> www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

>

> Re: Re: Question about SamE

>

>

> Sam... if you wouldn't mind, quick question: My TSH is 2.87. No

Md. will

> admit it is too high. IF I were to self treat with NatureThyroid,

how should

> I go about this? Dose and schedule, etc. I am clear about my E

symptoms, and

> my E dose, but just know I have some hypo-T symptoms. I'll thank

you ahead

> of time.

>

[Guest guest]

I hope I'm not offending anyone when I say some doctors are just plain effed

up stupid insane moronic bas*ards that should be pumping gas instead of

trying to kill patients. And I'm being nice. One of my friends was just

legally murdered with chemo-therapy, sorry, but I'm a little miffed at the

medical industry right now... You should her what I " really " want to say...

All based on my own experiences...

For example, my HEALTHY thyroid gland was destroyed by a dr because I broke

my back... Oh wait, I had a surprise accidental hysterectomy at age 21 when

I only went in to get my tubes tied.....doctors sure are something, huh? But

I digress...

Adrenal support is basically 1/2 of what normal healthy adrenals produce

daily. And that would be 20mg Cortesol, OR 5mg of Prednisolone

(Deltacortril), OR 5mg Prednisone. Isocort is a lightweight form of adrenal

support that can be over the counter, but for some a more heavy duty form of

adrenal support is usually necessary - like if one has been thyroid sic for

a while, or switching from $ynthCrap (synthroid) to a whole thyroid med

(Armour, Naturethroid, Thyroid-S, etc). One doesn't usually need adrenal

support when taking synthetic T4 because apparently synthetic T4 and our T3

receptors don't necessarily coincide. Well, I should say that it seems to me

that synthetic T4 doesn't convert to enough T3 to make any difference at

all, so... Oh, heck, www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

Sam

(thyroid-less, ovary-less and Armour-ized)

k9gang@...

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

Re: Re: Question about SamE

> >

> >

> > Sam... if you wouldn't mind, quick question: My TSH is 2.87. No

> Md. will

> > admit it is too high. IF I were to self treat with NatureThyroid,

> how should

> > I go about this? Dose and schedule, etc. I am clear about my E

> symptoms, and

> > my E dose, but just know I have some hypo-T symptoms. I'll thank

> you ahead

> > of time.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

>

> **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as

medical advice.**

>

[Guest guest]

LOL!!! Sam you are funny! Pumping gas instead of killing

patients ! Love it. Sorry about your friend and yes they act as

if chemo is a Godsend for us. What we need is COMPETENT TESTING.

Why on earth can't we all get a whole-body MRI every year and take

care of every damned thing at once? I'll bet you can all answer

that. My God Sam sounds like you've had quite a life of operations.

Thought I was bad with giant cell tumors growing all over the place!

At least they aren't cancerous. All we can do is pray and try to

get informed as much as we can. Well here's to another question I

have to " throw " at my doctor.

> > >

> > > First off, I'm not a doctor, so take everything I say with a

grain

> > fo salt

> > > (sea salt).

> > >

> > > Initially when a human begins whole natural thyroid meds, it si

> > wise to

> > > first begin adrenal support.

> > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/

> > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/mistakes-patients-make/

> > >

> > > When beginning a whole thyroid med, the typical starting dose

is 1-

> > 2 grains

> > > (60-120mg).

> > > There may be an initial " get-used-to " period when cells wake

up,

> > but this

> > > passes within a

> > > week or so. When, and if, symptoms return in a few weeks, or

> > months, an

> > > increase in

> > > dose is warranted (typical increase is 1/2 - 1 grain - 30-

60mg).

> > And in a

> > > few weeks or

> > > months if symptoms return, another increase is warranted. This

may

> > (or may

> > > not) continue

> > > until symptoms no longer return - this would be at the optimum

> > dose for the

> > > individual.

> > >

> > > Please note that if thyroid tests are run, and you are at an

> > optimal dose,

> > > the Free T3 and

> > > Free T4 will most likely be a bit above, or substantially above

> > the high

> > > normal range (my serum

> > > levels are huge), and the TSH will be supressed. If saliva

testing

> > the

> > > thyroid hormones, tissue

> > > levels will be almost perfect. Interesting, huh?

> > >

> > > When the thyroid is regulated, it's far easier to regulate the

> > other

> > > hormones.

> > >

> > > Don't forget to read this website in detail...

> > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> > > And if you proceed with self-treating, is is wise to join a

> > thyroid support

> > > group such as

> > > the Natural thyroid hormone Group

> > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormones/?

> > yguid=181992203

> > > or the Yahoo Thyroid Group.

> > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thyroid/?yguid=181992203

> > > Don't go it alone...seriously...

> > >

> > > Sam

> > > (thyroid-less, ovary-less and Armour-ized)

> > > k9gang@

> > > www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

> > >

> > > Re: Re: Question about SamE

> > >

> > >

> > > Sam... if you wouldn't mind, quick question: My TSH is 2.87. No

> > Md. will

> > > admit it is too high. IF I were to self treat with

NatureThyroid,

> > how should

> > > I go about this? Dose and schedule, etc. I am clear about my E

> > symptoms, and

> > > my E dose, but just know I have some hypo-T symptoms. I'll

thank

> > you ahead

> > > of time.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

> >

> > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not

intended as

> medical advice.**

> >

[Guest guest]

Re: Re: Question about SamE

Water under the bridge and all that, ya know...

The hystie took the worry out of " being close " and I didn't have

to worry about that pesky monthly bleedy thingy, and didn't have to

buy those absorbo thingies, and all that. Look on the bright side, however,

the lack of female hormones sucked. But at least now I can adjust them on

a whim. Ugh!

I'm not sure I can look on the bright side of the thyroid destructo

scenario. But if anything, my long 17yr self-imposed hypO-sick

hermit-ness helped my inner growth, and all that mental cosmic-y crapola.

Well, I did stop being so self absorbed and bratty, so much. <wink>

How I felt after the hystie was ANGER. Huge big time anger. I was just a

baby at 21, afterall. But they 'gave' me a tummy tuck which helped a little.

I had this gigantor hangy stretched out baby belly thingy that always got

caught in my zipper. The prospect of being able to wear a string

micro-bikini in public once again really was rather tempting. But they did a

bad job on it... surprise surprise...

I think right now there's no way I could ever get victimized by doctors

again. That is what those experienced did for me.

Sam

(thyroid-less, ovary-less and Armour-ized)

k9gang@...

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

In a message dated 3/7/2006 2:05:43 PM Pacific Standard Time,

k9gang@... writes:

For example, my HEALTHY thyroid gland was destroyed by a dr because I broke

my back... Oh wait, I had a surprise accidental hysterectomy at age 21 when

I only went in to get my tubes tied.....doctors sure are something, huh? But

I digress...

SAM, I am so sorry they did that to you !!!!!!!!!!!!! (((

I felt raped after mine, and I knew they were doing it to me, can't

imagine how you felt

( HUGS, XOX

[Guest guest]

If you ask me, the more s.o. has allergies, the less their adrenals are

working, and the less their adrenals are working, the more deficient they

are in thyroid hormone.

I had been taking 1/4 gr Armour for awhile, but it helped little, doc upped

to 1/2 gr., but I still wasn't happy and knowing that I had a lot of stress

in my life (burdening the adrenals) and with my low afternoon bouts of

tiredness, I asked my doctor to add Cortef, since 'burn-out' showed in the

saliva tests,and after that, I did okay. On my own I had done an iodine on

my skin (at the doc it costs $ 70 with his machine), and found out I'm badly

needing it. So my doc suggested I use Lugol's iodine/iodide in addition.

Turns out that after all, I seem to only need iodine, am not tired out in pm

anymore and sleep much more through the night.

However, when there's stress, I need to add some Armour and jCortef or/and

DHEA. Some NDs recommend doing l/2 dose Cortef and 1/2 DHEA, 'cause the

adrenals need both of these.

As far as your Mom's concerned, she has to learn in her own time, and you

can only learn to lovingly/patiently wait. With her positive longlife family

history she may have nothing to fear, except her weight; and may be she is

open to improve on her diet, since weight is a low thyroid symptom, and low

thyroid often brings on heart problems (like it did in my case).

Cheereo, and good night!

Charlotte

Re: Question about SamE

> Hi Charlotte -- I thank you in advance for all your suggestions. My

> mom is quite another story that is too complicated to go into here--

> I have just successfully gotten her to see an osteopath and she's

> going for therapy and that is a big plus because she never took care

> of her pain in any way with any supplement or hormone. Doctors gave

> her Premarin and she gained 30 pounds so she stopped it and that was

> that. She now is caretaker of my dad who in an invalid and she

> barely has time to get to the doctor for her own problems. I can't

> give her this stuff without being seen by someone - preferably a

> thyroid doctor. She is allergic to EVERYTHING. She gets hives that

> are to die from and she's had that problem all her life. Her body

> is SCREAMING thyroid problems, but none of her doctors send her to a

> thyroid doc. They just give her medication to treat her symptoms.

>

> I can't forget the time I went to my dermatologist with dermatitis

> so bad (many years ago) and I asked him what causes this? He just

> looked at me and rolled his eyes and handed me a tube of cream.

> They aren't interested in getting to the cause are they?

>

>

>

>

>

>

> - In rhythmicliving , " Charlotte N. "

> wrote:

>>

>> dear, listen: all your Mom can do is try out different

> natural (i.e.

>> harmless) options, although it needs a few days up to a week or

> two, to

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

>

> **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as

> medical advice.**

>

[Guest guest]

Yes Charlotte- the more I read about the adrenals, the more I think

I need adrenal help because 1/2 grain of Armour isn't doing it. I

was good for awhile and now I'm getting TIRED again and walking

around like a zombie. You know, I really think if I got to bed by 9

pm every night like I SHOULD, I probably wouldn't have any problems

with the plummeting blood pressure when I stand up fast, etc etc. I

need REST!!! I have a horrible lifestyle - too much commuting and

working. But for all I know, I could still have all those chemical

imbalances even if I was a goody two shoes and got my sleep.

We all have a long way to go educating our doctors, although I tend

to think that they already KNOW what to do for us but like to keep

us unhealthy to keep the money rolling in. SHAME !

> >>

> >> dear, listen: all your Mom can do is try out different

> > natural (i.e.

> >> harmless) options, although it needs a few days up to a week or

> > two, to

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

> >

> > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not

intended as

> > medical advice.**

> >

[Guest guest]

Oh Sam - I am SO SORRY this all happened to you. God what a

nightmare. How on EARTH did they give you an accidental hysterctomy

at 21? Did they confuse you with another patient? I guess I

shouldn't complain. After all, I was 47 when had my ovarian

failure. And then having to deal with doctors who still, in 2006,

do NOT know how to dose hormones. I hope you got some restitution

from that whole episode.

>

>

> Water under the bridge and all that, ya know...

> The hystie took the worry out of " being close " and I didn't have

> to worry about that pesky monthly bleedy thingy, and didn't have to

> buy those absorbo thingies, and all that. Look on the bright side,

however,

> the lack of female hormones sucked. But at least now I can adjust

them on

> a whim. Ugh!

>

> I'm not sure I can look on the bright side of the thyroid destructo

> scenario. But if anything, my long 17yr self-imposed hypO-sick

> hermit-ness helped my inner growth, and all that mental cosmic-y

crapola.

> Well, I did stop being so self absorbed and bratty, so much. <wink>

>

> How I felt after the hystie was ANGER. Huge big time anger. I was

just a

> baby at 21, afterall. But they 'gave' me a tummy tuck which helped

a little.

> I had this gigantor hangy stretched out baby belly thingy that

always got

> caught in my zipper. The prospect of being able to wear a string

> micro-bikini in public once again really was rather tempting. But

they did a

> bad job on it... surprise surprise...

>

> I think right now there's no way I could ever get victimized by

doctors

> again. That is what those experienced did for me.

>

> Sam

> (thyroid-less, ovary-less and Armour-ized)

> k9gang@...

> www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

>

[Guest guest]

1/2 grain of Armour is simply NOT ENOUGH. A typical " starting dose " is 1-2

grains! 1/2 grain of Armour 'is' just enough to p*ss off your body, tho.

Read this: http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/mistakes-patients-make

Gosh, I seriously love that web site. It makes " thyroid education " so much

easier. Instead of long winded emails, I just send a web address. <grin>

Know what I'm on? EIGHT grains!!!!! Well, I have no thyroid gland, so I need

what I need - a full replacement dose. My doctor's head would spin on it's

axis if she knew - she reduced my Rx from 6 grains to 4 grains a while back,

so I order my own and dose by symptoms. I have tried to educate that insane

moron, to no avail, so I use her to Rx what she will, so my insurance will

cover what it will. And even so, I still have to pay for Estradiol and

testosterone because my disability insurance will only cover Premarin and

will NOT pay for testosterone for women because, according to them, women do

not use testosterone.

Oh well, anyway...

Sam

(thyroid-less, ovary-less and Armour-ized)

k9gang@...

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

Re: Question about SamE

> Yes Charlotte- the more I read about the adrenals, the more I think

> I need adrenal help because 1/2 grain of Armour isn't doing it.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, .

Accidental hystie came about because I was in a military hospital and they

mixed me up with the patient next to me. She got her tubes tied and I got

the hystie. The only restitution I got from that was a tummy tuck. You see,

I was married at the time to a Navy guy and his " higher ups " threatened him

with demotion if I proceeded with a law suit. He in turn beat the living

crap out of me (fresh out of the hosp, no less) in order to convince me to

not sue. When I was re-admitted to repair the damage the beating did to my

surgical areas, I was offered the tummy tuck. How nice of my hubby at the

time to allow me to go back into the hosp. I guess the hemorrhaging scared

him and he was afraid of jail time for murder... What a guy, huh? Just so

you know, I will have been divorced 32 years in May.

Well? You asked... <wink>

Sam

(thyroid-less, ovary-less and Armour-ized)

k9gang@...

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

Re: Question about SamE

> Oh Sam - I am SO SORRY this all happened to you. God what a

> nightmare. How on EARTH did they give you an accidental hysterctomy

> at 21? Did they confuse you with another patient? I guess I

> shouldn't complain. After all, I was 47 when had my ovarian

> failure. And then having to deal with doctors who still, in 2006,

> do NOT know how to dose hormones. I hope you got some restitution

> from that whole episode.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sam you are making my EARS turn red! Well we won't go into that

old big-bad-insurance-company bull because we could write a book on

that subject. But yes I'm seeing that sometimes you have to dose

yourSELF ! See my doc went strictly by my TSH and even if my T3

and t4s come back as low, he probably STILL wouldn't raise it. He's

not living in MY body!! Yes I am pouring over that stopthemadness

site thank you. What I want to know is why the damned reference

range for " Normal " is so HUGE. How could someone with a .50 and a

3. be NORMAL??? Who do we have to pay off to change this?

>

> 1/2 grain of Armour is simply NOT ENOUGH. A typical " starting

dose " is 1-2

> grains! 1/2 grain of Armour 'is' just enough to p*ss off your

body, tho.

> Read this: http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/mistakes-patients-

make

> Gosh, I seriously love that web site. It makes " thyroid education "

so much

> easier. Instead of long winded emails, I just send a web address.

<grin>

>

> Know what I'm on? EIGHT grains!!!!! Well, I have no thyroid gland,

so I need

> what I need - a full replacement dose. My doctor's head would spin

on it's

> axis if she knew - she reduced my Rx from 6 grains to 4 grains a

while back,

> so I order my own and dose by symptoms. I have tried to educate

that insane

> moron, to no avail, so I use her to Rx what she will, so my

insurance will

> cover what it will. And even so, I still have to pay for Estradiol

and

> testosterone because my disability insurance will only cover

Premarin and

> will NOT pay for testosterone for women because, according to

them, women do

> not use testosterone.

> Oh well, anyway...

>

> Sam

> (thyroid-less, ovary-less and Armour-ized)

> k9gang@...

> www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

>

> Re: Question about SamE

>

>

> > Yes Charlotte- the more I read about the adrenals, the more I

think

> > I need adrenal help because 1/2 grain of Armour isn't doing it.

>

[Guest guest]

> Oh boy - the MISTAKES we make in our lives. I hope you got some

> help for this.

Yes, I did, I divorced the jerk. But then he terrorized me and kidnapped my

daughter and got custody. What a guy. My only hope is that his karma has

gotten him back ten fold... I, on the other hand, am a genuinely happy and

finally healthy individual. Certainly I miss my daughter (haven't seen her

in 30yrs), but I can not change what has already happened. I can only move

forward...

Sam

(thyroid-less, ovary-less and Armour-ized)

k9gang@...

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

[Guest guest]

Reference ranges were made from averages of a wide age group of supposedly

thyroid-healthy people.

Obviously that group was not thyroid-healthy. They have changed the

reference ranges for TSH many

times because something like 80% tested closer to 1 or below. The TSH

" normal " range used to go up to 10.

Can you imagine how many people suffered and died because of that? It's mind

boggling.

Who do we have to pay off to change it? I'd say about as much, if not more,

than the big pharmaceutical

companies do... <wink>

Sam

(thyroid-less, ovary-less and Armour-ized)

k9gang@...

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

Re: Question about SamE

> Sam you are making my EARS turn red! Well we won't go into that

> old big-bad-insurance-company bull because we could write a book on

> that subject. But yes I'm seeing that sometimes you have to dose

> yourSELF ! See my doc went strictly by my TSH and even if my T3

> and t4s come back as low, he probably STILL wouldn't raise it. He's

> not living in MY body!! Yes I am pouring over that stopthemadness

> site thank you. What I want to know is why the damned reference

> range for " Normal " is so HUGE. How could someone with a .50 and a

> 3. be NORMAL??? Who do we have to pay off to change this?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh this goes from bad to worse! Yes you can only move forward. So

sorry you had to experience this. You should write a book !

>

> > Oh boy - the MISTAKES we make in our lives. I hope you got some

> > help for this.

>

> Yes, I did, I divorced the jerk. But then he terrorized me and

kidnapped my

> daughter and got custody. What a guy. My only hope is that his

karma has

> gotten him back ten fold... I, on the other hand, am a genuinely

happy and

> finally healthy individual. Certainly I miss my daughter (haven't

seen her

> in 30yrs), but I can not change what has already happened. I can

only move

> forward...

>

> Sam

> (thyroid-less, ovary-less and Armour-ized)

> k9gang@...

> www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

>

[Guest guest]

I've moved on. No point in dwelling on the past if I can't change it.

In fact, I have a hot date arriving here in about an hour.

heh...heh...heh...

Sam...

Re: Question about SamE

> Oh this goes from bad to worse! Yes you can only move forward. So

> sorry you had to experience this. You should write a book !

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > Oh boy - the MISTAKES we make in our lives. I hope you got some

> > > help for this.

> >

> > Yes, I did, I divorced the jerk. But then he terrorized me and

> kidnapped my

> > daughter and got custody. What a guy. My only hope is that his

> karma has

> > gotten him back ten fold... I, on the other hand, am a genuinely

> happy and

> > finally healthy individual. Certainly I miss my daughter (haven't

> seen her

> > in 30yrs), but I can not change what has already happened. I can

> only move

> > forward...

> >

> > Sam

> > (thyroid-less, ovary-less and Armour-ized)

> > k9gang@...

> > www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

>

> **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as

medical advice.**

>

[Guest guest]

I just don't understand this at all. Not at all.

>

> Reference ranges were made from averages of a wide age group of

supposedly

> thyroid-healthy people.

> Obviously that group was not thyroid-healthy. They have changed the

> reference ranges for TSH many

> times because something like 80% tested closer to 1 or below. The

TSH

> " normal " range used to go up to 10.

> Can you imagine how many people suffered and died because of that?

It's mind

> boggling.

>

> Who do we have to pay off to change it? I'd say about as much, if

not more,

> than the big pharmaceutical

> companies do... <wink>

>

> Sam

> (thyroid-less, ovary-less and Armour-ized)

> k9gang@...

> www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

>

>

> Re: Question about SamE

>

>

> > Sam you are making my EARS turn red! Well we won't go into

that

> > old big-bad-insurance-company bull because we could write a book

on

> > that subject. But yes I'm seeing that sometimes you have to dose

> > yourSELF ! See my doc went strictly by my TSH and even if my T3

> > and t4s come back as low, he probably STILL wouldn't raise it.

He's

> > not living in MY body!! Yes I am pouring over that

stopthemadness

> > site thank you. What I want to know is why the damned

reference

> > range for " Normal " is so HUGE. How could someone with a .50 and

a

> > 3. be NORMAL??? Who do we have to pay off to change this?

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well have a fabulous night out! I'm too " TIRED " to go out!

Needing More Armour,

> > >

> > > > Oh boy - the MISTAKES we make in our lives. I hope you got

some

> > > > help for this.

> > >

> > > Yes, I did, I divorced the jerk. But then he terrorized me and

> > kidnapped my

> > > daughter and got custody. What a guy. My only hope is that his

> > karma has

> > > gotten him back ten fold... I, on the other hand, am a

genuinely

> > happy and

> > > finally healthy individual. Certainly I miss my daughter

(haven't

> > seen her

> > > in 30yrs), but I can not change what has already happened. I

can

> > only move

> > > forward...

> > >

> > > Sam

> > > (thyroid-less, ovary-less and Armour-ized)

> > > k9gang@

> > > www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

> >

> > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not

intended as

> medical advice.**

> >

[Guest guest]

Vow Sam, I admire your strength of character! Anyone could have become

nothing but bitter and cynical, and nobody would blame her.

Sorry you had to go through all that, yet you still managed to turn into a

" whole " = fully compassionate human !

Love,

Charlotte

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Re: Re: Question about SamE

>> Oh boy - the MISTAKES we make in our lives. I hope you got some

>> help for this.

>

> Yes, I did, I divorced the jerk. But then he terrorized me and kidnapped

> my

> daughter and got custody. What a guy. My only hope is that his karma has

> gotten him back ten fold... I, on the other hand, am a genuinely happy

> and

> finally healthy individual. Certainly I miss my daughter (haven't seen her

> in 30yrs), but I can not change what has already happened. I can only move

> forward...

>

> Sam

> (thyroid-less, ovary-less and Armour-ized)

> k9gang@...

> www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

>

>

>

> click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

>

> **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as

> medical advice.**

>