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I had a friend that tried one of those indoor earthwork farms. He didn't follow

the instructions and work up in the morning with earthworms crawling on his

kitchen floor looking for food.

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LOL, Melody-don't even get me started! When I took up gardening years ago,

someone told me how easy it was to farm earthworms indoors-I was totally grossed

out and swore I would NEVER do such a thing...well, like MANY other things, I am

happy to report that I now DO farm earthworms, inside, all winter long! If is a

fun, entertaining, and very productive hobby-not gross in the least! I farm the

worms in bins in my basement, throwing in a handful of veggie scraps each week

and keeping the soil moist. In the spring, I turn the worms out into my

containers and raised beds, and they do all the hard work for me! I used to be

afraid of worms, bees, wasps etc-now I EMBRACE them as friends of the garden!

Tell Alan you are going to take up earthworm farming...I expect a video of THAT

conversation, lol!

S

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I would have dropped dead as a door nail.

OMG!! lol

Melody

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> I had a friend that tried one of those indoor earthwork farms. He didn't

follow the instructions and work up in the morning with earthworms crawling on

his kitchen floor looking for food.

> ew

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> LOL, Melody-don't even get me started! When I took up gardening years ago,

someone told me how easy it was to farm earthworms indoors-I was totally grossed

out and swore I would NEVER do such a thing...well, like MANY other things, I am

happy to report that I now DO farm earthworms, inside, all winter long! If is a

fun, entertaining, and very productive hobby-not gross in the least! I farm the

worms in bins in my basement, throwing in a handful of veggie scraps each week

and keeping the soil moist. In the spring, I turn the worms out into my

containers and raised beds, and they do all the hard work for me! I used to be

afraid of worms, bees, wasps etc-now I EMBRACE them as friends of the garden!

Tell Alan you are going to take up earthworm farming...I expect a video of THAT

conversation, lol!

>

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> S

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Thanks, . In my case, I was juicing tons of greens back in the 80's and

ended up in the hospital for weeks passing kidney stones. The doctor actually

criticized my " hippie diet " and said that should teach me that dieting and

health foods were " bad " for me...sadly, I believed him and quit eating healthy

foods for quite some time! Sadly still, I actually felt better eating garbage

foods than I did eating " healthy " stuff. It wasn't until years later when I had

another episode of kidney stones after eating quite a lot of greens that I

realized that their must be something in the greens causing me issues. The

internet wasn't around back then, but I researched as best as I could (how did

we EVER get along back then, lol) and found out that oxolates and amines were

causing my kidney stones. To this day, I can only have most veggies in

moderation, and no fruit whatsover, except fresh pears, in season and thickly

peeled-otherwise, I get stones very quickly. I am quite convinced NOW, that had

I not overdone the greens with the juicing, I wouldn't have ever developed the

condition that plaques me now, which is why I think it IS important to rotate

greens.

> > >

> > > Daily rotating of greens sounds like more of a problem (neurosis,

> OCD)

> > > than a solution. And like you say, it's not cost effective. I really

> > > doubt there is any reason not to eat a certain green or sprout or

> what

> > > have you every single day if that's what you love. I'm sure not

> forcing

> > > myself to make my smoothies with straight Kale or Mustard greens for

> > > days on end waiting to get back to my beloved spinach.

> > >

> > > I really don't see this being a problem unless someone has a

> sensitivity

> > > or is eating in an unbalanced way, like going for an extended period

> > > eating nothing but smoothies made from spinach or alfalfa sprouts to

> the

> > > exclusion of other foods. Then it would seem reasonable that you

> could

> > > accumulate levels of toxins particular to that one plant that your

> body

> > > could not excrete effectively enough and thus cause you an issue.

> And

> > > really, it's never a good idea to eat excessive amounts of any food,

> > > especially to the exclusion of all others.

> > >

> > > Again, do you have a link to any this literature that discusses the

> > > alkaloids in sprouts that has you so concerned? I had only really

> heard

> > > of alkaloids referred to in regard to " nightshade " veggies such as

> > > potatoes, tomatoes, peppers, eggplant, etc. As we don't typically

> sprout

> > > seeds of nightshade varieties, I wouldn't have thought alkaloids

> were a

> > > concern with sprouts. Maybe that's a question for the actual

> > > Sproutpeople, Gil and Lori...

> > >

> > > ~

> > >

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Nah, you wouldn't. Even if you were dead by the time you hit the floor, you

totally wouldn't have wanted to touch those earthworms crawling about on

that very same floor, LOL!! Earthworms are quite benign - they don't bother

me in the least. What skeeves (sp) me out are cockroaches! Still not sure

of their purpose in the universe!!

Thea

From: sproutpeople [mailto:sproutpeople ] On

Behalf Of Melody

Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 4:28 PM

To: sproutpeople

Subject: Re: Worry over alkaloids

I would have dropped dead as a door nail.

OMG!! lol

Melody

>

> I had a friend that tried one of those indoor earthwork farms. He didn't

follow the instructions and work up in the morning with earthworms crawling

on his kitchen floor looking for food.

> ew

>

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>

> LOL, Melody-don't even get me started! When I took up gardening years ago,

someone told me how easy it was to farm earthworms indoors-I was totally

grossed out and swore I would NEVER do such a thing...well, like MANY other

things, I am happy to report that I now DO farm earthworms, inside, all

winter long! If is a fun, entertaining, and very productive hobby-not gross

in the least! I farm the worms in bins in my basement, throwing in a handful

of veggie scraps each week and keeping the soil moist. In the spring, I turn

the worms out into my containers and raised beds, and they do all the hard

work for me! I used to be afraid of worms, bees, wasps etc-now I EMBRACE

them as friends of the garden! Tell Alan you are going to take up earthworm

farming...I expect a video of THAT conversation, lol!

>

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> S

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I love us too!!! He's a hoot, my Alan.

lol

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> > Way ahead of you. I did the video this morning. Take a look and enjoy!! This

is Alan's reaction to my doing anything with earthworms.

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Eating them-no, since you are not likely to be able to consume enough to matter.

Adding to smoothies, yes-since you would be consuming more than you would if you

were eating them as a side dish. Juicing for SURE you want to rotate-trust me!

>

> Does it matter (whether or not you rotate greens), if you are cooking the

greens or using them raw in a smoothie??

>

> Thanks,

>

> Melody

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Then I'm just fine.

lol. Thanks much .

Melody

> >

> > Does it matter (whether or not you rotate greens), if you are cooking the

greens or using them raw in a smoothie??

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Melody

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Is it because by drinking rather than chewing we're not mixing in saliva,

or not cooking, or we're unlocking too many kinds of phytochemicals?

Jeff

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> Eating them-no, since you are not likely to be able to consume enough to

> matter. Adding to smoothies, yes-since you would be consuming more than you

> would if you were eating them as a side dish. Juicing for SURE you want to

> rotate-trust me!

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Does it matter (whether or not you rotate greens), if you are cooking

> the greens or using them raw in a smoothie??

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Melody

> >

>

>

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Yes, it was quite horrid. I had never had kidney issues prior to starting the

juicing, and the high level of oxolates in my system at the time certainly

supported the thought process that it was caused by all the greens. I wasn't

vegan or vegetarian at the time, but I was juicing a LOT of greens. My

neighbors owned an orange grove, and also farmed kale, malabar and other greens

and veggies, and I always had an abundance of lovely goodies to juice. I was a

deputy sheriff at the time, and would fill a thermos of juice to work the

midnight shift, thinking I was doing a good thing by avoiding the typical coffee

boost common among cops, lol. WRONG! I know it took a HUGE tray of greens to

make a simple glass of juice-far more than one could ever consume in one

sitting! I ended up with not only long term kidney damage, but bile duct

blockage as well-caused by large stones blockages. I also ended up with gout,

which is often caused by high oxolate/purines/amines/salicylates, etc-all common

in fruits and veggies. Granted, there is a GOOD chance that I was taking it to

excess, but many people do when they start juicing.

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Not so much as that when you EAT them-you eat a small amount. When JUICING

them, it takes far more than one could eat just to make a small glass of juice.

Raw or cooked, they still contain the oxalates or amines, etc. Cooking doesn't

change that. This is another reason I highly recommend ORGANIC foods when

juicing or blending-you are taking in much more of them than you would by

eating, so you get more pesticide residues and such.

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> ,

>

> Is it because by drinking rather than chewing we're not mixing in saliva,

> or not cooking, or we're unlocking too many kinds of phytochemicals?

>

> Jeff

>

>

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>>

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>> Eating them-no, since you are not likely to be able to consume enough to

>> matter. Adding to smoothies, yes-since you would be consuming more than you

>> would if you were eating them as a side dish. Juicing for SURE you want to

>> rotate-trust me!

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>>

>>> Does it matter (whether or not you rotate greens), if you are cooking

>> the greens or using them raw in a smoothie??

>>>

>>> Thanks,

>>>

>>> Melody

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I heard that Doctors get about one hour of nutrition training while in school. I

asked my diabetic Dr. if this was true. He said it was more like 15 minutes.

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Thanks, . In my case, I was juicing tons of greens back in the 80's and

ended up in the hospital for weeks passing kidney stones. The doctor actually

criticized my " hippie diet " and said that should teach me that dieting and

health foods were " bad " for me...sadly, I believed him and quit eating healthy

foods for quite some time! Sadly still, I actually felt better eating garbage

foods than I did eating " healthy " stuff. It wasn't until years later when I had

another episode of kidney stones after eating quite a lot of greens that I

realized that their must be something in the greens causing me issues. The

internet wasn't around back then, but I researched as best as I could (how did

we EVER get along back then, lol) and found out that oxolates and amines were

causing my kidney stones. To this day, I can only have most veggies in

moderation, and no fruit whatsover, except fresh pears, in season and thickly

peeled-otherwise, I get stones very quickly. I am quite convinced NOW, that had

I not overdone the greens with the juicing, I wouldn't have ever developed the

condition that plaques me now, which is why I think it IS important to rotate

greens.

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Hi ,

When I first read about your issues with kidney stones, I was going to ask

you if the same can be true of gallstones.

I certainly did not juice as much as you do, but I do juice and made green

smoothies.

On Feb. 2011, I had an ultrasound taken and they found only a 7 mm polyp in

my gallbladder as was told it is not a stone.

Then in May 2011, I started to make my green smoothies. By June 2011, I

went for a 30 day all raw program and continue to stay raw until I had the

second ultrasound of my stomach as the amylase level was slightly higher.

Then, the result came back indicated that I have a 7mm gallstone.

When I did my research, there is mention that when you lose weight too

quickly, you can easily get gallstones. I did lose about 10 lbs. in 2

months when I went raw, though that was not my goal, as I do not need to

lose. On the other hand, at that time, I had high energy and I surely was

not sick.

Just wonder if the oxalates that you folks are talking about had anything

to do with it.

This is now winter, so I went back to some cooked food. When spring comes

along, I surely would like to go full swing back to raw food.

, are you still eating raw now and do you still have your kidney

issues?

Thanks.

> **

>

>

> Yes, it was quite horrid. I had never had kidney issues prior to starting

> the juicing, and the high level of oxolates in my system at the time

> certainly supported the thought process that it was caused by all the

> greens. I wasn't vegan or vegetarian at the time, but I was juicing a LOT

> of greens. My neighbors owned an orange grove, and also farmed kale,

> malabar and other greens and veggies, and I always had an abundance of

> lovely goodies to juice. I was a deputy sheriff at the time, and would fill

> a thermos of juice to work the midnight shift, thinking I was doing a good

> thing by avoiding the typical coffee boost common among cops, lol. WRONG! I

> know it took a HUGE tray of greens to make a simple glass of juice-far more

> than one could ever consume in one sitting! I ended up with not only long

> term kidney damage, but bile duct blockage as well-caused by large stones

> blockages. I also ended up with gout, which is often caused by high

> oxolate/purines/amines/salicylates, etc-all common in fruits and veggies.

> Granted, there is a GOOD chance that I was taking it to excess, but many

> people do when they start juicing.

>

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I agree completely, Lee. You have to be very careful what " studies " you

choose to give credence to. Many are funded by interested parties with

agendas and an eye for marketing and blog buzz for their products. I'm a

scientist at heart (and a student of biology and nutrition), and I

believe in whole foods and whole data!

There is a strong correlation between these studies on " anti-nutrients "

in our whole foods and the marketing of products like spirulina and

chlorella and other refined chlorophyll supplements. This sort of thing

immediately activates my skepticism.

But I'm going to explore this a bit more. I do try to keep an open mind.

=)

~

> > > >

> > > > Ah, so if I like to eat greens every day, I have to eat

different

> > greens?/ Say for example, tonight I'm eating Bok Choy, then tomorrow

I

> > can eat Escarole, and the next day I can eat collards and the next

day I

> > can eat kale, and then I can go back to bok choy??

> > > >

> > > > Is this right?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks, Mel

> >

> >

> >

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I was crippled with " lupus " and " rheumatoid arthritis " for a full twelve

years-not ONE doctor EVER suggested that diet was an issue-I made the food

allergy connection MYSELF one morning, realized I felt worse after eating

certain things...started researching the topic, identifying and eliminating my

allergens, and COMPLETELY healed from my " diseases " within days of making

dietary changes! I still have to use a wheelchair due to the damage caused all

of those years, but I am TOTALLY fine, pain free and active as long as I avoid

certain foods-not one doc ever suggested it as a possible cause, and not one

doctor believes the reason I am well now is because I avoid allergens! They are

totally closed minded to the whole concept.

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I think the fear monger is the person who seeks to inspire fear in

others, that's not you, Patti!

May I ask how you make that work for you? Are you buying it or growing

it yourself? A 3 green rotation might not be too bad, but the way I

would tend to do that is use spinach and kale together since kale has a

bit too strong taste to use exclusively.

~

>

> SOO just so you know I am NOT a fear monger! sheshh.. I dont WORRY at

all as a matter of fact. I simply make a green smoothie with a

different green daily.. so today was spinach, tomorrow will be kale,

next day romaine lettuce .. next day spinach.... simple as that!

>

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> PattiÂ

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> From: Leron Bouma leronb@...

> To: sproutpeople

> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 11:59 AM

> Subject: Re: Worry over alkaloids

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>

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> , I really appreciate your comments on this. I trained myself

over the years to not be motivated by fear and I've found that more

dedicated I've gotten to living a fear-free-life, the more evident it

has become that the entire world can't seem to function without

inspiring fear in us on a daily basis. The pharmaceutical companies, the

supplement companies, the food companies are all thinking that they can

push you in the direction of their products by creating fear in you.

> I believe that people that report things such as; alkaloids, phytates,

and such are well intentioned but often not so well informed. When you

read or hear something alarming in the popular press most of the time

the reporter is so poorly educated in science that he is reporting the

opposite of the studies findings as the truth. Or a month later another

study is going tell the opposite story.

> So I'm choosing to eat as many vegetables as I can and not worry about

any of this other stuff.

> Lee

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One of the issues with gallstones is that your gallbladder needs a certain

amount of fat in your diet in order to cause it to expel the gall. If it

doesn't have the fat, the cholesterol in the gallbladder just sits there

and turns to stone. I found this out when I went to Durham and did the

Duke University Rice Diet, which is a low fat, low sodium diet. Almost

everyone who did the diet ended up without a gallbladder. The docs thought

it was a good thing. Ya'rite.

Pam

>Hi ,

>

>When I first read about your issues with kidney stones, I was going to ask

>you if the same can be true of gallstones.

>

>I certainly did not juice as much as you do, but I do juice and made green

>smoothies.

>

>On Feb. 2011, I had an ultrasound taken and they found only a 7 mm polyp

>in

>my gallbladder as was told it is not a stone.

>

>Then in May 2011, I started to make my green smoothies. By June 2011, I

>went for a 30 day all raw program and continue to stay raw until I had the

>second ultrasound of my stomach as the amylase level was slightly higher.

>Then, the result came back indicated that I have a 7mm gallstone.

>

>When I did my research, there is mention that when you lose weight too

>quickly, you can easily get gallstones. I did lose about 10 lbs. in 2

>months when I went raw, though that was not my goal, as I do not need to

>lose. On the other hand, at that time, I had high energy and I surely was

>not sick.

>

>Just wonder if the oxalates that you folks are talking about had anything

>to do with it.

>

>This is now winter, so I went back to some cooked food. When spring comes

>along, I surely would like to go full swing back to raw food.

>

>, are you still eating raw now and do you still have your kidney

>issues?

>

>Thanks.

>

>

>

>> **

>>

>>

>> Yes, it was quite horrid. I had never had kidney issues prior to

>>starting

>> the juicing, and the high level of oxolates in my system at the time

>> certainly supported the thought process that it was caused by all the

>> greens. I wasn't vegan or vegetarian at the time, but I was juicing a

>>LOT

>> of greens. My neighbors owned an orange grove, and also farmed kale,

>> malabar and other greens and veggies, and I always had an abundance of

>> lovely goodies to juice. I was a deputy sheriff at the time, and would

>>fill

>> a thermos of juice to work the midnight shift, thinking I was doing a

>>good

>> thing by avoiding the typical coffee boost common among cops, lol.

>>WRONG! I

>> know it took a HUGE tray of greens to make a simple glass of juice-far

>>more

>> than one could ever consume in one sitting! I ended up with not only

>>long

>> term kidney damage, but bile duct blockage as well-caused by large

>>stones

>> blockages. I also ended up with gout, which is often caused by high

>> oxolate/purines/amines/salicylates, etc-all common in fruits and

>>veggies.

>> Granted, there is a GOOD chance that I was taking it to excess, but many

>> people do when they start juicing.

>>

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Why, to take over the planet once we've blown ourselves to kingdom come,

of course!

Planet of the Apes? More like Planet of the Cockroaches! *shivers*

~ <-(there I go thinking I'm funny again! lol)

> >

> > I had a friend that tried one of those indoor earthwork farms. He

didn't

> follow the instructions and work up in the morning with earthworms

crawling

> on his kitchen floor looking for food.

> > ew

> >

> > Re: Re: Worry over alkaloids

> >

> > LOL, Melody-don't even get me started! When I took up gardening

years ago,

> someone told me how easy it was to farm earthworms indoors-I was

totally

> grossed out and swore I would NEVER do such a thing...well, like MANY

other

> things, I am happy to report that I now DO farm earthworms, inside,

all

> winter long! If is a fun, entertaining, and very productive hobby-not

gross

> in the least! I farm the worms in bins in my basement, throwing in a

handful

> of veggie scraps each week and keeping the soil moist. In the spring,

I turn

> the worms out into my containers and raised beds, and they do all the

hard

> work for me! I used to be afraid of worms, bees, wasps etc-now I

EMBRACE

> them as friends of the garden! Tell Alan you are going to take up

earthworm

> farming...I expect a video of THAT conversation, lol!

> >

> >

> >

> > S

> >

> >

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Yes, I have heard they'd be the last living things on earth! Shivers

indeed!!

Thea

From: sproutpeople [mailto:sproutpeople ] On

Behalf Of

Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 8:00 PM

To: sproutpeople

Subject: Re: Worry over alkaloids

Why, to take over the planet once we've blown ourselves to kingdom come,

of course!

Planet of the Apes? More like Planet of the Cockroaches! *shivers*

~ <-(there I go thinking I'm funny again! lol)

> >

> > I had a friend that tried one of those indoor earthwork farms. He

didn't

> follow the instructions and work up in the morning with earthworms

crawling

> on his kitchen floor looking for food.

> > ew

> >

> > Re: Re: Worry over alkaloids

> >

> > LOL, Melody-don't even get me started! When I took up gardening

years ago,

> someone told me how easy it was to farm earthworms indoors-I was

totally

> grossed out and swore I would NEVER do such a thing...well, like MANY

other

> things, I am happy to report that I now DO farm earthworms, inside,

all

> winter long! If is a fun, entertaining, and very productive hobby-not

gross

> in the least! I farm the worms in bins in my basement, throwing in a

handful

> of veggie scraps each week and keeping the soil moist. In the spring,

I turn

> the worms out into my containers and raised beds, and they do all the

hard

> work for me! I used to be afraid of worms, bees, wasps etc-now I

EMBRACE

> them as friends of the garden! Tell Alan you are going to take up

earthworm

> farming...I expect a video of THAT conversation, lol!

> >

> >

> >

> > S

> >

> >

> >

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I would say there is a very good chance your gallstones could have been

AGGRAVATED (not caused) by specialty type diets, juicing, or even just adding in

more fruits and veggies. As the body expels fat, in response to any of these

methods, if it is clearing faster than the gallbladder can metabolize it, it can

certainly cause stones. As I mentioned, it isn't uncommon for those who start

juicing to end up with kidney issues, if they do it too fast, or suddenly drop

fats all together from their diet. The body simply doesn't have time to make

the adjustments, and stones can form anywhere. I actually did my body more harm

than good by trying to " get healthy " . I learned that ALL things need to be in

moderation, even the " healthy " stuff. In my own case, it turned out I had an

allergy to the salycilates and amines in many foods, but I also went to far, too

fast. Due to the damage done, I can no longer eat many raw foods, but do try to

when and as I can (I have learned to LISTEN to my body, and let it tell me what

and when I need certain nutrients) One reason I am not a fan of standard book

type diets, is they don't take in to account that NOT one size fits all. I have

known many people over the years who have gotten very ill while trying to become

healthy, which is why vegetarians get a bad rap-people think the absence of meat

causes deficiencies, but it is often just overdoing it on veggies. Balance is

the key with ALL things, good or bad, I think.

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Yeah, and the 80's was a rather intolerant climate for natural foods and

eating. Margarine was health food back then! The country was marveling

at what modern medicine and science was capable of. " Better living

through chemistry " and all that... Hippocrates was spinning in his grave

in the 80's!

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You can believe what you want, . However what you have stated is not

the situation in my case, or in the case of the other people who did the

diet. Prior to my no fat diet, I had no gallstones. The Duke University

Rice Diet was at that time (and I assume still is, although I don't know)

clinically managed ­ we ate in a special dining room, we had " group

meetings, " and we had multiple medical tests before and during the

treatment. After spending 6 months on the diet, I had developed gallstones.

There may be other reasons people develop stones, but in my case it was

definitely due to the lack of fat in the diet diet. With no fat, the

gallbladder has no reason to work.

Pam

Reply-To: <sproutpeople >

Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2012 01:08:20 -0000

To: <sproutpeople >

Subject: Re: Worry over alkaloids

>

>

>

>

>

> I would say there is a very good chance your gallstones could have been

> AGGRAVATED (not caused) by specialty type diets, juicing, or even just adding

> in more fruits and veggies. As the body expels fat, in response to any of

> these methods, if it is clearing faster than the gallbladder can metabolize

> it, it can certainly cause stones. As I mentioned, it isn't uncommon for

> those who start juicing to end up with kidney issues, if they do it too fast,

> or suddenly drop fats all together from their diet. The body simply doesn't

> have time to make the adjustments, and stones can form anywhere. I actually

> did my body more harm than good by trying to " get healthy " . I learned that

> ALL things need to be in moderation, even the " healthy " stuff. In my own

> case, it turned out I had an allergy to the salycilates and amines in many

> foods, but I also went to far, too fast. Due to the damage done, I can no

> longer eat many raw foods, but do try to when and as I can (I have learned to

> LISTEN to my body, and let it tell me what and when I need certain nutrients)

> One reason I am not a fan of standard book type diets, is they don't take in

> to account that NOT one size fits all. I have known many people over the

> years who have gotten very ill while trying to become healthy, which is why

> vegetarians get a bad rap-people think the absence of meat causes

> deficiencies, but it is often just overdoing it on veggies. Balance is the

> key with ALL things, good or bad, I think.

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I wasn't aware that I had said anything to the contrary of what you were saying?

Of course it is all different for all people, which was the only point I was

trying to make-not sure what you are saying I contradicted, or should believe,

but I am merely expressing my opinion and personal experience...not trying to

say I am right, just what happened in my case. What I DID say pretty much

supports exactly what YOU are saying, or so that was my intention.

>

> You can believe what you want, . However what you have stated is not

> the situation in my case, or in the case of the other people who did the

> diet. Prior to my no fat diet, I had no gallstones. The Duke University

> Rice Diet was at that time (and I assume still is, although I don't know)

> clinically managed ­ we ate in a special dining room, we had " group

> meetings, " and we had multiple medical tests before and during the

> treatment. After spending 6 months on the diet, I had developed gallstones.

> There may be other reasons people develop stones, but in my case it was

> definitely due to the lack of fat in the diet diet. With no fat, the

> gallbladder has no reason to work.

>

> Pam

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> Reply-To: <sproutpeople >

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This is the exact same article that prompted me to ask the question. Except that

I found it on a different website and identified as being from

Boutenko. And it's one of her Green Smoothie books where I originally read about

not eating too many sprouts.

I'd already been starting to think about sprouting and had joined this group

when I read her book and the comment about limiting the sprouts. And I thought

about asking about it here. But procrastination set in and now, several weeks

later, I come across this article. Reminds me about the book and so I finally

ask the question here of whether anyone's concerned or ever heard of this

" danger " from consuming sprouts on a daily basis.

As far as the green smoothies are concerned, I've pretty much determined that if

buying a bag of prewashed spinach (for example) and only a quarter of it gets

put into a green smoothie, well, I might be having a spinach green smoothie for

four days before I move onto another green. Assuming that I'm not consuming the

spinach any way besides a smoothie.

I suspect my approach to consuming sprouts will be similar. And for much the

same reason. As said in one of her responses to my question, the

nutritional benefits of sprouting far outweigh the nutritional negatives of

sprouting. I don't think I'm particularly sensitive to the alkaloids that would

be present, and so long as I don't go for weeks on end without any variety, I

can't see there being any " predisposed " downside.

Andresa

>

> I have read in more than one place on the internet to rotate greens which I do

all the time!  it's not ocd or neurosis...

>

> here is a link:

>

> http://greensmoothiesblog.com/green-smoothie-rotate/

>  

>

>

> Patti 

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Too funny, Melody!

Just this morning I watched a video of birdie bread being made (I have a parrot)

using canned spinach. The guys using it didn't enjoy touching it at all (why

they used their fingers instead of a fork to pick it up and add it to the muffin

mix I don't know). But they said the reason to use canned spinach (and I assume

any other canned greens - actually I didn't know there were other canned greens

until you mentioned it; I just don't go down the canned vegetable aisle very

often) was because it dispersed or distributed throughout the muffin mix easily

and the wetness of the spinach (and the canned green beans they also added) help

keep the mix moist; presumably everything being added would make the muffins

very dry otherwise.

I want to thank you, Melody, for your infectious enthusiasm. It was your various

sprouting comments over on the VitaMix group that got me thinking about

sprouting myself. I placed my first order yesterday and today I received the

shipping notification!

Andresa

>

> I have to tell you a GREENS story. Aside from eating my sprouts, I love to

cook greens as a side dish every night. I had NEVER eaten canned greens of any

time.

>

> I saw a can of 's canned collards and canned kale. Each can was BIG. Only

$1.49 a can which would make 3 side dishes. I bought them for the experience.

Never again.

>

> I opened both cans. Now we have two completely different greens here right?

>

> Well, BOTH looked exactly the same, smelled the same and tasted the same.

>

> I would never do this again, I just wanted the experience.

>

> Melody

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