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My son has also been subjected to bullying and ridicule for his

symptoms. It has been very hard for both of us. He is on homebound

instruction for the moment(also in va beach), which is another way

of saying he is homeschooled but the school assigns work and grades

it. I wish we had better options. I do not feel the school has

addressed the bullying at all. They suggest homeschooling often and

try to minimize the problem. It is an impossible situation. The

good news is my son is very outgoing and is still doing well in

extra curricular (non school) social outlets, but he should be able

to participate in school activities!

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> In a message dated 4/13/2007 11:27:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> wallflower67@... writes:

>

> I've talked to the counselor, and they have been good at moving

kids, but

> it's getting to the point where they can't just move everyone!

>

> How much is too much? I've thought about sending her to a

private school

> for learning disabled kids (because she has a serious learning

disability too,

> we have an IEP). But that would mean she would have to give up

violin, and

> she really likes playing in the orchestra.

>

>

> Laurie

>

> Oh - your poor dd. And bless her heart - violin!!!! Nothing too

easy

> there, eh? My dd took violin in 4th & 5th grade then finally

just gave it up.

> She still enjoyed playing it, but it was just too much practicing

for her - she

> wanted to do other things too.

>

> Many schools have a " zero tolerance " for bullying these days

because of all

> the bad press that has come of it. I would push the issue with

the school.

> Just physically moving kids is NOT the answer. These kids need

to be dealt

> with - they need to be taught that what they're doing is

unacceptable. Their

> parents should also be brought into it. Learning disability or

not, your

> daughter has every right to be in that school & not be harassed

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svdbyhislove <BJClosner@...> wrote: <I don't work outside the home.

The heart stuff is so unpredictable

that I can't. I can't imagine they would let you go lay down whenever

you needed to on a job. If I could work, the extra income would sure

help though.>

Oh duh....I knew that! That's another reason I was thinking about home

schooling. It is hard when I " m having my own health problems, to have to help

with homework. Sometimes on the phone with my step- kids now. Now that dh is

in town more, he can help his own kids. Their mom is a " sink or swim " mother.

So she doesn't help them much.

<When we are schooling, Josh schools for about 3-4 hours a day. He is

in 9th grade, so does more than he used to. Most of his friends who

go to public school put in 2-3 hours of homework once they get home.>

Okay...3-4, or even 5 hours a day doesn't sound bad. We would just have to do

extra on some days if I work a lot that week.

<I provide the curriculum, write up the assignments, correct his

schoolwork and take him to activities. If he gets stuck (which is

seldom) we tackle it together. There are answer books and solutions

manuals, so it's not as hard as it would sound.>

Do you use any particular curriculum? Or do you pick from a variety of

things? From what I've heard you can buy whole curriculums, but I'm not sure

I'd want to do that.

<There is a great site that gives you information on homeschool laws

concerning different states. It is hslda.com. >

Thanks for the link!

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I know I will always support my daughter, even if she turns into a son, I know

she'll be the same person inside. It would just be REALLY hard for me. I'd

have to not let her know that, I think.

My brother is gay, and since he is younger than me, I actually knew what he

was first because he didn't know about the word homosexual. But we always knew

he was different. He is not out to our parents, but he is to my dh and me and

his friends.

My daughter started wanting to be a boy when she was about 7 or 8...the time

her OCD and ADHD kicked in. I wonder if she thought maybe she wouldn't have

those problems if she was a boy? I tried to get it out of her buy never could.

She has never been sexually abused, unless someone out side the home did it.

I've asked, as much as you can ask a kid without scaring them.

She always played with " action figures " rather than dolls. When she was

young, it was her Barney and Disney figures. I gave all her Barbies away. She

had one baby doll that she played with. She is physically active, and likes to

run like the boys, but she isn't really into sports, though. I put her in

soccer and basketball through the Y. But she also took gymnastics and dance.

She likes dance, and wants to ice skate like her friend...until I point out that

she would have to wear stage make up and girly clothes. We quit dance because I

told her I wasn't going another year with her screaming while I was putting make

up on her for the dance recital! (and also I objected to some of the " sexy "

costumes that the older girls were wearing "

She doesn't like having periods, but has adjusted. To her, sex is disgusting,

which is fine by me! But if you talk about someone being gay she just laughs

like any kid that age.

I gues I'll have to wait and see. Right now, school is a real problem for

her, socially. I wonder if gender dysphoria is part of the problem

And yet, occasionally she will say something that is girl-like.

Laurie

mzdaisee47 <mzdaisee@...> wrote:

" She actually wants to be a boy, which is it's own worry. "

Laurie,

I personally know 2 people who have dealt with gender dysphoria. One

had gender reasignment surgery. The other is married and therefore

will not have surgery. Both have believed all their lives that they

were given the wrong body at birth. It was not a decision they made.

Even as small children they felt more like the other gender. If your

daughter just says she wants to be a boy, perhaps this is not true

for her and she is just imagining her life would be easier as a boy.

Has she always wanted to change or this something recent? Also, does

she enjoy boy activities more than girly things? Has she ever been

sexually abused? It could be that she just does not want to deal with

monthly things, etc. My 11 yr old daughter is grossed out by the idea

of periods and still thinks sex is gross (although she fantasizes

about it a lot). She also has to be nagged constantly about

grooming/hygiene and dresses really weird, but not like a boy. She is

just very unique. Well, what I actually started out to say is that

whatever way your daughter goes as an adult, she is still the same

person inside and it is so wonderful that you are open-minded and

will support her no matter what. So many families are intolerant when

their offspring lead non-traditional lifestyles or want non-

traditional things in their life. If wanting to be a boy is part of

the OCD, it will pass. She has enough to deal with. Bless you both.

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Wow...that sounds great!. So she can do sports, instruments, clubs, etc.? Do

you think they would have been willing to work with you if they had not been for

the homeschooling themselves?

Laurie

Wood <gladtobegreek@...> wrote:

Hi Laurie,

I live in Michigan and we are with the Livonia School district. It is pretty

large. My daughter missed a total of 68 days between Sept. and Jan. My husband

and I were at a meeting with them to figure out what we wanted to do. We were

ready to tell them that we had decided to homeschool, and believe or not, that

was the first thing out of the pricipal's mouth! He felt, along with everyone

else that it would be her best option. She has no learning disabilites, so he

said there was not much the school could do to help keep her stay there all day.

We had a 504, but she was so behind in school work she could never catch up. Her

anxiety and panic attacks were really bad. They had no problem and consider her

a part-time student. She's allowed to keep her locker, to participate in all

activities, etc. They have been very good. It is almost too hard to believe

sometimes. If I can help you in any other way, please let me know. It has been a

long, hard journey, but I think we

have some peace for now!

God bless,

Becky

wallflower wrote:

Yes, this helps a lot. Do you live in a large school district? Did they work

well with you right off, or did you have to fight with them a bit (or beg them

or whatever)?

Laurie

gladtobegreek wrote:

I'm homeschooling my 13 year old her core classes and she is

going to school for electives (computer, music, yearbook, etc.) The

school is working well with us. I understand what your mom is saying,

but the lasting damage that can be done by bullying is far worse then

any damage that would be done from not socializing. Besides, there

are many homeschooling groups and outside activities that she can be

a part of. My daughter is doing well. Her anxiety has lessened and

she finally seems happy. She actually enjoys going to school now. I

just realized that she couldn't be there all day. She was like a

square peg being forced to fit into a round hole. She's maturing and

she will get there someday, but for now, I feel this will help her to

succeed in the long run. I hope this has helped.

God bless,

Becky

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Wow...that sounds great!. So she can do sports, instruments, clubs, etc.? Do

you think they would have been willing to work with you if they had not been for

the homeschooling themselves?

Laurie

Wood <gladtobegreek@...> wrote:

Hi Laurie,

I live in Michigan and we are with the Livonia School district. It is pretty

large. My daughter missed a total of 68 days between Sept. and Jan. My husband

and I were at a meeting with them to figure out what we wanted to do. We were

ready to tell them that we had decided to homeschool, and believe or not, that

was the first thing out of the pricipal's mouth! He felt, along with everyone

else that it would be her best option. She has no learning disabilites, so he

said there was not much the school could do to help keep her stay there all day.

We had a 504, but she was so behind in school work she could never catch up. Her

anxiety and panic attacks were really bad. They had no problem and consider her

a part-time student. She's allowed to keep her locker, to participate in all

activities, etc. They have been very good. It is almost too hard to believe

sometimes. If I can help you in any other way, please let me know. It has been a

long, hard journey, but I think we

have some peace for now!

God bless,

Becky

wallflower wrote:

Yes, this helps a lot. Do you live in a large school district? Did they work

well with you right off, or did you have to fight with them a bit (or beg them

or whatever)?

Laurie

gladtobegreek wrote:

I'm homeschooling my 13 year old her core classes and she is

going to school for electives (computer, music, yearbook, etc.) The

school is working well with us. I understand what your mom is saying,

but the lasting damage that can be done by bullying is far worse then

any damage that would be done from not socializing. Besides, there

are many homeschooling groups and outside activities that she can be

a part of. My daughter is doing well. Her anxiety has lessened and

she finally seems happy. She actually enjoys going to school now. I

just realized that she couldn't be there all day. She was like a

square peg being forced to fit into a round hole. She's maturing and

she will get there someday, but for now, I feel this will help her to

succeed in the long run. I hope this has helped.

God bless,

Becky

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I forgot to ask....do you buy your own text books? Or since the school is

willing to work with you, will they supply then for you?

Laurie

Wood <gladtobegreek@...> wrote:

Hi Laurie,

I live in Michigan and we are with the Livonia School district. It is pretty

large. My daughter missed a total of 68 days between Sept. and Jan. My husband

and I were at a meeting with them to figure out what we wanted to do. We were

ready to tell them that we had decided to homeschool, and believe or not, that

was the first thing out of the pricipal's mouth! He felt, along with everyone

else that it would be her best option. She has no learning disabilites, so he

said there was not much the school could do to help keep her stay there all day.

We had a 504, but she was so behind in school work she could never catch up. Her

anxiety and panic attacks were really bad. They had no problem and consider her

a part-time student. She's allowed to keep her locker, to participate in all

activities, etc. They have been very good. It is almost too hard to believe

sometimes. If I can help you in any other way, please let me know. It has been a

long, hard journey, but I think we

have some peace for now!

God bless,

Becky

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I forgot to ask....do you buy your own text books? Or since the school is

willing to work with you, will they supply then for you?

Laurie

Wood <gladtobegreek@...> wrote:

Hi Laurie,

I live in Michigan and we are with the Livonia School district. It is pretty

large. My daughter missed a total of 68 days between Sept. and Jan. My husband

and I were at a meeting with them to figure out what we wanted to do. We were

ready to tell them that we had decided to homeschool, and believe or not, that

was the first thing out of the pricipal's mouth! He felt, along with everyone

else that it would be her best option. She has no learning disabilites, so he

said there was not much the school could do to help keep her stay there all day.

We had a 504, but she was so behind in school work she could never catch up. Her

anxiety and panic attacks were really bad. They had no problem and consider her

a part-time student. She's allowed to keep her locker, to participate in all

activities, etc. They have been very good. It is almost too hard to believe

sometimes. If I can help you in any other way, please let me know. It has been a

long, hard journey, but I think we

have some peace for now!

God bless,

Becky

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I'm going to talk to the counselor again this week. This is hard! It reminds

me of when i was powerless at her age.

Laurie

jtlt@... wrote:

Oh - your poor dd. And bless her heart - violin!!!! Nothing too easy

there, eh? My dd took violin in 4th & 5th grade then finally just gave it up.

She still enjoyed playing it, but it was just too much practicing for her - she

wanted to do other things too.

Many schools have a " zero tolerance " for bullying these days because of all

the bad press that has come of it. I would push the issue with the school.

Just physically moving kids is NOT the answer. These kids need to be dealt

with - they need to be taught that what they're doing is unacceptable. Their

parents should also be brought into it. Learning disability or not, your

daughter has every right to be in that school & not be harassed

LT.

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She is at such an awkward stage. She lumbers when she walks...she grew so fast

I think it's hard to keep her balance. So Taekwondo is not as easy for

her....right when she's about to test for her Black Belt

No interests in boys...or girls either. I've been trying to keep that line of

communication open. I didn't get into boys really until I was 15, though I

pretended to when I was 13.

Laurie

<@...> wrote:

Yes, she WANTS to be a boy. She has been saying this for

several years. About 3 to 4 years ago she refused to wear " girl "

clothes. She has worn only " boy " pants and t-shirts and sweat shirts

since then.

She's only in 6th grade? Some kids are older than peers with some

things in life - being interested in dating, clothing style

changes, " admitting " you are interested in the opposite sex, physical

development.... I buy men's jeans, they fit me better! :) (no, not

the baggy kind my sons buy!) and I bought the men's sweatshirts this

past fall as I hated the new women's style in the local stores

(changed the neck & sleeve style and stitching).

And when still in school, even if she decides to change her clothing

style, it'd be hard to do without comments from peers and perhaps

drawing attention to herself (I hate attention on me!).

7th grade was when I went boy crazy! I thought my sons would never

get interested in girls in THAT way, they were past 7th grade too.

Well... did like a few but no girlfriend until high school.

(YAY! I was glad about that, LOL)

With boys/men and OCD, wondering if they might possibly be gay is

common. Probably common for girls/women to wonder about themselves

at times too. It is the " doubting disease. "

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She is at such an awkward stage. She lumbers when she walks...she grew so fast

I think it's hard to keep her balance. So Taekwondo is not as easy for

her....right when she's about to test for her Black Belt

No interests in boys...or girls either. I've been trying to keep that line of

communication open. I didn't get into boys really until I was 15, though I

pretended to when I was 13.

Laurie

<@...> wrote:

Yes, she WANTS to be a boy. She has been saying this for

several years. About 3 to 4 years ago she refused to wear " girl "

clothes. She has worn only " boy " pants and t-shirts and sweat shirts

since then.

She's only in 6th grade? Some kids are older than peers with some

things in life - being interested in dating, clothing style

changes, " admitting " you are interested in the opposite sex, physical

development.... I buy men's jeans, they fit me better! :) (no, not

the baggy kind my sons buy!) and I bought the men's sweatshirts this

past fall as I hated the new women's style in the local stores

(changed the neck & sleeve style and stitching).

And when still in school, even if she decides to change her clothing

style, it'd be hard to do without comments from peers and perhaps

drawing attention to herself (I hate attention on me!).

7th grade was when I went boy crazy! I thought my sons would never

get interested in girls in THAT way, they were past 7th grade too.

Well... did like a few but no girlfriend until high school.

(YAY! I was glad about that, LOL)

With boys/men and OCD, wondering if they might possibly be gay is

common. Probably common for girls/women to wonder about themselves

at times too. It is the " doubting disease. "

Quick thoughts this a.m.!

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http://www.worrywisekids.org ), Dan Geller, M.D.,Aureen Pinto Wagner, Ph.D., (

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Wow! This makes me feel better! This does sound a lot like my daughter! I

think she now just attaches herself to the " boy " version of anything. It's like

an identity thing to her. I " m sure she'd love the camouflage thing, but I think

that was in style a few years ago. I can't find any now. <sigh>

Laurie

jtlt@... wrote:

Give it some time. This is another thing I can personally relate to. My dd

didn't " become a girl " until, literally, the day before 8th grade started.

Up until then, she wanted to be a male Marine. HAHA I'm TOTALLY serious!!!!

My sweet baby girl owned a complete set of camouflage - she would play

'marines' with the neighborhood kids (mostly boys) and go on " missions " in the

back yards... my husband gave her some camouflage face paint & she thought it

was THE BEST present EVER. When our nephew joined the Marines & went to boot

camp in South Carolina, we all went to his graduation and my dd actually wore

her camouflage uniform to his ceremony! She absolutely idolized that boy.

In 5th grade health class they passed out free deodorant - Secret for the

girls & Old Spice for the boys.... THREE GUESSES which my daughter brought

home!!!!!

She also only wore her older brother's hand-me-downs. I could NEVER shop in

the girls dept for her - only boys. Then, suddenly, as if someone clicked a

light switch on..... it was a complete panic that we get out & shop for

" girl " clothes the DAY BEFORE 8th grade started. That's about when we went broke

with shopping expenses!!! HA!!!!

I guess what I'm trying to say is.... relax, she will change, but let her do

it in her own time. There's nothing wrong with being a 'tom boy' and it's

not worth making them feel self-conscious about it by forcing the issue with

pink bows & dresses. Now, a sophomore in high school, my daughter wears ALL

the girl stuff.... hip hugger jeans, tight tops, the only " cammies " she wears

now are camisole tops.... {{{{{{{sigh}}}}}}} and the cost of her clothing has

gone WAY up since the " boys dept " shopping days!

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Wow! This makes me feel better! This does sound a lot like my daughter! I

think she now just attaches herself to the " boy " version of anything. It's like

an identity thing to her. I " m sure she'd love the camouflage thing, but I think

that was in style a few years ago. I can't find any now. <sigh>

Laurie

jtlt@... wrote:

Give it some time. This is another thing I can personally relate to. My dd

didn't " become a girl " until, literally, the day before 8th grade started.

Up until then, she wanted to be a male Marine. HAHA I'm TOTALLY serious!!!!

My sweet baby girl owned a complete set of camouflage - she would play

'marines' with the neighborhood kids (mostly boys) and go on " missions " in the

back yards... my husband gave her some camouflage face paint & she thought it

was THE BEST present EVER. When our nephew joined the Marines & went to boot

camp in South Carolina, we all went to his graduation and my dd actually wore

her camouflage uniform to his ceremony! She absolutely idolized that boy.

In 5th grade health class they passed out free deodorant - Secret for the

girls & Old Spice for the boys.... THREE GUESSES which my daughter brought

home!!!!!

She also only wore her older brother's hand-me-downs. I could NEVER shop in

the girls dept for her - only boys. Then, suddenly, as if someone clicked a

light switch on..... it was a complete panic that we get out & shop for

" girl " clothes the DAY BEFORE 8th grade started. That's about when we went broke

with shopping expenses!!! HA!!!!

I guess what I'm trying to say is.... relax, she will change, but let her do

it in her own time. There's nothing wrong with being a 'tom boy' and it's

not worth making them feel self-conscious about it by forcing the issue with

pink bows & dresses. Now, a sophomore in high school, my daughter wears ALL

the girl stuff.... hip hugger jeans, tight tops, the only " cammies " she wears

now are camisole tops.... {{{{{{{sigh}}}}}}} and the cost of her clothing has

gone WAY up since the " boys dept " shopping days!

LT

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> Hi Laurie,

>

> I live in Michigan and we are with the Livonia School district. It

is pretty large. My daughter missed a total of 68 days between Sept.

and Jan. My husband and I were at a meeting with them to figure out

what we wanted to do. We were ready to tell them that we had decided

to homeschool, and believe or not, that was the first thing out of

the pricipal's mouth! He felt, along with everyone else that it would

be her best option. She has no learning disabilites, so he said there

was not much the school could do to help keep her stay there all day.

We had a 504, but she was so behind in school work she could never

catch up. Her anxiety and panic attacks were really bad. They had no

problem and consider her a part-time student. She's allowed to keep

her locker, to participate in all activities, etc. They have been

very good. It is almost too hard to believe sometimes. If I can help

you in any other way, please let me know. It has been a long, hard

journey, but I think we

> have some peace for now!

>

> God bless,

> Becky

>

> Hi Laurie,

No. When she was homebound they supplied the books, but once she

went on homeschool status we had to. I went with A Beka books. It is

a good curriculum, I'm very pleased. Your district may be

different,so I would ask them if they supply materials for you.

God bless,

Becky

>

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> Hi Laurie,

>

> I live in Michigan and we are with the Livonia School district. It

is pretty large. My daughter missed a total of 68 days between Sept.

and Jan. My husband and I were at a meeting with them to figure out

what we wanted to do. We were ready to tell them that we had decided

to homeschool, and believe or not, that was the first thing out of

the pricipal's mouth! He felt, along with everyone else that it would

be her best option. She has no learning disabilites, so he said there

was not much the school could do to help keep her stay there all day.

We had a 504, but she was so behind in school work she could never

catch up. Her anxiety and panic attacks were really bad. They had no

problem and consider her a part-time student. She's allowed to keep

her locker, to participate in all activities, etc. They have been

very good. It is almost too hard to believe sometimes. If I can help

you in any other way, please let me know. It has been a long, hard

journey, but I think we

> have some peace for now!

>

> God bless,

> Becky

>

> Hi Laurie,

No. When she was homebound they supplied the books, but once she

went on homeschool status we had to. I went with A Beka books. It is

a good curriculum, I'm very pleased. Your district may be

different,so I would ask them if they supply materials for you.

God bless,

Becky

>

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> I'm homeschooling my 13 year old her core classes and she is

> going to school for electives (computer, music, yearbook, etc.) The

> school is working well with us. I understand what your mom is

saying,

> but the lasting damage that can be done by bullying is far worse

then

> any damage that would be done from not socializing. Besides, there

> are many homeschooling groups and outside activities that she can

be

> a part of. My daughter is doing well. Her anxiety has lessened and

> she finally seems happy. She actually enjoys going to school now. I

> just realized that she couldn't be there all day. She was like a

> square peg being forced to fit into a round hole. She's maturing

and

> she will get there someday, but for now, I feel this will help her

to

> succeed in the long run. I hope this has helped.

> God bless,

> Becky

> > > ---------------------------------

> > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell?

> > > Check outnew cars at Autos.

> > >

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> I'm homeschooling my 13 year old her core classes and she is

> going to school for electives (computer, music, yearbook, etc.) The

> school is working well with us. I understand what your mom is

saying,

> but the lasting damage that can be done by bullying is far worse

then

> any damage that would be done from not socializing. Besides, there

> are many homeschooling groups and outside activities that she can

be

> a part of. My daughter is doing well. Her anxiety has lessened and

> she finally seems happy. She actually enjoys going to school now. I

> just realized that she couldn't be there all day. She was like a

> square peg being forced to fit into a round hole. She's maturing

and

> she will get there someday, but for now, I feel this will help her

to

> succeed in the long run. I hope this has helped.

> God bless,

> Becky

> > > ---------------------------------

> > > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell?

> > > Check outnew cars at Autos.

> > >

> > >

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That's interesting that they actually suggest homeschooling. I was afraid that

my dd's school would freak out if I suggested such a thing. Maybe they will. I

pay taxes no matter where she goes.

Laurie

mega_mommie <mega_mommie@...> wrote:

My son has also been subjected to bullying and ridicule for his

symptoms. It has been very hard for both of us. He is on homebound

instruction for the moment(also in va beach), which is another way

of saying he is homeschooled but the school assigns work and grades

it. I wish we had better options. I do not feel the school has

addressed the bullying at all. They suggest homeschooling often and

try to minimize the problem. It is an impossible situation. The

good news is my son is very outgoing and is still doing well in

extra curricular (non school) social outlets, but he should be able

to participate in school activities!

mm

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<I don't work outside the

home. The heart stuff is so unpredictable

> that I can't. I can't imagine they would let you go lay down whenever

> you needed to on a job. If I could work, the extra income would sure

> help though.>

>

>

> Oh duh....I knew that! That's another reason I was thinking about

home schooling. It is hard when I " m having my own health problems, to

have to help with homework. Sometimes on the phone with my step- kids

now. Now that dh is in town more, he can help his own kids. Their

mom is a " sink or swim " mother. So she doesn't help them much.

>

>

>

> <When we are schooling, Josh schools for about 3-4 hours a day. He is

> in 9th grade, so does more than he used to. Most of his friends who

> go to public school put in 2-3 hours of homework once they get home.>

>

> Okay...3-4, or even 5 hours a day doesn't sound bad. We would

just have to do extra on some days if I work a lot that week.

>

> <I provide the curriculum, write up the assignments, correct his

> schoolwork and take him to activities. If he gets stuck (which is

> seldom) we tackle it together. There are answer books and solutions

> manuals, so it's not as hard as it would sound.>

>

> Do you use any particular curriculum? Or do you pick from a

variety of things? From what I've heard you can buy whole

curriculums, but I'm not sure I'd want to do that.

>

>

> <There is a great site that gives you information on homeschool laws

> concerning different states. It is hslda.com. >

>

> Thanks for the link!

>

> Laurie

>

>

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> Check outnew cars at Autos.

>

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This is great info! thanks!

svdbyhislove <BJClosner@...> wrote: home. The heart stuff is so unpredictable

> that I can't. I can't imagine they would let you go lay down whenever

> you needed to on a job. If I could work, the extra income would sure

> help though.>

>

>

> Oh duh....I knew that! That's another reason I was thinking about

home schooling. It is hard when I " m having my own health problems, to

have to help with homework. Sometimes on the phone with my step- kids

now. Now that dh is in town more, he can help his own kids. Their

mom is a " sink or swim " mother. So she doesn't help them much.

>

>

>

> > in 9th grade, so does more than he used to. Most of his friends who

> go to public school put in 2-3 hours of homework once they get home.>

>

> Okay...3-4, or even 5 hours a day doesn't sound bad. We would

just have to do extra on some days if I work a lot that week.

>

> > schoolwork and take him to activities. If he gets stuck (which is

> seldom) we tackle it together. There are answer books and solutions

> manuals, so it's not as hard as it would sound.>

>

> Do you use any particular curriculum? Or do you pick from a

variety of things? From what I've heard you can buy whole

curriculums, but I'm not sure I'd want to do that.

>

>

> > concerning different states. It is hslda.com. >

>

> Thanks for the link!

>

> Laurie

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell?

> Check outnew cars at Autos.

>

>

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You are welcome, ((((Laurie))))

BJ

home. The heart stuff is so unpredictable

> > that I can't. I can't imagine they would let you go lay down whenever

> > you needed to on a job. If I could work, the extra income would sure

> > help though.>

> >

> >

> > Oh duh....I knew that! That's another reason I was thinking about

> home schooling. It is hard when I " m having my own health problems, to

> have to help with homework. Sometimes on the phone with my step- kids

> now. Now that dh is in town more, he can help his own kids. Their

> mom is a " sink or swim " mother. So she doesn't help them much.

> >

> >

> >

> > > in 9th grade, so does more than he used to. Most of his friends who

> > go to public school put in 2-3 hours of homework once they get home.>

> >

> > Okay...3-4, or even 5 hours a day doesn't sound bad. We would

> just have to do extra on some days if I work a lot that week.

> >

> > > schoolwork and take him to activities. If he gets stuck (which is

> > seldom) we tackle it together. There are answer books and solutions

> > manuals, so it's not as hard as it would sound.>

> >

> > Do you use any particular curriculum? Or do you pick from a

> variety of things? From what I've heard you can buy whole

> curriculums, but I'm not sure I'd want to do that.

> >

> >

> > > concerning different states. It is hslda.com. >

> >

> > Thanks for the link!

> >

> > Laurie

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell?

> > Check outnew cars at Autos.

> >

> >

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thank you! This is great info!

mega_mommie <mega_mommie@...> wrote: In doing my own

OCD/parenting/treatment research, I found an

interesting article many of you may be interested concerning bullying

of children with OCD. Here is the link:

http://www.psychiatry.ufl.edu/In%20The%20News/Gainesvillesun10_com.htm

It is based on research into the topic by Storch, PhD. out of U.

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Thanks Liz!

Since this used to be a hot topic (doesn't come up as much today which is I hope

a good sign)

thought I'd share some archives but again hope nobody needs to read this!)

Happy Thanksgiving!!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Start of archives:

Re: NEED HELP WITH MY DAUGHTERS RIGHTS

" Physical Bullies

Physical bullies are action-oriented. This type of bullying includes

hitting or kicking the victim, or, taking or damaging the victim's

property. This is the least sophisticated type of bullying because

it is so easy to identify. Physical bullies are soon known to the

entire population in the school. As they get older, their attacks

usually become more aggressive. These aggressive characteristics

manifest themselves as bullies become adults. "

http://www.bullybeware.com/moreinfo.html

" You and your son need some help! I am relieved to hear that you are

not counseling him to fight back because that kind of action can

lead to much more serious harm for your son. Please re-contact the

school. You may want to consider showing them the email you sent.

Your son deserves to feel safe at school, and it sounds as if he is

being targeted. Set up a meeting with the teacher, counselor and

administrator. Write out your concerns and what your son needs in

order to feel safe and successful at school. Contact the school

liaison officer (police officer) and ask for some assistance. Expect

some help and support from the school, for both your son and

yourselves. If you are unsatisfied with the results of your meeting,

contact the district superintendent or assistant superintendent. It

is also a good idea to keep a written record of all phone

conversations and meetings that you attend. Act right away. Your son

needs you to advocate on his behalf. Good luck.

Cindi Seddon "

http://www.readersdigest.ca/mag/2001/10/bullyingexpert.html

Hi !

I appreciate both the bully and the victims need help, but as the

mother (and 's grandma) of one of the victims who has been both

attacked and threatened, I'm sure your primary concern is the safety

of your precious child. Your fear and frustration come through in

your reaching out here to seek help for your daughter to protect her

from this

aggressive child in her school. I hope this

email will provide you with information that may help you to best

help protect your daughter.

I'm shocked to be honest in today's day and age of zero tolerance

that the principal doesn't know how to handle this boy who attacks

and threatens others. Where I now live in Florida -my babysitter

was arrested for protecting herself against a bully. Of course all

charges were dropped because she is a straight A student and a good

kid with no history and others saw she was just protecting herself -

but point being the police were called in to arrest those that are

in fights here. Even just for self defense. Arrested!

You say the professionals in the school are actually afraid of this

child? Just how old is he? My friend Ann DeJury is a teacher in

elementary school and years ago after giving a student detention one

day, he came back the next day with a gun and pointed it at her.

Amazingly Ann's first reaction was not fear, she told me her first

reaction was anger. She yelled firmly at this child " You put that

gun down this INSTANT young man! " and he did. It was BTW a real

gun, and they believe her way of handling it was the best possible

way. I'd hate to know if someone researched that to know for sure

however. Ann said she thought the gun was a toy and didn't stop to

think of it being anything but. (and yes she's a mother of three)

So believe me I appreciate there could be fear of students. Here is

a recent article on this

http://www.courier-journal.com/localnews/2004/04/01ky/A1-strike0401-13506.html

My advice to you is learn all you can about zero tolerance. Find

information you find relevant to your grandson's situation and your

fear for his safety, and send it with a letter, return receipt

requested, to the school principal. Essentially just write in the

letter all you wrote here -and perhaps include some of the quotes

from some of the resources I will provide below...and... the most

important part of the letter is at the bottom -put the letters " cc "

Of course the cc is to all the local newspapers, TV news stations,

town and state officials, and perhaps, why not, the US Department of

Education.

The following quote is from a website that has much information on

bullying.

" The United Nations Charter of Rights for Children states, in part,

that:

every child has the right to an education and;

every child has the right to be safe "

http://www.bullybeware.com/moreinfo.html

How to deal with Bullying

http://www.readersdigest.ca/mag/2001/10/bullyingexpert.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~start of archive

There is other information about bullying below too that may help -

there is much more in the archives here since unfortunately this

isn't the first time this has come up. Also this is covered in The

Late Talker book

Some of the links from the two archived messages below you may need

to cut and paste:

From: " kiddietalk " <kiddietalk@...>

Date: Mon Sep 9, 2002 10:05 pm

Subject: Re: PLEASE please help

-Hi Ann Marie!

I have more serious links and info below -however, since your child

is 17 -here is something that MTV is doing that may be of interest.

I used to work on the same floor (the old Honeymooner's Central Park

West floor) with Fred and Allan -the guys that originally started

MTV and some others from there " I want my MTV " -some of the nicest

people you would ever want to meet! This open call request has been

listed at a few sites now including bullying.org: (If you go to MTV-

tell I said Hi!! My name then was Fernandez

http://www.awn.com/mag/issue2.10/2.10pages/2.10mtv.html ) The

suggested books below (the MTV stuff) look like they would be good

for all of us to look through for our kids.

WANT TO REINVENT YOURSELF? MTV CAN HELP YOU GET 'MADE'

If you're a U.S. high school student and are regularly picked on by

bullies, you could be the subject of a new MTV series called 'Made'!

Never had the time, resources, courage, or confidence to learn how

to walk tall and not be scared? We'll give you the training you need

to defend yourself, walk with confidence, and face down bullies.

EMAIL YOUR STORY to made@.... TELL US WHAT YOUR GOAL IS?

WHY DO YOU THINK YOU CAN MAKE IT? WHY DO YOU NEED US TO HELP YOU

REINVENT YOURSELF? WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO GIVE UP TO ACHIEVE YOUR

GOAL? Be sure to include your name, age, location and contact

information including phone number, address and email.

#7 - MTV CASTS NEW SERIES THAT MAKES DREAMS COME TRUE

MTV is casting for a new television series, Made. In the series,

young people between the ages of 16 and 25 will divulge their dreams

of what they want to become, and a team of experts will help make

those dreams come true. They could become the ultimate football

hero, the game-winning scorer, the star of a play or anything else

they can dream because they will receive all the coaching,

makeovers, teaching, training, mentoring and anything they need to

become their fantasies.

Young people interested in participating in Made should mail their

stories to made@... and include what they want to be " made "

into in the subject line. Or, they should send standard VHS or mini

DV videotapes as soon as possible but no later than August 12, 2002,

to MADE, c/o MTV Networks, 1633 Broadway, 32nd Floor, New York, NY

10019, Attn: Day. In either case, potential cast members

should include their name, age, year in school (if applicable),

location, phone number, home address, and e-mail address. Those

interested in appearing in Made should tell their stories of what

they want to be " made " into, what goals they have, and why they need

MTV's help to achieve their goals.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Books

Verbal Abuse: Healing the Hidden Wound

" Whether the abuser is your mother, your father, your boss, your

husband, your child's teacher, or your friend -- this book will help

you recover your self-esteem " Dr. Grace Ketterman is the Medical

Director of the Crittenton Center in Kansas City, Missouri, and

author of several books

Time to Tell 'Em Off! A Pocket Guide to Overcoming Peer Ridicule

Author: Deanna If you're a kid or teen being

ridiculed/bullied, here's sympathy and advice from someone who

survived the same torture.

Reading level: about 5th through 12th grade

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A few websites that talk about the social aversion/low self esteem

link you asked for:

Emotional Abuse

Verbal abuse, causing serious emotional damage, as exhibited by

sever anxiety, depression, withdrawal or aggressive behavior.

http://parentingplace.wilmington.org/

The consequences of emotional and verbal abuse can be as damaging as

physical abuse, though much harder to recognize, and therefore more

difficult to recover from. Emotional and verbal abuse may cause long

term self esteem issues. ...

Emotional and verbal abuse may happen for months and years before

any damage is evident. By the time the injury is noticed, the person

may already be having significant difficulty coping with life.

Emotional and verbal abuse ultimately affects a persons development

and sense of self-worth.

http://www.m-a-h.net/library/article-abuse-verbal.htm

CHILD ABUSE AND NEGLECT Understanding Abuse Abusers of children can

be parents, siblings,friends, relatives, or adults who work with

children. People who abuse children come from all economic levels

and backgrounds. Often they may have unrealistic expectations of

children and may not understand normal child development.Special-

needs children are especially vulnerable since they place extra

demands on parents and caregivers

http://www.extension.iastate.edu/Publications/PM1478X2.pdf

What can I do to prevent someone else from verbally abusing my

child or another child? Always be aware of other influences on your

child. Just because you have your temper under control doesn't mean

that all the other adults in your child's life do. Teachers,

coaches, babysitters, siblings, older siblings of friends, and even

other children's parents can harm your child by demeaning or

humiliating him. Make a point of asking your child about his

relationships with other adults. Of course, he might not tell you if

someone is verbally abusing him - he might not even realize it. So

you'll want to be on the lookout for signs of emotional turmoil:

Nightmares, bed-wetting, school phobia, and other signs of excessive

anxiety may be part of the " code " you'll have to crack in order to

figure out what's troubling your child.

If you feel that another adult is abusing your child or his or her

own child, you can call the National Child Abuse Hot Line at (800)

422-4453, for advice. If you're certain of the problem, contact your

local Child Protective Services (CPS) agency to report it. CPS

professionals will evaluate the report, and if they deem it

necessary, they will send someone out to talk with the alleged

abuser. CPS will keep your report confidential, although you can

make an anonymous report if you prefer. (But keep in mind that bogus

anonymous reports are, unfortunately, quite common.)

Sometimes a family counselor or psychologist can assess your child

for signs of verbal abuse. If you think the abuse is occurring at

school, be sure to take your child to be evaluated by someone

independent of the school. Oftentimes your family doctor or

pediatrician can help you with a referral. Do whatever is necessary

to get your child away from the abuser -- if a P.E. coach is

taunting him, for example, ask that he be placed in a different

class. And be sure to make your concerns known to the principal,

director, league officials, and so on.

http://www.ahealthyme.com/topic/verbalabuse;$sessionid$G3APSEYAAD3GUCTYAIRTEMQ#6

Children who are emotionally abused may experience speech disorders,

lags in physical development, failure to thrive (especially in

infants), asthma, severe allergies, ulcers, substance abuse, or

hyperactive/disruptive behavior.

http://www.webedelic.com/church/abusef.htm

.... " Verbal abuse is one of the most common types of child abuse and

can easily be unrecognized but inflict much damage to a child's self-

esteem. Verbal abusers use words motivated by angry, hostile, or

resentful feelings. The term verbal abuse may include, but is not

limited to, the following: scape goating, put-downs, extreme

inconsistency, humiliation, labelling, and unrealistic

expectations. "

.... " When a child is frequently called stupid or dumb, he tends to

accept this negative identity and believe himself as described.

Examination of the children's symptoms and the behaviors of the

teacher shows that verbal abuse was one of the most characteristic

behaviors of Mr. X and led to dramatic lowering of self-esteem in 13

and 17 children. What proved to be alarming to many of the parents

was how quickly their children " adapted " to this teacher's negative

perceptions, accepting the labelling to " fit in " with the classroom

environment. "

http://www.walkfortalk.org/Report/comment.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Some signs of emotional or verbal abuse:

Signs of abuse:

avoids physical contact with others;

wears concealing clothes (long sleeves, high collars) to hide

injuries;

is hard to get along with, is demanding and disobedient;

frequently damages things and causes trouble or interferes with

others;

is unusually shy, avoids other people, including children; or,

is overly anxious to please, and seems ready to let others say or do

things without protest.

http://www.safechild.net/for_parents/abuse.html

Signs of Emotional Abuse:

Not all child abuse is physical. Emotional abuse is one of the most

common and harmful forms of child abuse. Making fun of a child, name

calling, always finding fault, and showing no respect can damage a

child's self-esteem.

The child ...

may find it hard to make friends.

may avoid doing things with other children and being places where

he's expected to be loving.

may tend to be pushy and hostile.

might have a hard time learning, be overly active, or have problems

such as bed-wetting or soiling.

might act falsely grown up, having to care for adults or others far

beyond what should be expected for the child's age.

When emotional abuse occurs often and over a long period of time, it

can have a lifelong impact. It can affect a child's happiness,

relationships and success.

The child ...

may become gloomy and depressed, unable to enjoy himself. He might

do things that work against himself. could become self-destructive,

injuring herself, or even attempting suicide. As with other types of

abuse, parents who were emotionally abused are most likely to

emotionally abuse their own children. To stop abusing, they need to

become aware of how they are treating their children. Often they do

not know how damaging their behavior is. If they knew what they were

doing and knew how much it hurt their child, they would probably

want to stop it.

Visiting a pediatrician or other physician or a member of the clergy

is a good way to start looking for help. He or she might refer you

to a mental health expert. Also, many community agencies and

churches offer parenting classes that can help you talk to your

child and begin to solve your problems.

Signals

child rocks, sucks, bites self

inappropriately aggressive,

destructive to others

suffers from sleep, speech disorders

restricts play activities or experiences

demonstrates compulsions, obsessions, phobias, hysterical outbursts

http://www.survivors.org.au/what.htm

Cognitive

• Speech may be absent, delayed, or hard to understand. The

preschooler whose receptive language far exceeds expressive language

may have speech delays. Some children do not talk, even though they

are able.

• The child may have poor articulation and pronunciation, incomplete

formation of sentences, incorrect use of words.

• Cognitive skills may be at a level of a younger child.

• The child may have an unusually short attention span, a lack of

interest in objects, and an inability to concentrate.

Social

• The child may demonstrate insecure or absent attachment;

attachments may be indiscriminate, superficial, or clingy. Child may

show little distress, or may overreact, when separated from

caregivers.

• The child may appear emotionally detached, isolated, and withdrawn

from both adults and peers.

http://www.nysccc.org/Conferences/Conf2001/effectsabuse.htm

Signs of Possible Emotional Abuse:

Speech disorders

Delayed physica1 or emotional development

Ulcers, asthma, severe allergies

Habit disorders, sucking fingers, rocking

Unduly passive and undemanding

Very low self-esteem

Extremely demanding, aggressive and angry

Antisocial, destructive, depressed and or suicidal attention seeking

delinquent behavior, especially in adolescents

http://www.grandfatherhome.org/abuse.htm

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A child has to feel Safe in a School. If the Principal or Teacher does

not show this. The child feels he is not safe to get a Education. Bullying has

been a point to many issues which have been seen Nation wide.

If the School District became more involved by taking bullying serious it

could be stopped when it get's started. If Parents would stand up at PTA

meetings as well as speaking up about which child is making all the trouble

maybe

something could be done.

How a child acts is what he or she sees in their enviroment. A child has

to be taught right from wrong. Taught respect to others. If a child is being

miss treated at home then this will reflect away from home.

A Bully will pick on the weakest of the class. If the weakest will take a

stand then the rest will follow.

was the smallest in every grade and was the one whom the bully would

try to get. lolol. would tell me but later she would take that stand

and let the bully know she may be different in many ways but she is still a

Human.

Once she stood up many would look to her and always stood up for

the under dog so to say. The way we dealt with a lot of the childish issues

kid's pulled was...... By telling so what if your short you can do

what others can do. So what if your in a wheelchair you can still do most of

what the others can do. So what if your wearing glasses you can see better with

them. While the bully was making fun of her was getting her

Education.

I made it CLEAR to my kid's they did not go to School to cause a problem

but I send them to school to get a Education. I did not send them to School

to be like other's but to be their own person.

School is a fun experience if measures are taken the right way. My kid's

never seen anyone who was different but seen all as humans.

Kid's should be taught early in life about issues. Do not judge me by my

Diasbility but Judge me by my Ability.

Some of those bully's who had issues with finally became

's friend. Even though they said if you do not do this or that for me I

will

not be your friend. Oh when told me this ummmm.... I said well do not

cry over it sweetie as a Friend can be bought a dime a dozen but a TRUE

friend stays with you for life.

Those bullys seen just because was short and wore glasses and was

on crutches off and on and in a wheelchair at times. ummmmm could

play Baseball great and she could hook a basket ball anytime she wanted too.

PLUS was a Straight A Student who helped others learn. These kid's seen

past the outside of . When she needed help at school she never had to

ask but once and her real friends would be right there.

It is Patients which get's us through difficult times. was her

own person and she did not need to be bullied to make good friends. When the

bully would say something about 's shortness she would have ATTITUDE

with her voice and say so what I am short have you seen my Mom? My Mom does what

she wants and nothing stops her. If she can not reach something she climbs to

get it lololol. Now this was funny as said Ma can you come to School

today so someone see you climb to get something?

Sometimes it is awful Our kid's have to be in this situation but

sometimes it does help them to make better choices in life.

Robbin

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Bullying is still in my thoughts to this day....bullied all those yeas in school

and into adulthood..still have many fears of people and haven't any trust in

anyone. Anger and violence has always frightened me..It's horrible what bullying

does to a person..I'm overly sensitive,shy and nervous and hate it when people

can't get along can't stand to see anything hurting be it a critter or a

person..Of course people think I'm very strange..Guess I am... Think I'm a

lost cause!

Geri

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Dear Geri,

I don't think your a lost cause. I spent many years being

bullied and after dying once I was determined not to live that way

anymore it was hard and took time but I got better, people who know me

now can't believe I was ever shy and backwards. I just wanted you to know u r

not alone heres my email sithifolk@...

Take care and hang in there

your truly

Angel

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