Re: Sublingual intake of Armour

[Guest guest]

Hi Janie,

I was thinking the same thing (maybe she was some sort of " expert " or

something). You know, I went back there and did a search to see if

there were a lot of people having problems with Armour, and I really

didn't find anything. Quite to the contrary - lots of Armour

advocates. So, I just ran into a " bump in the road " so to speak. LOL

Zina

> > BANGING MY HEAD

> > AGAINST THE WALL! LOL

>

> You are so funny!!

>

>

> > Anyway, I think I will stay away from

> > there. They really are anti natural hormone.

>

> How can anyone with intelligence be anti-natural-hormone!!! Hmm.

> Maybe they are MD's or endo's. More laughing....

>

> Janie

[Guest guest]

Hi Gracia,

I'm sorry to tell you this, but Broda died on November 1,

1988. I know that Dr. Brownstein is a huge follower of Dr. '

ideas, is it him who is writing it?

Zina

>

> What forum was that? thyroid.about.com? Just curious

> I just heard that my Broda doc is wrting a book

called " WHAT TO DO WHEN THE DOCTOR TELLS YOU IT'S ALL IN YOUR

HEAD " !!!!!

> Gracia

>

>

> Hi Topper,

>

> Yep, I hear you loud and clear. I too want to make sure I get my

> Armour! That gal in the forum would not listen to a peep of

what

> I had to say.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Its the Thyroid Disease Forum at about.com.

Zina

>

> What forum was that? thyroid.about.com? Just curious

> I just heard that my Broda doc is wrting a book

called " WHAT TO DO WHEN THE DOCTOR TELLS YOU IT'S ALL IN YOUR

HEAD " !!!!!

> Gracia

>

>

> Hi Topper,

>

> Yep, I hear you loud and clear. I too want to make sure I get my

> Armour! That gal in the forum would not listen to a peep of

what

> I had to say.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You are Welcome Jill. I'm far from an expert, but I'm learning a lot

from this group. We are glad that you joined and hopefully you will

start feeling better.

Zina

> > Hi Jill,

> >

> > It takes about 45 minutes to an hour for the Armour to dissolve (I

> > put it between my cheek and gum). You don't want to drink or eat

> > anything while you are doing this. But, after that you can eat

and

> > drink as usual. You also can take your supplements, they won't

> > interfer with absorption. Actually, it is recommended to eat

first,

> > and then take the Armour sublingually. Taking it after a meal

> > reduces volatility of the blood-level of T3. Also, cut your pill

in

> > half and take one half after breakfast, and the other half after

> > dinner. I take my second half around three or four in the

afternoon

> > so I don't get the afternoon sleepies. I'm new at doing this -

just

> > started last week, but I've seen a big difference already.

> >

> > Zina

> > >

[Guest guest]

I have to agree with you 100%, !

Zina

> > I think that makes us all pretty darned smart... IMHO...

> >

> > Topper ()

> >

> personally, I think we have more info and brains than most doctors!

*LOL*

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, I know Broda barnes is dead LOL. I actually went to see him in 1978 in

CO. He gave me thyroid meds and they made me nervous so I didn't go back. I

had been told I was hyper and had a partial thyroidectomy, so I thought I didn't

need thyroid. Sad and stupid because I really did. The doc I have now is a

Broda doc (from their list). His name is Joe Py, D.O. like the weed, and

he is writing the book. He told me that I should have started out very slowly

on thyroid meds way back when. That's why I think the term " hyper " is so

misleading.

Gracia

Hi Gracia,

I'm sorry to tell you this, but Broda died on November 1,

1988. I know that Dr. Brownstein is a huge follower of Dr. '

ideas, is it him who is writing it?

Zina

>

> What forum was that? thyroid.about.com? Just curious

> I just heard that my Broda doc is wrting a book

called " WHAT TO DO WHEN THE DOCTOR TELLS YOU IT'S ALL IN YOUR

HEAD " !!!!!

> Gracia

>

>

> Hi Topper,

>

> Yep, I hear you loud and clear. I too want to make sure I get my

> Armour! That gal in the forum would not listen to a peep of

what

> I had to say.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There is someone over there who considers herself quite an expert, but I think

she doesn't know that much. She is a doctor wannabee. She is the one taking

estrogen for PCOS, remember what that is boobies? LOL

Hi Janie,

I was thinking the same thing (maybe she was some sort of " expert " or

something). You know, I went back there and did a search to see if

there were a lot of people having problems with Armour, and I really

didn't find anything. Quite to the contrary - lots of Armour

advocates. So, I just ran into a " bump in the road " so to speak. LOL

Zina

> > BANGING MY HEAD

> > AGAINST THE WALL! LOL

>

> You are so funny!!

>

>

> > Anyway, I think I will stay away from

> > there. They really are anti natural hormone.

>

> How can anyone with intelligence be anti-natural-hormone!!! Hmm.

> Maybe they are MD's or endo's. More laughing....

>

> Janie

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

That's a good idea. However, my vitamin is taken twice a day - three

capsules in each dose with meals. Plus I take Citracal twice a day

too, since the iron in my supplement interfers with my calcium

absorption. So, I don't want to take it all right at bedtime.

Unless I change my vitamin. Not sure. Good suggestion though.

Thanks.

Zina

> > Hey, I have a question for you or whoever may know the answer.

Now

> > that I'm taking half my dose in the morning, sublingually, and the

> > other half later in the day, I'm trying to figure out the best

> > routine for me in doing so.

>

> Take your vitamins before you go to bed. That would give your T3

all day to

> work without having the iron to bind to, and the iron all night to

digest

> before taking your thyroid pill!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Gracia,

ROTFLOL - I just went back and read your post, you wrote " my Broda

doctor " not that Broda doctor! Oh for Pete's sake!

LOL I'm not having a very good day today. Oh, well, at least I can

laugh at myself!

I need to check out your doctor. Does he have a website that I can

look at?

Zina

> >

> > What forum was that? thyroid.about.com? Just curious

> > I just heard that my Broda doc is wrting a book

> called " WHAT TO DO WHEN THE DOCTOR TELLS YOU IT'S ALL IN YOUR

> HEAD " !!!!!

> > Gracia

> >

> >

> > Hi Topper,

> >

> > Yep, I hear you loud and clear. I too want to make sure I

get my

> > Armour! That gal in the forum would not listen to a peep

of

> what

> > I had to say.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

LOL, Gracia you are so funny - quite the breath of fresh air,

actually!

Yah, her name is EmmaGX1.

Zina

> > > BANGING MY HEAD

> > > AGAINST THE WALL! LOL

> >

> > You are so funny!!

> >

> >

> > > Anyway, I think I will stay away from

> > > there. They really are anti natural hormone.

> >

> > How can anyone with intelligence be anti-natural-hormone!!!

Hmm.

> > Maybe they are MD's or endo's. More laughing....

> >

> > Janie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Hi ,

>

> That's a good idea. However, my vitamin is taken twice a day - three

> capsules in each dose with meals. Plus I take Citracal twice a day

> too, since the iron in my supplement interfers with my calcium

> absorption. So, I don't want to take it all right at bedtime.

> Unless I change my vitamin. Not sure. Good suggestion though.

> Thanks.

I feel ya,..mine is 2x a day, so I take one a few hours after my thyroid

meds (I get up at 5 am, take a pill, when I get to work I take my first

vitamin at 9 ish) and the other before bed. Hopefully by the time I am on

armour I can do my vitamin just once a day.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Okay, I think if I wait two hours or so after taking my Armour to

take my vitamins, I should be alright. Thanks again, oh wise one!

Zina

>

> > Hi ,

> >

> > That's a good idea. However, my vitamin is taken twice a day -

three

> > capsules in each dose with meals. Plus I take Citracal twice a

day

> > too, since the iron in my supplement interfers with my calcium

> > absorption. So, I don't want to take it all right at bedtime.

> > Unless I change my vitamin. Not sure. Good suggestion though.

> > Thanks.

>

> I feel ya,..mine is 2x a day, so I take one a few hours after my

thyroid

> meds (I get up at 5 am, take a pill, when I get to work I take my

first

> vitamin at 9 ish) and the other before bed. Hopefully by the time I

am on

> armour I can do my vitamin just once a day.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't know if he has a website but I will ask. He is very busy I guess

working in Maine and Mass. He is about 40, handsome, smart and charming, and

really committed to endocrine health. He is so understanding that I am sure he

has suffered thyroid problems himself.

Gracia

Hi Gracia,

ROTFLOL - I just went back and read your post, you wrote " my Broda

doctor " not that Broda doctor! Oh for Pete's sake!

LOL I'm not having a very good day today. Oh, well, at least I can

laugh at myself!

I need to check out your doctor. Does he have a website that I can

look at?

Zina

> >

> > What forum was that? thyroid.about.com? Just curious

> > I just heard that my Broda doc is wrting a book

> called " WHAT TO DO WHEN THE DOCTOR TELLS YOU IT'S ALL IN YOUR

> HEAD " !!!!!

> > Gracia

> >

> >

> > Hi Topper,

> >

> > Yep, I hear you loud and clear. I too want to make sure I

get my

> > Armour! That gal in the forum would not listen to a peep

of

> what

> > I had to say.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Zina..

I'm the first to admit that my regime is outrageous... but my system has

always been really sensitive to dosage changes and such so as I gradually

increased my dosage since I started taking thyroid again in July I did it

a quarter tablet at a time....

First it was 1 quarter a day, in the morning...after 6 weeks it was 1

quarter in the morning and the 2nd quarter 12 hours later....after 6

weeks it was one quarter in the morning.. 2nd quarter 6 hours later and

the 3rd quarter 6 hours after that...get the picture?

Vitamins were added to the regime in November (before that I couldn't

afford them so wasn't able to take any) Adrenal supplement was started in

November, daily, stopped in December... restarted in late February, now

taken every third day...Iron supplement started 1 week ago.

So... current schedule...

Wake up between 6 and 6:30

Out of bed between 6:30 and 7 am

8 oz of filtered water

7 am 1/2 grain OTC thyroid - sublingual

8 am 1/4 tablet adrenal supplement every 3rd day - sublingual

8:30 am breakfast followed by 1/3 tablet of generic vitamin (Centrum

Silver equivalent - no iron)

10 am 1/2 grain OTC thyroid - sublingual

noon lunch followed by 1/3 tablet of generic vitamin (Centrum Silver

equivalent - no iron)

1 pm 1/2 grain OTC thyroid - sublingual

2 pm only if hungry (growling tummy not just hungry in my head) piece of

plain homemade bread or cupcake (no icing)

4 pm 1/2 grain OTC thyroid - sublingual

5 pm dinner followed by 1/3 tablet of generic vitamin (Centrum Silver

equivalent - no iron)

7 pm 1/2 grain OTC thyroid - sublingual

10 pm 90% daily requirement of iron supplement (1/4 tablet) swallowed

with about 4 oz of water.

in bed between 10 and 10:30.. asleep between 10:30 and 11 (unless its a

bad night for pain.. then who knows...)

Exercises (stretching and isometrics) are done during the half hour after

waking and before sleeping.. while in bed.. more comfortable to do the

stuff on the bed then on the floor.

I work from home, that's why I can have such a weird schedule. Most of

the time my body reminds me it's time for a pill before the alarm goes

off to remind me.. I have a program on the computer that flashes a

reminder to take each pill so that I don't forget.

I DO NOT nap during the day.. if I can't sleep at night I'm SOL - that

has been the only way I've found to reduce bouts of insomnia... sleep has

to be during sleep time or I have to stay awake until next sleep time.. I

find that I have fewer problems with sleepless nights that way.

I don't have afternoon crashes.. but I do have some bad days where I'm

dead tired all day... haven't figured out the whys for that yet.. haven't

determined the pattern.

I have pretty much cut caffeine consumption down to nil.. it's now an

infrequent treat. I drink mostly filtered water (tap water is on a

softener and is too salty). I try to do at least a half gallon of water a

day... except for the half glass that I take with the iron tab at bed

time I stop drinking fluids about 2 hours before bed, it's really cut

down on midnight bathroom runs.. So I dont' wake during the night and

have trouble going back to sleep. Occasionally soft drinks or fruit

juice.

I'll be increasing my Thyroid intake by another quarter tab as soon as I

place my next order (I don't want to run out and I'm still a bit short on

money) since I'll be taking a tablet and a half at that point I plan on

taking half tablets (1 grain) per dose.. three times a day - 1/2 tablet

every 6 hours (so 7 am, 1 pm, and 7 pm)....

I don't know if that actually answers your question.. but I wanted to

share what my schedule was.. it does work for me.. someone with a really

dosage sensitive system.

Topper ()

http://toppertwo.tripod.com

On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:38:50 -0000 " thwacksplat "

writes:

> Hi Topper,

>

> You certainly hit the nail on the head! If you aren't open minded

> enough to listen to what other people are doing, you really limit

> what you can do for yourself.

>

> Hey, I have a question for you or whoever may know the answer. Now

> that I'm taking half my dose in the morning, sublingually, and the

> other half later in the day, I'm trying to figure out the best

> routine for me in doing so. Since I just learned that calcium/iron

> still may interfer with the absorption of thyroid hormone, I'm

> trying

> to figure out when to take my vitamins, now. So, after I take my

> Armour, how long do I need to wait to take my vitamins? Also, if I

> take my vitamins first, how long do I need to wait before I can take

> my Armour?

>

> Thanks. I certainly agree Topper, I've learned a ton in just the

> last several weeks in this group. I'm so glad I found all of you!

> I'd be lost without ya'll!

>

> Cheer!

>

> Zina

[Guest guest]

Oh wow, sounds like he's got it all! What a catch he would be.

LOL Could you imagine, being married to somebody like him - you'd

never have a problem with your thyroid and have a wealthy handsome

man to boot!

Zina

-- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Gracia " <circe@g...>

wrote:

>

> I don't know if he has a website but I will ask. He is very

busy I guess working in Maine and Mass. He is about 40, handsome,

smart and charming, and really committed to endocrine health. He is

so understanding that I am sure he has suffered thyroid problems

himself.

> Gracia

>

>

> Hi Gracia,

>

> ROTFLOL - I just went back and read your post, you wrote " my

Broda

> doctor " not that Broda doctor! Oh for Pete's

sake!

> LOL I'm not having a very good day today. Oh, well, at least I

can

> laugh at myself!

>

> I need to check out your doctor. Does he have a website that I

can

> look at?

>

> Zina

>

>

> > >

> > > What forum was that? thyroid.about.com? Just curious

> > > I just heard that my Broda doc is wrting a book

> > called " WHAT TO DO WHEN THE DOCTOR TELLS YOU IT'S ALL IN YOUR

> > HEAD " !!!!!

> > > Gracia

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Topper,

> > >

> > > Yep, I hear you loud and clear. I too want to make sure

I

> get my

> > > Armour! That gal in the forum would not listen to a

peep

> of

> > what

> > > I had to say.

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

>

> I don't know if he has a website but I will ask. He is very busy I

guess working in Maine and Mass. He is about 40, handsome, smart and

charming, and really committed to endocrine health. He is so understanding

that I am sure he has suffered thyroid problems himself.

> Gracia

The real question is: Is he married???

[Guest guest]

> Oh wow, sounds like he's got it all! What a catch he would be.

> LOL Could you imagine, being married to somebody like him - you'd

> never have a problem with your thyroid and have a wealthy handsome

> man to boot!

>

> Zina

He's my dream man...sigh.

[Guest guest]

> >

I'm in love, Gracia, please give him my number? He can call anytime. Really.

he can help me with my hormones.

[Guest guest]

Did you guys know that it's best to take your vitamins with meals? The

vitamins bind with components in the food that makes them work better....

And by splitting your vitamins to eat some with each meal is even

better.. it allows more efficient absorption...

Just something I learned with I was a body builder...

That is why I chose an iron free vitamin/mineral supplement when I was

able to afford vitamins again.. to be able to spread out the intake of

vitamins without the iron and calcium content of the vitamins interfering

with the absorption of the thyroid hormone. Now I've added just a simple

iron supplement at bedtime... to be taken just before bed.. to reduce the

effect on thyroid absorption while the iron is available in the blood

stream.

Topper ()

On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:02:04 -0500 " Jobes "

writes:

>

> > Hi ,

> >

> > That's a good idea. However, my vitamin is taken twice a day -

> three

> > capsules in each dose with meals. Plus I take Citracal twice a

> day

> > too, since the iron in my supplement interfers with my calcium

> > absorption. So, I don't want to take it all right at bedtime.

> > Unless I change my vitamin. Not sure. Good suggestion though.

> > Thanks.

>

> I feel ya,..mine is 2x a day, so I take one a few hours after my

> thyroid

> meds (I get up at 5 am, take a pill, when I get to work I take my

> first

> vitamin at 9 ish) and the other before bed. Hopefully by the time I

> am on

> armour I can do my vitamin just once a day.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh yes. He mentioned his wife to me and my friend (

He said he and his wife were writing the book WHAT TO DO WHEN THE DOCTOR

TELL'S YOU IT'S ALL IN YOUR HEAD together.

>

> I don't know if he has a website but I will ask. He is very busy I

guess working in Maine and Mass. He is about 40, handsome, smart and

charming, and really committed to endocrine health. He is so understanding

that I am sure he has suffered thyroid problems himself.

> Gracia

The real question is: Is he married???

[Guest guest]

LOL OK

that was my reaction too, when I saw him for the first time. I thought OMG

how am I going to go in the office and tell my life story to this brown eyed

handsome man. but he was so easy to talk too, a sweetheart.

> >

I'm in love, Gracia, please give him my number? He can call anytime. Really.

he can help me with my hormones.

[Guest guest]

the thing is, with these hormone docs, because they are so healthy, they have

a real sexuality to them. there's a little electricity in the air.

Gracia

Oh wow, sounds like he's got it all! What a catch he would be.

LOL Could you imagine, being married to somebody like him - you'd

never have a problem with your thyroid and have a wealthy handsome

man to boot!

Zina

[Guest guest]

>

> the thing is, with these hormone docs, because they are so healthy, they

have a real sexuality to them. there's a little electricity in the air.

> Gracia

>

Gracia! Shame on you for teasing me like that...and after telling me he's

married, too. Here I am heartbroken and you're talking about healthy sex, I

mean health and sexuality.

[Guest guest]

MMMMM sorry Miss " are you hiding your meat " ?

LOL

>

> the thing is, with these hormone docs, because they are so healthy, they

have a real sexuality to them. there's a little electricity in the air.

> Gracia

>

Gracia! Shame on you for teasing me like that...and after telling me he's

married, too. Here I am heartbroken and you're talking about healthy sex, I

mean health and sexuality.

[Guest guest]

>

> MMMMM sorry Miss " are you hiding your meat " ?

> LOL

>

>

ha ha ha ha ha.....

Still, if he ever gets divorced....you'll let me know?