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[Guest guest]

I do have one question... one that has haunted me since the beginning of

OCD.... is there a future for my daughter? Will she ever be able to hold down

a

job, get married, have children? Or will this haunt her forever? Does it

ease up as an adult? Has any one had this from a child, in a severe way, and

now is an adult that is functioning well? I would like to hear your thoughts

on this.

Cheri

[Guest guest]

I do have one question... one that has haunted me since the beginning of

OCD.... is there a future for my daughter? Will she ever be able to hold down

a

job, get married, have children? Or will this haunt her forever? Does it

ease up as an adult? Has any one had this from a child, in a severe way, and

now is an adult that is functioning well? I would like to hear your thoughts

on this.

Cheri

[Guest guest]

I do have one question... one that has haunted me since the beginning of

OCD.... is there a future for my daughter? Will she ever be able to hold down

a

job, get married, have children? Or will this haunt her forever? Does it

ease up as an adult? Has any one had this from a child, in a severe way, and

now is an adult that is functioning well? I would like to hear your thoughts

on this.

Cheri

[Guest guest]

HI Cheri:

We all ask this question, how much will OCD affect our beloved children.

My son, Steve, was 10 when we learned about his OCD. If we were more

knowledgeable we might have been able to spot it years earlier as many

of the parents on this list have been able to do.

Now Steve is 18 and it has been a very interesting journey. Sometimes,

as those on this list who know me can attest, it has been very hard with

despair threatening to triumph. Other times it is a very important

lesson on how the human spirit wins against pretty tough odds.

IMO OCD tends to persist with time, but the sufferer learns how to cope

the best way they can, often with tremendous personal dignity. Please

know that OCD is very treatable, and it waxes and wanes in severity

often without explanation. I have been very lucky to learn from my

adult buddies living with OCD about how they have been able to have

interesting and rewarding lives. Maybe not the lives their loving

parents would have hoped for them, but lives which are nevertheless full

of meaning and very interesting to them. Of course there is a measure

of suffering they learn to deal with.

I can remember when I wondered whether our son would ever go to school.

Now he is getting ready to graduate from high school! He has a lot of

plans to go to college and will be going to the prom later this month!

It is very easy to descend into despair and hopelessness when parenting

a child with OCD but that is a cruel trick the disorder plays on us.

What has helped me a lot is to celebrate all the things our son can do

in spite of his OCD and to admire him for what he can do in the face of

it all. In this, I believe Steve is typical of other kids with OCD.

I have met adults with OCD who are successful in their careers, who have

loving marriages and dear children. Good treatment makes a big

difference to our kids and how they will cope with life. The hard task

we have to complete is to live day by day and never give up hope that

our kids will have a meaningful life.

Sorry to ramble on, but this question is one I have often asked myself.

I am always surprised at how much better things have worked out than my

worst fears, but then I do suffer at times from GAD. :-)

Take care, aloha, Kathy (h)

kathy.hi@...

Re: question

I do have one question... one that has haunted me since the beginning of

OCD.... is there a future for my daughter? Will she ever be able to

hold down a

job, get married, have children? Or will this haunt her forever? Does

it

ease up as an adult? Has any one had this from a child, in a severe

way, and

now is an adult that is functioning well? I would like to hear your

thoughts

on this.

Cheri

[Guest guest]

HI Cheri:

We all ask this question, how much will OCD affect our beloved children.

My son, Steve, was 10 when we learned about his OCD. If we were more

knowledgeable we might have been able to spot it years earlier as many

of the parents on this list have been able to do.

Now Steve is 18 and it has been a very interesting journey. Sometimes,

as those on this list who know me can attest, it has been very hard with

despair threatening to triumph. Other times it is a very important

lesson on how the human spirit wins against pretty tough odds.

IMO OCD tends to persist with time, but the sufferer learns how to cope

the best way they can, often with tremendous personal dignity. Please

know that OCD is very treatable, and it waxes and wanes in severity

often without explanation. I have been very lucky to learn from my

adult buddies living with OCD about how they have been able to have

interesting and rewarding lives. Maybe not the lives their loving

parents would have hoped for them, but lives which are nevertheless full

of meaning and very interesting to them. Of course there is a measure

of suffering they learn to deal with.

I can remember when I wondered whether our son would ever go to school.

Now he is getting ready to graduate from high school! He has a lot of

plans to go to college and will be going to the prom later this month!

It is very easy to descend into despair and hopelessness when parenting

a child with OCD but that is a cruel trick the disorder plays on us.

What has helped me a lot is to celebrate all the things our son can do

in spite of his OCD and to admire him for what he can do in the face of

it all. In this, I believe Steve is typical of other kids with OCD.

I have met adults with OCD who are successful in their careers, who have

loving marriages and dear children. Good treatment makes a big

difference to our kids and how they will cope with life. The hard task

we have to complete is to live day by day and never give up hope that

our kids will have a meaningful life.

Sorry to ramble on, but this question is one I have often asked myself.

I am always surprised at how much better things have worked out than my

worst fears, but then I do suffer at times from GAD. :-)

Take care, aloha, Kathy (h)

kathy.hi@...

Re: question

I do have one question... one that has haunted me since the beginning of

OCD.... is there a future for my daughter? Will she ever be able to

hold down a

job, get married, have children? Or will this haunt her forever? Does

it

ease up as an adult? Has any one had this from a child, in a severe

way, and

now is an adult that is functioning well? I would like to hear your

thoughts

on this.

Cheri

[Guest guest]

HI Cheri:

We all ask this question, how much will OCD affect our beloved children.

My son, Steve, was 10 when we learned about his OCD. If we were more

knowledgeable we might have been able to spot it years earlier as many

of the parents on this list have been able to do.

Now Steve is 18 and it has been a very interesting journey. Sometimes,

as those on this list who know me can attest, it has been very hard with

despair threatening to triumph. Other times it is a very important

lesson on how the human spirit wins against pretty tough odds.

IMO OCD tends to persist with time, but the sufferer learns how to cope

the best way they can, often with tremendous personal dignity. Please

know that OCD is very treatable, and it waxes and wanes in severity

often without explanation. I have been very lucky to learn from my

adult buddies living with OCD about how they have been able to have

interesting and rewarding lives. Maybe not the lives their loving

parents would have hoped for them, but lives which are nevertheless full

of meaning and very interesting to them. Of course there is a measure

of suffering they learn to deal with.

I can remember when I wondered whether our son would ever go to school.

Now he is getting ready to graduate from high school! He has a lot of

plans to go to college and will be going to the prom later this month!

It is very easy to descend into despair and hopelessness when parenting

a child with OCD but that is a cruel trick the disorder plays on us.

What has helped me a lot is to celebrate all the things our son can do

in spite of his OCD and to admire him for what he can do in the face of

it all. In this, I believe Steve is typical of other kids with OCD.

I have met adults with OCD who are successful in their careers, who have

loving marriages and dear children. Good treatment makes a big

difference to our kids and how they will cope with life. The hard task

we have to complete is to live day by day and never give up hope that

our kids will have a meaningful life.

Sorry to ramble on, but this question is one I have often asked myself.

I am always surprised at how much better things have worked out than my

worst fears, but then I do suffer at times from GAD. :-)

Take care, aloha, Kathy (h)

kathy.hi@...

Re: question

I do have one question... one that has haunted me since the beginning of

OCD.... is there a future for my daughter? Will she ever be able to

hold down a

job, get married, have children? Or will this haunt her forever? Does

it

ease up as an adult? Has any one had this from a child, in a severe

way, and

now is an adult that is functioning well? I would like to hear your

thoughts

on this.

Cheri

[Guest guest]

My dd had severe OCD symptoms off and on starting at age 2. Puberty

was the worst, and she missed weeks of school. One time we had to

throw out a Christmas tree (a very nice one!) a week before

Christmas because it was 6 feet tall. She just couldn't tolerate

having it in the house--was afraid she would die. She couldn't walk

through doorways, had touching rituals, had numbers obsessions so

severe that almost no number was " safe " .

Today she is 18, a successful college student, and about to be

married (in less than two weeks!) to a young Marine who has just

returned from Iraq. They have known each other for years, and he

was her incentive back in ninth grade to get ready on time for

school (giving up lots of rituals) so he could give her a ride.

They are buying a house near his base. She did a lot of the

negotiations for the cost of the house and I must say got a great

deal! (This is the girl who couldn't stay in church if one of the

hymns numbers had a multiple of 3 in it). She has been off

medication for a couple of years.

Will she ever have trouble with OCD again? Very possibly. She

knows it can happen, and knows that times of hormone changes, such

as pregnancy and childbirth, may be difficult because of OCD. Right

now, she prefers to believe she is " cured " , (although there is still

one door at home that she won't walk through, and she sure uses up a

lot of toilet paper). However, the very minor symptoms she has now

do not interfere with life in general.

There was a time when I wondered if she would ever be able to leave

the house again...so there is real hope for you! It will get better!

> I do have one question... one that has haunted me since the

beginning of

> OCD.... is there a future for my daughter? Will she ever be able

to hold down a

> job, get married, have children? Or will this haunt her

forever? Does it

> ease up as an adult? Has any one had this from a child, in a

severe way, and

> now is an adult that is functioning well? I would like to hear

your thoughts

> on this.

>

> Cheri

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My dd had severe OCD symptoms off and on starting at age 2. Puberty

was the worst, and she missed weeks of school. One time we had to

throw out a Christmas tree (a very nice one!) a week before

Christmas because it was 6 feet tall. She just couldn't tolerate

having it in the house--was afraid she would die. She couldn't walk

through doorways, had touching rituals, had numbers obsessions so

severe that almost no number was " safe " .

Today she is 18, a successful college student, and about to be

married (in less than two weeks!) to a young Marine who has just

returned from Iraq. They have known each other for years, and he

was her incentive back in ninth grade to get ready on time for

school (giving up lots of rituals) so he could give her a ride.

They are buying a house near his base. She did a lot of the

negotiations for the cost of the house and I must say got a great

deal! (This is the girl who couldn't stay in church if one of the

hymns numbers had a multiple of 3 in it). She has been off

medication for a couple of years.

Will she ever have trouble with OCD again? Very possibly. She

knows it can happen, and knows that times of hormone changes, such

as pregnancy and childbirth, may be difficult because of OCD. Right

now, she prefers to believe she is " cured " , (although there is still

one door at home that she won't walk through, and she sure uses up a

lot of toilet paper). However, the very minor symptoms she has now

do not interfere with life in general.

There was a time when I wondered if she would ever be able to leave

the house again...so there is real hope for you! It will get better!

> I do have one question... one that has haunted me since the

beginning of

> OCD.... is there a future for my daughter? Will she ever be able

to hold down a

> job, get married, have children? Or will this haunt her

forever? Does it

> ease up as an adult? Has any one had this from a child, in a

severe way, and

> now is an adult that is functioning well? I would like to hear

your thoughts

> on this.

>

> Cheri

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, it's so good to hear how well your dd is doing. She's come

such a long way! I'm glad her fiance came back safe too. Between

Iraq, college and upcoming wedding, house hunting, etc., seems she

handling any type stress really well. Hope we all reach this point

as our kids grow up!

>

> Today she is 18, a successful college student, and about to be

> married (in less than two weeks!) to a young Marine who has just

> returned from Iraq. They have known each other for years, and he

> was her incentive back in ninth grade to get ready on time for

> school (giving up lots of rituals) so he could give her a ride.

> They are buying a house near his base. She did a lot of the

> negotiations for the cost of the house and I must say got a great

> deal! (This is the girl who couldn't stay in church if one of the

> hymns numbers had a multiple of 3 in it). She has been off

> medication for a couple of years.

[Guest guest]

, it's so good to hear how well your dd is doing. She's come

such a long way! I'm glad her fiance came back safe too. Between

Iraq, college and upcoming wedding, house hunting, etc., seems she

handling any type stress really well. Hope we all reach this point

as our kids grow up!

>

> Today she is 18, a successful college student, and about to be

> married (in less than two weeks!) to a young Marine who has just

> returned from Iraq. They have known each other for years, and he

> was her incentive back in ninth grade to get ready on time for

> school (giving up lots of rituals) so he could give her a ride.

> They are buying a house near his base. She did a lot of the

> negotiations for the cost of the house and I must say got a great

> deal! (This is the girl who couldn't stay in church if one of the

> hymns numbers had a multiple of 3 in it). She has been off

> medication for a couple of years.

[Guest guest]

Hi Cheri,

I've known about my son's OCD since he was 11. In retrospect, his

symptoms/behaviors were there from about age 5-6. At age 10-12, his

bad thought OCD was as extreme as I've heard (OCD without other

problems such as TS, AS, etc). My son is now 15-1/2 and is doing

great and has been for about two years. He is functioning in every

way as a teenager, doing well in both his education, sports, and

hobbies. We have used CBT and ERP. He takes inositol (no

prescription meds).

I know what you mean about worrying that she won't experience the

joys of life. From our experiences, I have very high hopes and

expectations for my truly delightful 15yo son:)

Regards,

in Georgia

> I do have one question... one that has haunted me since the

beginning of

> OCD.... is there a future for my daughter? Will she ever be able

to hold down a

> job, get married, have children? Or will this haunt her forever?

Does it

> ease up as an adult? Has any one had this from a child, in a

severe way, and

> now is an adult that is functioning well? I would like to hear

your thoughts

> on this.

>

> Cheri

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Cheri,

I've known about my son's OCD since he was 11. In retrospect, his

symptoms/behaviors were there from about age 5-6. At age 10-12, his

bad thought OCD was as extreme as I've heard (OCD without other

problems such as TS, AS, etc). My son is now 15-1/2 and is doing

great and has been for about two years. He is functioning in every

way as a teenager, doing well in both his education, sports, and

hobbies. We have used CBT and ERP. He takes inositol (no

prescription meds).

I know what you mean about worrying that she won't experience the

joys of life. From our experiences, I have very high hopes and

expectations for my truly delightful 15yo son:)

Regards,

in Georgia

> I do have one question... one that has haunted me since the

beginning of

> OCD.... is there a future for my daughter? Will she ever be able

to hold down a

> job, get married, have children? Or will this haunt her forever?

Does it

> ease up as an adult? Has any one had this from a child, in a

severe way, and

> now is an adult that is functioning well? I would like to hear

your thoughts

> on this.

>

> Cheri

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Cheri. I know you have already received many replies to your question

but I wanted to add one more. I have OCD as do both of my girls. My youngest

one was diagnosed at seven and two years later my oldest one was diagnosed at

eleven. They are eleven and fourteen now. Both take medication and both go to

therapy and are doing well. I was not diagnosed until my oldest daughter was

so I did not have the benefit of treatment as a kid. I am getting treatment

now and am so grateful that my daughters were diagnosed when they were! I am

positive that they will be able to lead normal, happy lives and I am sure that

they will always have OCD. Your situation is frustrating, I know, and I

don't think you have had the best information until this time. I might be

mistaken but did you say that you were on your third therapist? You need to

find a

therapist who is experienced in ERP therapy. Once you find the right

therapist, your daughter will begin to make progress. I also agree that your

doctor

did not give the different medications time to work. The meds can take up to

twelve weeks to reach full effectiveness and if your doctor was switching meds

monthly, the medication could not have had time to really work. I am glad that

you are reading about OCD--there are some great books out there. I have been

married for sixteen years and work as a substitute teacher. I am the leader

of two Girl Scout troops, mentoring a total of thirty-five girls. I have

raised two beautiful daughters. I plan to continue receiving treatment for my

OCD

but consider my life to be good and happy. Your daughter will have that too

and so will you. Kelley in NV

[Guest guest]

Hi Cheri, one thing to keep in mind, is that effective treatment for OCD is

a rather new thing. There just aren't too many adults with OCD today, who

had the benefits our children are having of effective therapy and/or

medication while young. Our kids will be the first cohort of adults

accurately assessed, diagnosed, and treated--and so spared the effects of

developing and maturing through their childhoods with the full burden of

untreated OCD to contend with.

Despite this, there are many adults with OCD who hold satisfying jobs, are

married and have children, and are successful in most areas of life. How

much better will life be for our kids who have had diagnostic and treatment

advantages early? I believe this effect will be profound.

It probably isn't realistic to count on OCD easing up in adulthood, though

that can happen. But with proper treatment and effective therapy, many OCD

kids are able to reduce the disorder to a nuisance-level problem, and gain

control over it so that it does not interfere with their lives in any

significant way.

Kathy R. in Indiana

----- Original Message -----

From: <FlyWithMyBirds@...

> I do have one question... one that has haunted me since the beginning of

> OCD.... is there a future for my daughter? Will she ever be able to hold

> down a

> job, get married, have children? Or will this haunt her forever? Does

> it

> ease up as an adult? Has any one had this from a child, in a severe way,

> and

> now is an adult that is functioning well? I would like to hear your

> thoughts

> on this.

>

> Cheri

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

That is a valid point... OCD treatment is new. So again this gives me hope

that things will be better for this generation.

Cheri

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

That is a valid point... OCD treatment is new. So again this gives me hope

that things will be better for this generation.

Cheri

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

That is a valid point... OCD treatment is new. So again this gives me hope

that things will be better for this generation.

Cheri

[Guest guest]

Hi ie

An ultrasound cannot tell if you do or do not have

hep, that is only found in a blood test. The ultra

sound looks for structure of the liver and if there

are any lesions or tumors that are obvious.

I also had an ultrasound a couple of weeks ago and

while it said my liver looked normal,it also came with

a note that said that Ultrasounds are NOT the best way

to look for liver cancer.

I dont know if I answered your question or not, but

just keep asking if I didnt and someone will come

along and be able to tell you more..

and welcome to the group!

jax

--- ie wrote:

>

> hey everyone, i just recently went to a digestive

> care consultant in

> my area and they decided to do an ultrasound on my

> liver..everything

> came back ok..does this mean i still have Hep C or

> it could be a false

> positive? any help would be great

>

>

>

>

Jackie

[Guest guest]

I would bet its ok.....No fuzzy...just fizzy..that's A ok.....Yuppers, the

scobys can give you a scare from time to time....bottle and enjoy...ron and

vivian in leander tx

[Guest guest]

SOMETIME IT WILL LOOK LIKE THAT IF YOU USE GREEN TEA

Question

Hi all! I am relatively new to the group and have been reading lots.

I just got my first SCOBY a week ago and have had it fermenting for 6

days. I tasted it today and it tastes great to me, however, there is a

spot of kind of " slimyish " greenish brown on it. Is this OK? It

doesn't look fuzzy or hairy like I would think of mold looking and I

have looked at pictures of mold and it doesn't look like those, I just

want to be sure before my family consumes it! Thanks is advance! T

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[Guest guest]

>

>Hi all! I am relatively new to the group and have been reading lots.

>I just got my first SCOBY a week ago and have had it fermenting for 6

>days. I tasted it today and it tastes great to me, however, there is a

>spot of kind of " slimyish " greenish brown on it. Is this OK? It

>doesn't look fuzzy or hairy like I would think of mold looking and I

>have looked at pictures of mold and it doesn't look like those, I just

>want to be sure before my family consumes it! Thanks is advance! T

It's just normal bits of yeast growth, very normal and can appear in any KT

fermentation. At times it can become quite pronounced. All very

normal. I tend to drink the yeastie bits, but my partner filters through a

bamboo tea strainer before drinking.

--V

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

>

>Hi all! I am relatively new to the group and have been reading lots.

>I just got my first SCOBY a week ago and have had it fermenting for 6

>days. I tasted it today and it tastes great to me, however, there is a

>spot of kind of " slimyish " greenish brown on it. Is this OK? It

>doesn't look fuzzy or hairy like I would think of mold looking and I

>have looked at pictures of mold and it doesn't look like those, I just

>want to be sure before my family consumes it! Thanks is advance! T

It's just normal bits of yeast growth, very normal and can appear in any KT

fermentation. At times it can become quite pronounced. All very

normal. I tend to drink the yeastie bits, but my partner filters through a

bamboo tea strainer before drinking.

--V

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/16/2007 5:18:37 P.M. Central Standard Time,

chpeter30096@... writes:

maltitol

This is what I found about maltitol...Think I will pass....I like my

kombucha just like it is...ron and vivian in leander tx

_http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/nutrition/a/maltitol.htm_

(http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/nutrition/a/maltitol.htm)

[Guest guest]

I hate to waste even one of my

> scobies? What a weird name. Where did that name come

> from anyway?

ann I think it comes from scoby = Symbiotic Culture Of Bacteria

and Yeast. Symbiotic meaning something like harmonious.

Don't hit me if I'm wrong! )

Sandy

[Guest guest]

>My question is: Has anyone ever tried maltitol as a

>growth medium with the tea? If not I'll try it and

>let all of you know. I hate to waste even one of my

>scobies?

Maltitol is not a sugar, it is a sugar alcohol. Sugar alcohols will not

work to brew kombucha, as they have no free glucose. I did do a small

experiment with xylitol (also a sugar alcohol) once, before I understood

about the glucose. It did ferment at first, but it didn't really taste

like kombucha and didn't perpetuate, it died out. I suspect the only reason

it worked at all was the starter liquid had some glucose in it. Anyway,

artificial sweeteners of any kind, and the sugar alcohols, are not correct

for kombucha.

btw, I did some research on maltitol (me too, Ron!), and found a link to a

chart comparing the various sugar alcohols. If you are interested in a

sugar alcohol sweetener (also called polyols), you may be much better off

with xylitol. Maltitol has a glycemic index almost as high as sugar, so

it's not much of an

improvement. http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/whattoeat/a/sugaralcohols.htm

--V

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste