stimming

[Guest guest]

> Dear Listmates:

>

> Just reading all the post in regards to stimming and I just have to

> ask. Does anyone have a child that twist the front bang area of

their

> hair? My son does it non-stop. Sometimes he'll stop for about 75%

> of the time, and wham it's back. It drives me crazy. He also, takes

> a little skip and a hop and a swinging motion with his hands every

> once in awhile upon rising after sitting.

>

> Help!

>

> Dianna

[Guest guest]

> Anyone else's kiddo stimming a lot?

No but I am.

> For my son, all other behaviors

> are excellent, in fact, he keeps getting better and better, but the

> stimming at home has increased I believe because of all the holiday

> excitement.

That can do it, all the extra stuff going on, transitions all over the

place, excitement, overstimulation, unexpected surprises, things

occurring which are not typical, etc.

> War talk also really excites him, too (just like a guy,

> I guess).

Altho not technically a " war " , currently our country is engaged in a

" police action " which I am sure your son knows about. That can be

scary, especially if he has seen any footage of the destruction, plus

he would know that the action also caused destruction here in US as

well as overseas.

> It intrigues me how both highly phenolic food and

external

> stimuli can result in stimming. Any thoughts on this?

Phenols make my body ache and hard to focus my thoughts. I use stims

to reduce aches/pains and to help focus. External stuff for me is

basically what I indicated above, and stims are for basically the same

reasons, reduction of stress and help with focus. Especially if I

have to pay attention at school, I will " let it all out " at home, for

various reasons.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> Anyone else's kiddo stimming a lot? For my son, all other

behaviors

> are excellent, in fact, he keeps getting better and better, but the

> stimming at home has increased I believe because of all the holiday

> excitement. War talk also really excites him, too (just like a

guy,

> I guess). It intrigues me how both highly phenolic food and

external

> stimuli can result in stimming. Any thoughts on this?

>

>

,

My son is stimming a ton too. I think there are a couple different

reasons. He feels better from the enzymes. It is an extremely

stimulating time of year. I was at the mall today and I felt really

overwhelmed, so how can I expect my son not to. Plus, we are all so

worked up with shopping and the war, our kids definately feed on

that. I think we just have to wait it out. I do not notice a

difference when my son has phenols. He can't stomach apples or

oranges, but I do not notice any behavioral changes-just belly pain

and diarrhea. This to shall pass.

Chris

[Guest guest]

Hi . Nick HAS been doing lots more visual stimming lately. We

had to take away his ABC puzzle, and numbers puzzle or he would hold

the pieces in his hand and gaze at them lovingly!! He is very

motivated by letters and numbers. Like yours though, he continues to

improve week by week in all areas across the board. No regression

noted at all other than this stimming. Imaginative play and

imitation of his sister at play in particular are just exploding. So

is expressive speech - up to 60 spontaneous words and starting to put

two together. He looks like a normal two year old now when he plays.

(except if he catches sight of letters or numbers!) I think he will

read before he speaks in full sentences sometimes!

mom to 2.11 autistic and Kaylie Ann 5 yrs NT

Note: Nick is also more hyper than before, but I don't mind this.

Seems to want to experience everything in the world and moves at high

speed in a great mood. A far cry from a year ago, when he was almost

two, and played only lying prone on the floor, with strange objects

and very little interaction with anyone or with toys except little

cars.

[Guest guest]

> mom to 2.11 autistic and Kaylie Ann 5 yrs NT

> Note: Nick is also more hyper than before, but I don't mind this.

> Seems to want to experience everything in the world and moves at

high

> speed in a great mood

Gosh, , sounds like your little Nick is turning into an EXTREMELY

normal 2yo in that area!!! I'm so happy for you.

Lea

[Guest guest]

and others,

I feel much better about this now. My huband usually takes my son to

his once a week Tae-Kwon-Do class, but tonight I took him. I did not

see any stimming at all. This used to be a problem for him there,

but his focus was super tonight. He is able to control it in public

now, so we try to let it go at home as long as it does not disturb

anyone. The increase at home has been noticeable lately, but after

seeing how well he did in class tonight, I am very pleased with his

self-control.

> > Anyone else's kiddo stimming a lot? For my son, all other

> behaviors

> > are excellent, in fact, he keeps getting better and better, but

the

> > stimming at home has increased I believe because of all the

holiday

> > excitement. War talk also really excites him, too (just like a

> guy,

> > I guess). It intrigues me how both highly phenolic food and

> external

> > stimuli can result in stimming. Any thoughts on this?

> >

> >

> ,

> My son is stimming a ton too. I think there are a couple different

> reasons. He feels better from the enzymes. It is an extremely

> stimulating time of year. I was at the mall today and I felt

really

> overwhelmed, so how can I expect my son not to. Plus, we are all

so

> worked up with shopping and the war, our kids definately feed on

> that. I think we just have to wait it out. I do not notice a

> difference when my son has phenols. He can't stomach apples or

> oranges, but I do not notice any behavioral changes-just belly pain

> and diarrhea. This to shall pass.

> Chris

[Guest guest]

My daughter went through this also and as I recall it was the worst

(stimming) around the 2nd/3rd week on the enzymes. It tapered off for

us and then one day I realized how little she does it anymore. We

also had a problem with her picking her lower lip until it would

bleed and I just commented to my husband the other day how she had

completely stoppe this. I think it is hard for others(your mom) to

understand everything. We are the ones spending all of our free time

reading any information we can get our hands on and trying things

just hoping something works. I go through the same thing, believe me.

Hang in there! I have alot of believers now!!!!

katherine

> My son has been on gfcf diet and enzymes (Houston's) for just over

two weeks

> now, along with clo, garlic, vit.c, flax seed oil, calcium,

magnesium. He

> has always stimmed, but it has gotten to the point where he's

stimming all

> the time. It's gotten so bad I have to take his blankets out of

his bed for

> nap time. He'll sit in there and just stim on the blanket. He's

never done

> this before. My mother is not for me having him on the diet and

when she

> sees him stimming worse, she blames the diet.

>

>

> Diane

[Guest guest]

> My son has been on gfcf diet and enzymes (Houston's) for just over

two weeks

> now, along with clo, garlic, vit.c, flax seed oil, calcium,

magnesium.

My son was extra stimmy with CLO and flax seed oil. You might want to

consider removing the supplements one at a time and see if any of them

are contributing to the stimming problem.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Very rarely, and I mean very rarely, like the first time on the airplane,

or if something really isn't going his way, Bradley will kind of rock,

and bang his head. The back of his head. I make him stop banging his

head and explained concussions and brain injuries LOL!! (always works

best with him if there is a scientific explanation) so he almost never does

it.

But - it kind of sinched the deal for me - hand flapping and head banging.

signs of Asperger's - or being on the autism spectrum - however you want

to put it. Although my Mom and I are very close, she really wants to

believe

that he is fine. He isn't as bad as most kids with or without disorders -

and it is more of a behavioral issue. His incessant talking and questions

and rigidity (is that a word?) so - anyway, now I'm rambling.

Kathy- My brother-in-law sits with his legs crossed (like a lady, not indian

style) and swings his top foot - when my sister asked him why he did it,

he said . . . . . . it feels good. It was squeezing the tip of the uh, you

know,

his um, . . . . . . " unit " . LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, because you wrote that he has done it since puberty, it uh, kind of

crossed my mind. ?!?!?!! Just a thought. hahahahaha

Dawn

>

> <<<<<< He does wipe his mouth on his shirt an awful lot,

> even when he doesn't have anything on his face. Right on the front of

> his shirt. I think it is a stim.>>

>

> a stim, or a tic- my ds does it too sinec he stopped flapping.

> F

Fania,

I don't have any hand flappers here. Never have. never seemed to stim.

But since he hit puberty, he rocks back and forth in his chair a lot.

Braden is always rubbing things on his lips - at school he likes to press

erasers or the sides of scissors against his lips. At home it's combs. If

nothing else is available, he uses his fingers.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

> Kathy- My brother-in-law sits with his legs crossed (like a lady,

not indian

>

> style) and swings his top foot - when my sister asked him why he

did it,

> he said . . . . . . it feels good. It was squeezing the tip of the

uh, you

> know,

> his um, . . . . . . " unit " . LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

> So, because you wrote that he has done it since puberty, it uh,

kind of

> crossed my mind. ?!?!?!! Just a thought. hahahahaha

> Dawn

Hahahahahahahaha!!! Maybe...but I don't think I'll ask him!!

Kathy

[Guest guest]

rotflmbo!!!!

MISSY

SAHM to some special kids!!!

Excuse Me While I Go

Raise Tomorrow's Future.

Re: ( ) stimming

> Kathy- My brother-in-law sits with his legs crossed (like a lady,

not indian

>

> style) and swings his top foot - when my sister asked him why he

did it,

> he said . . . . . . it feels good. It was squeezing the tip of the

uh, you

> know,

> his um, . . . . . . " unit " . LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

> So, because you wrote that he has done it since puberty, it uh,

kind of

> crossed my mind. ?!?!?!! Just a thought. hahahahaha

> Dawn

Hahahahahahahaha!!! Maybe...but I don't think I'll ask him!!

Kathy

[Guest guest]

He isn't as bad as most kids with or without disorders -

> and it is more of a behavioral issue. His incessant talking and

questions

> and rigidity (is that a word?) so - anyway, now I'm rambling.

That's my oldest. No flapping. Although he does some less obvious

stuff that might be stim-like. Mostly he never stops talking and

displays rigidity(word in my book!). And since Jan has extreme fits

of rage, tears, etc. Has ZERO social skills too.

> Kathy- My brother-in-law sits with his legs crossed (like a lady,

not indian

> style) and swings his top foot - when my sister asked him why he

did it,

> he said . . . . . . it feels good. It was squeezing the tip of the

uh, you

> know,

> his um, . . . . . . " unit " . LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

> So, because you wrote that he has done it since puberty, it uh,

kind of

> crossed my mind. ?!?!?!! Just a thought. hahahahaha

Wowza! My ex sits like that. I don't recall about the swinging part

though. And Hunter sits w/ his legs crossed like that. I figured it

was genetics as Dad wasn't around for it to have been observed.

Hmm..interesting.

a

>

> >removed]

[Guest guest]

Ok, I can see it now, everytime I see a guy sitting with his legs crossed, I

will be thinking, Is it possible? Get it out, get it out! (Hitting head with

fist). ROTFLMAO Barb

Missy Feldhaus <itchy10@...> wrote:

rotflmbo!!!!

MISSY

SAHM to some special kids!!!

Excuse Me While I Go

Raise Tomorrow's Future.

Re: ( ) stimming

> Kathy- My brother-in-law sits with his legs crossed (like a lady,

not indian

>

> style) and swings his top foot - when my sister asked him why he

did it,

> he said . . . . . . it feels good. It was squeezing the tip of the

uh, you

> know,

> his um, . . . . . . " unit " . LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

> So, because you wrote that he has done it since puberty, it uh,

kind of

> crossed my mind. ?!?!?!! Just a thought. hahahahaha

> Dawn

Hahahahahahahaha!!! Maybe...but I don't think I'll ask him!!

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Okay,

You all made my day. Barb, you made me laugh out loud.

The kids are wondering why I am laughing so hard. And

I sure can't tell them! LOL1 That is just too funny.

I'll never get that image out of my head!

Melinda

--- Barbara A Trice <barb2743@...> wrote:

> Ok, I can see it now, everytime I see a guy sitting

> with his legs crossed, I will be thinking, Is it

> possible? Get it out, get it out! (Hitting head

> with fist). ROTFLMAO Barb

>

>

>

>

> Missy Feldhaus <itchy10@...> wrote:

> rotflmbo!!!!

> MISSY

> SAHM to some special kids!!!

>

> Excuse Me While I Go

> Raise Tomorrow's Future.

> Re: ( ) stimming

>

>

>

> > Kathy- My brother-in-law sits with his legs

> crossed (like a lady,

> not indian

> >

> > style) and swings his top foot - when my sister

> asked him why he

> did it,

> > he said . . . . . . it feels good. It was

> squeezing the tip of the

> uh, you

> > know,

> > his um, . . . . . . " unit " . LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > So, because you wrote that he has done it since

> puberty, it uh,

> kind of

> > crossed my mind. ?!?!?!! Just a thought.

> hahahahaha

> > Dawn

>

>

> Hahahahahahahaha!!! Maybe...but I don't think

> I'll ask him!!

>

> Kathy

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Some people have found that supplementing zinc helped with chewing issues (with

us it has reduced the problem, but not done away with it).

Dagmar.

[ ] stimming

We have just finished round 10 of DMSA. My 4 yr old son has better

language, he's happy, he's now sleeping all night, he's eating good

again (GF/CF) has totally normal bowel movements again. Here's the

problem. He is stimming so bad that he can no longer focus in ABA

therapy at home or school. He is doing a vocal stim. He shouts as he

puts his hands to his mouth and moves them around really fast. His

pointer fingers are swollen to twice the size because he keeps doing

this and putting them between his teeth. I don't know if you would

call this a vocal stim or just an oral stim. He is putting everything

in his mouth. Chewing on his shirts, buttons, etc... He did this when

he was around 2, but it got better. In the last two weeks it is

becoming a MAJOR problem. I don't think he has a yeast issue. We have

had in the past I do not suspect it now. No giggling, no messy

stools, etc... Any ideas? Thanks for any help. Carolyn

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[Guest guest]

Others have posted that supplementing magnesium helped.

S

>

Some people have found that supplementing zinc helped with chewing issues (with

us it has reduced the problem, but not done away with it).<BR>

<BR>

Dagmar.<BR>

  [ ] stimming<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

  We have just finished round 10 of DMSA. My 4 yr old son has better <BR>

  language, he's happy, he's now sleeping all night, he's eating good <BR>

  again (GF/CF) has totally normal bowel movements again. Here's the <BR>

  problem. He is stimming so bad that he can no longer focus in ABA <BR>

  therapy at home or school. He is doing a vocal stim. He shouts as he <BR>

  puts his hands to his mouth and moves them around really fast. His <BR>

  pointer fingers are swollen to twice the size because he keeps doing <BR>

  this and putting them between his teeth. I don't know if you would <BR>

  call this a vocal stim or just an oral stim. He is putting everything <BR>

  in his mouth. Chewing on his shirts, buttons, etc... He did this when <BR>

  he was around 2, but it got better. In the last two weeks it is <BR>

  becoming a MAJOR problem. I don't think he has a yeast issue. We have <BR>

  had in the past I do not suspect it now. No giggling, no messy <BR>

  stools, etc... Any ideas? Thanks for any help. Carolyn<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

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[Guest guest]

I don't really know the mechanism - so PLEASE make your own educated

decision - but when my son started doing that out of the blue I gave

him some homeopathic teething tablets (he's 3, and at first I

thought he was getting a new tooth in!) and they stopped the

stimming. I have no idea why it worked - may just have been

coincidence, but it did...

AMK

> We have just finished round 10 of DMSA. My 4 yr old son has better

> language, he's happy, he's now sleeping all night, he's eating

good

> again (GF/CF) has totally normal bowel movements again. Here's the

> problem. He is stimming so bad that he can no longer focus in ABA

> therapy at home or school. He is doing a vocal stim. He shouts as

he

> puts his hands to his mouth and moves them around really fast. His

> pointer fingers are swollen to twice the size because he keeps

doing

> this and putting them between his teeth. I don't know if you would

> call this a vocal stim or just an oral stim. He is putting

everything

> in his mouth. Chewing on his shirts, buttons, etc... He did this

when

> he was around 2, but it got better. In the last two weeks it is

> becoming a MAJOR problem. I don't think he has a yeast issue. We

have

> had in the past I do not suspect it now. No giggling, no messy

> stools, etc... Any ideas? Thanks for any help. Carolyn

[Guest guest]

> call this a vocal stim or just an oral stim. He is putting everything

> in his mouth. Chewing on his shirts, buttons, etc... He did this when

> he was around 2, but it got better. In the last two weeks it is

> becoming a MAJOR problem. I don't think he has a yeast issue. We have

> had in the past I do not suspect it now. No giggling, no messy

> stools, etc... Any ideas?

For my #3, this would mean he was eating a food or supplement he did

not tolerate, or he had a yeast issue. For my kids, yeast for #2 is

giggling etc. Yeast for #3 is oral behaviors.

Some kids do better with oral stims when you add zinc.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Homeopathics (liquid) typically contain either alcohol (grain so probably not

gluten-free) or lactose (so not casein-free) in the pellets. FWIW

S

From: amkgoldie [mailto: amkgoldie@...]

Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:22:37 -0000

Subject: [ ] Re: stimming

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I don't really know the mechanism - so PLEASE make your own educated <BR>

decision - but when my son started doing that out of the blue I gave <BR>

him some homeopathic teething tablets (he's 3, and at first I <BR>

thought he was getting a new tooth in!) and they stopped the <BR>

stimming.  I have no idea why it worked - may just have been <BR>

coincidence, but it did...<BR>

AMK<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

> We have just finished round 10 of DMSA. My 4 yr old son has better <BR>

> language, he's happy, he's now sleeping all night, he's eating <BR>

good <BR>

> again (GF/CF) has totally normal bowel movements again. Here's the <BR>

> problem. He is stimming so bad that he can no longer focus in ABA <BR>

> therapy at home or school. He is doing a vocal stim. He shouts as <BR>

he <BR>

> puts his hands to his mouth and moves them around really fast. His <BR>

> pointer fingers are swollen to twice the size because he keeps <BR>

doing <BR>

> this and putting them between his teeth. I don't know if you would <BR>

> call this a vocal stim or just an oral stim. He is putting <BR>

everything <BR>

> in his mouth. Chewing on his shirts, buttons, etc... He did this <BR>

when <BR>

> he was around 2, but it got better. In the last two weeks it is <BR>

> becoming a MAJOR problem. I don't think he has a yeast issue. We <BR>

have <BR>

> had in the past I do not suspect it now. No giggling, no messy <BR>

> stools, etc... Any ideas? Thanks for any help. Carolyn<BR>

<BR>

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[Guest guest]

Becky,

I am very curious as to why Dr G would suggest Tenex. here's

why...Dr G suggested we try tenex based on one thing....and that is

Jack was very " visually distracted when in the Kindergarten

classroom " ...this according to his pre-school teacher. (Our Early

Childhood teacher takes my son and another girl to the kindergarten

class for an activity each day....amazing but true.)

Anyway I agreed to try it, and we are truly impressed with all of

the DEVELOPMENT we are seeing. He has not only calmed down a bit

(he was never hyper, but somehow Tenex took the edge off for him),

but he has grown up.

We started with one dose (1/8 tablet) each day and just a few days

ago increased to 2 doses of 1/8 tablet.

HTH

>

>

>

> Hi all,

>

> My son has been with Dr. G for over 18 mos now.

> He's now 4 years, 3 mos old.

> Amazing gains in speech & language, minor gains in social skills,

alertness. Bowel issues mostly resolved............

>

> BUT...................

>

> He is running back and forth flapping more and more and more

and it is just driving me insane. He pretty much only does it at

home, I suppose for a boredom/stress release thing. He knows that

it is socially " inaproppriate " and rarely does it in public, only

when he's feeling really lousy. He just has this ever-increasing

need for proprioceptive input. I've tried every OT trick in the

book....joint compression, brushing, alternative sensory exercises

(suggesting jumping instead, etc.) None of it makes one iota of

difference.

>

> It's just getting out of control. He NEVER used to be this

flappy. It started increasing about 7 mos ago. It's to the point

that he's spending a good percentage of his time at home just

running in circles. It's the one thing left that really makes him

stand out as " woah, that kid has something going on " .... Dr. g.

suggested we start Tenex but he's not generally hyper with a high

energy level, just stimmy, and like I said, he was never this bad

before. I've rotated everything he ingests in/out of his very

limited diet, nothing seems to correlate. Maybe it's one of the many

meds he's on? I just don't know.

>

> Any suggestions? Anyone with the same problem? (please say

yes) He's wearing a path in my carpet.

> And wearing on my mental health......

>

>

> Becky

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> My daughter's stimming is getting out of control at times. I'm sure

> there's a connection to foods/supplements but haven't been able to

> really piece it all together even with tracking

> food/supplements/behaviors, etc. Her stimming consists of turning

> her head side to side, arms waving (not hand flapping) and if her

> legs are straight she tenses them.

The tense legs sounds like maybe she needs magnesium or potassium.

The other two give me vague indications of yeast or virus.

> Her focus has really diminished in the last couple months and her

> brain is constantly going. She really is doing very well.

Diminished focus can be quite a few things. Brain constantly going,

for one of my kids, was too much B vitamins.

Dana

[Guest guest]

I also wanted to add that she has big muscle grading issues. If

anyone has ideas, even if not related to food or supplements I would

appreciate them. I know she has retained reflexes we need to work on

(the new therapy we started is not targeting these like thought it

was supposed to).

Thanks

Becky

>

> My daughter's stimming is getting out of control at times. I'm

sure

> there's a connection to foods/supplements but haven't been able to

> really piece it all together even with tracking

> food/supplements/behaviors, etc. Her stimming consists of turning

> her head side to side, arms waving (not hand flapping) and if her

> legs are straight she tenses them. Some of the arm movements have

> gotten a lot more jerky. She has also started a really tense

> breathing in the last couple months. Over the last 6 months she

has

> added singing to this. Tonight it took 30 min to play a 15 min

game

> because she had to stim and sing (makes up songs) about every move

> she made in the game. When I got a little more stern about her

> taking her turn she stopped and told me " I'm just singing for a

> minute " (kind of stern/snotty back to me). I know she has control

> over this. She would stim in school last year. I believe she does

> it very little in school this year but has been doing it a lot at

> home. Has anyone else seen this kind of stimming? And what kind

of

> food/supplement changes helped? She's 4 and I've really seen her

> change from autistic characteristics to ADD in the last 6 months.

> Her focus has really diminished in the last couple months and her

> brain is constantly going. She really is doing very well.

> Thanks

> Becky

[Guest guest]

TLP- The Listening Programme solved both of these for Sam.

_www.advancedbrain.com_ (http://www.advancedbrain.com)

HTH

Mandi in UK

Another question from me today...oddly two in one day (smile), what types of

things (therapies, methods, etc) have any parents tried for decreasing

stims? Humming, fingertips on ears....thanks.

[Guest guest]

> Another question from me today...oddly two in one day (smile), what

types of things (therapies, methods, etc) have any parents tried for

decreasing stims? Humming, fingertips on ears....thanks.

Those were yeast symptoms for my son

http://www.danasview.net/yeast.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

Sounds like possible reactions to auditory hypersensitivity to me.

S

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> Another question from me today...oddly two in one day (smile), what<BR>

types of things (therapies, methods, etc) have any parents tried for<BR>

decreasing stims?  Humming, fingertips on ears....thanks.<BR>

<BR>

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