Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 Hi Janie, I was thinking the same thing (maybe she was some sort of " expert " or something). You know, I went back there and did a search to see if there were a lot of people having problems with Armour, and I really didn't find anything. Quite to the contrary - lots of Armour advocates. So, I just ran into a " bump in the road " so to speak. LOL Zina > > BANGING MY HEAD > > AGAINST THE WALL! LOL > > You are so funny!! > > > > Anyway, I think I will stay away from > > there. They really are anti natural hormone. > > How can anyone with intelligence be anti-natural-hormone!!! Hmm. > Maybe they are MD's or endo's. More laughing.... > > Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 Hi Gracia, I'm sorry to tell you this, but Broda died on November 1, 1988. I know that Dr. Brownstein is a huge follower of Dr. ' ideas, is it him who is writing it? Zina > > What forum was that? thyroid.about.com? Just curious > I just heard that my Broda doc is wrting a book called " WHAT TO DO WHEN THE DOCTOR TELLS YOU IT'S ALL IN YOUR HEAD " !!!!! > Gracia > > > Hi Topper, > > Yep, I hear you loud and clear. I too want to make sure I get my > Armour! That gal in the forum would not listen to a peep of what > I had to say. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 Hi , Its the Thyroid Disease Forum at about.com. Zina > > What forum was that? thyroid.about.com? Just curious > I just heard that my Broda doc is wrting a book called " WHAT TO DO WHEN THE DOCTOR TELLS YOU IT'S ALL IN YOUR HEAD " !!!!! > Gracia > > > Hi Topper, > > Yep, I hear you loud and clear. I too want to make sure I get my > Armour! That gal in the forum would not listen to a peep of what > I had to say. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 You are Welcome Jill. I'm far from an expert, but I'm learning a lot from this group. We are glad that you joined and hopefully you will start feeling better. Zina > > Hi Jill, > > > > It takes about 45 minutes to an hour for the Armour to dissolve (I > > put it between my cheek and gum). You don't want to drink or eat > > anything while you are doing this. But, after that you can eat and > > drink as usual. You also can take your supplements, they won't > > interfer with absorption. Actually, it is recommended to eat first, > > and then take the Armour sublingually. Taking it after a meal > > reduces volatility of the blood-level of T3. Also, cut your pill in > > half and take one half after breakfast, and the other half after > > dinner. I take my second half around three or four in the afternoon > > so I don't get the afternoon sleepies. I'm new at doing this - just > > started last week, but I've seen a big difference already. > > > > Zina > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 I have to agree with you 100%, ! Zina > > I think that makes us all pretty darned smart... IMHO... > > > > Topper () > > > personally, I think we have more info and brains than most doctors! *LOL* > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 Hi, I know Broda barnes is dead LOL. I actually went to see him in 1978 in CO. He gave me thyroid meds and they made me nervous so I didn't go back. I had been told I was hyper and had a partial thyroidectomy, so I thought I didn't need thyroid. Sad and stupid because I really did. The doc I have now is a Broda doc (from their list). His name is Joe Py, D.O. like the weed, and he is writing the book. He told me that I should have started out very slowly on thyroid meds way back when. That's why I think the term " hyper " is so misleading. Gracia Hi Gracia, I'm sorry to tell you this, but Broda died on November 1, 1988. I know that Dr. Brownstein is a huge follower of Dr. ' ideas, is it him who is writing it? Zina > > What forum was that? thyroid.about.com? Just curious > I just heard that my Broda doc is wrting a book called " WHAT TO DO WHEN THE DOCTOR TELLS YOU IT'S ALL IN YOUR HEAD " !!!!! > Gracia > > > Hi Topper, > > Yep, I hear you loud and clear. I too want to make sure I get my > Armour! That gal in the forum would not listen to a peep of what > I had to say. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 There is someone over there who considers herself quite an expert, but I think she doesn't know that much. She is a doctor wannabee. She is the one taking estrogen for PCOS, remember what that is boobies? LOL Hi Janie, I was thinking the same thing (maybe she was some sort of " expert " or something). You know, I went back there and did a search to see if there were a lot of people having problems with Armour, and I really didn't find anything. Quite to the contrary - lots of Armour advocates. So, I just ran into a " bump in the road " so to speak. LOL Zina > > BANGING MY HEAD > > AGAINST THE WALL! LOL > > You are so funny!! > > > > Anyway, I think I will stay away from > > there. They really are anti natural hormone. > > How can anyone with intelligence be anti-natural-hormone!!! Hmm. > Maybe they are MD's or endo's. More laughing.... > > Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 Hi , That's a good idea. However, my vitamin is taken twice a day - three capsules in each dose with meals. Plus I take Citracal twice a day too, since the iron in my supplement interfers with my calcium absorption. So, I don't want to take it all right at bedtime. Unless I change my vitamin. Not sure. Good suggestion though. Thanks. Zina > > Hey, I have a question for you or whoever may know the answer. Now > > that I'm taking half my dose in the morning, sublingually, and the > > other half later in the day, I'm trying to figure out the best > > routine for me in doing so. > > Take your vitamins before you go to bed. That would give your T3 all day to > work without having the iron to bind to, and the iron all night to digest > before taking your thyroid pill! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 Hi Gracia, ROTFLOL - I just went back and read your post, you wrote " my Broda doctor " not that Broda doctor! Oh for Pete's sake! LOL I'm not having a very good day today. Oh, well, at least I can laugh at myself! I need to check out your doctor. Does he have a website that I can look at? Zina > > > > What forum was that? thyroid.about.com? Just curious > > I just heard that my Broda doc is wrting a book > called " WHAT TO DO WHEN THE DOCTOR TELLS YOU IT'S ALL IN YOUR > HEAD " !!!!! > > Gracia > > > > > > Hi Topper, > > > > Yep, I hear you loud and clear. I too want to make sure I get my > > Armour! That gal in the forum would not listen to a peep of > what > > I had to say. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 LOL, Gracia you are so funny - quite the breath of fresh air, actually! Yah, her name is EmmaGX1. Zina > > > BANGING MY HEAD > > > AGAINST THE WALL! LOL > > > > You are so funny!! > > > > > > > Anyway, I think I will stay away from > > > there. They really are anti natural hormone. > > > > How can anyone with intelligence be anti-natural-hormone!!! Hmm. > > Maybe they are MD's or endo's. More laughing.... > > > > Janie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 > Hi , > > That's a good idea. However, my vitamin is taken twice a day - three > capsules in each dose with meals. Plus I take Citracal twice a day > too, since the iron in my supplement interfers with my calcium > absorption. So, I don't want to take it all right at bedtime. > Unless I change my vitamin. Not sure. Good suggestion though. > Thanks. I feel ya,..mine is 2x a day, so I take one a few hours after my thyroid meds (I get up at 5 am, take a pill, when I get to work I take my first vitamin at 9 ish) and the other before bed. Hopefully by the time I am on armour I can do my vitamin just once a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 Hi , Okay, I think if I wait two hours or so after taking my Armour to take my vitamins, I should be alright. Thanks again, oh wise one! Zina > > > Hi , > > > > That's a good idea. However, my vitamin is taken twice a day - three > > capsules in each dose with meals. Plus I take Citracal twice a day > > too, since the iron in my supplement interfers with my calcium > > absorption. So, I don't want to take it all right at bedtime. > > Unless I change my vitamin. Not sure. Good suggestion though. > > Thanks. > > I feel ya,..mine is 2x a day, so I take one a few hours after my thyroid > meds (I get up at 5 am, take a pill, when I get to work I take my first > vitamin at 9 ish) and the other before bed. Hopefully by the time I am on > armour I can do my vitamin just once a day. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 I don't know if he has a website but I will ask. He is very busy I guess working in Maine and Mass. He is about 40, handsome, smart and charming, and really committed to endocrine health. He is so understanding that I am sure he has suffered thyroid problems himself. Gracia Hi Gracia, ROTFLOL - I just went back and read your post, you wrote " my Broda doctor " not that Broda doctor! Oh for Pete's sake! LOL I'm not having a very good day today. Oh, well, at least I can laugh at myself! I need to check out your doctor. Does he have a website that I can look at? Zina > > > > What forum was that? thyroid.about.com? Just curious > > I just heard that my Broda doc is wrting a book > called " WHAT TO DO WHEN THE DOCTOR TELLS YOU IT'S ALL IN YOUR > HEAD " !!!!! > > Gracia > > > > > > Hi Topper, > > > > Yep, I hear you loud and clear. I too want to make sure I get my > > Armour! That gal in the forum would not listen to a peep of > what > > I had to say. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 Zina.. I'm the first to admit that my regime is outrageous... but my system has always been really sensitive to dosage changes and such so as I gradually increased my dosage since I started taking thyroid again in July I did it a quarter tablet at a time.... First it was 1 quarter a day, in the morning...after 6 weeks it was 1 quarter in the morning and the 2nd quarter 12 hours later....after 6 weeks it was one quarter in the morning.. 2nd quarter 6 hours later and the 3rd quarter 6 hours after that...get the picture? Vitamins were added to the regime in November (before that I couldn't afford them so wasn't able to take any) Adrenal supplement was started in November, daily, stopped in December... restarted in late February, now taken every third day...Iron supplement started 1 week ago. So... current schedule... Wake up between 6 and 6:30 Out of bed between 6:30 and 7 am 8 oz of filtered water 7 am 1/2 grain OTC thyroid - sublingual 8 am 1/4 tablet adrenal supplement every 3rd day - sublingual 8:30 am breakfast followed by 1/3 tablet of generic vitamin (Centrum Silver equivalent - no iron) 10 am 1/2 grain OTC thyroid - sublingual noon lunch followed by 1/3 tablet of generic vitamin (Centrum Silver equivalent - no iron) 1 pm 1/2 grain OTC thyroid - sublingual 2 pm only if hungry (growling tummy not just hungry in my head) piece of plain homemade bread or cupcake (no icing) 4 pm 1/2 grain OTC thyroid - sublingual 5 pm dinner followed by 1/3 tablet of generic vitamin (Centrum Silver equivalent - no iron) 7 pm 1/2 grain OTC thyroid - sublingual 10 pm 90% daily requirement of iron supplement (1/4 tablet) swallowed with about 4 oz of water. in bed between 10 and 10:30.. asleep between 10:30 and 11 (unless its a bad night for pain.. then who knows...) Exercises (stretching and isometrics) are done during the half hour after waking and before sleeping.. while in bed.. more comfortable to do the stuff on the bed then on the floor. I work from home, that's why I can have such a weird schedule. Most of the time my body reminds me it's time for a pill before the alarm goes off to remind me.. I have a program on the computer that flashes a reminder to take each pill so that I don't forget. I DO NOT nap during the day.. if I can't sleep at night I'm SOL - that has been the only way I've found to reduce bouts of insomnia... sleep has to be during sleep time or I have to stay awake until next sleep time.. I find that I have fewer problems with sleepless nights that way. I don't have afternoon crashes.. but I do have some bad days where I'm dead tired all day... haven't figured out the whys for that yet.. haven't determined the pattern. I have pretty much cut caffeine consumption down to nil.. it's now an infrequent treat. I drink mostly filtered water (tap water is on a softener and is too salty). I try to do at least a half gallon of water a day... except for the half glass that I take with the iron tab at bed time I stop drinking fluids about 2 hours before bed, it's really cut down on midnight bathroom runs.. So I dont' wake during the night and have trouble going back to sleep. Occasionally soft drinks or fruit juice. I'll be increasing my Thyroid intake by another quarter tab as soon as I place my next order (I don't want to run out and I'm still a bit short on money) since I'll be taking a tablet and a half at that point I plan on taking half tablets (1 grain) per dose.. three times a day - 1/2 tablet every 6 hours (so 7 am, 1 pm, and 7 pm).... I don't know if that actually answers your question.. but I wanted to share what my schedule was.. it does work for me.. someone with a really dosage sensitive system. Topper () http://toppertwo.tripod.com On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:38:50 -0000 " thwacksplat " writes: > Hi Topper, > > You certainly hit the nail on the head! If you aren't open minded > enough to listen to what other people are doing, you really limit > what you can do for yourself. > > Hey, I have a question for you or whoever may know the answer. Now > that I'm taking half my dose in the morning, sublingually, and the > other half later in the day, I'm trying to figure out the best > routine for me in doing so. Since I just learned that calcium/iron > still may interfer with the absorption of thyroid hormone, I'm > trying > to figure out when to take my vitamins, now. So, after I take my > Armour, how long do I need to wait to take my vitamins? Also, if I > take my vitamins first, how long do I need to wait before I can take > my Armour? > > Thanks. I certainly agree Topper, I've learned a ton in just the > last several weeks in this group. I'm so glad I found all of you! > I'd be lost without ya'll! > > Cheer! > > Zina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 Oh wow, sounds like he's got it all! What a catch he would be. LOL Could you imagine, being married to somebody like him - you'd never have a problem with your thyroid and have a wealthy handsome man to boot! Zina -- In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Gracia " <circe@g...> wrote: > > I don't know if he has a website but I will ask. He is very busy I guess working in Maine and Mass. He is about 40, handsome, smart and charming, and really committed to endocrine health. He is so understanding that I am sure he has suffered thyroid problems himself. > Gracia > > > Hi Gracia, > > ROTFLOL - I just went back and read your post, you wrote " my Broda > doctor " not that Broda doctor! Oh for Pete's sake! > LOL I'm not having a very good day today. Oh, well, at least I can > laugh at myself! > > I need to check out your doctor. Does he have a website that I can > look at? > > Zina > > > > > > > > What forum was that? thyroid.about.com? Just curious > > > I just heard that my Broda doc is wrting a book > > called " WHAT TO DO WHEN THE DOCTOR TELLS YOU IT'S ALL IN YOUR > > HEAD " !!!!! > > > Gracia > > > > > > > > > Hi Topper, > > > > > > Yep, I hear you loud and clear. I too want to make sure I > get my > > > Armour! That gal in the forum would not listen to a peep > of > > what > > > I had to say. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 > > I don't know if he has a website but I will ask. He is very busy I guess working in Maine and Mass. He is about 40, handsome, smart and charming, and really committed to endocrine health. He is so understanding that I am sure he has suffered thyroid problems himself. > Gracia The real question is: Is he married??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 > Oh wow, sounds like he's got it all! What a catch he would be. > LOL Could you imagine, being married to somebody like him - you'd > never have a problem with your thyroid and have a wealthy handsome > man to boot! > > Zina He's my dream man...sigh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 > > I'm in love, Gracia, please give him my number? He can call anytime. Really. he can help me with my hormones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 Did you guys know that it's best to take your vitamins with meals? The vitamins bind with components in the food that makes them work better.... And by splitting your vitamins to eat some with each meal is even better.. it allows more efficient absorption... Just something I learned with I was a body builder... That is why I chose an iron free vitamin/mineral supplement when I was able to afford vitamins again.. to be able to spread out the intake of vitamins without the iron and calcium content of the vitamins interfering with the absorption of the thyroid hormone. Now I've added just a simple iron supplement at bedtime... to be taken just before bed.. to reduce the effect on thyroid absorption while the iron is available in the blood stream. Topper () On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:02:04 -0500 " Jobes " writes: > > > Hi , > > > > That's a good idea. However, my vitamin is taken twice a day - > three > > capsules in each dose with meals. Plus I take Citracal twice a > day > > too, since the iron in my supplement interfers with my calcium > > absorption. So, I don't want to take it all right at bedtime. > > Unless I change my vitamin. Not sure. Good suggestion though. > > Thanks. > > I feel ya,..mine is 2x a day, so I take one a few hours after my > thyroid > meds (I get up at 5 am, take a pill, when I get to work I take my > first > vitamin at 9 ish) and the other before bed. Hopefully by the time I > am on > armour I can do my vitamin just once a day. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 Oh yes. He mentioned his wife to me and my friend ( He said he and his wife were writing the book WHAT TO DO WHEN THE DOCTOR TELL'S YOU IT'S ALL IN YOUR HEAD together. > > I don't know if he has a website but I will ask. He is very busy I guess working in Maine and Mass. He is about 40, handsome, smart and charming, and really committed to endocrine health. He is so understanding that I am sure he has suffered thyroid problems himself. > Gracia The real question is: Is he married??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 LOL OK that was my reaction too, when I saw him for the first time. I thought OMG how am I going to go in the office and tell my life story to this brown eyed handsome man. but he was so easy to talk too, a sweetheart. > > I'm in love, Gracia, please give him my number? He can call anytime. Really. he can help me with my hormones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 the thing is, with these hormone docs, because they are so healthy, they have a real sexuality to them. there's a little electricity in the air. Gracia Oh wow, sounds like he's got it all! What a catch he would be. LOL Could you imagine, being married to somebody like him - you'd never have a problem with your thyroid and have a wealthy handsome man to boot! Zina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 > > the thing is, with these hormone docs, because they are so healthy, they have a real sexuality to them. there's a little electricity in the air. > Gracia > Gracia! Shame on you for teasing me like that...and after telling me he's married, too. Here I am heartbroken and you're talking about healthy sex, I mean health and sexuality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 MMMMM sorry Miss " are you hiding your meat " ? LOL > > the thing is, with these hormone docs, because they are so healthy, they have a real sexuality to them. there's a little electricity in the air. > Gracia > Gracia! Shame on you for teasing me like that...and after telling me he's married, too. Here I am heartbroken and you're talking about healthy sex, I mean health and sexuality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2003 Report Share Posted March 17, 2003 > > MMMMM sorry Miss " are you hiding your meat " ? > LOL > > ha ha ha ha ha..... Still, if he ever gets divorced....you'll let me know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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