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I mixed some in peanut butter, helps a little.

I was just thinking about valerian to help with Allie getting " stuck "

in a thought. Anyone have any suggestions on that?

Debi

> It sounds like a few of you refer to using cod liver oil as a stim

> stopper...Am I understanding that correctly? I use hempseed oil for

the

> omegas.....but we still have lots of stimming. What brand of cod

liver oil do you use?

> Angie (mom of caleb)....oh and how do you get them to eat it

without spitting

> it out like my did?

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> It sounds like a few of you refer to using cod liver oil as a stim

> stopper...Am I understanding that correctly? I use hempseed oil for

the

> omegas.....but we still have lots of stimming.

What are the stims?

Dana

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Stimming is self-stimulation. Things like rocking, flicking fingers,

etc. I think what you're describing is more echolalia. I don't know

a specific supplement but someone else may.

>

> IS stimming when a child mimics a character on tv? What about when a

> child says a sentence, then repeats the sentence silently to himself.

> IS that a sign of vit a deficiency, yeast, or all of the above? What

> should I give him? I give him nystatin currently, gse, probio (3

> billion cfus), garlic, clo (one tsp)..what to add/delete?

>

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The saying a sentence and repeating it silently or at a reduced volume was

one of the criteria that my son met when evaluated for his new dx of

psychotic-NOS (he fits all schizophrenia requirements and if it weren't for

the fact he's only 5, he'd get that on his DX). The term used for the

behavior you described is echolalia. HTH.

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Deut 11:14 He will put grass in the fields for your cattle, and you will

have plenty to eat.

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IS stimming when a child mimics a character on tv? What about when a

child says a sentence, then repeats the sentence silently to himself.

IS that a sign of vit a deficiency, yeast, or all of the above? What

should I give him? I give him nystatin currently, gse, probio (3

billion cfus), garlic, clo (one tsp)..what to add/delete?

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> > IS stimming when a child mimics a character on tv? What about when a

> > child says a sentence, then repeats the sentence silently to himself.

> > IS that a sign of vit a deficiency, yeast, or all of the above? What

> > should I give him? I give him nystatin currently, gse, probio (3

> > billion cfus), garlic, clo (one tsp)..what to add/delete?

> >

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A visual stim. Vision therapy may help, or Vit A therapy. Look in the

files.

Barb

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>> > should I give him? I give him nystatin currently, gse, probio (3

>> > billion cfus), garlic, clo (one tsp)..what to add/delete?

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For us, visual stims are tied to yeast.

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when a

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> >> > billion cfus), garlic, clo (one tsp)..what to add/delete?

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> IS stimming when a child mimics a character on tv? What about when a

> child says a sentence, then repeats the sentence silently to himself.

These sound like echolalia, or what we call " scripting " at my house.

B12, TMG, and anti-virals have been very helpful for my son for this

issue.

Dana

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> >ok, great info. How about when a child takes an object, like a toy

> car, and brings it close to his eyes and follows it with his eyes. you

> know what I mean? what can help this, and what is this called?

For my son, this was a visual stim, which was his 100% favorite stim

and he did it all the time for more than 7 years. I wrote on this

page what he needed to eliminate it

http://www.danasview.net/issues.htm

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In a message dated 11/30/2005 4:09:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jenin98@... writes:

IS stimming when a child mimics a character on tv? What about when a

child says a sentence, then repeats the sentence silently to himself.

IS that a sign of vit a deficiency, yeast, or all of the above? What

should I give him? I give him nystatin currently, gse, probio (3

billion cfus), garlic, clo (one tsp)..what to add/delete?

My son is a verbal stimmer. He acts out movies, video games out loud all of

the time. He either makes up his own stories or recites scripts from the

movies or video games.

I see it as him thinking out loud. He doesn't know how to keep it in his

brain. Whatever is going on in his brain, he is verbally expressing it.

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>wow! That is exactly what my son does.

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> In a message dated 11/30/2005 4:09:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> jenin98@h... writes:

>

> IS stimming when a child mimics a character on tv? What about when a

> child says a sentence, then repeats the sentence silently to himself.

> IS that a sign of vit a deficiency, yeast, or all of the above? What

> should I give him? I give him nystatin currently, gse, probio (3

> billion cfus), garlic, clo (one tsp)..what to add/delete?

>

>

>

> My son is a verbal stimmer. He acts out movies, video games out

loud all of

> the time. He either makes up his own stories or recites scripts

from the

> movies or video games.

> I see it as him thinking out loud. He doesn't know how to keep it

in his

> brain. Whatever is going on in his brain, he is verbally expressing it.

>

> Vicki 's Mommy HFA/Mercury Poisoned Almost 9! 12-29-96

>

>

>

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That description fits my almost 9 yr old to a t.

Elaine B

> My son is a verbal stimmer. He acts out movies, video games out

loud all of

> the time. He either makes up his own stories or recites scripts

from the

> movies or video games.

> I see it as him thinking out loud. He doesn't know how to keep it

in his

> brain. Whatever is going on in his brain, he is verbally expressing it.

>

> Vicki 's Mommy HFA/Mercury Poisoned Almost 9! 12-29-96

>

>

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Some appear to focus on movies because they're predictable (same thing happens

every time) unlike real life.

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That description fits my almost 9 yr old to a t.<BR>

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Elaine B<BR>

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> My son is a verbal stimmer. He acts out movies, video games  out<BR>

loud all of <BR>

> the time. He either makes up his own stories or recites scripts <BR>

from the <BR>

> movies or video games.<BR>

> I see it as him thinking out loud. He doesn't know how to keep it <BR>

in his <BR>

> brain. Whatever is going on in his brain, he is verbally expressing  it.<BR>

>  <BR>

> Vicki 's Mommy HFA/Mercury Poisoned Almost 9!  12-29-96<BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

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> My ds who is 5, has AS and ODD, now he is scratching his head all

of the time,

> we are very new to this and I am not sure if anyone else has seen

this. I asked

> him why, he said the bugs were crawling on his head......now I

don't know if this

> is a " stim " (like biting his fingernails and pulling his nose) or

what...any

> input would be helpful...

>

> Kim

>

>

For several years now, Jake has been " picking " at the skin on his

legs. It started with a few mosquito bites; he's allergic. Problem

is, he NEVER left them alone. They progressed to sores, scabs, scabs

torn off, to scars. After it has scarred, he will start picking at it

again till it's another sore. He constantly has blood on his leg.

When anyone, even me, says anything to him about it he becomes quite

angry. I have tried using neosporin and bandaids, he tears them off.

I have tried keeping Lanacane on them to keep away the itching,

nothing works.

Since he started his new meds after a 10 day hospital stay, this

behavior has diminished considerably, his legs are almost healed.

To answer your question, these things seem more of a compulsive

behavior than stemming. Hope this helps.

Theresa

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Mine picks the sores on his arms. He can get a mosquito bite, and he will

pick it until it scars. He doesn't pick the scars unless they stick up. He

will stop if I ask, he doesn't realize he does it when he is doing it. His

arms look like those kids on meth, unfortunately. He dad is the same, a

picker of anything on his arms & hands. They don't ever have a sore that

heals w/o a scar. I keep meaning to get some of that scar stuff for my

son's arms to see if it will look better. He is 13, so I can't imagine what

they will look like as he gets older. Picking drives me nuts too, I can't

stand either to pick around me!!

Kathy K

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Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 11:33 AM

Subject: ( ) Re: " stimming "

>

> My ds who is 5, has AS and ODD, now he is scratching his head all

of the time,

> we are very new to this and I am not sure if anyone else has seen

this. I asked

> him why, he said the bugs were crawling on his head......now I

don't know if this

> is a " stim " (like biting his fingernails and pulling his nose) or

what...any

> input would be helpful...

>

> Kim

>

>

For several years now, Jake has been " picking " at the skin on his

legs. It started with a few mosquito bites; he's allergic. Problem

is, he NEVER left them alone. They progressed to sores, scabs, scabs

torn off, to scars. After it has scarred, he will start picking at it

again till it's another sore. He constantly has blood on his leg.

When anyone, even me, says anything to him about it he becomes quite

angry. I have tried using neosporin and bandaids, he tears them off.

I have tried keeping Lanacane on them to keep away the itching,

nothing works.

Since he started his new meds after a 10 day hospital stay, this

behavior has diminished considerably, his legs are almost healed.

To answer your question, these things seem more of a compulsive

behavior than stemming. Hope this helps.

Theresa

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On Aug 16, 2006, at 2:09 PM, kim hibbs wrote:

> Okay...is this part of the AS?? is really not picking

> anything, but scratching

> his head as if " bugs " are crawling on it.......(do i need to tell

> his Dr.?)...

> any advice is helpful

My 12 yo does this. He rubs his scalp. He likes to sprinkle salt in

his hair

and rub it, as a sensory thing, I guess. It's a " joke " every time we

go to a restaurant

that he reaches for the salt shaker and smiles at me. I always tell

him no, also with a smile.

Jackie

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> Okay...is this part of the AS?? is really not picking anything,

but scratching

> his head as if " bugs " are crawling on it.......(do i need to tell

his Dr.?)...

> any advice is helpful

>

I do believe it is AS related. I think that it is either sensory

related, or obsessive/compulsive. It could be either one, but

definately AS related.

Theresa

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Well, I guess I won't worry about it too much.....unless he hurts himself....I

guess

I'll always question the things he does until I get used to it....

kim

Jackie Geipel <jackie@...> wrote:

On Aug 16, 2006, at 2:09 PM, kim hibbs wrote:

> Okay...is this part of the AS?? is really not picking

> anything, but scratching

> his head as if " bugs " are crawling on it.......(do i need to tell

> his Dr.?)...

> any advice is helpful

My 12 yo does this. He rubs his scalp. He likes to sprinkle salt in

his hair

and rub it, as a sensory thing, I guess. It's a " joke " every time we

go to a restaurant

that he reaches for the salt shaker and smiles at me. I always tell

him no, also with a smile.

Jackie

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I can say, even at almost 37 I do things that drive my husband nuts.

I will play with a 'small' something and turn it into a big sore. I

haven't done it in a long time, because I try to make sure that I

don't. Then I will pulling my hair out. (Not yanking, just running

my hands through my hair, and gently pulling so I would have TONS of

loose strands in my hands. I even ended up with an area where my

hair was really thinning out.

For me, I think it was stressw and a little compulsive. I now put my

hair up if I start doing it. If I want to scratch my head, I now

comb it. NOT scratching but combing, maybe a little hard but not

bad. My hair looks much better, and I feel good, and no 'boo boo's'

all over my head!!

Hope that helps.

>

> My ds who is 5, has AS and ODD, now he is scratching his head all

of the time,

> we are very new to this and I am not sure if anyone else has

seen this. I asked

> him why, he said the bugs were crawling on his head......now I

don't know if this

> is a " stim " (like biting his fingernails and pulling his nose)

or what...any

> input would be helpful...

>

> Kim

>

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One thought I had was about medications. My 6 1/2 yr old AS/ADHD is

on Metadate & Clonidine. We recently added Welbutrin for her

anxiety, but she started seeing flies buzzing around.

Literally....seeing. The psychiatrist she just got into (finally!)

said that all 3 drugs are ritalin based and that she was

hallucinating. He said that she really does " see " them. Needless to

say...we are changing her meds around. Just wondering if he is on

any meds and whether these could be a cause.

April

> >

> > Okay...is this part of the AS?? is really not picking

anything,

> but scratching

> > his head as if " bugs " are crawling on it.......(do i need to

tell

> his Dr.?)...

> > any advice is helpful

> >

>

>

> I do believe it is AS related. I think that it is either sensory

> related, or obsessive/compulsive. It could be either one, but

> definately AS related.

>

> Theresa

>

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My son who is now 22 used to pick at his sores/bites, etc.He always

had deep gashes on his hands that never healed. This really bothered

me(he was not diagnoed until age 14)because his hands looked so bad

and I didn't know about AS or stimming.

I believe it is stimming. The good news is that he stopped doing this

on his own when he entered high school. He now has white scars but

they don't stand out as much as they are fading.

The bad news is that he now pulls his eyebrows out. He has about 1/4

of a left eyebrow and 3/4 of a right eyebrow. I have tried to talk to

him about it and he says he does it when he's reading or on the

computer because it " feels good " . Our therapist said that for some

reason the " pulling out " of the hair causes a certain sensation that

they like. I have finally started leaving him alone about it even

though I know it makes him look even more different. He says he

doesn't care about what other people think so I leave him alone.

Just a note to let you know that this phase might pass as it did with

my son. At first he pulled his eyelashes also. That completely

grossed me out. I definitely put a stop to THAT because it made him

look like a space alien.

I also scratch my head when I am upset or worried and it has become a

bad habit that I am trying to break. I have a whole book on it

called " Skin Deep " . It explains why people pick at their skin or

scratch and ways to help-both physically and mentally. I got it on

Amazon. It was good to read because it has a lot of case studies that

let me know me and my son are not the only ones who do it.

I think their is an online store that sells things to keep your hands

occupied so that you will not scratch. You might try trimming his

nails really really short. I have tried that and it works because you

can't scratch-your fingers feel too wierd. But then I let them grow

again because again, the scratching relieves my stress and my brain

knows this and so finds numerous excuses for me not to trim my nails.

Hope this helps.

-- In , " disorderlybehavior "

<disorderlybehavior@...> wrote:

>

>

> >

> > My ds who is 5, has AS and ODD, now he is scratching his head all

> of the time,

> > we are very new to this and I am not sure if anyone else has

seen

> this. I asked

> > him why, he said the bugs were crawling on his head......now I

> don't know if this

> > is a " stim " (like biting his fingernails and pulling his nose)

or

> what...any

> > input would be helpful...

> >

> > Kim

> >

> >

>

>

> For several years now, Jake has been " picking " at the skin on his

> legs. It started with a few mosquito bites; he's allergic. Problem

> is, he NEVER left them alone. They progressed to sores, scabs,

scabs

> torn off, to scars. After it has scarred, he will start picking at

it

> again till it's another sore. He constantly has blood on his leg.

> When anyone, even me, says anything to him about it he becomes

quite

> angry. I have tried using neosporin and bandaids, he tears them

off.

> I have tried keeping Lanacane on them to keep away the itching,

> nothing works.

> Since he started his new meds after a 10 day hospital stay, this

> behavior has diminished considerably, his legs are almost healed.

> To answer your question, these things seem more of a compulsive

> behavior than stemming. Hope this helps.

>

> Theresa

>

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Yeah thats what I thought, the Dr. hasn't put him on any meds yet...he wants to

wait

until he is at least 6.....(i think thats a good thing) of course we haven't

started

school yet, but he will be 6 in Jan.

thanks

kim

April Broussard <aprilbroussard@...> wrote:

One thought I had was about medications. My 6 1/2 yr old AS/ADHD is

on Metadate & Clonidine. We recently added Welbutrin for her

anxiety, but she started seeing flies buzzing around.

Literally....seeing. The psychiatrist she just got into (finally!)

said that all 3 drugs are ritalin based and that she was

hallucinating. He said that she really does " see " them. Needless to

say...we are changing her meds around. Just wondering if he is on

any meds and whether these could be a cause.

April

> >

> > Okay...is this part of the AS?? is really not picking

anything,

> but scratching

> > his head as if " bugs " are crawling on it.......(do i need to

tell

> his Dr.?)...

> > any advice is helpful

> >

>

>

> I do believe it is AS related. I think that it is either sensory

> related, or obsessive/compulsive. It could be either one, but

> definately AS related.

>

> Theresa

>

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I am wondering if he is on any medication? Shampoo? Just some thoughts

disorderlybehavior <disorderlybehavior@...> wrote:

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> Okay...is this part of the AS?? is really not picking anything,

but scratching

> his head as if " bugs " are crawling on it.......(do i need to tell

his Dr.?)...

> any advice is helpful

>

I do believe it is AS related. I think that it is either sensory

related, or obsessive/compulsive. It could be either one, but

definately AS related.

Theresa

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> What is stimming? Is stimming like making weird noises and pretending

> like if he is singing? What supplements, nutrients do you recommend

> for stimming? Is it also true that B6 helps control tantrums? I

> strongly appreciate your help on these questions.

Those behaviors can be stims. There are many different things that

can be a stim. I have eliminated all my son's stims, and he had a

LOT, and it took different supplements for each one. So, if you list

your child's stims, I might be able to let you know what worked for my

son, if he had those stims.

Dana

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