Re: Question about SamE

March 3, 2006

Her thyroid could stand to be lower couldn't it?

, with heart patients, I know the FT3 should stay around the middle range....maybe just above, and the FT4 can go to up to top of range......it's OK to have a supressed TSH, as far as I know, if your on thyroid meds, it will be, LOL.....did you ever ck out Sam's site

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/?page_id=18

March 3, 2006

My mom's FT3 is in the middle range.

..................WOW...well that's encouraging)).....maybe if her thyroid is OK......you could slap a patch or two on her, LOLLOL......see what you think after you look over that site, and so many things to learn:)))

March 3, 2006

This is a wonderful site! But there is one thing missing. There is no letter to a doctor who won't prescribe ANY thyroid medications - Synthroid or anything ELSE! I need a letter for THEM. Idiots!

go to the NaturalThyroidHormones they have letters for your Dr.) L

March 3, 2006

BTW, I've increased my Armour to 8 grains and I feel awesome... ))

YOU GO GURRLLLL )) Thanks for the help with here, I'm a newbie

in roidland ,LOL ,

March 3, 2006

Her thyroid could stand to be lower couldn't it?

>

> In a message dated 3/3/2006 12:21:53 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> merryr@... writes:

>

> I've been tempted to give my mom my Armour - but she's on a lot

of

> other meds. I'm printing this OUT for her. I know this and

you

> know this all, but try telling an 82 year old!! And she is taken

> care of by a cardiologist and you know how they are. They are

demi-

> gods! I'm sure I'd have to BEG him to treat her for hypo-T!

>

> , worth a shot, then you'll know you did what you could, my

mother in

> law is in the same boat, BUT she believes her Dr.......I can see

her labs are

> low thyroid, E, and they won't even give her a E patch......it is

> SICK!!!!!!!!!!!! but I tried:))) good luck, XOXOXO L

>

March 3, 2006

No I will look. My mom's FT3 is in the middle range.

>

> In a message dated 3/3/2006 12:30:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> merryr@... writes:

>

> Her thyroid could stand to be lower couldn't it?

>

> , with heart patients, I know the FT3 should stay around the

middle

> range....maybe just above, and the FT4 can go to up to top of

range......it's OK

> to have a supressed TSH, as far as I know, if your on thyroid

meds, it will

> be, LOL.....did you ever ck out Sam's site

> _http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/?page_id=18_

> (http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/?page_id=18)

>

March 3, 2006

This is a wonderful site! But there is one thing missing. There is

no letter to a doctor who won't prescribe ANY thyroid medications -

Synthroid or anything ELSE! I need a letter for THEM.

Idiots!

>

> In a message dated 3/3/2006 12:30:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> merryr@... writes:

>

> Her thyroid could stand to be lower couldn't it?

>

> , with heart patients, I know the FT3 should stay around the

middle

> range....maybe just above, and the FT4 can go to up to top of

range......it's OK

> to have a supressed TSH, as far as I know, if your on thyroid

meds, it will

> be, LOL.....did you ever ck out Sam's site

> _http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/?page_id=18_

> (http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/?page_id=18)

>

March 3, 2006

FT3 in mid-range. Ouch. FT3/FT4 need to be in the high range.

Low functioning thyroid = 40% greater risk of heart issues.

!!! Free T3 needs to be near the top, a bit above, or somewhat above the

high normal range.

!!! Free T4 needs to be the same, but just a little less than the Free T3.

!!! TSH needs to be almost ZERO! (TSH is not a thyroid hormone and we won't

die if it's not measurable).

Low functioning thyroid = bone loss, poor circulation, metabolism breaking

down exponentially...

Seriously, you guys should absolutely visit www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

Read it all. I don't think I could have done a better job with that website.

I refer all folks new to the thyroid " thang " to this website. I feel that if

they know what's what

right off the bat, they're going to be dealing with their health in a more

informed, and hopefully

more successful way.

Sam

(thyroid-less, ovary-less and Armour-ized)

k9gang@...

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

Re: Question about SamE

> No I will look. My mom's FT3 is in the middle range.

>

> >

> > In a message dated 3/3/2006 12:30:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > merryr@... writes:

> >

> > Her thyroid could stand to be lower couldn't it?

> >

> > , with heart patients, I know the FT3 should stay around the

> middle

> > range....maybe just above, and the FT4 can go to up to top of

> range......it's OK

> > to have a supressed TSH, as far as I know, if your on thyroid

> meds, it will

> > be, LOL.....did you ever ck out Sam's site

> > _http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/?page_id=18_

> > (http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/?page_id=18)

> >

March 3, 2006

I didn't mean to sound like " I " did that website. Janie did it and it's

awesome.

I said " I don't think I could have done a better job with that website. "

And I should have said

I don't think I could have done a better job with that website, if I made it

myself.

OK? <blush>

BTW, I've increased my Armour to 8 grains and I feel awesome... ))

Sam

k9gang@...

Re: Question about SamE

>

> > No I will look. My mom's FT3 is in the middle range.

> >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 3/3/2006 12:30:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > > merryr@... writes:

> > >

> > > Her thyroid could stand to be lower couldn't it?

> > >

> > > , with heart patients, I know the FT3 should stay around the

> > middle

> > > range....maybe just above, and the FT4 can go to up to top of

> > range......it's OK

> > > to have a supressed TSH, as far as I know, if your on thyroid

> > meds, it will

> > > be, LOL.....did you ever ck out Sam's site

> > > _http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/?page_id=18_

> > > (http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/?page_id=18)

> > >

>

> click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

>

> **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as

medical advice.**

>

March 3, 2006

Oh CLEARLY my mom is a mess. These doctors sit with heads up their

a----es and a room full of patients overbooked! This is totally

freaking me out that they could care less about the thyroid issue.

In the meantime, my mother sits with EVERY symptom of hypo T. I

think my sister has the right idea. She doesn't go to ANY doctors!

> > >

> > > In a message dated 3/3/2006 12:30:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > > merryr@ writes:

> > >

> > > Her thyroid could stand to be lower couldn't it?

> > >

> > > , with heart patients, I know the FT3 should stay around

the

> > middle

> > > range....maybe just above, and the FT4 can go to up to top of

> > range......it's OK

> > > to have a supressed TSH, as far as I know, if your on thyroid

> > meds, it will

> > > be, LOL.....did you ever ck out Sam's site

> > > _http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/?page_id=18_

> > > (http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/?page_id=18)

> > >

>

March 3, 2006

Thank you Sam, by the way. And is a T3 Uptake the same thing as

Free T3?

> > >

> > > In a message dated 3/3/2006 12:30:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> > > merryr@ writes:

> > >

> > > Her thyroid could stand to be lower couldn't it?

> > >

> > > , with heart patients, I know the FT3 should stay around

the

> > middle

> > > range....maybe just above, and the FT4 can go to up to top of

> > range......it's OK

> > > to have a supressed TSH, as far as I know, if your on thyroid

> > meds, it will

> > > be, LOL.....did you ever ck out Sam's site

> > > _http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/?page_id=18_

> > > (http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/?page_id=18)

> > >

>

March 3, 2006

He only did the Free T4 for whatever reason. Remember - a

cardiologist. Who the hell knows what he is looking for. But her

TSH (2.34) SCREAMS low thyroid. And of course the condition the

woman is in. Please will someone give me Dr. HOUSE??

> > > > >

> > > > > In a message dated 3/3/2006 12:30:39 PM Pacific Standard

Time,

> > > > > merryr@ writes:

> > > > >

> > > > > Her thyroid could stand to be lower couldn't it?

> > > > >

> > > > > , with heart patients, I know the FT3 should stay

around

> > the

> > > > middle

> > > > > range....maybe just above, and the FT4 can go to up to top

of

> > > > range......it's OK

> > > > > to have a supressed TSH, as far as I know, if your on

thyroid

> > > > meds, it will

> > > > > be, LOL.....did you ever ck out Sam's site

> > > > > _http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/?page_id=18_

> > > > > (http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/?page_id=18)

> > > > >

> > >

> >

> > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

> >

> > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not

intended as

> medical advice.**

> >

March 3, 2006

I watched one show where HOUSE Rx'd a synthetic T4 med. I yelled at the TV.

Seriously.

Any way you can stand up to the moron? Demand the correct tests and meds?

Maybe threaten a little? Sometimes that works for 'me', but then again I

have a habit of calling my idiot doctor " insane " . Actually, if I remember

correctly, I believe I threatened my 1st doc (the one that wrongly destroyed

my thyroid) with a malpractice suit if he didn't Rx Armour. So he did. He's

like 6'6 " and I'm 4' 11.5 " tall and I stood up to him and did not back down,

and I won.

Sam

(thyroid-less, ovary-less and Armour-ized)

k9gang@...

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

Re: Question about SamE

> He only did the Free T4 for whatever reason. Remember - a

> cardiologist. Who the hell knows what he is looking for. But her

> TSH (2.34) SCREAMS low thyroid. And of course the condition the

> woman is in. Please will someone give me Dr. HOUSE??

March 3, 2006

Sam... if you wouldn't mind, quick question: My TSH is 2.87. No Md.

will admit it is too high. IF I were to self treat with NatureThyroid,

how should I go about this? Dose and schedule, etc. I am clear about

my E symptoms, and my E dose, but just know I have some hypo-T

symptoms. I'll thank you ahead of time.

Eileen

> Thanks, ...

> I felt great on 7 grains, but I've learned along the way that the

> moment even ONE hypO symptom returns, it's imperative to increase my

> Armour. This time the first signs were puffy face in the morning and a

> little OCD starting. Uh-oh, so I upped by 1/2 grain. When I didn't

> feel the typical " zing " with an increase, I just bit the bullet and

> made it a 1 grain (60mg) increase, and that did the trick. Slight

> zing, and lights are brighter, eyes more awake, colors more vivid, OCD

> gone, puffy face gone, oops-when-I-cough gone (heh...heh...), my

> slight impatience gone. And in just 72 hours after the increase...

> Â

> Oh, um, I totally dose by symptoms... using blood tests, for me, is

> not wise (blood number are huge)...I think tissue levels are more

> important... (saliva testing)

> Â

> Sam

> (thyroid-less, ovary-lessÂ and Armour-ized)

> k9gang@...

> www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

> Â

>> Re: Re: Question about SamE

>>

>> In a message dated 3/3/2006 1:20:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,

>> k9gang@... writes:

>>> BTW, I've increased my Armour to 8 grains and I feel awesome... ))

>> Â YOU GO GURRLLLL )) <pig-oink.gif>Â Thanks for the help with

>> here, I'm a newbie

>> Â Â in roidland ,LOL ,

>>

>> click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

>>

>> **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not

>> intended as medical advice.**

>>

March 3, 2006

First off, I'm not a doctor, so take everything I say with a grain fo salt

(sea salt).

Initially when a human begins whole natural thyroid meds, it si wise to

first begin adrenal support.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/mistakes-patients-make/

When beginning a whole thyroid med, the typical starting dose is 1-2 grains

(60-120mg).

There may be an initial " get-used-to " period when cells wake up, but this

passes within a

week or so. When, and if, symptoms return in a few weeks, or months, an

increase in

dose is warranted (typical increase is 1/2 - 1 grain - 30-60mg). And in a

few weeks or

months if symptoms return, another increase is warranted. This may (or may

not) continue

until symptoms no longer return - this would be at the optimum dose for the

individual.

Please note that if thyroid tests are run, and you are at an optimal dose,

the Free T3 and

Free T4 will most likely be a bit above, or substantially above the high

normal range (my serum

levels are huge), and the TSH will be supressed. If saliva testing the

thyroid hormones, tissue

levels will be almost perfect. Interesting, huh?

When the thyroid is regulated, it's far easier to regulate the other

hormones.

Don't forget to read this website in detail...

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

And if you proceed with self-treating, is is wise to join a thyroid support

group such as

the Natural thyroid hormone Group

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormones/?yguid=181992203

or the Yahoo Thyroid Group.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thyroid/?yguid=181992203

Don't go it alone...seriously...

Sam

(thyroid-less, ovary-less and Armour-ized)

k9gang@...

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

Re: Re: Question about SamE

Sam... if you wouldn't mind, quick question: My TSH is 2.87. No Md. will

admit it is too high. IF I were to self treat with NatureThyroid, how should

I go about this? Dose and schedule, etc. I am clear about my E symptoms, and

my E dose, but just know I have some hypo-T symptoms. I'll thank you ahead

of time.

March 3, 2006

Sorry to interfere here.. i have a question..what about free T4? not serum...should it also be on the higher end of the range for optimal results? thank you, J. PS the website is great, i've forwarded it to a few people that had hypo symptoms for years while taking synthetic thyroid meds...Sam wrote: First off, I'm not a doctor, so take everything I say with a grain fo salt(sea salt).Initially when a human begins whole natural thyroid meds, it si wise tofirst begin adrenal support.http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/mistakes-patients-make/When beginning a whole thyroid med, the typical starting dose is 1-2 grains(60-120mg).There may be an initial "get-used-to" period when cells wake up, but thispasses within aweek or so. When, and if, symptoms return in a few weeks, or months, anincrease indose is warranted (typical increase is 1/2 - 1 grain - 30-60mg). And in afew weeks ormonths if symptoms return, another increase is warranted. This may (or maynot) continueuntil symptoms no longer return - this would be at the optimum dose for theindividual.Please note that if thyroid tests are run, and you are at an optimal dose,the Free T3 andFree T4 will most likely be a bit above, or substantially above the highnormal range (my serumlevels are huge), and the TSH will be supressed. If saliva testing thethyroid hormones,

tissuelevels will be almost perfect. Interesting, huh?When the thyroid is regulated, it's far easier to regulate the otherhormones.Don't forget to read this website in detail...http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/And if you proceed with self-treating, is is wise to join a thyroid supportgroup such asthe Natural thyroid hormone Grouphttp://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormones/?yguid=181992203or the Yahoo Thyroid Group.http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/thyroid/?yguid=181992203Don't go it alone...seriously...Sam(thyroid-less, ovary-less and Armour-ized)k9gang@...www.stopthethyroidmadness.com----- Original Message -----From: Atlanta GirlTo:

rhythmicliving Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 2:33 PMSubject: Re: Re: Question about SamESam... if you wouldn't mind, quick question: My TSH is 2.87. No Md. willadmit it is too high. IF I were to self treat with NatureThyroid, how shouldI go about this? Dose and schedule, etc. I am clear about my E symptoms, andmy E dose, but just know I have some hypo-T symptoms. I'll thank you aheadof time.

#define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare

March 3, 2006

>I have a question..what about free T4? not serum...should

>it also be on the higher end of the range for optimal results?

Yes, but just a bit less then the Free T3.

T4 is a storage hormone. T3 come from T4. T3 is the work-horse,

and that which our brains (for example) hunger for in order to function.

>PS the website is great, i've forwarded it to a few people that

>had hypo symptoms for years while taking synthetic thyroid meds...

Forward it far and wide. Maybe all those 1 in 10 people o the planet with

thyroid issues will get wise and get healthy. <grin>

Sam

(thyroid-less, ovary-less and Armour-ized)

k9gang@...

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

March 3, 2006

Thank you..that's excellent info.. I did read last night in Vliet's book that T3 converts into T4..and even if the tests are normal it doesn't mean that the conversion is happening successfully. My T3 is mid range...my free T4 is 1.0..with TSH of 1.4...i have almost every hypo symptom in the book...it sound like hypo, right? also is it save to use natural thyroid supplements while pregnant? thanx again for all the wonderful knowledge. -J.Sam wrote: >I have a question..what about free T4? not serum...should>it also be on the higher end of the range for optimal results?Yes, but just a bit less then the Free T3.T4 is a storage hormone. T3 come from T4. T3 is the work-horse,and that which our brains (for example)

hunger for in order to function. >PS the website is great, i've forwarded it to a few people that>had hypo symptoms for years while taking synthetic thyroid meds...Forward it far and wide. Maybe all those 1 in 10 people o the planet withthyroid issues will get wise and get healthy. <grin>Sam(thyroid-less, ovary-less and Armour-ized)k9gang@...www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

#define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare

March 3, 2006

>I did read last night in Vliet's book that T3 converts into T4..

>and even if the tests are normal it doesn't mean that the conversion

>is happening successfully.

Correct.

>My T3 is mid range...my free T4 is 1.0..with TSH of 1.4...

What about the Free T3? It's the " frees " that are important.

Seriously, the Free T3 (your T3 that's circulating and available) should

be a bit on the high side.

>i have almost every hypo symptom in the book...it sound like hypo,

>right?

If you feel like crap and your body temp is 98 or below, you're probably

right.

>also is it save to use natural thyroid supplements while pregnant?

Whole natural thyroid meds are the best. If one is pregnant and hypO, the

body

will tap the thyroid hormones from the fetus, which can be disasterous or

fatal

to the fetus. Synthetic T4 does not always do the job (I personally think

it's crap).

Giving the body ALL the thyroid hormones when there's a need for them, seems

to

do a better job. I think it's at about 20 weeks that the fetus develops a

thyroid that

a hypO mother's body can sap, and this is, so I'm told, about the time most

miscarrages

occur (I just read this on the Yahoo thyroid group this morning).

Sam

(thyroid-less, ovary-less and Armour-ized)

k9gang@...

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

March 3, 2006

unfortunately, i don't have a number for free T3..i think i don't..i am at work right now and can't look it up..i had uptake T3 and free T4..and TSH..if i don't..i'll test that next...my main symptom is insomnia..it started about 2 weeks ago, about 3 days since the blood test...i get all the feelings of low E at night yet i haven't changed the dose of E, at least not down. And i know i am still not ovulating...so it has to be something else..after all the talk of the connection between E and thyroid, i suscpect thyroid..temperature wise..i feel mine been up and down...all over the map...the same with blood pressure...one minute it's low, another minute it's high...Again thanx for all the thyroid tips...if this is where my problem is, and i'll be able to sleep..i'll be soo very greatful! -J.Sam wrote: >I did read last night in Vliet's book that T3 converts into T4..>and even if the tests are normal it doesn't mean that the conversion>is happening successfully.Correct.>My T3 is mid range...my free T4 is 1.0..with TSH of 1.4...What about the Free T3? It's the "frees" that are important.Seriously, the Free T3 (your T3 that's circulating and available) shouldbe a bit on the high side.>i have almost every hypo symptom in the book...it sound like hypo,>right?If you feel like crap and your body temp is 98 or below, you're probablyright.>also is it save to use natural thyroid supplements while pregnant?Whole natural thyroid meds are the best. If one is pregnant and hypO, thebodywill tap the thyroid hormones from the fetus, which can be disasterous orfatalto the fetus. Synthetic T4 does not always do the job (I personally thinkit's

crap).Giving the body ALL the thyroid hormones when there's a need for them, seemstodo a better job. I think it's at about 20 weeks that the fetus develops athyroid thata hypO mother's body can sap, and this is, so I'm told, about the time mostmiscarragesoccur (I just read this on the Yahoo thyroid group this morning).Sam(thyroid-less, ovary-less and Armour-ized)k9gang@...www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

#define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare

March 3, 2006

It's a generational thing...they believe their doctors as if they were

priests. Also the threat of a heart attack will trump all other loyalties

and concerns. It can always be waved like a magic wand by their doctors

to get them to obey.

Cardios don't know about thyroid issues.

I gave my mom Armour but it sits in her medicine cabinet.

At 03:27 PM 3/3/2006, you wrote:

In a message dated

3/3/2006 12:21:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, merryr@...

writes:

I've been tempted to give my mom my Armour - but she's on a lot of

other meds. I'm printing this OUT for her. I know

this and you

know this all, but try telling an 82 year old!! And she is taken

care of by a cardiologist and you know how they are. They are

demi-

gods! I'm sure I'd have to BEG him to treat her for

hypo-T!

, worth a shot, then you'll know you did what you could,

my mother in law is in the same boat, BUT she believes her Dr.......I can

see her labs are low thyroid, E, and they won't even give her a E

patch......it is SICK!!!!!!!!!!!! but I tried:))) good luck, XOXOXO

L

click here for our webpage

http://rhythmicliving.com/

**The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended

as medical advice.**

March 3, 2006

Too late? They will TAKE YOU OFF E if you've been doing very well on it

for years....because you turned 60!!!!

" You know, it's time to start decomposing, girl! You've had

your day in the sun! "

At 03:29 PM 3/3/2006, you wrote:

In a message dated

3/3/2006 12:23:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, merryr@...

writes:

Also, doctors don't want to treat older women with E. They

claim

its too late!!!

makes me want to do a testicle-cktomyyyyyyyyyyy on them

!!!!!!!!!!!!!! L

click here for our webpage

http://rhythmicliving.com/

**The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended

as medical advice.**

March 4, 2006

dear, listen: all your Mom can do is try out different natural (i.e.

harmless) options, although it needs a few days up to a week or two, to

" take " , especially if her body is used to pain

d r u g s. I take several of them that I alternate with, because of my

fibromyalgia and osteo- plus in one place rheumatoid arthritis. Right now I

have to take pretty much all of them, once or twice/day. Arthritis is pain

in the joints, and fibromyalgia is pain in the muscles/nerves. Both of mine

come and go in waves, usually several hours a day, mostly bad first part of

the day. Walking, though often painful at the start, is very important, to

get the circulation/nutrients to the pain-places.

I too, like your Mom, sometimes have that pain down the leg that feels like

the sciatic spasm, from the waist down, especially when there is rain

forecast...

(Let me just mention that when I was on the WP, I hardly felt any of those

pains, and now since I take Lugol's iodine drops 2-4/day, for the thyroid

(don't need Armour anymore), I also sleep much better, it also helps my the

adrenals to better cope with (pain-) stress. Btw Dr. Abrams says that

iodine/iodide protects a l l the organs of the body from cancer.

When I'm really in pain I usually can't sleep well either. For both

complaints the body needs more support for pain relief with production of

serotonin in the brain, which happens when I take

- 3-5 times/day, (plus melatonin at night)

100mg 5 HTP + 1 St. 's Wort herbal capsule + 1-100mg B complex

Furthermore I take, distributed over the day :

- " Avovida " or whatever name product that has a combo of avocado and soy

extract combination, morning and night.

- " Hyal joint " Hyaluronic acid with it

- " Celadrin " , 3 capsules, another - newest and praised - group of fatty

acids for bones, 1-2x/day

- Bromelain 500-1000 mg 2-3x/day between meals

- Niacinamide 3-5x/day 250mg every 3 hours when needed, I halve the 500mg

capsules since it has to be 250mg (according to Dr. newsletters, one

of the best international MD/NDs).

- 1500mg Glucosamine + 500mg MSM + 1Vit D capsule + 1Boron

+ 8grams of whey protein powder (about tsp which I mix into some tea or

juice, it is pre-digested and goes right to the repair-needing places)

It works very well for me to also take with it:

- Salmon or Perilla (with enough jOmega 3) EFAs oils 3-5 capsules with

meals if possible, and 1 tbsp coconut oil, (the SPECTRUM brand is easy to

take on a piece of rye bread with a

little salt, mmmhh!)

If your Mom has trouble swallowing severl/many pills by themselves, have her

take it in some fruit or avocado juice a n d water.

So there you have the smorgasbord from which you can choose. You may not

like it because you like the simple solutions. But it sure beats going to

the hospital (and catching pneumonia jor something else...?) When it comes

to heal at the cause with naturalmeans, and not the symptoms with drugs,

it's a bit more complicated, especially when it's gotten chronic..!.

You can get many of these supplements from Swanson's catalogue (i-net), far

cheaper than the healthfood stores, since your Mom needs a lot of them round

the clock if it's bad.

These natural food supplements pretty much all work together.

You may already know that for older folks or those with aches and pains, it

is very important to take food enzymes with meals so the body can better

accomplish digestion (of especially protein and fats) so it won't produce

toxic proteins that attack body tissue/bone. Anti oxidants are a must, too.

Good night, and good luck !(have you seen that movie?)

Love,

Charlotte

Question about SamE

>>

>> > Do I remember someone saying that SamE affects estrogen?

> Couldn't

>> > find a past post. Let me know any experiences good or bad. My

> doctor

>> > wanted me to take it. 200mg at noon.

>> >

>> > Sonii

>> >

>> > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

>> >

>> > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not

> intended as

>> > medical advice.**

>> >

March 7, 2006

For example, my HEALTHY thyroid gland was destroyed by a dr because I brokemy back... Oh wait, I had a surprise accidental hysterectomy at age 21 whenI only went in to get my tubes tied.....doctors sure are something, huh? ButI digress...

SAM, I am so sorry they did that to you !!!!!!!!!!!!! (((

I felt raped after mine, and I knew they were doing it to me, can't imagine how you felt

( HUGS, XOX

March 7, 2006

Hi Charlotte -- I thank you in advance for all your suggestions. My

mom is quite another story that is too complicated to go into here--

I have just successfully gotten her to see an osteopath and she's

going for therapy and that is a big plus because she never took care

of her pain in any way with any supplement or hormone. Doctors gave

her Premarin and she gained 30 pounds so she stopped it and that was

that. She now is caretaker of my dad who in an invalid and she

barely has time to get to the doctor for her own problems. I can't

give her this stuff without being seen by someone - preferably a

thyroid doctor. She is allergic to EVERYTHING. She gets hives that

are to die from and she's had that problem all her life. Her body

is SCREAMING thyroid problems, but none of her doctors send her to a

thyroid doc. They just give her medication to treat her symptoms.

I can't forget the time I went to my dermatologist with dermatitis

so bad (many years ago) and I asked him what causes this? He just

looked at me and rolled his eyes and handed me a tube of cream.

They aren't interested in getting to the cause are they?

- In rhythmicliving , " Charlotte N. "

wrote:

>

> dear, listen: all your Mom can do is try out different

natural (i.e.

> harmless) options, although it needs a few days up to a week or

two, to

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