Re: Jack LaLanne

[Guest guest]

I think its like some of those other rare elderly people who for breakfast

half half a bottle of jack daniels and smoke like chimneys are are in their

90's ect.

Just a freak of nature. Though I have heard he doesn't follow what he

preaches behind closed doors ( like many diet propogators )

So many vegetarian cookers who preached like it was a word from god would

eat meat. Heh

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From: Long [mailto:longc@...]

Sent: Sunday, 1 February 2004 10:22 AM

Subject: Jack LaLanne

I recently read an article in the paper about Jack LaLanne who will be

turning 90 this year. He's thinking about swimming 30 miles from Catalina

Island to LA for his birthday. I tried to find the article to make sure I

had my facts correct but couldn't so I'm doing this from memory. He works

out from 5-7 every morning. He has a soy protein shake for breakfast, eats

a salad with at least 10 vegetables for lunch and the only meat he eats is

a 3 ounce portion of broiled fish for supper along with a salad with 10

vegetables. He doesn't think much of the Atkins diet as people " need

vegetables and whole grains. " He doesn't think people should drink

milk-- " What mammal drinks milk after being weaned? " He still has sex. He

says he doesn't perform as well as he used to but can still get it on. He

has a 31 inch waist and a 46 inch chest. He's 5'4 " tall.

He eats soy, very little meat and fat, doesn't eat sweets, and is

remarkably healthy. It's certainly not NT eating and isn't something I'll

ever do but it is obviously working for him. Just wanted to know what

others thought of this.

[Guest guest]

I saw Jack LaLanne on TV a year or so ago - looks incredible for his age and

its not all face lift. He was asked what his secret was. I will never

forget his answer. He said he never ate anything he could not pronounce.

Jack LaLanne

I recently read an article in the paper about Jack LaLanne who will be

turning 90 this year. He's thinking about swimming 30 miles from Catalina

Island to LA for his birthday. I tried to find the article to make sure I

had my facts correct but couldn't so I'm doing this from memory. He works

out from 5-7 every morning. He has a soy protein shake for breakfast, eats

a salad with at least 10 vegetables for lunch and the only meat he eats is

a 3 ounce portion of broiled fish for supper along with a salad with 10

vegetables. He doesn't think much of the Atkins diet as people " need

vegetables and whole grains. " He doesn't think people should drink

milk-- " What mammal drinks milk after being weaned? " He still has sex. He

says he doesn't perform as well as he used to but can still get it on. He

has a 31 inch waist and a 46 inch chest. He's 5'4 " tall.

He eats soy, very little meat and fat, doesn't eat sweets, and is

remarkably healthy. It's certainly not NT eating and isn't something I'll

ever do but it is obviously working for him. Just wanted to know what

others thought of this.

[Guest guest]

>I saw Jack LaLanne on TV a year or so ago - looks incredible for

>his age and

>its not all face lift. He was asked what his secret was. I will never

>forget his answer. He said he never ate anything he could not pronounce.

then i bet he didn't drink kefir since 99.9% of americans i've spoken with

mispronounce it.

(uh oh - am i asking for a linguistic scolding from mike parker?)

keh-FEER! ha! take that.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

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" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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[Guest guest]

> >I saw Jack LaLanne on TV a year or so ago - looks incredible for

> >his age and

> >its not all face lift. He was asked what his secret was. I will never

> >forget his answer. He said he never ate anything he could not pronounce.

>

>then i bet he didn't drink kefir since 99.9% of americans i've spoken with

>mispronounce it.

>

>(uh oh - am i asking for a linguistic scolding from mike parker?)

>

>keh-FEER! ha! take that.

>

The articles I read said he doesn't do dairy products at all. As for the

pronunciation thing, I would have been one of those 99.9% but now I know,

assuming you're correct and not the 99.9% of us. I was pronouncing it keh-FIR.

>Suze Fisher

>Lapdog Design, Inc.

>Web Design & Development

><http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg>http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze\

3shjg

>Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

><http://www.westonaprice.org>http://www.westonaprice.org

>

>----------------------------

> " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

>heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

>Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

>University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

>

>The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

><<http://www.thincs.org>http://www.thincs.org>

>----------------------------

>

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was pronouncing

>it keh-FIR.

most americans seem to pronounce it KEEHfur. some also pronounce it KEHfur.

assuming kefir king dom is correct, then it's actually pronounced " kef

e-er " . you can hear the audio of it on his website:

http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html or go to the

archives where i posted dom's pronunciation:

/files/Kefir/

we had a discussion about it's pronuncitation last year, which i was

thinking of when i said jack lalanne probably never had it since americans

tend not to pronounce it correctly (it was said in jest), and also when i

was alluding to a linguistic scolding from mike, since he did that last time

i protested the bastardized pronounciation of kefir that americans are so

fond of. <weg>

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg

Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

http://www.westonaprice.org

----------------------------

" The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

<http://www.thincs.org>

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[Guest guest]

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>It's certainly not NT eating and isn't something I'll

>ever do but it is obviously working for him. Just wanted to know what

>others thought of this.

What said. The occasional person is a genetic freak of nature,

able to soak up massive amounts of punishment and still do reasonably well,

and perhaps more to the point, awhile ago someone posted a like to an

article Chet Day wrote about various vegetarian (and similar) gurus who

don't in fact practice quite what they preach. Maybe someone can cough up

the URL? I couldn't find it.

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[Guest guest]

On Sun, 01 Feb 2004 13:11:20 -0500

Idol <Idol@...> wrote:

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>>It's certainly not NT eating and isn't something I'll

>>ever do but it is obviously working for him. Just wanted to know what

>>others thought of this.

>

>What said. The occasional person is a genetic freak of nature,

>able to soak up massive amounts of punishment and still do reasonably well,

>and perhaps more to the point, awhile ago someone posted a like to an

>article Chet Day wrote about various vegetarian (and similar) gurus who

>don't in fact practice quite what they preach. Maybe someone can cough up

>the URL? I couldn't find it.

>

>

>

>

>-

That would be me. Here is the link: http://chetday.com/healthgurus.htm

And below is a post I made awhile back talking about Jack LaLanne.

Abolish the FDA!!

http://tinyurl.com/25nu8

Jack Lalanne is a poor example of the vegetarian lifestyle. This is

another one of those things where the hype doesn't fit the reality.

First, for many years one can surmise Jack Lalanne was not a vegetarian.

As a former Mr. America one should assume that he ate just like

everybody else in his day and nothing in his writings or comments have

ever suggested otherwise. In fact they seem to suggest the opposite,

that he had a dietary and exercise conversion away from the bodybuilding

lifestyle of his day (which is very different from today's bodybuilding

lifestyle) at a later stage in his life.

So his foundational years most likely included a lot of animal

flesh/products of some sort.

Second he is NOT a vegetarian. There is no such thing as a 99%

vegetarian. All folks can be put into two categories when it comes to

food, those who eat animals and/or their products, and those who don't.

While in the popular vernacular we speak of certain kinds of vegetarians,

technically speaking you are either a vegan or you include animal foods.

To say someone is 99% vegetarian is to say someone can be 99% pregnant.

Such is nonsense. You either are or you aren't.

And I say that to say this, even a little bit of animal food can go a

long way in an otherwise " animal free " diet. LaLanne's consumption of

fish on regular basis provides many things he would otherwise not get.

Many of the so-called vegetarian gurus who are hyped today are not

vegetarians and never were: http://chetday.com/healthgurus.htm

Others have since given up their veganism (Harvey Diamond). And others,

like Lalanne, were never true vegetarians in the first place.

Also if you look at his website I see pictures of flesh foods there.

What's up with that if he thinks " vegetarianism " is so hot?

Third, the man looks absolutely terrible in the face and now in his body

as well as he has this strange idea of needing to lose a certain amount

of weight each year as he gets older.

I've seen other age advanced bodybuilders/health types and I would

rather look like them any day of the week. Bill Pearl (72 - lacto ovo

" vegetarian " ), Robby (56), even Al Beckles (probably in his

70's) all look better than Jack Lalanne and have for years. In fact

Pearl and look absolutely fantastic.

I think advocating

>one way over all else for everyone alike can't be right, a balance

>needs to be found. Everyone needs to become intuned to their body and

>ask, 'Is this right for me?'

>r

Of course, but in the aggregate, vegetarianism simply doesn't work over

the long haul. While the types and amounts of animal foods will vary

from place to place the fact is animal foods and or their products are

needed in our diets.

As I noted above vegetarianism doesn't even work for LaLanne. On a side

note, Jack LaLanne claims to work out two hours a day every day of the

week and has done so for decades. That is quite impressive and probably

in large part accounts for his longevity.

He seems to think so as he has stated the exercise is the king and diet

is the queen when it comes to health and longevity.

While I'm more than happy to bow to the popular understanding of

vegetarianism when talking to most folks, if we took that definition

seriously, then some of Price's healthy " primitives " could be classified

as vegetarians. And most serious vegetarians I know of want nothing to

do with Dr. Price, LOL!

The People vs. Rush Limbaugh

http://tinyurl.com/qon2

[Guest guest]

>That would be me. Here is the link: http://chetday.com/healthgurus.htm

Thanks, !

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[Guest guest]

> most americans seem to pronounce it KEEHfur.

Yep, that's how I pronounce it, as in " Ask not what you can do for

kefir, but what kefir can do for you! "

Lynn S.

[Guest guest]

Heidi,

The macrobiotic diet does contain wheat. In fact seitan (wheat meat made from

wheat gluten) is used as a yang energizing food. Wheat is also contained in

somen and udon noodles which may be eaten on rare occasions by those on a

healing diet. Michio used to say flour products were out for cancer patients but

seitan was okay. I used to cook for cancer patients (macrobiotically).

Elainie

[Guest guest]

>

>That would be me. Here is the link:

><http://chetday.com/healthgurus.htm>http://chetday.com/healthgurus.htm

Interesting information. I'd like to see someone do something on Reverend

Malkus of the Hallelujah Diet (www.hacres.com). His diet consists of

a barley grass drink, fresh carrot juice, salads, and a small portion of

cooked food once a day. It has no meat, dairy products, or eggs. He says he

cured himself of cancer with this diet. I believe he had a stroke awhile

back but is back to his full time schedule now.

Regarding this Chet Day link, has anyone ordered that dental book and stuff

from the site. I looked at it and it looks interesting but don't know if I

want to spend the money. If someone here has tried it, please share your

opinions on it.

[Guest guest]

> >It's certainly not NT eating and isn't something I'll

> >ever do but it is obviously working for him. Just wanted to know what

> >others thought of this.

>

>What said. The occasional person is a genetic freak of nature,

>able to soak up massive amounts of punishment and still do reasonably well,

>and perhaps more to the point, awhile ago someone posted a like to an

>article Chet Day wrote about various vegetarian (and similar) gurus who

>don't in fact practice quite what they preach. Maybe someone can cough up

>the URL? I couldn't find it.

That was a good article. There are some people who can eat massive amounts

of sugar and starch and drink a 6 pack of Mountain Dew a day and never gain

weight even though the most work they do is searching for the remote.

LaLanne doesn't eat like that but I guess I would consider them to be

freaks of nature also.

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[Guest guest]

I bookmarked this kefir page so I can find it when I finally run down a

source of raw milk for my kefir. Pronouncing is not as important as making

it and drinking it I guess. Thanks for posting that link.

>I was pronouncing

> >it keh-FIR.

>

>most americans seem to pronounce it KEEHfur. some also pronounce it KEHfur.

>assuming kefir king dom is correct, then it's actually pronounced " kef

>e-er " . you can hear the audio of it on his website:

><http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html>http://users.chariot.net.au/~d\

na/kefirpage.html

>or go to the

> archives where i posted dom's pronunciation:

>< /files/Kefir/>http://heal\

th./group/ /files/Kefir/

>

>

>we had a discussion about it's pronuncitation last year, which i was

>thinking of when i said jack lalanne probably never had it since americans

>tend not to pronounce it correctly (it was said in jest), and also when i

>was alluding to a linguistic scolding from mike, since he did that last time

>i protested the bastardized pronounciation of kefir that americans are so

>fond of. <weg>

>

>

>Suze Fisher

>Lapdog Design, Inc.

>Web Design & Development

><http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg>http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze\

3shjg

>Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine

><http://www.westonaprice.org>http://www.westonaprice.org

>

>----------------------------

> " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause

>heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " --

>Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt

>University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher.

>

>The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics

><<http://www.thincs.org>http://www.thincs.org>

>----------------------------

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>Interesting information. I'd like to see someone do something on Reverend

> Malkus of the Hallelujah Diet (www.hacres.com). His diet consists of

>a barley grass drink, fresh carrot juice, salads, and a small portion of

>cooked food once a day. It has no meat, dairy products, or eggs. He says he

>cured himself of cancer with this diet. I believe he had a stroke awhile

>back but is back to his full time schedule now.

Someone has pointed out that there are SEVERAL diets that seem to

cure cancer:

Macrobiotic (no meat)

Ajonus Vanderplatz (lots of meat)

Hallelujah (and some similar to that)

And what those diets seem to have in common is

no wheat and no dairy (or using fermented dairy).

In Dangerous Grains they used a GF diet to lessen

the side effects of radiation treatment, and those people

had a much better recovery rate than those on normal

diets. Since gluten, commercial milk, and nitrates have

all been very much connected to cancer, there may well

be something there ...

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Does this mean the nitrates in kimchee are null and void?

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From: Heidi Schuppenhauer [mailto:heidis@...]

Sent: Monday, 2 February 2004 10:36 AM

Subject: Re: Jack LaLanne

>Interesting information. I'd like to see someone do something on Reverend

> Malkus of the Hallelujah Diet (www.hacres.com). His diet consists of

>a barley grass drink, fresh carrot juice, salads, and a small portion of

>cooked food once a day. It has no meat, dairy products, or eggs. He says he

>cured himself of cancer with this diet. I believe he had a stroke awhile

>back but is back to his full time schedule now.

Someone has pointed out that there are SEVERAL diets that seem to

cure cancer:

Macrobiotic (no meat)

Ajonus Vanderplatz (lots of meat)

Hallelujah (and some similar to that)

And what those diets seem to have in common is

no wheat and no dairy (or using fermented dairy).

In Dangerous Grains they used a GF diet to lessen

the side effects of radiation treatment, and those people

had a much better recovery rate than those on normal

diets. Since gluten, commercial milk, and nitrates have

all been very much connected to cancer, there may well

be something there ...

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

:

>Does this mean the nitrates in kimchee are null and void?

All the studies I've seen on kimchi (and kraut) indicate

that kimchi and kraut eaters have LESS cancer, and

that the cabbage ferments into potent anti-carcinogens.

Plus I read that nitrates are disabled in your stomach,

if you have enough stomach acid ... you would think

that kimchi has enough acid? And nitrates cause

plants to grow nicely ... I wonder if they " fertilize "

some of the buggies in kimchi ...

I'm purely guessing though.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Would this also cover you think kimchee bought at the asian store?

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From: Heidi Schuppenhauer [mailto:heidis@...]

Sent: Monday, 2 February 2004 12:01 PM

Subject: RE: Jack LaLanne

:

>Does this mean the nitrates in kimchee are null and void?

All the studies I've seen on kimchi (and kraut) indicate

that kimchi and kraut eaters have LESS cancer, and

that the cabbage ferments into potent anti-carcinogens.

Plus I read that nitrates are disabled in your stomach,

if you have enough stomach acid ... you would think

that kimchi has enough acid? And nitrates cause

plants to grow nicely ... I wonder if they " fertilize "

some of the buggies in kimchi ...

I'm purely guessing though.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

>Heidi,

>The macrobiotic diet does contain wheat. In fact seitan (wheat meat made from

>wheat gluten) is used as a yang energizing food. Wheat is also contained in

>somen and udon noodles which may be eaten on rare occasions by those on a

>healing diet. Michio used to say flour products were out for cancer patients

but

>seitan was okay. I used to cook for cancer patients (macrobiotically).

>

>Elainie

Hmmm. Interesting ... is the seitan fermented?

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

At 05:36 PM 2/1/2004, you wrote:

> >Interesting information. I'd like to see someone do something on Reverend

> > Malkus of the Hallelujah Diet (www.hacres.com). His diet consists of

> >a barley grass drink, fresh carrot juice, salads, and a small portion of

> >cooked food once a day. It has no meat, dairy products, or eggs. He says he

> >cured himself of cancer with this diet. I believe he had a stroke awhile

> >back but is back to his full time schedule now.

>

>Someone has pointed out that there are SEVERAL diets that seem to

>cure cancer:

>

>Macrobiotic (no meat)

>Ajonus Vanderplatz (lots of meat)

>Hallelujah (and some similar to that)

>

>And what those diets seem to have in common is

>no wheat and no dairy (or using fermented dairy).

>In Dangerous Grains they used a GF diet to lessen

>the side effects of radiation treatment, and those people

>had a much better recovery rate than those on normal

>diets. Since gluten, commercial milk, and nitrates have

>all been very much connected to cancer, there may well

>be something there ...

>

>-- Heidi

In the Hallelujah diet, they do eat whole wheat bread.

>

[Guest guest]

>In the Hallelujah diet, they do eat whole wheat bread.

>

>

Well, Ok, that is 2 for my theory (against).

I was on Cliff Sheats for awhile, which DID allow whole

wheat bread, but we didn't eat it much, because no one

LIKED whole wheat bread. So maybe they are eating

LESS wheat.

Or maybe the problem is milk, such as it is produced here ...

Now you will tell me they eat milk too.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

>> He eats soy, very little meat and fat, doesn't eat sweets, and is

remarkably healthy. It's certainly not NT eating and isn't something I'll

ever do but it is obviously working for him. Just wanted to know what

others thought of this. <<

Well..... I think that individuals do better on different ways of eating and

with different lifestyles. What he does is NOT for me, that's for sure.... I

would be absolutely miserable and have endless diarrhea eating and living as he

does.

I also think that working out two hours a day is simply unrealistic for most

people, so assuming that some or all of his good health is dependent on working

out at that level, it's not really a way of living that can be widely emulated.

But I'm glad he found what floats his boat.

Christie

[Guest guest]

Heidi-

>Plus I read that nitrates are disabled in your stomach,

>if you have enough stomach acid ... you would think

>that kimchi has enough acid?

It could also depend on whether it's the right acid.

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[Guest guest]

Actually it's weirder than that. A high-carb diet seems to make some people fat

and

other people very skinny. I do a lot of my shopping at a large natural co-op in

san

francisco that's a hub of vegan/vegatarianism. A lot of the people who frequent

the

store are very skinny and sallow -- much more so than you'd see in the general

population. This isn't really informative without knowing their diets, but is an

interesting cultural note.

>

> That was a good article. There are some people who can eat massive amounts

> of sugar and starch and drink a 6 pack of Mountain Dew a day and never gain

> weight even though the most work they do is searching for the remote.

> LaLanne doesn't eat like that but I guess I would consider them to be

> freaks of nature also.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Anyone can work out 2 hours a day

It's the intensity level of those 2 hours that is the important factor to

take into consideration as to his time spent

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From: Christie [mailto:christiekeith@...]

Sent: Monday, 2 February 2004 3:07 PM

Subject: Re: Jack LaLanne

>> He eats soy, very little meat and fat, doesn't eat sweets, and is

remarkably healthy. It's certainly not NT eating and isn't something I'll

ever do but it is obviously working for him. Just wanted to know what

others thought of this. <<

Well..... I think that individuals do better on different ways of eating and

with different lifestyles. What he does is NOT for me, that's for sure.... I

would be absolutely miserable and have endless diarrhea eating and living as

he does.

I also think that working out two hours a day is simply unrealistic for most

people, so assuming that some or all of his good health is dependent on

working out at that level, it's not really a way of living that can be

widely emulated.

But I'm glad he found what floats his boat.

Christie

[Guest guest]

No, seitan is not fermented, it's pure wheat gluten made from mixing whole

wheat flour and water , kneading and washing all the bran off until pure wheat

gluten remains. It's then cooked in a broth. Other foods in the macro diet that

are made from seitan are fu and those are dried rings and sheets made of

gluten .

Whole cooked soybeans are also used (one such dish is *vitality stew*) and

black soybeans are eaten cooked to help *break up* fat deposits and tumors. Soy

shows up and it's not just tofu , miso, tamari, natto and tempeh.

Elainie