Supplements

[Guest guest]

-- would HealthcheckUSA be a good one for saliva testing or is

there another lab that's better? Since I'll be talking adrenals with

my doc on Friday, I want to have a back-up plan at the ready...

Thanks!

Karla

> All this is why the saliva tests are going to reflect more of

what's going

> on. Blood tests are just no good for this.

>

>

>

> Re: supplements

>

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Courtenay,

> > Yes it is possible to have adrenal problems that don't show up on

> > tests.

[Guest guest]

-- would HealthcheckUSA be a good one for saliva testing or is

there another lab that's better? Since I'll be talking adrenals with

my doc on Friday, I want to have a back-up plan at the ready...

Thanks!

Karla

> All this is why the saliva tests are going to reflect more of

what's going

> on. Blood tests are just no good for this.

>

>

>

> Re: supplements

>

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Courtenay,

> > Yes it is possible to have adrenal problems that don't show up on

> > tests.

[Guest guest]

-- would HealthcheckUSA be a good one for saliva testing or is

there another lab that's better? Since I'll be talking adrenals with

my doc on Friday, I want to have a back-up plan at the ready...

Thanks!

Karla

> All this is why the saliva tests are going to reflect more of

what's going

> on. Blood tests are just no good for this.

>

>

>

> Re: supplements

>

>

> >

> >

> > Dear Courtenay,

> > Yes it is possible to have adrenal problems that don't show up on

> > tests.

[Guest guest]

I think teaching would have been too much for me. I was lucky and

had a sit down job as a graphic designer and so was not having to be

active all day. Even then it wore me down. I really think there

should be some type of compensation for this. It just wrecks

people's lives for a good chunk of time. I left my job eventually

and now do contract work for them part-time. They have been so good

to me.

I was never diagnosed because doctors only did the TSH test on me

and it was always normal even up to the end when my health was

really going down and I had hardly any T4 in my blood. Doctors just

blew me off. One doctor was so rude to me when I brought in a bunch

of stuff from the web with hypothryoid symptoms that I had. She

refused to do any more tests and instead sent in a test for

Rhumatoid Arthritis. It was a mean thing because that is incurable

and means a lifetime of suffering. I was naive then and believed

them.

Good luck. I had to make dose raises so slowly. Whether you do the

adrenal support or not, I think each has it's its benifits and

drawbacks. I once had a vet say that he didn't want to give

cortisone to our dog for a shoulder injury because it made them keep

running around and not take it easy. So, they developed more

problems and didn't heal up sometimes. So, by not taking any

support, maybe it forces a person to do what is best for their body.

Tish

[Guest guest]

I think teaching would have been too much for me. I was lucky and

had a sit down job as a graphic designer and so was not having to be

active all day. Even then it wore me down. I really think there

should be some type of compensation for this. It just wrecks

people's lives for a good chunk of time. I left my job eventually

and now do contract work for them part-time. They have been so good

to me.

I was never diagnosed because doctors only did the TSH test on me

and it was always normal even up to the end when my health was

really going down and I had hardly any T4 in my blood. Doctors just

blew me off. One doctor was so rude to me when I brought in a bunch

of stuff from the web with hypothryoid symptoms that I had. She

refused to do any more tests and instead sent in a test for

Rhumatoid Arthritis. It was a mean thing because that is incurable

and means a lifetime of suffering. I was naive then and believed

them.

Good luck. I had to make dose raises so slowly. Whether you do the

adrenal support or not, I think each has it's its benifits and

drawbacks. I once had a vet say that he didn't want to give

cortisone to our dog for a shoulder injury because it made them keep

running around and not take it easy. So, they developed more

problems and didn't heal up sometimes. So, by not taking any

support, maybe it forces a person to do what is best for their body.

Tish

[Guest guest]

I think teaching would have been too much for me. I was lucky and

had a sit down job as a graphic designer and so was not having to be

active all day. Even then it wore me down. I really think there

should be some type of compensation for this. It just wrecks

people's lives for a good chunk of time. I left my job eventually

and now do contract work for them part-time. They have been so good

to me.

I was never diagnosed because doctors only did the TSH test on me

and it was always normal even up to the end when my health was

really going down and I had hardly any T4 in my blood. Doctors just

blew me off. One doctor was so rude to me when I brought in a bunch

of stuff from the web with hypothryoid symptoms that I had. She

refused to do any more tests and instead sent in a test for

Rhumatoid Arthritis. It was a mean thing because that is incurable

and means a lifetime of suffering. I was naive then and believed

them.

Good luck. I had to make dose raises so slowly. Whether you do the

adrenal support or not, I think each has it's its benifits and

drawbacks. I once had a vet say that he didn't want to give

cortisone to our dog for a shoulder injury because it made them keep

running around and not take it easy. So, they developed more

problems and didn't heal up sometimes. So, by not taking any

support, maybe it forces a person to do what is best for their body.

Tish

[Guest guest]

A good lab for saliva tests is ZRT. I have had good luck with them

and their results seem consistent over time.

Tish

[Guest guest]

A good lab for saliva tests is ZRT. I have had good luck with them

and their results seem consistent over time.

Tish

[Guest guest]

A good lab for saliva tests is ZRT. I have had good luck with them

and their results seem consistent over time.

Tish

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Tish, for the plug for ZRT. Lara uses them when she needs

to. Jan, thanks also for reminding me that Healthcheck only does

blood tests. I plumb forgot.

Karla

All this is why the saliva tests are going to reflect more of

what's going on. Blood tests are just no good for this.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Tish, for the plug for ZRT. Lara uses them when she needs

to. Jan, thanks also for reminding me that Healthcheck only does

blood tests. I plumb forgot.

Karla

All this is why the saliva tests are going to reflect more of

what's going on. Blood tests are just no good for this.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Tish, for the plug for ZRT. Lara uses them when she needs

to. Jan, thanks also for reminding me that Healthcheck only does

blood tests. I plumb forgot.

Karla

All this is why the saliva tests are going to reflect more of

what's going on. Blood tests are just no good for this.

[Guest guest]

Would I be wasting my time by doing the 3 hour ACTH test?

I know I don't have Adrenal failure, but want to determine it I

have an Adrenal issue.

Is medicating the only way to see if you have fatigue?

LYNN

At 07:32 AM 10/5/2004, you wrote:

>Dear Courtenay,

>Yes it is possible to have adrenal problems that don't show up on

>tests. The Adrenal stimulation test, especially, can give false

>results. A good book to read on that is Jeffries " Safe Uses of

>Cortisol " . In it he talks about the stimulation test coming back

>normal in those who have hypothalamus output that is low or not

>quite functioning right. In this case, the adrenals are often just

>fine, but the hypothalamus is not working right and therefore not

>telling the adrenals to put out enough hormone in stress situations.

>So, everything looks normal when you are calmly sitting in the

>doctor's office, but when you are under stress, output does not go

>up enough for it. In stress, adrenal output needs to go as high as

>double or more.

>

>The current adrenal tests are really geared more for adrenal failure

>and so are not so good at picking up fatigue. Typical adrenal

>fatigue results are in the normal range, but below the midline of

>the range. So, for instance, the adrenals need to put out 30mg in

>the morning and in adrenal fatigue, this can be a little low, like

>18mg or the low 20s. In the afternoon, adrenal output needs to be

>15. In adrenal fatigue, it can be 12 or 8mg. All are considered

>normal, but they are low enough to make the person feel unwell.

>

>Another thing that can happen to the adrenals is that they can have

>low reserves. The adrenals are supposed to store about 3 weeks worth

>of hormones for stress situations. Sometimes, especially in thyroid

>treatment, they loose their reserves and cannot build them back up.

>Or, they have low reserve capacity. In this situation, you would

>look perfectly normal on tests, but in stress, you would run low.

>Thyroid therapy tends to cause the loss of adrenal reserves. It

>happens by the fact that being hypothyroid can reduce reserve

>capacity as much as 60% or more and shrink the gland to half it's

>normal size. The body adapts to this change by slowing the breakdown

>of cortisol and slowing removal of it from the body. But, the minute

>you take a thyroid pill, the breakdown and removal of cortisol

>suddenly goes way up as the body begins to function at a higher

>metabolic rate. The need for cortisol greatly increases because the

>metabolic rate has gone up and the body is increasing it's wear and

>tear and demands for energy raw materials like glucose and protein

>made available by the actions of cortisol. The result is that the

>adrenals quickly loose their stores and at the same time have

>demands higher than they can meet. So, they cannot replenish their

>stores because they can barely keep up with demand.

>

>When this happens the adrenals go into a state of wide fluctuations.

>They will stop putting out hormones for a while, while they try to

>build some up. This temporary stop causes the hypothalamus to sense

>that cortisol is low and put out lots of ACTH. ACTH builds up in the

>blood and then when the adrenals finally make enough hormone to

>release and they see that there is lots of ACTH. They think a crisis

>has happened and they dump everything they have made. This causes an

>up and own cycle of output in the day. If you take a 24 hour

>cortisol test it can all average out to be normal, but in reality it

>isn't. This cycling up and down causes you to loose your circadian

>rythem and usually results in periods in the day when cortisol is

>either high or low. By the afternoon, when cortisol demands are low

>and the adrenals have had to rest up in the morning, when they can't

>manage the high demands, the adrenals manage manage to put out

>enough for that part of the day. So, you feel bad in the morning and

>start to recover later in the day. The body requires that the

>adrenals put out high levels in the morning and then taper off

>throughout the day in order to produce seratonin, which is made into

>melatonin at night, Other things for sleep are also dependent on the

>adrenals working smoothly. So, this up and down cycling causes you

>to loose your circadian rythem and become an insomniac.

>

>Low dose cortisol therapy is not harmful even for a healthy person.

>The reason is that the healthy adrenals put out 35 to 40 mg a day of

>cortisol. The typical doctor prescribed adrenal support is 20mg or

>less. You cannot overdose on anything less than what the body makes

>in a day. This is because the brain will sense the dose you are

>taking and adjust down the output of the adrenals so the blood

>levels of cortisol stay below 35 to 40 mg. The best book to read up

>on this is " Safe Uses of Cortisol. " Jeffries spent his life

>researching and using low dose cortisol. Cortisol got it's bad

>reputation from the hugely high doses first used when it was firt

>studied. These doses were commonly 100 mg a day or more.

>

>If a healthy person uses 20mg of cortisol, their adrenal output will

>drop down so that total daily cortisol does not exceed 35 to 40 mg.

>If they continue to do this, evnetually after about 4 weeks they

>will become dependent and adrenal reserve and size will drop to

>reflect the low demands needed of them. To reverse this, all the

>person has to do is taper off the cortisol and everything will go

>back to normal. If an adrenally stressed person uses low dose

>cortisol, it gives the adrenals a chance to rest, rebuild and

>restore their stores. It is actually helpful for them and it works

>to stop the up and down cycling. Over time, when they have

>recovered, they will be dependent too like the normal person. Then,

>you simply taper off slowly. Some thyroid patients also have auto-

>immune adrenal damage and these people will have permanent loss of

>adrenal reserve and will need some support all their lives to be

>fully healthy.

>

>When adrenal output goes below what is nromal, immune function

>declines, inflammation gets out of control and there is increased

>risk of other outo-immune conditions developing, along with

>allergies and sensitivities. Adrenal function must not be too low or

>too high for the best health and immune function.

>

>So, you can decide whether you want to do this or not. A short

>course of low dose therapy to see if it would help would not be

>harmful and may help. Just be sure to taper off slowly. If you

>decide not to do that, then, you must focus of nutrition, eating

>many frequent and healthy meals in a day, getting a minimum of 7

>hours sleep a night, but 9 is best for recovery, avoiding stress,

>resting a lot and lying down for 10 minutes a few times a day, and

>cutting exercise to short 10 minute sessions with ample time between

>for the adrenals in order to recover. Recovery takes up to 2 years

>or more. If the adrenals have been damaged permanently, then they

>may not fully recover.

>

>I have been hypo for 30 years before I finally got a diagnosis and

>my adrenals still have not recovered after 2 years of thryoid

>therapy. Since I was low thyroid in gradeschool, they may not have

>ever developed properly. For me adrenal support has been helpful and

>made it possible to keep my job. I think you just have to weigh

>everything and decide what is best for you.

>

>Tish

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Would I be wasting my time by doing the 3 hour ACTH test?

I know I don't have Adrenal failure, but want to determine it I

have an Adrenal issue.

Is medicating the only way to see if you have fatigue?

LYNN

At 07:32 AM 10/5/2004, you wrote:

>Dear Courtenay,

>Yes it is possible to have adrenal problems that don't show up on

>tests. The Adrenal stimulation test, especially, can give false

>results. A good book to read on that is Jeffries " Safe Uses of

>Cortisol " . In it he talks about the stimulation test coming back

>normal in those who have hypothalamus output that is low or not

>quite functioning right. In this case, the adrenals are often just

>fine, but the hypothalamus is not working right and therefore not

>telling the adrenals to put out enough hormone in stress situations.

>So, everything looks normal when you are calmly sitting in the

>doctor's office, but when you are under stress, output does not go

>up enough for it. In stress, adrenal output needs to go as high as

>double or more.

>

>The current adrenal tests are really geared more for adrenal failure

>and so are not so good at picking up fatigue. Typical adrenal

>fatigue results are in the normal range, but below the midline of

>the range. So, for instance, the adrenals need to put out 30mg in

>the morning and in adrenal fatigue, this can be a little low, like

>18mg or the low 20s. In the afternoon, adrenal output needs to be

>15. In adrenal fatigue, it can be 12 or 8mg. All are considered

>normal, but they are low enough to make the person feel unwell.

>

>Another thing that can happen to the adrenals is that they can have

>low reserves. The adrenals are supposed to store about 3 weeks worth

>of hormones for stress situations. Sometimes, especially in thyroid

>treatment, they loose their reserves and cannot build them back up.

>Or, they have low reserve capacity. In this situation, you would

>look perfectly normal on tests, but in stress, you would run low.

>Thyroid therapy tends to cause the loss of adrenal reserves. It

>happens by the fact that being hypothyroid can reduce reserve

>capacity as much as 60% or more and shrink the gland to half it's

>normal size. The body adapts to this change by slowing the breakdown

>of cortisol and slowing removal of it from the body. But, the minute

>you take a thyroid pill, the breakdown and removal of cortisol

>suddenly goes way up as the body begins to function at a higher

>metabolic rate. The need for cortisol greatly increases because the

>metabolic rate has gone up and the body is increasing it's wear and

>tear and demands for energy raw materials like glucose and protein

>made available by the actions of cortisol. The result is that the

>adrenals quickly loose their stores and at the same time have

>demands higher than they can meet. So, they cannot replenish their

>stores because they can barely keep up with demand.

>

>When this happens the adrenals go into a state of wide fluctuations.

>They will stop putting out hormones for a while, while they try to

>build some up. This temporary stop causes the hypothalamus to sense

>that cortisol is low and put out lots of ACTH. ACTH builds up in the

>blood and then when the adrenals finally make enough hormone to

>release and they see that there is lots of ACTH. They think a crisis

>has happened and they dump everything they have made. This causes an

>up and own cycle of output in the day. If you take a 24 hour

>cortisol test it can all average out to be normal, but in reality it

>isn't. This cycling up and down causes you to loose your circadian

>rythem and usually results in periods in the day when cortisol is

>either high or low. By the afternoon, when cortisol demands are low

>and the adrenals have had to rest up in the morning, when they can't

>manage the high demands, the adrenals manage manage to put out

>enough for that part of the day. So, you feel bad in the morning and

>start to recover later in the day. The body requires that the

>adrenals put out high levels in the morning and then taper off

>throughout the day in order to produce seratonin, which is made into

>melatonin at night, Other things for sleep are also dependent on the

>adrenals working smoothly. So, this up and down cycling causes you

>to loose your circadian rythem and become an insomniac.

>

>Low dose cortisol therapy is not harmful even for a healthy person.

>The reason is that the healthy adrenals put out 35 to 40 mg a day of

>cortisol. The typical doctor prescribed adrenal support is 20mg or

>less. You cannot overdose on anything less than what the body makes

>in a day. This is because the brain will sense the dose you are

>taking and adjust down the output of the adrenals so the blood

>levels of cortisol stay below 35 to 40 mg. The best book to read up

>on this is " Safe Uses of Cortisol. " Jeffries spent his life

>researching and using low dose cortisol. Cortisol got it's bad

>reputation from the hugely high doses first used when it was firt

>studied. These doses were commonly 100 mg a day or more.

>

>If a healthy person uses 20mg of cortisol, their adrenal output will

>drop down so that total daily cortisol does not exceed 35 to 40 mg.

>If they continue to do this, evnetually after about 4 weeks they

>will become dependent and adrenal reserve and size will drop to

>reflect the low demands needed of them. To reverse this, all the

>person has to do is taper off the cortisol and everything will go

>back to normal. If an adrenally stressed person uses low dose

>cortisol, it gives the adrenals a chance to rest, rebuild and

>restore their stores. It is actually helpful for them and it works

>to stop the up and down cycling. Over time, when they have

>recovered, they will be dependent too like the normal person. Then,

>you simply taper off slowly. Some thyroid patients also have auto-

>immune adrenal damage and these people will have permanent loss of

>adrenal reserve and will need some support all their lives to be

>fully healthy.

>

>When adrenal output goes below what is nromal, immune function

>declines, inflammation gets out of control and there is increased

>risk of other outo-immune conditions developing, along with

>allergies and sensitivities. Adrenal function must not be too low or

>too high for the best health and immune function.

>

>So, you can decide whether you want to do this or not. A short

>course of low dose therapy to see if it would help would not be

>harmful and may help. Just be sure to taper off slowly. If you

>decide not to do that, then, you must focus of nutrition, eating

>many frequent and healthy meals in a day, getting a minimum of 7

>hours sleep a night, but 9 is best for recovery, avoiding stress,

>resting a lot and lying down for 10 minutes a few times a day, and

>cutting exercise to short 10 minute sessions with ample time between

>for the adrenals in order to recover. Recovery takes up to 2 years

>or more. If the adrenals have been damaged permanently, then they

>may not fully recover.

>

>I have been hypo for 30 years before I finally got a diagnosis and

>my adrenals still have not recovered after 2 years of thryoid

>therapy. Since I was low thyroid in gradeschool, they may not have

>ever developed properly. For me adrenal support has been helpful and

>made it possible to keep my job. I think you just have to weigh

>everything and decide what is best for you.

>

>Tish

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Would I be wasting my time by doing the 3 hour ACTH test?

I know I don't have Adrenal failure, but want to determine it I

have an Adrenal issue.

Is medicating the only way to see if you have fatigue?

LYNN

At 07:32 AM 10/5/2004, you wrote:

>Dear Courtenay,

>Yes it is possible to have adrenal problems that don't show up on

>tests. The Adrenal stimulation test, especially, can give false

>results. A good book to read on that is Jeffries " Safe Uses of

>Cortisol " . In it he talks about the stimulation test coming back

>normal in those who have hypothalamus output that is low or not

>quite functioning right. In this case, the adrenals are often just

>fine, but the hypothalamus is not working right and therefore not

>telling the adrenals to put out enough hormone in stress situations.

>So, everything looks normal when you are calmly sitting in the

>doctor's office, but when you are under stress, output does not go

>up enough for it. In stress, adrenal output needs to go as high as

>double or more.

>

>The current adrenal tests are really geared more for adrenal failure

>and so are not so good at picking up fatigue. Typical adrenal

>fatigue results are in the normal range, but below the midline of

>the range. So, for instance, the adrenals need to put out 30mg in

>the morning and in adrenal fatigue, this can be a little low, like

>18mg or the low 20s. In the afternoon, adrenal output needs to be

>15. In adrenal fatigue, it can be 12 or 8mg. All are considered

>normal, but they are low enough to make the person feel unwell.

>

>Another thing that can happen to the adrenals is that they can have

>low reserves. The adrenals are supposed to store about 3 weeks worth

>of hormones for stress situations. Sometimes, especially in thyroid

>treatment, they loose their reserves and cannot build them back up.

>Or, they have low reserve capacity. In this situation, you would

>look perfectly normal on tests, but in stress, you would run low.

>Thyroid therapy tends to cause the loss of adrenal reserves. It

>happens by the fact that being hypothyroid can reduce reserve

>capacity as much as 60% or more and shrink the gland to half it's

>normal size. The body adapts to this change by slowing the breakdown

>of cortisol and slowing removal of it from the body. But, the minute

>you take a thyroid pill, the breakdown and removal of cortisol

>suddenly goes way up as the body begins to function at a higher

>metabolic rate. The need for cortisol greatly increases because the

>metabolic rate has gone up and the body is increasing it's wear and

>tear and demands for energy raw materials like glucose and protein

>made available by the actions of cortisol. The result is that the

>adrenals quickly loose their stores and at the same time have

>demands higher than they can meet. So, they cannot replenish their

>stores because they can barely keep up with demand.

>

>When this happens the adrenals go into a state of wide fluctuations.

>They will stop putting out hormones for a while, while they try to

>build some up. This temporary stop causes the hypothalamus to sense

>that cortisol is low and put out lots of ACTH. ACTH builds up in the

>blood and then when the adrenals finally make enough hormone to

>release and they see that there is lots of ACTH. They think a crisis

>has happened and they dump everything they have made. This causes an

>up and own cycle of output in the day. If you take a 24 hour

>cortisol test it can all average out to be normal, but in reality it

>isn't. This cycling up and down causes you to loose your circadian

>rythem and usually results in periods in the day when cortisol is

>either high or low. By the afternoon, when cortisol demands are low

>and the adrenals have had to rest up in the morning, when they can't

>manage the high demands, the adrenals manage manage to put out

>enough for that part of the day. So, you feel bad in the morning and

>start to recover later in the day. The body requires that the

>adrenals put out high levels in the morning and then taper off

>throughout the day in order to produce seratonin, which is made into

>melatonin at night, Other things for sleep are also dependent on the

>adrenals working smoothly. So, this up and down cycling causes you

>to loose your circadian rythem and become an insomniac.

>

>Low dose cortisol therapy is not harmful even for a healthy person.

>The reason is that the healthy adrenals put out 35 to 40 mg a day of

>cortisol. The typical doctor prescribed adrenal support is 20mg or

>less. You cannot overdose on anything less than what the body makes

>in a day. This is because the brain will sense the dose you are

>taking and adjust down the output of the adrenals so the blood

>levels of cortisol stay below 35 to 40 mg. The best book to read up

>on this is " Safe Uses of Cortisol. " Jeffries spent his life

>researching and using low dose cortisol. Cortisol got it's bad

>reputation from the hugely high doses first used when it was firt

>studied. These doses were commonly 100 mg a day or more.

>

>If a healthy person uses 20mg of cortisol, their adrenal output will

>drop down so that total daily cortisol does not exceed 35 to 40 mg.

>If they continue to do this, evnetually after about 4 weeks they

>will become dependent and adrenal reserve and size will drop to

>reflect the low demands needed of them. To reverse this, all the

>person has to do is taper off the cortisol and everything will go

>back to normal. If an adrenally stressed person uses low dose

>cortisol, it gives the adrenals a chance to rest, rebuild and

>restore their stores. It is actually helpful for them and it works

>to stop the up and down cycling. Over time, when they have

>recovered, they will be dependent too like the normal person. Then,

>you simply taper off slowly. Some thyroid patients also have auto-

>immune adrenal damage and these people will have permanent loss of

>adrenal reserve and will need some support all their lives to be

>fully healthy.

>

>When adrenal output goes below what is nromal, immune function

>declines, inflammation gets out of control and there is increased

>risk of other outo-immune conditions developing, along with

>allergies and sensitivities. Adrenal function must not be too low or

>too high for the best health and immune function.

>

>So, you can decide whether you want to do this or not. A short

>course of low dose therapy to see if it would help would not be

>harmful and may help. Just be sure to taper off slowly. If you

>decide not to do that, then, you must focus of nutrition, eating

>many frequent and healthy meals in a day, getting a minimum of 7

>hours sleep a night, but 9 is best for recovery, avoiding stress,

>resting a lot and lying down for 10 minutes a few times a day, and

>cutting exercise to short 10 minute sessions with ample time between

>for the adrenals in order to recover. Recovery takes up to 2 years

>or more. If the adrenals have been damaged permanently, then they

>may not fully recover.

>

>I have been hypo for 30 years before I finally got a diagnosis and

>my adrenals still have not recovered after 2 years of thryoid

>therapy. Since I was low thyroid in gradeschool, they may not have

>ever developed properly. For me adrenal support has been helpful and

>made it possible to keep my job. I think you just have to weigh

>everything and decide what is best for you.

>

>Tish

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

From what I've seen on their site, this is the one thing that I don't like

about them, the fact that there are no listed saliva tests on site. I have

not called them about it, but I see that they have the blood tests posted

there, so I'm assuming that they don't do the saliva tests. ZRT labs does

them, and I believe that you can find them at www.salivatests.com. They

have a little bit of everything.

Re: supplements

>

> -- would HealthcheckUSA be a good one for saliva testing or is

> there another lab that's better? Since I'll be talking adrenals with

> my doc on Friday, I want to have a back-up plan at the ready...

>

> Thanks!

> Karla

[Guest guest]

From what I've seen on their site, this is the one thing that I don't like

about them, the fact that there are no listed saliva tests on site. I have

not called them about it, but I see that they have the blood tests posted

there, so I'm assuming that they don't do the saliva tests. ZRT labs does

them, and I believe that you can find them at www.salivatests.com. They

have a little bit of everything.

Re: supplements

>

> -- would HealthcheckUSA be a good one for saliva testing or is

> there another lab that's better? Since I'll be talking adrenals with

> my doc on Friday, I want to have a back-up plan at the ready...

>

> Thanks!

> Karla

[Guest guest]

The saliva tests from ZRT labs at www.salivatests.com.

Re: Re: supplements

>

> Would I be wasting my time by doing the 3 hour ACTH test?

>

> I know I don't have Adrenal failure, but want to determine it I

> have an Adrenal issue.

> Is medicating the only way to see if you have fatigue?

>

> LYNN

[Guest guest]

The saliva tests from ZRT labs at www.salivatests.com.

Re: Re: supplements

>

> Would I be wasting my time by doing the 3 hour ACTH test?

>

> I know I don't have Adrenal failure, but want to determine it I

> have an Adrenal issue.

> Is medicating the only way to see if you have fatigue?

>

> LYNN

[Guest guest]

I cannot

handle it-- I didn't realize it, but I scheduled my dose increase

right before my menstrual cycle, and I have decided to back down my

dose to it's original amount until I can figure out what to do.

I don't think my doctor will do a saliva test, so I may have to go to

another doctor-- I am considering an MD who has a naturalistic

approach.

Do you have any other suggestions?

Best--

Courtenay.

This is the

exact pattern of struggling adrenal glands, feeling like crappola all

day, with them gradually " doing their thing " going t'wd the

evening, then feeling normal and alert the rest of the night, that is,

until the next day.

[Guest guest]

I cannot

handle it-- I didn't realize it, but I scheduled my dose increase

right before my menstrual cycle, and I have decided to back down my

dose to it's original amount until I can figure out what to do.

I don't think my doctor will do a saliva test, so I may have to go to

another doctor-- I am considering an MD who has a naturalistic

approach.

Do you have any other suggestions?

Best--

Courtenay.

This is the

exact pattern of struggling adrenal glands, feeling like crappola all

day, with them gradually " doing their thing " going t'wd the

evening, then feeling normal and alert the rest of the night, that is,

until the next day.

[Guest guest]

I cannot

handle it-- I didn't realize it, but I scheduled my dose increase

right before my menstrual cycle, and I have decided to back down my

dose to it's original amount until I can figure out what to do.

I don't think my doctor will do a saliva test, so I may have to go to

another doctor-- I am considering an MD who has a naturalistic

approach.

Do you have any other suggestions?

Best--

Courtenay.

This is the

exact pattern of struggling adrenal glands, feeling like crappola all

day, with them gradually " doing their thing " going t'wd the

evening, then feeling normal and alert the rest of the night, that is,

until the next day.

[Guest guest]

I would like to resume my career-making activities at a

reasonable pace. But, the original cost of what I had done was

to deplete my body, which was not worth it. I can barely manage

to sit at my desk and write now. It's awful.

Best--

Courtenay.

We cannot

burn the candle at both ends forever and get away with it.

Anyone on these boards can probably testify to that one. Who in

the world can stop and smell the roses, after all this. Then

again, some people are extremely driven, for reasons that can't be

explained here. All these activities ARE the roses for them, but

at what price?

[Guest guest]

I would like to resume my career-making activities at a

reasonable pace. But, the original cost of what I had done was

to deplete my body, which was not worth it. I can barely manage

to sit at my desk and write now. It's awful.

Best--

Courtenay.

We cannot

burn the candle at both ends forever and get away with it.

Anyone on these boards can probably testify to that one. Who in

the world can stop and smell the roses, after all this. Then

again, some people are extremely driven, for reasons that can't be

explained here. All these activities ARE the roses for them, but

at what price?

[Guest guest]

I would like to resume my career-making activities at a

reasonable pace. But, the original cost of what I had done was

to deplete my body, which was not worth it. I can barely manage

to sit at my desk and write now. It's awful.

Best--

Courtenay.

We cannot

burn the candle at both ends forever and get away with it.

Anyone on these boards can probably testify to that one. Who in

the world can stop and smell the roses, after all this. Then

again, some people are extremely driven, for reasons that can't be

explained here. All these activities ARE the roses for them, but

at what price?