Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 I had a friend that tried one of those indoor earthwork farms. He didn't follow the instructions and work up in the morning with earthworms crawling on his kitchen floor looking for food. ew Re: Re: Worry over alkaloids LOL, Melody-don't even get me started! When I took up gardening years ago, someone told me how easy it was to farm earthworms indoors-I was totally grossed out and swore I would NEVER do such a thing...well, like MANY other things, I am happy to report that I now DO farm earthworms, inside, all winter long! If is a fun, entertaining, and very productive hobby-not gross in the least! I farm the worms in bins in my basement, throwing in a handful of veggie scraps each week and keeping the soil moist. In the spring, I turn the worms out into my containers and raised beds, and they do all the hard work for me! I used to be afraid of worms, bees, wasps etc-now I EMBRACE them as friends of the garden! Tell Alan you are going to take up earthworm farming...I expect a video of THAT conversation, lol! S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 I would have dropped dead as a door nail. OMG!! lol Melody > > I had a friend that tried one of those indoor earthwork farms. He didn't follow the instructions and work up in the morning with earthworms crawling on his kitchen floor looking for food. > ew > > Re: Re: Worry over alkaloids > > LOL, Melody-don't even get me started! When I took up gardening years ago, someone told me how easy it was to farm earthworms indoors-I was totally grossed out and swore I would NEVER do such a thing...well, like MANY other things, I am happy to report that I now DO farm earthworms, inside, all winter long! If is a fun, entertaining, and very productive hobby-not gross in the least! I farm the worms in bins in my basement, throwing in a handful of veggie scraps each week and keeping the soil moist. In the spring, I turn the worms out into my containers and raised beds, and they do all the hard work for me! I used to be afraid of worms, bees, wasps etc-now I EMBRACE them as friends of the garden! Tell Alan you are going to take up earthworm farming...I expect a video of THAT conversation, lol! > > > > S > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Thanks, . In my case, I was juicing tons of greens back in the 80's and ended up in the hospital for weeks passing kidney stones. The doctor actually criticized my " hippie diet " and said that should teach me that dieting and health foods were " bad " for me...sadly, I believed him and quit eating healthy foods for quite some time! Sadly still, I actually felt better eating garbage foods than I did eating " healthy " stuff. It wasn't until years later when I had another episode of kidney stones after eating quite a lot of greens that I realized that their must be something in the greens causing me issues. The internet wasn't around back then, but I researched as best as I could (how did we EVER get along back then, lol) and found out that oxolates and amines were causing my kidney stones. To this day, I can only have most veggies in moderation, and no fruit whatsover, except fresh pears, in season and thickly peeled-otherwise, I get stones very quickly. I am quite convinced NOW, that had I not overdone the greens with the juicing, I wouldn't have ever developed the condition that plaques me now, which is why I think it IS important to rotate greens. > > > > > > Daily rotating of greens sounds like more of a problem (neurosis, > OCD) > > > than a solution. And like you say, it's not cost effective. I really > > > doubt there is any reason not to eat a certain green or sprout or > what > > > have you every single day if that's what you love. I'm sure not > forcing > > > myself to make my smoothies with straight Kale or Mustard greens for > > > days on end waiting to get back to my beloved spinach. > > > > > > I really don't see this being a problem unless someone has a > sensitivity > > > or is eating in an unbalanced way, like going for an extended period > > > eating nothing but smoothies made from spinach or alfalfa sprouts to > the > > > exclusion of other foods. Then it would seem reasonable that you > could > > > accumulate levels of toxins particular to that one plant that your > body > > > could not excrete effectively enough and thus cause you an issue. > And > > > really, it's never a good idea to eat excessive amounts of any food, > > > especially to the exclusion of all others. > > > > > > Again, do you have a link to any this literature that discusses the > > > alkaloids in sprouts that has you so concerned? I had only really > heard > > > of alkaloids referred to in regard to " nightshade " veggies such as > > > potatoes, tomatoes, peppers, eggplant, etc. As we don't typically > sprout > > > seeds of nightshade varieties, I wouldn't have thought alkaloids > were a > > > concern with sprouts. Maybe that's a question for the actual > > > Sproutpeople, Gil and Lori... > > > > > > ~ > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Nah, you wouldn't. Even if you were dead by the time you hit the floor, you totally wouldn't have wanted to touch those earthworms crawling about on that very same floor, LOL!! Earthworms are quite benign - they don't bother me in the least. What skeeves (sp) me out are cockroaches! Still not sure of their purpose in the universe!! Thea From: sproutpeople [mailto:sproutpeople ] On Behalf Of Melody Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 4:28 PM To: sproutpeople Subject: Re: Worry over alkaloids I would have dropped dead as a door nail. OMG!! lol Melody > > I had a friend that tried one of those indoor earthwork farms. He didn't follow the instructions and work up in the morning with earthworms crawling on his kitchen floor looking for food. > ew > > Re: Re: Worry over alkaloids > > LOL, Melody-don't even get me started! When I took up gardening years ago, someone told me how easy it was to farm earthworms indoors-I was totally grossed out and swore I would NEVER do such a thing...well, like MANY other things, I am happy to report that I now DO farm earthworms, inside, all winter long! If is a fun, entertaining, and very productive hobby-not gross in the least! I farm the worms in bins in my basement, throwing in a handful of veggie scraps each week and keeping the soil moist. In the spring, I turn the worms out into my containers and raised beds, and they do all the hard work for me! I used to be afraid of worms, bees, wasps etc-now I EMBRACE them as friends of the garden! Tell Alan you are going to take up earthworm farming...I expect a video of THAT conversation, lol! > > > > S > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Does it matter (whether or not you rotate greens), if you are cooking the greens or using them raw in a smoothie?? Thanks, Melody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 I love us too!!! He's a hoot, my Alan. lol Melody > > > Way ahead of you. I did the video this morning. Take a look and enjoy!! This is Alan's reaction to my doing anything with earthworms. > > > > > > > > Melody > > > > > > > > > > TODAY(Beta) • Powered by Yahoo! > > Danica suffers hardest wreck yet > > The racer proves her toughness after a crash so violent that her car leaves the ground. > > Privacy Policy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Eating them-no, since you are not likely to be able to consume enough to matter. Adding to smoothies, yes-since you would be consuming more than you would if you were eating them as a side dish. Juicing for SURE you want to rotate-trust me! > > Does it matter (whether or not you rotate greens), if you are cooking the greens or using them raw in a smoothie?? > > Thanks, > > Melody > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Then I'm just fine. lol. Thanks much . Melody > > > > Does it matter (whether or not you rotate greens), if you are cooking the greens or using them raw in a smoothie?? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Melody > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 , Is it because by drinking rather than chewing we're not mixing in saliva, or not cooking, or we're unlocking too many kinds of phytochemicals? Jeff > ** > > > > > Eating them-no, since you are not likely to be able to consume enough to > matter. Adding to smoothies, yes-since you would be consuming more than you > would if you were eating them as a side dish. Juicing for SURE you want to > rotate-trust me! > > > > > > > > Does it matter (whether or not you rotate greens), if you are cooking > the greens or using them raw in a smoothie?? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Melody > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Yes, it was quite horrid. I had never had kidney issues prior to starting the juicing, and the high level of oxolates in my system at the time certainly supported the thought process that it was caused by all the greens. I wasn't vegan or vegetarian at the time, but I was juicing a LOT of greens. My neighbors owned an orange grove, and also farmed kale, malabar and other greens and veggies, and I always had an abundance of lovely goodies to juice. I was a deputy sheriff at the time, and would fill a thermos of juice to work the midnight shift, thinking I was doing a good thing by avoiding the typical coffee boost common among cops, lol. WRONG! I know it took a HUGE tray of greens to make a simple glass of juice-far more than one could ever consume in one sitting! I ended up with not only long term kidney damage, but bile duct blockage as well-caused by large stones blockages. I also ended up with gout, which is often caused by high oxolate/purines/amines/salicylates, etc-all common in fruits and veggies. Granted, there is a GOOD chance that I was taking it to excess, but many people do when they start juicing. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Not so much as that when you EAT them-you eat a small amount. When JUICING them, it takes far more than one could eat just to make a small glass of juice. Raw or cooked, they still contain the oxalates or amines, etc. Cooking doesn't change that. This is another reason I highly recommend ORGANIC foods when juicing or blending-you are taking in much more of them than you would by eating, so you get more pesticide residues and such. Sent from my iPad > , > > Is it because by drinking rather than chewing we're not mixing in saliva, > or not cooking, or we're unlocking too many kinds of phytochemicals? > > Jeff > > >> ** >> >> >> >> >> Eating them-no, since you are not likely to be able to consume enough to >> matter. Adding to smoothies, yes-since you would be consuming more than you >> would if you were eating them as a side dish. Juicing for SURE you want to >> rotate-trust me! >> >> >> >> >>> >>> Does it matter (whether or not you rotate greens), if you are cooking >> the greens or using them raw in a smoothie?? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Melody >>> >> >> >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 I heard that Doctors get about one hour of nutrition training while in school. I asked my diabetic Dr. if this was true. He said it was more like 15 minutes. ew Re: Worry over alkaloids Thanks, . In my case, I was juicing tons of greens back in the 80's and ended up in the hospital for weeks passing kidney stones. The doctor actually criticized my " hippie diet " and said that should teach me that dieting and health foods were " bad " for me...sadly, I believed him and quit eating healthy foods for quite some time! Sadly still, I actually felt better eating garbage foods than I did eating " healthy " stuff. It wasn't until years later when I had another episode of kidney stones after eating quite a lot of greens that I realized that their must be something in the greens causing me issues. The internet wasn't around back then, but I researched as best as I could (how did we EVER get along back then, lol) and found out that oxolates and amines were causing my kidney stones. To this day, I can only have most veggies in moderation, and no fruit whatsover, except fresh pears, in season and thickly peeled-otherwise, I get stones very quickly. I am quite convinced NOW, that had I not overdone the greens with the juicing, I wouldn't have ever developed the condition that plaques me now, which is why I think it IS important to rotate greens. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Hi , When I first read about your issues with kidney stones, I was going to ask you if the same can be true of gallstones. I certainly did not juice as much as you do, but I do juice and made green smoothies. On Feb. 2011, I had an ultrasound taken and they found only a 7 mm polyp in my gallbladder as was told it is not a stone. Then in May 2011, I started to make my green smoothies. By June 2011, I went for a 30 day all raw program and continue to stay raw until I had the second ultrasound of my stomach as the amylase level was slightly higher. Then, the result came back indicated that I have a 7mm gallstone. When I did my research, there is mention that when you lose weight too quickly, you can easily get gallstones. I did lose about 10 lbs. in 2 months when I went raw, though that was not my goal, as I do not need to lose. On the other hand, at that time, I had high energy and I surely was not sick. Just wonder if the oxalates that you folks are talking about had anything to do with it. This is now winter, so I went back to some cooked food. When spring comes along, I surely would like to go full swing back to raw food. , are you still eating raw now and do you still have your kidney issues? Thanks. > ** > > > Yes, it was quite horrid. I had never had kidney issues prior to starting > the juicing, and the high level of oxolates in my system at the time > certainly supported the thought process that it was caused by all the > greens. I wasn't vegan or vegetarian at the time, but I was juicing a LOT > of greens. My neighbors owned an orange grove, and also farmed kale, > malabar and other greens and veggies, and I always had an abundance of > lovely goodies to juice. I was a deputy sheriff at the time, and would fill > a thermos of juice to work the midnight shift, thinking I was doing a good > thing by avoiding the typical coffee boost common among cops, lol. WRONG! I > know it took a HUGE tray of greens to make a simple glass of juice-far more > than one could ever consume in one sitting! I ended up with not only long > term kidney damage, but bile duct blockage as well-caused by large stones > blockages. I also ended up with gout, which is often caused by high > oxolate/purines/amines/salicylates, etc-all common in fruits and veggies. > Granted, there is a GOOD chance that I was taking it to excess, but many > people do when they start juicing. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 I agree completely, Lee. You have to be very careful what " studies " you choose to give credence to. Many are funded by interested parties with agendas and an eye for marketing and blog buzz for their products. I'm a scientist at heart (and a student of biology and nutrition), and I believe in whole foods and whole data! There is a strong correlation between these studies on " anti-nutrients " in our whole foods and the marketing of products like spirulina and chlorella and other refined chlorophyll supplements. This sort of thing immediately activates my skepticism. But I'm going to explore this a bit more. I do try to keep an open mind. =) ~ > > > > > > > > Ah, so if I like to eat greens every day, I have to eat different > > greens?/ Say for example, tonight I'm eating Bok Choy, then tomorrow I > > can eat Escarole, and the next day I can eat collards and the next day I > > can eat kale, and then I can go back to bok choy?? > > > > > > > > Is this right? > > > > > > > > Thanks, Mel > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 I was crippled with " lupus " and " rheumatoid arthritis " for a full twelve years-not ONE doctor EVER suggested that diet was an issue-I made the food allergy connection MYSELF one morning, realized I felt worse after eating certain things...started researching the topic, identifying and eliminating my allergens, and COMPLETELY healed from my " diseases " within days of making dietary changes! I still have to use a wheelchair due to the damage caused all of those years, but I am TOTALLY fine, pain free and active as long as I avoid certain foods-not one doc ever suggested it as a possible cause, and not one doctor believes the reason I am well now is because I avoid allergens! They are totally closed minded to the whole concept. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 I think the fear monger is the person who seeks to inspire fear in others, that's not you, Patti! May I ask how you make that work for you? Are you buying it or growing it yourself? A 3 green rotation might not be too bad, but the way I would tend to do that is use spinach and kale together since kale has a bit too strong taste to use exclusively. ~ > > SOO just so you know I am NOT a fear monger! sheshh.. I dont WORRY at all as a matter of fact. I simply make a green smoothie with a different green daily.. so today was spinach, tomorrow will be kale, next day romaine lettuce .. next day spinach.... simple as that! > >  > > > Patti > > > ________________________________ > From: Leron Bouma leronb@... > To: sproutpeople > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 11:59 AM > Subject: Re: Worry over alkaloids > > >  > , I really appreciate your comments on this. I trained myself over the years to not be motivated by fear and I've found that more dedicated I've gotten to living a fear-free-life, the more evident it has become that the entire world can't seem to function without inspiring fear in us on a daily basis. The pharmaceutical companies, the supplement companies, the food companies are all thinking that they can push you in the direction of their products by creating fear in you. > I believe that people that report things such as; alkaloids, phytates, and such are well intentioned but often not so well informed. When you read or hear something alarming in the popular press most of the time the reporter is so poorly educated in science that he is reporting the opposite of the studies findings as the truth. Or a month later another study is going tell the opposite story. > So I'm choosing to eat as many vegetables as I can and not worry about any of this other stuff. > Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 One of the issues with gallstones is that your gallbladder needs a certain amount of fat in your diet in order to cause it to expel the gall. If it doesn't have the fat, the cholesterol in the gallbladder just sits there and turns to stone. I found this out when I went to Durham and did the Duke University Rice Diet, which is a low fat, low sodium diet. Almost everyone who did the diet ended up without a gallbladder. The docs thought it was a good thing. Ya'rite. Pam >Hi , > >When I first read about your issues with kidney stones, I was going to ask >you if the same can be true of gallstones. > >I certainly did not juice as much as you do, but I do juice and made green >smoothies. > >On Feb. 2011, I had an ultrasound taken and they found only a 7 mm polyp >in >my gallbladder as was told it is not a stone. > >Then in May 2011, I started to make my green smoothies. By June 2011, I >went for a 30 day all raw program and continue to stay raw until I had the >second ultrasound of my stomach as the amylase level was slightly higher. >Then, the result came back indicated that I have a 7mm gallstone. > >When I did my research, there is mention that when you lose weight too >quickly, you can easily get gallstones. I did lose about 10 lbs. in 2 >months when I went raw, though that was not my goal, as I do not need to >lose. On the other hand, at that time, I had high energy and I surely was >not sick. > >Just wonder if the oxalates that you folks are talking about had anything >to do with it. > >This is now winter, so I went back to some cooked food. When spring comes >along, I surely would like to go full swing back to raw food. > >, are you still eating raw now and do you still have your kidney >issues? > >Thanks. > > > >> ** >> >> >> Yes, it was quite horrid. I had never had kidney issues prior to >>starting >> the juicing, and the high level of oxolates in my system at the time >> certainly supported the thought process that it was caused by all the >> greens. I wasn't vegan or vegetarian at the time, but I was juicing a >>LOT >> of greens. My neighbors owned an orange grove, and also farmed kale, >> malabar and other greens and veggies, and I always had an abundance of >> lovely goodies to juice. I was a deputy sheriff at the time, and would >>fill >> a thermos of juice to work the midnight shift, thinking I was doing a >>good >> thing by avoiding the typical coffee boost common among cops, lol. >>WRONG! I >> know it took a HUGE tray of greens to make a simple glass of juice-far >>more >> than one could ever consume in one sitting! I ended up with not only >>long >> term kidney damage, but bile duct blockage as well-caused by large >>stones >> blockages. I also ended up with gout, which is often caused by high >> oxolate/purines/amines/salicylates, etc-all common in fruits and >>veggies. >> Granted, there is a GOOD chance that I was taking it to excess, but many >> people do when they start juicing. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Why, to take over the planet once we've blown ourselves to kingdom come, of course! Planet of the Apes? More like Planet of the Cockroaches! *shivers* ~ <-(there I go thinking I'm funny again! lol) > > > > I had a friend that tried one of those indoor earthwork farms. He didn't > follow the instructions and work up in the morning with earthworms crawling > on his kitchen floor looking for food. > > ew > > > > Re: Re: Worry over alkaloids > > > > LOL, Melody-don't even get me started! When I took up gardening years ago, > someone told me how easy it was to farm earthworms indoors-I was totally > grossed out and swore I would NEVER do such a thing...well, like MANY other > things, I am happy to report that I now DO farm earthworms, inside, all > winter long! If is a fun, entertaining, and very productive hobby-not gross > in the least! I farm the worms in bins in my basement, throwing in a handful > of veggie scraps each week and keeping the soil moist. In the spring, I turn > the worms out into my containers and raised beds, and they do all the hard > work for me! I used to be afraid of worms, bees, wasps etc-now I EMBRACE > them as friends of the garden! Tell Alan you are going to take up earthworm > farming...I expect a video of THAT conversation, lol! > > > > > > > > S > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Yes, I have heard they'd be the last living things on earth! Shivers indeed!! Thea From: sproutpeople [mailto:sproutpeople ] On Behalf Of Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 8:00 PM To: sproutpeople Subject: Re: Worry over alkaloids Why, to take over the planet once we've blown ourselves to kingdom come, of course! Planet of the Apes? More like Planet of the Cockroaches! *shivers* ~ <-(there I go thinking I'm funny again! lol) > > > > I had a friend that tried one of those indoor earthwork farms. He didn't > follow the instructions and work up in the morning with earthworms crawling > on his kitchen floor looking for food. > > ew > > > > Re: Re: Worry over alkaloids > > > > LOL, Melody-don't even get me started! When I took up gardening years ago, > someone told me how easy it was to farm earthworms indoors-I was totally > grossed out and swore I would NEVER do such a thing...well, like MANY other > things, I am happy to report that I now DO farm earthworms, inside, all > winter long! If is a fun, entertaining, and very productive hobby-not gross > in the least! I farm the worms in bins in my basement, throwing in a handful > of veggie scraps each week and keeping the soil moist. In the spring, I turn > the worms out into my containers and raised beds, and they do all the hard > work for me! I used to be afraid of worms, bees, wasps etc-now I EMBRACE > them as friends of the garden! Tell Alan you are going to take up earthworm > farming...I expect a video of THAT conversation, lol! > > > > > > > > S > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 I would say there is a very good chance your gallstones could have been AGGRAVATED (not caused) by specialty type diets, juicing, or even just adding in more fruits and veggies. As the body expels fat, in response to any of these methods, if it is clearing faster than the gallbladder can metabolize it, it can certainly cause stones. As I mentioned, it isn't uncommon for those who start juicing to end up with kidney issues, if they do it too fast, or suddenly drop fats all together from their diet. The body simply doesn't have time to make the adjustments, and stones can form anywhere. I actually did my body more harm than good by trying to " get healthy " . I learned that ALL things need to be in moderation, even the " healthy " stuff. In my own case, it turned out I had an allergy to the salycilates and amines in many foods, but I also went to far, too fast. Due to the damage done, I can no longer eat many raw foods, but do try to when and as I can (I have learned to LISTEN to my body, and let it tell me what and when I need certain nutrients) One reason I am not a fan of standard book type diets, is they don't take in to account that NOT one size fits all. I have known many people over the years who have gotten very ill while trying to become healthy, which is why vegetarians get a bad rap-people think the absence of meat causes deficiencies, but it is often just overdoing it on veggies. Balance is the key with ALL things, good or bad, I think. > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Yeah, and the 80's was a rather intolerant climate for natural foods and eating. Margarine was health food back then! The country was marveling at what modern medicine and science was capable of. " Better living through chemistry " and all that... Hippocrates was spinning in his grave in the 80's! ~ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 You can believe what you want, . However what you have stated is not the situation in my case, or in the case of the other people who did the diet. Prior to my no fat diet, I had no gallstones. The Duke University Rice Diet was at that time (and I assume still is, although I don't know) clinically managed  we ate in a special dining room, we had " group meetings, " and we had multiple medical tests before and during the treatment. After spending 6 months on the diet, I had developed gallstones. There may be other reasons people develop stones, but in my case it was definitely due to the lack of fat in the diet diet. With no fat, the gallbladder has no reason to work. Pam Reply-To: <sproutpeople > Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 01:08:20 -0000 To: <sproutpeople > Subject: Re: Worry over alkaloids > > > > > > I would say there is a very good chance your gallstones could have been > AGGRAVATED (not caused) by specialty type diets, juicing, or even just adding > in more fruits and veggies. As the body expels fat, in response to any of > these methods, if it is clearing faster than the gallbladder can metabolize > it, it can certainly cause stones. As I mentioned, it isn't uncommon for > those who start juicing to end up with kidney issues, if they do it too fast, > or suddenly drop fats all together from their diet. The body simply doesn't > have time to make the adjustments, and stones can form anywhere. I actually > did my body more harm than good by trying to " get healthy " . I learned that > ALL things need to be in moderation, even the " healthy " stuff. In my own > case, it turned out I had an allergy to the salycilates and amines in many > foods, but I also went to far, too fast. Due to the damage done, I can no > longer eat many raw foods, but do try to when and as I can (I have learned to > LISTEN to my body, and let it tell me what and when I need certain nutrients) > One reason I am not a fan of standard book type diets, is they don't take in > to account that NOT one size fits all. I have known many people over the > years who have gotten very ill while trying to become healthy, which is why > vegetarians get a bad rap-people think the absence of meat causes > deficiencies, but it is often just overdoing it on veggies. Balance is the > key with ALL things, good or bad, I think. > > > > >>>>> > >> > >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 I wasn't aware that I had said anything to the contrary of what you were saying? Of course it is all different for all people, which was the only point I was trying to make-not sure what you are saying I contradicted, or should believe, but I am merely expressing my opinion and personal experience...not trying to say I am right, just what happened in my case. What I DID say pretty much supports exactly what YOU are saying, or so that was my intention. > > You can believe what you want, . However what you have stated is not > the situation in my case, or in the case of the other people who did the > diet. Prior to my no fat diet, I had no gallstones. The Duke University > Rice Diet was at that time (and I assume still is, although I don't know) > clinically managed  we ate in a special dining room, we had " group > meetings, " and we had multiple medical tests before and during the > treatment. After spending 6 months on the diet, I had developed gallstones. > There may be other reasons people develop stones, but in my case it was > definitely due to the lack of fat in the diet diet. With no fat, the > gallbladder has no reason to work. > > Pam > > > Reply-To: <sproutpeople > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 This is the exact same article that prompted me to ask the question. Except that I found it on a different website and identified as being from Boutenko. And it's one of her Green Smoothie books where I originally read about not eating too many sprouts. I'd already been starting to think about sprouting and had joined this group when I read her book and the comment about limiting the sprouts. And I thought about asking about it here. But procrastination set in and now, several weeks later, I come across this article. Reminds me about the book and so I finally ask the question here of whether anyone's concerned or ever heard of this " danger " from consuming sprouts on a daily basis. As far as the green smoothies are concerned, I've pretty much determined that if buying a bag of prewashed spinach (for example) and only a quarter of it gets put into a green smoothie, well, I might be having a spinach green smoothie for four days before I move onto another green. Assuming that I'm not consuming the spinach any way besides a smoothie. I suspect my approach to consuming sprouts will be similar. And for much the same reason. As said in one of her responses to my question, the nutritional benefits of sprouting far outweigh the nutritional negatives of sprouting. I don't think I'm particularly sensitive to the alkaloids that would be present, and so long as I don't go for weeks on end without any variety, I can't see there being any " predisposed " downside. Andresa > > I have read in more than one place on the internet to rotate greens which I do all the time! it's not ocd or neurosis... > > here is a link: > > http://greensmoothiesblog.com/green-smoothie-rotate/ >  > > > Patti > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Too funny, Melody! Just this morning I watched a video of birdie bread being made (I have a parrot) using canned spinach. The guys using it didn't enjoy touching it at all (why they used their fingers instead of a fork to pick it up and add it to the muffin mix I don't know). But they said the reason to use canned spinach (and I assume any other canned greens - actually I didn't know there were other canned greens until you mentioned it; I just don't go down the canned vegetable aisle very often) was because it dispersed or distributed throughout the muffin mix easily and the wetness of the spinach (and the canned green beans they also added) help keep the mix moist; presumably everything being added would make the muffins very dry otherwise. I want to thank you, Melody, for your infectious enthusiasm. It was your various sprouting comments over on the VitaMix group that got me thinking about sprouting myself. I placed my first order yesterday and today I received the shipping notification! Andresa > > I have to tell you a GREENS story. Aside from eating my sprouts, I love to cook greens as a side dish every night. I had NEVER eaten canned greens of any time. > > I saw a can of 's canned collards and canned kale. Each can was BIG. Only $1.49 a can which would make 3 side dishes. I bought them for the experience. Never again. > > I opened both cans. Now we have two completely different greens here right? > > Well, BOTH looked exactly the same, smelled the same and tasted the same. > > I would never do this again, I just wanted the experience. > > Melody > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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