Guest guest Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Ah, so if I like to eat greens every day, I have to eat different greens?/ Say for example, tonight I'm eating Bok Choy, then tomorrow I can eat Escarole, and the next day I can eat collards and the next day I can eat kale, and then I can go back to bok choy?? Is this right? Thanks, Mel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I think the problem is with people who make smoothies with only one type of greens (I.e., I've seen someone who only uses raw spinach) - raw spinach has quite a bit of oxalic acid in it if she switched her greens around, she would get different nutrients. From Wiki: Oxalic acid and oxalates are present in many plants, including black tea <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_tea> , and occur naturally in animals. Calcium oxalate <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_oxalate> is the most common component of kidney stones <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidney_stone> . Early investigators isolated oxalic acid from wood-sorrel <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxalis> (Oxalis). Its presence makes it dangerous to eat unripe carambola <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carambola> or monstera <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monstera> fruits. Members of the spinach <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinach> family are high in oxalates, as is sorrel <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorrel> , and a, " steady diet of raw leaves, " is not recommended.[10] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxalic_acid#cite_note-9> Reply-To: <sproutpeople > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:25:42 -0000 To: <sproutpeople > Subject: Re: Worry over alkaloids > > > > > > Ah, so if I like to eat greens every day, I have to eat different greens?/ Say > for example, tonight I'm eating Bok Choy, then tomorrow I can eat Escarole, > and the next day I can eat collards and the next day I can eat kale, and then > I can go back to bok choy?? > > Is this right? > > Thanks, Mel > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Ah,Raw Spinach, one of the many greens that I do not consume and I have no idea why!!! lol Melody > > I think the problem is with people who make smoothies with only one type of > greens (I.e., I've seen someone who only uses raw spinach) - raw spinach has > quite a bit of oxalic acid in it if she switched her greens around, she > would get different nutrients. > > From Wiki: > Oxalic acid and oxalates are present in many plants, including black tea > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_tea> , and occur naturally in animals. > Calcium oxalate <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_oxalate> is the most > common component of kidney stones > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidney_stone> . Early investigators isolated > oxalic acid from wood-sorrel <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxalis> > (Oxalis). Its presence makes it dangerous to eat unripe carambola > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carambola> or monstera > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monstera> fruits. Members of the spinach > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinach> family are high in oxalates, as is > sorrel <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorrel> , and a, " steady diet of raw > leaves, " is not recommended.[10] > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxalic_acid#cite_note-9> > > > Reply-To: <sproutpeople > > Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 21:25:42 -0000 > To: <sproutpeople > > Subject: Re: Worry over alkaloids > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah, so if I like to eat greens every day, I have to eat different greens?/ Say > > for example, tonight I'm eating Bok Choy, then tomorrow I can eat Escarole, > > and the next day I can eat collards and the next day I can eat kale, and then > > I can go back to bok choy?? > > > > Is this right? > > > > Thanks, Mel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Mel, raw spinch is great and great for you. roll a couple of leaves togather, slice them thin and add to your daily salad. You'll be glad you did. ew Re: Worry over alkaloids Ah,Raw Spinach, one of the many greens that I do not consume and I have no idea why!!! lol Melody -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 EW: This 5 gallon bucket thing that I'm going to be putting a brick of coir in. I add the water, I gather coir comes with instructions?? Let's say it tells me what to do and now (after a few hours) I have this Coir, right? I gather I take enough (like they do in the videos) and use my glass pie plates, and spread the coir around and sprinkle the soaked sunflower seeds etc.etc. so here's my next question. What do I do with the rest of the Coir? Do I re-use the coir that I've used to grow the sunflower sprouts in? And how do I store this coir? And does it make bugs? rofl. Melody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 That is the theory, Mel. Along the lines of " variety is the spice of life " I suppose. And I'm not sure that it's ALL types of greens. Or maybe it depends on the amount of the same green being consumed day after day, week after week, year in and year out - with no variation. Quite frankly, I think I'd get bored faster than I might run into toxicity build-up issues. The impression I get with this 'rotate your greens' mantra is just like you said, Mel. A different green every day for a week or maybe ten days before you repeat a green. Well, I'm sorry. It's just me. I can't buy a 5ounce bag of prewashed lettuce or spinach to rotate. A green smoothie would probably not use even 1/4 of the bag. Even IF some of it got used in a salad or sandwich (unlikely, but it might occasionally happen), a huge portion of that bag would get thrown out. So my idea of rotating my greens is to buy a bag or bunch of one green and use it until it's gone. Then I'll buy a bag or bunch of a different green and use it until gone. Continue like this until I've done 4-7-10 different greens and then I can go back to the first green. But that's regarding greens, and I was wondering if anyone here - on this sprouting group - had heard or was concerned over any type of " excessive " amounts of the toxic alkaloids in the sprouts. Andresa > > Ah, so if I like to eat greens every day, I have to eat different greens?/ Say for example, tonight I'm eating Bok Choy, then tomorrow I can eat Escarole, and the next day I can eat collards and the next day I can eat kale, and then I can go back to bok choy?? > > Is this right? > > Thanks, Mel > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 That's a good point, Pam, and I think switching around for more varied nutrients is another way to look at it. Regardless of how you're eating the greens - smoothie, salad, stir-fry, whatever. Though I read just this week I think that the produce you buy in the store is not very varied compared to what you might grow yourself. Andresa > > I think the problem is with people who make smoothies with only one type of > greens (I.e., I've seen someone who only uses raw spinach) - raw spinach has > quite a bit of oxalic acid in it � if she switched her greens around, she > would get different nutrients. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Hi ! I am right there in that boat with you! I have been making green smoothies on and off for a few years now. And as I understand it, worrying about the alkaloids in these superfoods like greens and sprouts is counter productive... especially if it leads you to " throw out the baby with the bathwater " , so to speak. By that I mean that the benefits FAR outweigh any negative effects and you'd do yourself a disservice to avoid such healthful foods for fear of a few minor potential drawbacks. If they can really be called " drawbacks " since I've not seen any real documented data to validate such toxicity concerns, though I have heard about them and researched them before. Like I said: you, me, boat! That said, " everything in moderation " is an excellent rule of thumb. As is " eat a rainbow " ! Not only is variety the spice of life, it gives you the most complete nutrition possible. On the topic of the concentration of these alkaloids being greater in sprouts... it wouldn't surprise me a bit. EVERYTHING is concentrated in sprouts! Including all those wonderful nutrients and anti-oxidants and enzymes that, again, outweigh any potentially harmful effect. But I do expect that blending sprouts will make more of those alkaloids available for absorption because blending makes all components of the vegetable matter more bio-available by breaking it down FAR more efficiently than chewing. I can't speak to the time spent growing being a factor... I'm new to sprouting too. But I think most sprouts that you grow longer than 3 days are " greens " or " micro-greens " . I got started on my road to healthful eating with Robyn Openshaw, the Green Smoothie Girl. So I checked out what she had to say in her blog on the subject. She doesn't appear to have spoken to the alkaloids specifically, but she has spoken about oxalates and goitrogens: http://www.greensmoothiegirl.com/blog/?s=oxalate What she says makes sense to me, check out the top 2 on that page. But the gist is what I've already said... The pros outweigh the cons. I intend to do much like you plan to, try a variety and find what I like. I wouldn't count anything out without some real reason to suspect it's doing me harm or it's just unpalatable. Interesting topic though... I can't find much info on what alkaloids specifically are in what foods. Do you have anything like that? ~ > > To improve my health I've been having a smoothie nearly every day. For the last few months, I've been trying to have that smoothie be a green smoothie in order to get more veggies into my dietary intake. > > One of the biggest things you hear about green smoothies is to " rotate the greens " because all greens have small amounts of alkaloids. And if you're eating the same green day after day, week after week, these poisons build up and you end up getting less healthy rather than more healthy. > > Now that I've had some success incorporating greens, I'm looking at sprouting to take me to another level of healthy nutrition. And, while I might add some sprouts to my smoothies, I'm primarily looking at growing them to have as a daily snack and/or salad base. > > In a book about green smoothies that I've just recently read, it stated that if adding sprouts to your green smoothies, you don't want to add very much nor do you want to do it very often. The reason given was that between approximately days 3 through 6 of the sprouting process, the alkaloids are at their highest concentration - as part of the plant's defensive mechanism to keep from being eaten by animals. (so I guess the tiny sprout plant is supposed to taste bitter or unpleasant during these days?) My take-away from that was " if sprouts shouldn't be added very often or in large quantities to a smoothie because of the poison concentration, wouldn't that also hold true for eating the sprouts? " > > Anyway, I'm just wondering if anyone's ever heard of this, worried about it, do you rotate your sprouts because of it, etc.? > > When I eventually do place & receive my first sprout sampler, I'll take sproutpeople's advice to grow them for several days, tasting them at each rinse & drain to see when I like them the best. Even before I read about this worrisome information, I'd been hoping that I'd like my sprouts the best within the first 24-48 hours. > > Thanks for any feedback you've got to share on the subject. > > Andresa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Store the coir in the bucket that you reconstituted it in. Get a bucket with a lid. PS: If you have a fast food restaurant near you that sells hamburgers, ask for a empty bucket. Ot, maybe that place you go every mrning for breakfast. They get pickle slices in them and just throw them away. I get about 10 a year from a local Burger King. You cannot reuse the coir because the roots from the sprouts will be all intertwined and there will nothing left for a new batch. You have those nice plants out in front. Dump the used coir behind the plants and the earthworms will eat it up for you. ew Re: Worry over alkaloids EW: This 5 gallon bucket thing that I'm going to be putting a brick of coir in. I add the water, I gather coir comes with instructions?? Let's say it tells me what to do and now (after a few hours) I have this Coir, right? I gather I take enough (like they do in the videos) and use my glass pie plates, and spread the coir around and sprinkle the soaked sunflower seeds etc.etc. so here's my next question. What do I do with the rest of the Coir? Do I re-use the coir that I've used to grow the sunflower sprouts in? And how do I store this coir? And does it make bugs? rofl. Melody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Whoops! I mean Hi Andresa! Sorry, I didn't look closely enough. ~ > > > > To improve my health I've been having a smoothie nearly every day. For > the last few months, I've been trying to have that smoothie be a green > smoothie in order to get more veggies into my dietary intake. > > > > One of the biggest things you hear about green smoothies is to " rotate > the greens " because all greens have small amounts of alkaloids. And if > you're eating the same green day after day, week after week, these > poisons build up and you end up getting less healthy rather than more > healthy. > > > > Now that I've had some success incorporating greens, I'm looking at > sprouting to take me to another level of healthy nutrition. And, while I > might add some sprouts to my smoothies, I'm primarily looking at growing > them to have as a daily snack and/or salad base. > > > > In a book about green smoothies that I've just recently read, it > stated that if adding sprouts to your green smoothies, you don't want to > add very much nor do you want to do it very often. The reason given was > that between approximately days 3 through 6 of the sprouting process, > the alkaloids are at their highest concentration - as part of the > plant's defensive mechanism to keep from being eaten by animals. (so I > guess the tiny sprout plant is supposed to taste bitter or unpleasant > during these days?) My take-away from that was " if sprouts shouldn't be > added very often or in large quantities to a smoothie because of the > poison concentration, wouldn't that also hold true for eating the > sprouts? " > > > > Anyway, I'm just wondering if anyone's ever heard of this, worried > about it, do you rotate your sprouts because of it, etc.? > > > > When I eventually do place & receive my first sprout sampler, I'll > take sproutpeople's advice to grow them for several days, tasting them > at each rinse & drain to see when I like them the best. Even before I > read about this worrisome information, I'd been hoping that I'd like my > sprouts the best within the first 24-48 hours. > > > > Thanks for any feedback you've got to share on the subject. > > > > Andresa > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Daily rotating of greens sounds like more of a problem (neurosis, OCD) than a solution. And like you say, it's not cost effective. I really doubt there is any reason not to eat a certain green or sprout or what have you every single day if that's what you love. I'm sure not forcing myself to make my smoothies with straight Kale or Mustard greens for days on end waiting to get back to my beloved spinach. I really don't see this being a problem unless someone has a sensitivity or is eating in an unbalanced way, like going for an extended period eating nothing but smoothies made from spinach or alfalfa sprouts to the exclusion of other foods. Then it would seem reasonable that you could accumulate levels of toxins particular to that one plant that your body could not excrete effectively enough and thus cause you an issue. And really, it's never a good idea to eat excessive amounts of any food, especially to the exclusion of all others. Again, do you have a link to any this literature that discusses the alkaloids in sprouts that has you so concerned? I had only really heard of alkaloids referred to in regard to " nightshade " veggies such as potatoes, tomatoes, peppers, eggplant, etc. As we don't typically sprout seeds of nightshade varieties, I wouldn't have thought alkaloids were a concern with sprouts. Maybe that's a question for the actual Sproutpeople, Gil and Lori... ~ > > > > Ah, so if I like to eat greens every day, I have to eat different greens?/ Say for example, tonight I'm eating Bok Choy, then tomorrow I can eat Escarole, and the next day I can eat collards and the next day I can eat kale, and then I can go back to bok choy?? > > > > Is this right? > > > > Thanks, Mel > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Considering how many tomatoes I eat, let alone, how many tomatoes this country and Italy eat in a year's time, there aren't alarming elevated levels of alkaloids reported at all. And Italy is very liberated when it comes to nutritional medicine. I have vegan friends that eat the same sprouts each and every day without rotating. There isn't enough naturally occurring alkaloids in sprouts to be even noticeable. I need to do some research to see if there are any measurable alkaloids in sprouts at the very beginning, or is alkaloid production occurs much later on in the full plant state. So enjoy your sprouts. I doubt you could eat enough to cause problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 I don't think sprouts need to be rotated as much as greens do. The main reason to rotate greens is because too much of the oxalates, amines, and salicylates in them can cause kidney stones and/or food allergies. By rotating, you avoid high concentrations that you get by juicing them in the first place. Juicing yeilds so much more of a concentration than just eating a serving would. I learned this the hard way years ago, and highly recommend rotating them if you make smoothies from them. I don't think it is important to rotate them if you just eat them as a side dish, but I would certainly heed the warning when juicing or concentrating them in drinks. > > Considering how many tomatoes I eat, let alone, how many tomatoes this country and Italy eat in a year's time, there aren't alarming elevated levels of alkaloids reported at all. And Italy is very liberated when it comes to nutritional medicine. > > I have vegan friends that eat the same sprouts each and every day without rotating. There isn't enough naturally occurring alkaloids in sprouts to be even noticeable. I need to do some research to see if there are any measurable alkaloids in sprouts at the very beginning, or is alkaloid production occurs much later on in the full plant state. > > So enjoy your sprouts. I doubt you could eat enough to cause problems. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 I have to tell you a GREENS story. Aside from eating my sprouts, I love to cook greens as a side dish every night. I had NEVER eaten canned greens of any time. I saw a can of 's canned collards and canned kale. Each can was BIG. Only $1.49 a can which would make 3 side dishes. I bought them for the experience. Never again. I opened both cans. Now we have two completely different greens here right? Well, BOTH looked exactly the same, smelled the same and tasted the same. I would never do this again, I just wanted the experience. Melody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 OMG, Now I'm getting involved with earthworms. lol Melody > > Store the coir in the bucket that you reconstituted it in. Get a bucket with a lid. PS: If you have a fast food restaurant near you that sells hamburgers, ask for a empty bucket. Ot, maybe that place you go every mrning for breakfast. They get pickle slices in them and just throw them away. I get about 10 a year from a local Burger King. > You cannot reuse the coir because the roots from the sprouts will be all intertwined and there will nothing left for a new batch. You have those nice plants out in front. Dump the used coir behind the plants and the earthworms will eat it up for you. > ew > > Re: Worry over alkaloids > > EW: > > This 5 gallon bucket thing that I'm going to be putting a brick of coir in. I add the water, I gather coir comes with instructions?? > > Let's say it tells me what to do and now (after a few hours) I have this Coir, right? > > I gather I take enough (like they do in the videos) and use my glass pie plates, and spread the coir around and sprinkle the soaked sunflower seeds etc.etc. so here's my next question. > > What do I do with the rest of the Coir? Do I re-use the coir that I've used to grow the sunflower sprouts in? And how do I store this coir? And does it make bugs? > > rofl. > > Melody > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 AND THAT'S A GOOD THING! Re: Worry over alkaloids > > EW: > > This 5 gallon bucket thing that I'm going to be putting a brick of coir in. I add the water, I gather coir comes with instructions?? > > Let's say it tells me what to do and now (after a few hours) I have this Coir, right? > > I gather I take enough (like they do in the videos) and use my glass pie plates, and spread the coir around and sprinkle the soaked sunflower seeds etc.etc. so here's my next question. > > What do I do with the rest of the Coir? Do I re-use the coir that I've used to grow the sunflower sprouts in? And how do I store this coir? And does it make bugs? > > rofl. > > Melody > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 I don't mean to start anything, but PLEASE don't say rotating greens is neurosis or OCD,...if you have ever suffered the effects of kidney stones, you surely wouldn't think that way, or make an assumption. Had I heeded the advice being given, I wouldn't have spent weeks recovering from my issue with it. All info should be taken with a grain of salt and personal research, but please don't unkindly blow it off as neurosis or OCD when there IS validity to it. Part of the beauty of these groups is learning from others-I WISH I had had such a group to gather info from years ago, before I learned the hard way. Thanks > > > > > > Ah, so if I like to eat greens every day, I have to eat different > greens?/ Say for example, tonight I'm eating Bok Choy, then tomorrow I > can eat Escarole, and the next day I can eat collards and the next day I > can eat kale, and then I can go back to bok choy?? > > > > > > Is this right? > > > > > > Thanks, Mel > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 I have read in more than one place on the internet to rotate greens which I do all the time! it's not ocd or neurosis... here is a link: http://greensmoothiesblog.com/green-smoothie-rotate/  Patti ________________________________ To: sproutpeople Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:22 AM Subject: Re: Worry over alkaloids  I don't mean to start anything, but PLEASE don't say rotating greens is neurosis or OCD,...if you have ever suffered the effects of kidney stones, you surely wouldn't think that way, or make an assumption. Had I heeded the advice being given, I wouldn't have spent weeks recovering from my issue with it. All info should be taken with a grain of salt and personal research, but please don't unkindly blow it off as neurosis or OCD when there IS validity to it. Part of the beauty of these groups is learning from others-I WISH I had had such a group to gather info from years ago, before I learned the hard way. Thanks > > > > > > Ah, so if I like to eat greens every day, I have to eat different > greens?/ Say for example, tonight I'm eating Bok Choy, then tomorrow I > can eat Escarole, and the next day I can eat collards and the next day I > can eat kale, and then I can go back to bok choy?? > > > > > > Is this right? > > > > > > Thanks, Mel > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 LOL, Melody-don't even get me started! When I took up gardening years ago, someone told me how easy it was to farm earthworms indoors-I was totally grossed out and swore I would NEVER do such a thing...well, like MANY other things, I am happy to report that I now DO farm earthworms, inside, all winter long! If is a fun, entertaining, and very productive hobby-not gross in the least! I farm the worms in bins in my basement, throwing in a handful of veggie scraps each week and keeping the soil moist. In the spring, I turn the worms out into my containers and raised beds, and they do all the hard work for me! I used to be afraid of worms, bees, wasps etc-now I EMBRACE them as friends of the garden! Tell Alan you are going to take up earthworm farming...I expect a video of THAT conversation, lol! Sent from my iPad > OMG, Now I'm getting involved with earthworms. > > lol > > Melody > > > > > > Store the coir in the bucket that you reconstituted it in. Get a bucket with a lid. PS: If you have a fast food restaurant near you that sells hamburgers, ask for a empty bucket. Ot, maybe that place you go every mrning for breakfast. They get pickle slices in them and just throw them away. I get about 10 a year from a local Burger King. > > You cannot reuse the coir because the roots from the sprouts will be all intertwined and there will nothing left for a new batch. You have those nice plants out in front. Dump the used coir behind the plants and the earthworms will eat it up for you. > > ew > > > > Re: Worry over alkaloids > > > > EW: > > > > This 5 gallon bucket thing that I'm going to be putting a brick of coir in. I add the water, I gather coir comes with instructions?? > > > > Let's say it tells me what to do and now (after a few hours) I have this Coir, right? > > > > I gather I take enough (like they do in the videos) and use my glass pie plates, and spread the coir around and sprinkle the soaked sunflower seeds etc.etc. so here's my next question. > > > > What do I do with the rest of the Coir? Do I re-use the coir that I've used to grow the sunflower sprouts in? And how do I store this coir? And does it make bugs? > > > > rofl. > > > > Melody > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Way ahead of you. I did the video this morning. Take a look and enjoy!! This is Alan's reaction to my doing anything with earthworms. Melody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 LOL, perfect! I love you two!! Sent from my iPad > Way ahead of you. I did the video this morning. Take a look and enjoy!! This is Alan's reaction to my doing anything with earthworms. > > > > Melody > > > > > TODAY(Beta) • Powered by Yahoo! > Danica suffers hardest wreck yet > The racer proves her toughness after a crash so violent that her car leaves the ground. > Privacy Policy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 , I really appreciate your comments on this. I trained myself over the years to not be motivated by fear and I've found that more dedicated I've gotten to living a fear-free-life, the more evident it has become that the entire world can't seem to function without inspiring fear in us on a daily basis. The pharmaceutical companies, the supplement companies, the food companies are all thinking that they can push you in the direction of their products by creating fear in you. I believe that people that report things such as; alkaloids, phytates, and such are well intentioned but often not so well informed. When you read or hear something alarming in the popular press most of the time the reporter is so poorly educated in science that he is reporting the opposite of the studies findings as the truth. Or a month later another study is going tell the opposite story. So I'm choosing to eat as many vegetables as I can and not worry about any of this other stuff. Lee > Daily rotating of greens sounds like more of a problem (neurosis, OCD) > than a solution. And like you say, it's not cost effective. I really > doubt there is any reason not to eat a certain green or sprout or what > have you every single day if that's what you love. I'm sure not forcing > myself to make my smoothies with straight Kale or Mustard greens for > days on end waiting to get back to my beloved spinach. > > I really don't see this being a problem unless someone has a sensitivity > or is eating in an unbalanced way, like going for an extended period > eating nothing but smoothies made from spinach or alfalfa sprouts to the > exclusion of other foods. Then it would seem reasonable that you could > accumulate levels of toxins particular to that one plant that your body > could not excrete effectively enough and thus cause you an issue. And > really, it's never a good idea to eat excessive amounts of any food, > especially to the exclusion of all others. > > Again, do you have a link to any this literature that discusses the > alkaloids in sprouts that has you so concerned? I had only really heard > of alkaloids referred to in regard to " nightshade " veggies such as > potatoes, tomatoes, peppers, eggplant, etc. As we don't typically sprout > seeds of nightshade varieties, I wouldn't have thought alkaloids were a > concern with sprouts. Maybe that's a question for the actual > Sproutpeople, Gil and Lori... > > ~ > > > > > > > > Ah, so if I like to eat greens every day, I have to eat different > greens?/ Say for example, tonight I'm eating Bok Choy, then tomorrow I > can eat Escarole, and the next day I can eat collards and the next day I > can eat kale, and then I can go back to bok choy?? > > > > > > Is this right? > > > > > > Thanks, Mel > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 SOO just so you know I am NOT a fear monger! sheshh.. I dont WORRY at all as a matter of fact. I simply make a green smoothie with a different green daily.. so today was spinach, tomorrow will be kale, next day romaine lettuce .. next day spinach.... simple as that!  Patti ________________________________ To: sproutpeople Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 11:59 AM Subject: Re: Worry over alkaloids  , I really appreciate your comments on this. I trained myself over the years to not be motivated by fear and I've found that more dedicated I've gotten to living a fear-free-life, the more evident it has become that the entire world can't seem to function without inspiring fear in us on a daily basis. The pharmaceutical companies, the supplement companies, the food companies are all thinking that they can push you in the direction of their products by creating fear in you. I believe that people that report things such as; alkaloids, phytates, and such are well intentioned but often not so well informed. When you read or hear something alarming in the popular press most of the time the reporter is so poorly educated in science that he is reporting the opposite of the studies findings as the truth. Or a month later another study is going tell the opposite story. So I'm choosing to eat as many vegetables as I can and not worry about any of this other stuff. Lee > Daily rotating of greens sounds like more of a problem (neurosis, OCD) > than a solution. And like you say, it's not cost effective. I really > doubt there is any reason not to eat a certain green or sprout or what > have you every single day if that's what you love. I'm sure not forcing > myself to make my smoothies with straight Kale or Mustard greens for > days on end waiting to get back to my beloved spinach. > > I really don't see this being a problem unless someone has a sensitivity > or is eating in an unbalanced way, like going for an extended period > eating nothing but smoothies made from spinach or alfalfa sprouts to the > exclusion of other foods. Then it would seem reasonable that you could > accumulate levels of toxins particular to that one plant that your body > could not excrete effectively enough and thus cause you an issue. And > really, it's never a good idea to eat excessive amounts of any food, > especially to the exclusion of all others. > > Again, do you have a link to any this literature that discusses the > alkaloids in sprouts that has you so concerned? I had only really heard > of alkaloids referred to in regard to " nightshade " veggies such as > potatoes, tomatoes, peppers, eggplant, etc. As we don't typically sprout > seeds of nightshade varieties, I wouldn't have thought alkaloids were a > concern with sprouts. Maybe that's a question for the actual > Sproutpeople, Gil and Lori... > > ~ > > > > > > > > Ah, so if I like to eat greens every day, I have to eat different > greens?/ Say for example, tonight I'm eating Bok Choy, then tomorrow I > can eat Escarole, and the next day I can eat collards and the next day I > can eat kale, and then I can go back to bok choy?? > > > > > > Is this right? > > > > > > Thanks, Mel > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 omg that was great! HHAHAAHAHA ohhh yes.. that was a good laugh!! thanks!  Patti ________________________________ To: " sproutpeople " <sproutpeople > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 11:48 AM Subject: Re: Re: Worry over alkaloids  LOL, perfect! I love you two!! Sent from my iPad > Way ahead of you. I did the video this morning. Take a look and enjoy!! This is Alan's reaction to my doing anything with earthworms. > > > > Melody > > > > > TODAY(Beta) • Powered by Yahoo! > Danica suffers hardest wreck yet > The racer proves her toughness after a crash so violent that her car leaves the ground. > Privacy Policy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 My apologies, and Patti. That was more meant to be a crack to illustrate my viewpoint, not to cast aspersions on others. Sometimes, at nearly 2am, I think I'm funnier than I really am! No offense was meant, I promise. ^_~ I do have more to say about this, but I have a dental appointment shortly and need to get ready. I just felt the apology should come asap. , I would be very interested to learn more about what you have gone through. Genuine, confirmable data is what really seems to be missing from this theory for me thus far. ~ > > > > Daily rotating of greens sounds like more of a problem (neurosis, OCD) > > than a solution. And like you say, it's not cost effective. I really > > doubt there is any reason not to eat a certain green or sprout or what > > have you every single day if that's what you love. I'm sure not forcing > > myself to make my smoothies with straight Kale or Mustard greens for > > days on end waiting to get back to my beloved spinach. > > > > I really don't see this being a problem unless someone has a sensitivity > > or is eating in an unbalanced way, like going for an extended period > > eating nothing but smoothies made from spinach or alfalfa sprouts to the > > exclusion of other foods. Then it would seem reasonable that you could > > accumulate levels of toxins particular to that one plant that your body > > could not excrete effectively enough and thus cause you an issue. And > > really, it's never a good idea to eat excessive amounts of any food, > > especially to the exclusion of all others. > > > > Again, do you have a link to any this literature that discusses the > > alkaloids in sprouts that has you so concerned? I had only really heard > > of alkaloids referred to in regard to " nightshade " veggies such as > > potatoes, tomatoes, peppers, eggplant, etc. As we don't typically sprout > > seeds of nightshade varieties, I wouldn't have thought alkaloids were a > > concern with sprouts. Maybe that's a question for the actual > > Sproutpeople, Gil and Lori... > > > > ~ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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