Guest guest Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 Glad I didn't disappoint you. R > >>> > > > >>> > > Hi Reggie, > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > The difference is a philosophical one in which I do not want to > > make > >>> > > assumptions or become moralistic and dualistic in my thinking and > > out of > >>> > > this I am much less attached to any kind of ideal. To me it is > > totally > >>> > > compatible to be vegan and wear leather shoes or to be vegan for > > nine > >>> > > months, have some animal food and go back to being vegan again. > > The > >>> > > difference is in how much we live in our reality and how much in > > our heads. > >>> > > > >>> > > Living out a principle or belief means we cannot be as close to > > reality. We > >>> > > build an internal filter that corrupts our perception of reality > > to favour > >>> > > our pet theories. We all do this to a greater or lesser extent > > but the > >>> > > stronger and more definite those convictions are the more deluded > > we become. > >>> > > For me this gets in the way of honing my intuition and feeling as > > connected > >>> > > to the world around me as I do. Therefore I do not have many if > > any beliefs > >>> > > and whilst I am sympathetic to anyone who takes on a belief I do > > not believe > >>> > > it myself. > >>> > > > >>> > > On the point of this site and its members I like and understand > > the idea of > >>> > > your safe haven but safe havens rarely are a safe place to be for > > very long > >>> > > as we will inevitably end up supporting each other in ways that > > are > >>> > > ultimately unhealthy. This was the main reason macrobiotic people > > have run > >>> > > into problems in the past. Mutual isolation of a group of like > > minded people > >>> > > historically makes them weaker just as in nature inter breeding > > weakens the > >>> > > species. I think honesty and openness is key for any kind of > > evolution and > >>> > > development and to create a vegan society does involve being open > > and taking > >>> > > seriously any of the potential short comings of this way of > > eating and not > >>> > > feeling insecure about exposing ourselves to different issues and > > looking to > >>> > > see how we can best resolves things. There already is a huge > > resource of > >>> > > people here and in the past members have come up with great > > solutions to > >>> > > different issues. > >>> > > > >>> > > Love and peace, > >>> > > > >>> > > Simon > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 There seems to be quite a range of practices under the mb umbrella, from Sherry very stern approach for the healing phase, to the much looser approaches advocated by some mb cookbook authors, or even Saltillero's second book (before he died!). I've never been able to successfully grasp the mb "philosophy" with all those spirals and cosmic references and inversion of the classical Chinese yin/yang definitions, but the basic diet of eating whole, unprocessed natural foods in season grown in your area seems like an easy place to start. And also, taking into account both Ohsawa and Kushi's ideas that you can if healthy eat just about anything you want as long as you balance it--their fondness for stuff like whiskey and cigarettes seems pretty wild, but doable in theory. This "100 Mile Diet" is pretty interesting, if you've read anything about it, and of course in northern climates the problem of what to eat in the winter (since nothing is "in season" for all practical purposes, except wild life in our neck of the woods). There doesn't seem to be a Western version of macrobiotics, that doesn't depend on Japanese products--I wonder if somebody at some point will come up with one. Whole unprocessed foods, grown locally, in season. And what about meat? Michel Abehsera seems to have recipes for fowl, venison, etc. in one of his books. Maybe not for the healing diet, I guess. And as far as kids, the main problem seems to be coming up with mb meals that look, smell, and taste good, and have pleasant textures and "mouth feel'. And don't look or seem "wierd" to their little friends. As a P.S. since I'm just reading Sherry 's book now, it's a little scary that she suggests that for people who are trying to heal from major diseases, that going off the diet even once--eating even one verboten thing--could be enough to set you back to square one and even kill you! This is heavy stuff! chMay you be well, Chad Henry 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 There seems to be quite a range of practices under the mb umbrella, from Sherry very stern approach for the healing phase, to the much looser approaches advocated by some mb cookbook authors, or even Saltillero's second book (before he died!). I've never been able to successfully grasp the mb "philosophy" with all those spirals and cosmic references and inversion of the classical Chinese yin/yang definitions, but the basic diet of eating whole, unprocessed natural foods in season grown in your area seems like an easy place to start. And also, taking into account both Ohsawa and Kushi's ideas that you can if healthy eat just about anything you want as long as you balance it--their fondness for stuff like whiskey and cigarettes seems pretty wild, but doable in theory. This "100 Mile Diet" is pretty interesting, if you've read anything about it, and of course in northern climates the problem of what to eat in the winter (since nothing is "in season" for all practical purposes, except wild life in our neck of the woods). There doesn't seem to be a Western version of macrobiotics, that doesn't depend on Japanese products--I wonder if somebody at some point will come up with one. Whole unprocessed foods, grown locally, in season. And what about meat? Michel Abehsera seems to have recipes for fowl, venison, etc. in one of his books. Maybe not for the healing diet, I guess. And as far as kids, the main problem seems to be coming up with mb meals that look, smell, and taste good, and have pleasant textures and "mouth feel'. And don't look or seem "wierd" to their little friends. As a P.S. since I'm just reading Sherry 's book now, it's a little scary that she suggests that for people who are trying to heal from major diseases, that going off the diet even once--eating even one verboten thing--could be enough to set you back to square one and even kill you! This is heavy stuff! chMay you be well, Chad Henry 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Is Sherry really so very strict? I would not want to recommend such a strict approach to mb to people - so perhaps I should suggest people read the book but not follow the advice so absolutely. I would not want people to feel so threatened that if they stopped eating mb that they would die. Suggesting people might die is not a positive approach to healing practice. Blessings, Em Let the beauty we love be what we do. Rumi Let everything you do be done in love. 1 Corinthians 16:14 'Love is the measure.' Dorothy Day 'Gather yourselves...All that we do now must be done in a sacred manner.' Hopi Elders 2001 ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 Is Sherry really so very strict? I would not want to recommend such a strict approach to mb to people - so perhaps I should suggest people read the book but not follow the advice so absolutely. I would not want people to feel so threatened that if they stopped eating mb that they would die. Suggesting people might die is not a positive approach to healing practice. Blessings, Em Let the beauty we love be what we do. Rumi Let everything you do be done in love. 1 Corinthians 16:14 'Love is the measure.' Dorothy Day 'Gather yourselves...All that we do now must be done in a sacred manner.' Hopi Elders 2001 ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 I'm far from an expert but I have heard that is how Sattilaro sp??? died that if you go back to your old ways of eating it comes back to bite you in the butt and much harder. Reg > > There seems to be quite a range of practices under the mb umbrella, from Sherry very stern approach for the healing phase, to the much looser approaches advocated by some mb cookbook authors, or even Saltillero's second book (before he died!). I've never been able to successfully grasp the mb " philosophy " with all those spirals and cosmic references and inversion of the classical Chinese yin/yang definitions, but the basic diet of eating whole, unprocessed natural foods in season grown in your area seems like an easy place to start. And also, taking into account both Ohsawa and Kushi's ideas that you can if healthy eat just about anything you want as long as you balance it--their fondness for stuff like whiskey and cigarettes seems pretty wild, but doable in theory. This " 100 Mile Diet " is pretty interesting, if you've read anything about it, and of course in northern climates the problem of what to eat in the winter (since nothing is " in season " for all > practical purposes, except wild life in our neck of the woods). There doesn't seem to be a Western version of macrobiotics, that doesn't depend on Japanese products--I wonder if somebody at some point will come up with one. Whole unprocessed foods, grown locally, in season. And what about meat? Michel Abehsera seems to have recipes for fowl, venison, etc. in one of his books. Maybe not for the healing diet, I guess. And as far as kids, the main problem seems to be coming up with mb meals that look, smell, and taste good, and have pleasant textures and " mouth feel'. And don't look or seem " wierd " to their little friends. > > As a P.S. since I'm just reading Sherry 's book now, it's a little scary that she suggests that for people who are trying to heal from major diseases, that going off the diet even once--eating even one verboten thing--could be enough to set you back to square one and even kill you! This is heavy stuff! > > ch > > > May you be well, > Chad Henry > > > --------------------------------- > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2007 Report Share Posted February 15, 2007 I'm far from an expert but I have heard that is how Sattilaro sp??? died that if you go back to your old ways of eating it comes back to bite you in the butt and much harder. Reg > > There seems to be quite a range of practices under the mb umbrella, from Sherry very stern approach for the healing phase, to the much looser approaches advocated by some mb cookbook authors, or even Saltillero's second book (before he died!). I've never been able to successfully grasp the mb " philosophy " with all those spirals and cosmic references and inversion of the classical Chinese yin/yang definitions, but the basic diet of eating whole, unprocessed natural foods in season grown in your area seems like an easy place to start. And also, taking into account both Ohsawa and Kushi's ideas that you can if healthy eat just about anything you want as long as you balance it--their fondness for stuff like whiskey and cigarettes seems pretty wild, but doable in theory. This " 100 Mile Diet " is pretty interesting, if you've read anything about it, and of course in northern climates the problem of what to eat in the winter (since nothing is " in season " for all > practical purposes, except wild life in our neck of the woods). There doesn't seem to be a Western version of macrobiotics, that doesn't depend on Japanese products--I wonder if somebody at some point will come up with one. Whole unprocessed foods, grown locally, in season. And what about meat? Michel Abehsera seems to have recipes for fowl, venison, etc. in one of his books. Maybe not for the healing diet, I guess. And as far as kids, the main problem seems to be coming up with mb meals that look, smell, and taste good, and have pleasant textures and " mouth feel'. And don't look or seem " wierd " to their little friends. > > As a P.S. since I'm just reading Sherry 's book now, it's a little scary that she suggests that for people who are trying to heal from major diseases, that going off the diet even once--eating even one verboten thing--could be enough to set you back to square one and even kill you! This is heavy stuff! > > ch > > > May you be well, > Chad Henry > > > --------------------------------- > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 I don't want this to become a topic here again but obviously I agree with you 110%. Thank you for your input. You hit the nail on the head. Peace, Reggie > > Bravo, Reggie!! > > I'm coming in late on this discussion, as I've been offline a couple of weeks, so am just now going through my digests, but I agree. I joined this list because it was VEGAN Macrobiotics; I wanted a group that felt (mostly) as I did regarding the eating or other consumption of animal products. I'm certainly not going to flame someone because they disagree or are not there yet -- it took me several years of vegetarianism before I went vegan and I did it totally for ethical reasons. I do happen to believe it is healthier for the human animal, but it is my choice because it is kinder to the other animals. > > Someone had commented they did not want to hear about shrimp being the garbage eaters of the ocean, but that happens to be true. If you can get past that, that is certainly your choice, and it's not meant as a personal criticism at all -- it's just a description of the shrimps' diet. Unless you're a shrimp, you shouldn't be offended ;-)) Usually when I don't want to hear or read something or I'm not " there " with the person's opinion, I just hit the old delete key, whether on my computer or in my head. When I was ready, I listened, and that may be the way for those of you not on the vegan path of macrobiotics. However, if I could not have found a way to be a vegan macrobiotic, then I would not have investigated macrobiotics any further. > > Just my 0.02 worth of course. > > > Tamara > > " You, yourself, as much as anybody in the universe, deserve your love and affection. " > -- Buddha > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 I don't want this to become a topic here again but obviously I agree with you 110%. Thank you for your input. You hit the nail on the head. Peace, Reggie > > Bravo, Reggie!! > > I'm coming in late on this discussion, as I've been offline a couple of weeks, so am just now going through my digests, but I agree. I joined this list because it was VEGAN Macrobiotics; I wanted a group that felt (mostly) as I did regarding the eating or other consumption of animal products. I'm certainly not going to flame someone because they disagree or are not there yet -- it took me several years of vegetarianism before I went vegan and I did it totally for ethical reasons. I do happen to believe it is healthier for the human animal, but it is my choice because it is kinder to the other animals. > > Someone had commented they did not want to hear about shrimp being the garbage eaters of the ocean, but that happens to be true. If you can get past that, that is certainly your choice, and it's not meant as a personal criticism at all -- it's just a description of the shrimps' diet. Unless you're a shrimp, you shouldn't be offended ;-)) Usually when I don't want to hear or read something or I'm not " there " with the person's opinion, I just hit the old delete key, whether on my computer or in my head. When I was ready, I listened, and that may be the way for those of you not on the vegan path of macrobiotics. However, if I could not have found a way to be a vegan macrobiotic, then I would not have investigated macrobiotics any further. > > Just my 0.02 worth of course. > > > Tamara > > " You, yourself, as much as anybody in the universe, deserve your love and affection. " > -- Buddha > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time > with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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