RE: Re: Thyroid and hormones

[Guest guest]

I would think the

cold sweats would be low adrenal function.. Have you tried taking some

unrefined salt? That will help the adrenals. Brownstein recommends taking ¼- ½ t.

sea salt in water in the morning. I have not tried it in the morning, but this

afternoon when I was feeling low adrenal, I tried it, and it worked wonders. I

have low blood pressure through. Do you?

My son with low adrenal

function just pours salt into his mouth all afternoon. I asked Woliner about

it, and he said he probably needs it. I let him do it. At lease the unrefined

sea salt has minerals in it.

The iodine acts

like thyroid for me. People have been known to get off the thyroid meds

completely with enough of the stuff. I have some idoral pills, and when I take

them, I cut my armour in ½ for the day. Otherwise I am hyper. I have only tried

this a few times, because I am actually scared to add another thing into my mix

right now, but I am sure I could decrease my armour with iodine.

nne

I had my anti-bodies tested, none to be

found ???? My TSH and FT3 & FT4 all got weird with the addition of,( this is

a guess), first higher doses of NT, then I started oral and topical

IODINE.....got really wiggy on that, so went to just the T3.....went from 5mcg

to 20mcgs in a few weeks....started feeling hyper, so stopped everything, and

felt better, did more E and am just on the cold side, BUT NO more hyper

feelings, THANK GOD:))) . So I can't wait to see what THIS blood work will look

like. I know I am hypo, BUT does my BRAIN???? stay-tuned, LOL. OH, is it hypO

to get sweaty when you're cold??? I feel like my thyroid is working overtime,

so it makes me sweat, does that makes sense??? ))

[Guest guest]

Val,

It is not written

that way, but I know of a few Hashi’s patients that would never be found

due to their low TSH, and the PC doc not testing any further. As Woliner

said in the article; with Hashi’s all the thyroid tests were off, so you

could not count on them for any accurate information. Wow, TSH 78! That

was certainly off the charts.

nne

Where is it written that with Hashi's, the

TSH is low. Mine was 78 at diagnosis and antibodies were in the 700

range. Hashi's indeed! For many people, the TSH works perfectly

well to diagnose hypothyroidism. For me, the TSH is a perfect barometer

of how much I need to be taking. Not so with everyone.

Val

[Guest guest]

If the pituitary is not functioning properly, it will not produce TSH in adequate amounts. If the doctor is not functioning, he will think a TSH of 10 is "borderline." In my case, the doctor was not functioning.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of nne Skoog

Val,

It is not written that way, but I know of a few Hashi’s patients that would never be found due to their low TSH, and the PC doc not testing any further. As Woliner said in the article; with Hashi’s all the thyroid tests were off, so you could not count on them for any accurate information. Wow, TSH 78! That was certainly off the charts.

nne

Where is it written that with Hashi's, the TSH is low. Mine was 78 at diagnosis and antibodies were in the 700 range. Hashi's indeed! For many people, the TSH works perfectly well to diagnose hypothyroidism. For me, the TSH is a perfect barometer of how much I need to be taking. Not so with everyone.

[Guest guest]

Well thyroid and adrenal go hand in hand.

Which came first many never figure out! Have you read Peatfield? He is my favorite

on that I think. Just looking thru some notes, and I see…excessive

sweating with exercise…adrenal. Could that apply? It definitely does to

me. I thought it was because I live in Fl. but with E, I don’t do it any

more.

My doc tells one to use magnesium and B6

for adrenals. This combo helped my son when he was so freaked out by loud noises

that we couldn’t even take him to the beach due to the sound of the surf!

Sounds like you do not need any more

iodine. Sea veggies will do the trick. As for your mom, she probably needed

adrenal help due to the salt craving.

I think each of these hormones increase

metabolism. You must have good adrenals to keep up with it all. I think that is

my entire problem. Too many metabolism enhancers, and not enough calories or nutrients

to sustain it.

Thanks a bunch,

nne

I did NOT like the way I felt on

Iodoral or oral Lugols, seem to dry me up, inside and out....

I couldn't feel my E at all either, and

it made me really hyper. I eat seaweed and use sea-veggies, also use the REAL

SALT too:)) love that stuff, I try to balance my salt intake some , it

displaces your potassium.....my mom was low thyroid and was on synthroid, she

used to eat everything covered in salt, I can't help think that was a big clue

she needed more thyroid meds???? I have read Brownsteins book, as well as Dr.

Derry's.....he tried to help me via e-mail.....how I got so much iodine in me,

and T3...........I have an odd little body ))) I'll try the AM salt water,

LOL....I just soaked my feet in HOT seaweed and mag. water, AHHHH felt good and

they're warm now:)) I only get that hot pits thing when I'm cold, like my roid

is yelling at me for help:)) that would be when I should go paint my breast

with iodine, I like that, LOL )

[Guest guest]

LOL LOL LOL The truth hurts when you laugh!!!

That's a good one, Val!! Carolyn

--- Valarie wrote:

> If the pituitary is not functioning properly, it

> will not produce TSH in

> adequate amounts. If the doctor is not functioning,

> he will think a TSH of

> 10 is " borderline. " In my case, the doctor was not

> functioning.

>

> Val

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: rhythmicliving

> [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of

> nne Skoog

>

>

> Val,

>

> It is not written that way, but I know of a few

> Hashi's patients that

> would never be found due to their low TSH, and the

> PC doc not testing any

> further. As Woliner said in the article; with

> Hashi's all the thyroid tests

> were off, so you could not count on them for any

> accurate information. Wow,

> TSH 78! That was certainly off the charts.

>

> nne

>

>

>

> Where is it written that with Hashi's, the TSH is

> low. Mine was 78 at

> diagnosis and antibodies were in the 700 range.

> Hashi's indeed! For many

> people, the TSH works perfectly well to diagnose

> hypothyroidism. For me,

> the TSH is a perfect barometer of how much I need to

> be taking. Not so with

> everyone.

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Selenium is supposed to help you convert T4 to T3. Since you were already getting a bit more T3 in the NT than the bio-identical 10%, the selenium could have been too much? I am still wondering if I added a bit of T4 to my armour, I would have more in reserve…..nne

YES!!!!!!! that is what it felt like to me on the NT, that I had tooo much T3......jumping, and sweating, heart palps ect...., so what do they do give me T3 YIKES.....may just need some T4, LOLLOLLOL. I am feeling better with the increase of E and a dash of Test. My only issue is the cold hands and feet, low body temp......I am up though from this summer, waking temp was 96.5.....now I'm 97.4.........did my labs yesterday, had to go to different Dr. my GP. He as not a clue as to what I've been doing, LOL.....the test will be interesting. According to Dr. Dery, I should just go back to the way I was before the iodine and the T3, hmmmm we'll see.

My OB doc is afraid I have a pituitary tumor or something, gezzzzzzzzzzz that's all I need.

SO for NOW, my RX, LOLLOL plenty of E and a dash of Test.....good food, laughter:)) I will wait on the thyroid meds. til I see labs, may ONLY need a dash of T4????? Thanks for help, nne ) L

[Guest guest]

Val, How do you support the pituitary gland?

Thanks,

nne

> If the pituitary is not functioning properly, it

> will not produce TSH in

> adequate amounts. If the doctor is not functioning,

> he will think a TSH of

> 10 is "borderline." In my case, the doctor was not

> functioning.

>

> Val

MY TSH was 0.023...............mine is hyper, BUT my T4 was very low, so my brian thinks I have too mush T4....but I don't?????????

[Guest guest]

FT3 -2.3, FT4.71.

Liz, what are the ranges on that from YOUR lab????? you sound low thyroid too,

did you try E in the sweaty times, to rule out night sweats??

[Guest guest]

2.3 is the bottom of low. .71 is almost bottom of low.

I have not tried the E in the early morning. What's weird is I can roll over and my heart will pound and I will start sweating.

Liz, that is how I am on LOW E........or too much T3. I keep my OOE by the bed, didn't need any last night, but there are times I wake and if my mind is too busy, I do a dot of E and go right back to sleep. ALSO are you doing DHEA, AND did you get Vliets new Test. book. Test. is important for sleep too. Maybe that's why my sleep is SO IMPROVED, I'm doing a baby dose of T and keeping my E up...she mentions DHEA or Test...should not be used til E is up, but too much DHEA can give all the symptoms you listed, essepcially if your E is low.

Looks like you'll need thyroid too...gezzzzzzzzz where's a good Dr. for you!!!! HUGS

[Guest guest]

Maybe that is why I don’t need so much E, my thyroid was optimal first.

nne

GOOD POINT, nne:))))

[Guest guest]

sweaty/clammy,

Sam, I get the sweaty clammy thing just setting there feeling calm, BUT the enviorment is cold...........THAT'S when I get the sweaty clammy thing, if it's cold out, or if I don't have the heat going?????????????Sure feels like I'm trying to jump start my battery, LOLLOL. Flooded my tank, LOL

[Guest guest]

Val, How do you support the pituitary

gland?

Thanks,

nne

> If the pituitary is not functioning properly, it

> will not produce TSH in

> adequate amounts. If the doctor is not functioning,

> he will think a TSH of

> 10 is " borderline. " In my case, the

doctor was not

> functioning.

>

> Val

[Guest guest]

Selenium is supposed to help you convert

T4 to T3. Since you were already getting a bit more T3 in the NT than the bio-identical

10%, the selenium could have been too much? I am still wondering if I added a

bit of T4 to my armour, I would have more in reserve…..nne

NOPE.I don't sweat that much, did

when I was on 2 1/2 gns NT, BUT not now, only if I'm cold, but it's more like

just sticky armpits, LOLLOL.......but odd, cause I'm cold when it happens. I

read where inapporiate sweating is hyper, I have some mixed symptoms, I'm not

fat, I am active, hmmmmm do lots of good B's zinc selinium ect.......had a

thought maybe I convert to T3 to fast from my T4 reserves???? Off to feed

my hubby, BYEEEEE til AM )) XOXOX

[Guest guest]

I have a question re: adrenals. I have been going through major anxiety 24/7. No sleep, etc. My TSH - is .99 FT3 -2.3, FT4.71. I have major sweating from around 4am until I get up. I am not sleeping at all without drugs and even that is minimal amount of time. Appetite sucks. I have low body temp most of the time. Less than 98.0. I have low body weight. BP is usually a bit lower than normal, though it has gone up since the anxiety has started. I'm on Zoloft and using xanex to help but I KNOW it's got to be something else, other than low serotonin . I am also using 9 mgs of E cream each day.

Any thoughts on adrenals? Support them with Cortef or Delta and then try some Armour? Or do I leave things alone and hope that I can continue on

Thanks!

Liz

[Guest guest]

2.3 is the bottom of low. .71 is almost bottom of low.

I have not tried the E in the early morning. What's weird is I can roll over and my heart will pound and I will start sweating.

FT3 -2.3, FT4.71.

Liz, what are the ranges on that from YOUR lab????? you sound low thyroid too,

did you try E in the sweaty times, to rule out night sweats??

[Guest guest]

Sounds like you

need E in the middle of the night, and thyroid. The adrenals will try and make

up for the lack of thyroid, and stress them out.

Are you using

armour now? The E will lower your thyroid too. And T3 will lower you E.

Balancing it all can be difficult. It is for me. I know Vilet says to balance

the E first, then add thyroid. But I did it the other way. Maybe that is why I

don’t need so much E, my thyroid was optimal first.

nne

2.3 is the bottom of low. .71 is almost

bottom of low.

I have not tried the E in the early

morning. What's weird is I can roll over and my heart will pound and I will

start sweating.

[Guest guest]

>2.3 is the bottom of low. ..71 is almost bottom of low.

Ouch! Ow! Ow! Ow! HypO " numbers " .

>I have not tried the E in the early morning. What's weird is

>I can roll over and my heart will pound and I will start sweating.

Adrenal support and thyroid meds, " then " the E.

You know the thyroid controls the entire metabolism? All of it.

My opinion is to balance the thyroid hormones/adrenals and " then "

the BHRT for best results. But, guys, about the " hypEr feeling "

sweaty/clammy,

heart beaty, sometimes breathy/out-of-breath or heavy chest stuff when on,

say, a

whole natural thyroid med is soooooooo blatantly adrenal. Ya gotta address

that stuff

when trying to get the thyroid hormones back to the correct levels.

Sam

(the thyroidless ovary-less wonder)

k9gang@...

[Guest guest]

I don't know.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of nne Skoog

Val, How do you support the pituitary gland?

Thanks,

nne

> If the pituitary is not functioning properly, it

> will not produce TSH in

> adequate amounts. If the doctor is not functioning,

> he will think a TSH of

> 10 is "borderline." In my case, the doctor was not

> functioning.

[Guest guest]

Sam, in your opinion what would be the thing to do first? I'm a little nervous to start on anything as I don't know what I'm doing. Should I start cortef or delta and then armour? I really feel so helpless right now. My mind sucks from all the drugs I'm doing and I'm weak and tired. Would starting adrenal support be okay even though I can feel my adrenaline pumping in me? Or should I start with a tiny bit of armour?

Thanks for any suggestions,

Liz

>2.3 is the bottom of low. ..71 is almost bottom of low.Ouch! Ow! Ow! Ow! HypO "numbers".>I have not tried the E in the early morning. What's weird is>I can roll over and my heart will pound and I will start sweating.Adrenal support and thyroid meds, "then" the E.You know the thyroid controls the entire metabolism? All of it.My opinion is to balance the thyroid hormones/adrenals and "then"the BHRT for best results. But, guys, about the "hypEr feeling"sweaty/clammy,heart beaty, sometimes breathy/out-of-breath or heavy chest stuff when on,say, awhole natural thyroid med is soooooooo blatantly adrenal. Ya gotta addressthat stuffwhen trying to get the thyroid hormones back to the correct levels.Sam(the thyroidless ovary-less wonder)k9gang@...

[Guest guest]

I jumped up too fast on armour once, and got shaky. Everyone told me to take

Isocort. The more I took the worse I felt. I thought it had adrenaline and

cortisol in it, so I got cortef, that is only cortisone. It really helped

then, but now the cortef will make me feel hyper too. I heard it helped

convert the T4 to T3. When I'm feeling shaky, the last thing I want is more

T3. That is why if you have taken a lot of T4 in the past, Peatfield said to

go off the thyroid for 2 weeks , when going on adrenal support. Otherwise

you would get hyper from all that T4 now converting to T3. I suppose this

would apply if you were a poor converter. If you have no T4 to covert, then

you probably just need to start the armour.

Now I am trying to support my adrenals with salted water, and The B' 100's

and a bit or P cream helps too. My doc still supports adrenals with DHEA, up

to 100mg a day. Have you tried that? Also magnesium and tons of B6. Since

the cortef blocks E, I am trying to slowly get off of it entirely, so I

wouldn't suggest anyone start it up.

I have never tried the delta. Since it is more timed released it could be

the better start if you need more adrenal support.

And I hope you can feel better soon. It is very scary when we feel this bad.

My 2 cents...nne

..

Re: Re: Thyroid and hormones

I'm not a dr, so I don't know, BUT I started Armour and then the

Deltacortril.

I didn't start the Delta until I started feeling heart beaty, breathy, heavy

chested,

sweaty. I probably should have started adrenal support first, but I didn't

and

I was really really BAD hypO for years (almost dead), so my adrenals were

hugely

stressed anyway. It worked for me that way.

I don't know for you. Typically adrenal support is started for a week

beforehand,

but not always. I suppose if you're a little worried about being

over-adrenaled,

maybe start the thyroid med first and see 'if' you get hyper/adrenal

feelings and if

you do start with 2.5mg of Delta along with the thyroid meds. What do the

rest of you think?

Sam

k9gang@...

RE: Re: Thyroid and hormones

Sam, in your opinion what would be the thing to do first? I'm a little

nervous to start on anything as I don't know what I'm doing. Should I start

cortef or delta and then armour? I really feel so helpless right now. My

mind sucks from all the drugs I'm doing and I'm weak and tired. Would

starting adrenal support be okay even though I can feel my adrenaline

pumping in me? Or should I start with a tiny bit of armour?

Thanks for any suggestions,

Liz

>2.3 is the bottom of low. ..71 is almost bottom of low.

Ouch! Ow! Ow! Ow! HypO " numbers " .

>I have not tried the E in the early morning. What's weird is

>I can roll over and my heart will pound and I will start sweating.

Adrenal support and thyroid meds, " then " the E.

You know the thyroid controls the entire metabolism? All of it.

My opinion is to balance the thyroid hormones/adrenals and " then "

the BHRT for best results. But, guys, about the " hypEr feeling "

sweaty/clammy,

heart beaty, sometimes breathy/out-of-breath or heavy chest stuff when on,

say, a

whole natural thyroid med is soooooooo blatantly adrenal. Ya gotta address

that stuff

when trying to get the thyroid hormones back to the correct levels.

Sam

(the thyroidless ovary-less wonder)

k9gang@...

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[Guest guest]

I think it could

be GH? Isn’t the pituitary gland that functions well in childhood and

starts declining after growing is done?

Stab in the dark

here…

nne

I don't know.

Val, How do you support the pituitary

gland?

Thanks,

nne