Re: Safety and effectiveness of Cutler protocol

[Guest guest]

Listmates, thanks!

, I have Movicol at home. I just realised that because of acidosis from Betain his gut can be very irritated. Is it safe to use Movicol or Oxipowder having inflamation in the gut? Son's constant hunger goes down with OoO these days but he still wants to eat lot of carbs. I have problem starting SCD because then he will stick to meat which is not healthy, too. No vegetables can satisfty him, he looses that small weight that he has and becomes irritable.

Thanks everyone, again.

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 4:25 PMSubject: Re: Safety and effectiveness of Cutler protocol

,I think is right here, if your child's gut is in such a poor state as described, then you need to get this sorted first, otherwise you are going to have lots of problems with whatever you do IMHO...i would look to Vicky's as a good example of this, his gut was in a very bad way, but Vicky has worked hard at healing this and only started chelation when she felt his body (and gut) could handle it and he is doing really well on chelation now...Also, i would have serious doubts about staying with a practitioner who allowed this situation to continue for so long, without considering the status of your childs gut...Nikki > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > >> > > > > > We started Andy Cutler protocol two years ago. We introduced> > supplementing protocol and candida grew till sky immediately. We stepped> > back, increased antifungals, then continued protocol, and made these> > back and forth steps several times since then. Because of candida, we've> > faced a lot of regression, mainly behavioural,

no progress in skills.> > Our son stopped enjoying playground, scooter, pool. We didn't take him> > to vocation although three years ago we did. Now he becomes excausted> > after being few minutes active outside.> > > > > > Is this all what we've reached during two years? Yes.> > > > > > I keep asking people and they tell me that this is supposed to> > improve after a year or two of chelation. But nothing from what we have> > now gives me a hint that it will. I follow protocol carefully, but see> > only candida.> > > > > > I am worried that considering how much of yeast we've provocked> > in his body his regression is forever. He used to be silly and sweet,> > now he is silly and angry, that's all difference. I am very much affraid> > that I will never get my boy back.> > > > >

> Are there any parents who faced the same regression following> > Cutler protocol? I guess the main problem with it is that supplementing> > vitamins causes so much yeast that it looks like it will never be gone.> > Did anyone had such a long and severe regress, and then, progress?> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------> > > > DISCLAIMER> > No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Oxypowder is much less toxic than movicol and much more gentle on the colon.. I tried it out on my husband who has IBS and oxypowder worked well without side effects.Have you tried food combining.. ie ensuring you are not mixing carbs with animal protein... just that my daughter used to be able to eat us under the table and was always hungry and craving carbs ...until we started a diet approach that Scotson suggested.. simple carbs such as oats with oat milk and stevia for breakfast.. a small amount of either oily fish or meat at lunch with all veg except potatoes.. and an evening meal of NO dairy and NO animal protein but carbs such as basmati rice or spelt pasta with a selection of vegetables... within a few days her hunger was under control .. and her sleep and anxiety levels began to improve too.

Just a thought...  candex along side oxypowder is good... also consider adding a little diatomaceous earth as this will cleanse the colon and help with inflammation and constipation of colon.

I think that until his colon is cleaner, it is really hard to actually identify what supps would make the most difference.. other listmates have suggested slow additions of supps and I support this... keeping a detailed food and mood diary helped to identify potential supps which created more problems... and we soon were able to get a good approach to safe foods and supps... Also have you considered muscle testing to see what foods and supps agree with your son?  There are some really good U tube films on muscle testing... This for us has been our most effective measure of tolerances.. and was really important as many intolerances were combinations of things rather than a single thing..

]]Best WishesTraceyBest Wishes

Tracey

 

Listmates, thanks!

, I have Movicol at home. I just realised that because of acidosis from Betain his gut can be very irritated. Is it safe to use Movicol or Oxipowder having inflamation in the gut? Son's constant hunger goes down with OoO these days but he still wants to eat lot of carbs. I have problem starting SCD because then he will stick to meat which is not healthy, too. No vegetables can satisfty him, he looses that small weight that he has and becomes irritable. 

Thanks everyone, again. 

 

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 4:25 PM

Subject: Re: Safety and effectiveness of Cutler protocol

 

,I think is right here, if your child's gut is in such a poor state as described, then you need to get this sorted first, otherwise you are going to have lots of problems with whatever you do IMHO...

i would look to Vicky's as a good example of this, his gut was in a very bad way, but Vicky has worked hard at healing this and only started chelation when she felt his body (and gut) could handle it and he is doing really well on chelation now...

Also, i would have serious doubts about staying with a practitioner who allowed this situation to continue for so long, without considering the status of your childs gut...Nikki > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > >> > > > > > We started Andy Cutler protocol two years ago. We introduced

> > supplementing protocol and candida grew till sky immediately. We stepped> > back, increased antifungals, then continued protocol, and made these> > back and forth steps several times since then. Because of candida, we've

> > faced a lot of regression, mainly behavioural,

no progress in skills.> > Our son stopped enjoying playground, scooter, pool. We didn't take him> > to vocation although three years ago we did. Now he becomes excausted> > after being few minutes active outside.

> > > > > > Is this all what we've reached during two years? Yes.> > > > > > I keep asking people and they tell me that this is supposed to> > improve after a year or two of chelation. But nothing from what we have

> > now gives me a hint that it will. I follow protocol carefully, but see> > only candida.> > > > > > I am worried that considering how much of yeast we've provocked> > in his body his regression is forever. He used to be silly and sweet,

> > now he is silly and angry, that's all difference. I am very much affraid> > that I will never get my boy back.> > > > >

> Are there any parents who faced the same regression following> > Cutler protocol? I guess the main problem with it is that supplementing> > vitamins causes so much yeast that it looks like it will never be gone.

> > Did anyone had such a long and severe regress, and then, progress?> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------> > > > DISCLAIMER> > No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

My son has lots of problems, he is 17. He has lots of gut problems . What I

found that was useful ...coconut oil...for cooking, baking...you can buy from

the health food shop.It contains caprylic acid if I am not wrong and my son is

not allergic,so it is good for him.I use regulary probiotics .I can not use Oxy

powder ,it is contradicting anti seizure medication.Movicol is very strong stuff

so I never used it despite dr recommended.

Organic Smooth MOve tea..is also good stuff but it wasn't safe to use for us

because my son has seizures.(www.TraditionalMiedicinals.com

Lactulose is ok for clearance ,gentle and lots of dietary adjustments absolutely

must.Following advice of the members of this valuable list,there are some

improvements in the last couple of months.NO longer I am using any laxatives.He

is fine.I give meat only lunch time ,dinner may be light chicken soup, or fish

with vegetables.Meat is only mince meat type not big chunk.I control

carbo.intake, I spread it during the day..include home made biscuits..simply

controlling his carbohydrate food is absolute, because it treiggers candida type

of behaviour or increase ammonia perhaps...I also focus on liquid intake.He

doesn't drink water on its own, so I mix it with some fruit juice..He is on the

least supplements so far..It seems to be he look in a good form whatever the

reason.His gut looks ok but I know this is fragile state.I also eliminated the

foods he showed high sensitivity in the blood test, I think this made a

significant improvement.It's a shame I can not use eggs any more and I try to

give foods rotatively.

Healing the gut is a very very hard thing if child has bacterias,

parasities..gut flora possibly badly affected.We are still far away that he is

having a healthy one but I notice some improvements, that's why I decided to

write.

Hope your child feels better.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We started Andy Cutler protocol two years ago. We introduced

> > > supplementing protocol and candida grew till sky immediately. We stepped

> > > back, increased antifungals, then continued protocol, and made these

> > > back and forth steps several times since then. Because of candida, we've

> > > faced a lot of regression, mainly behavioural, no progress in skills.

> > > Our son stopped enjoying playground, scooter, pool. We didn't take him

> > > to vocation although three years ago we did. Now he becomes excausted

> > > after being few minutes active outside.

> > > > > > > Is this all what we've reached during two years? Yes.

> > > > > > > I keep asking people and they tell me that this is supposed to

> > > improve after a year or two of chelation. But nothing from what we have

> > > now gives me a hint that it will. I follow protocol carefully, but see

> > > only candida.

> > > > > > > I am worried that considering how much of yeast we've provocked

> > > in his body his regression is forever. He used to be silly and sweet,

> > > now he is silly and angry, that's all difference. I am very much affraid

> > > that I will never get my boy back.

> > > > > > > Are there any parents who faced the same regression following

> > > Cutler protocol? I guess the main problem with it is that supplementing

> > > vitamins causes so much yeast that it looks like it will never be gone.

> > > Did anyone had such a long and severe regress, and then, progress?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > > DISCLAIMER

> > > No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical

advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

practitioner.

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Tracey,

We tried to eat carbs separately from protein in past. It made him hypoglemic and irritable right away. Also, he cannot eat small amount of food,ie if I give him meat, it should be really a lot because as I wrote vegetables won't satisfy him. He can eat up to 250gr of meat at once, and this makes me concerned. Only adding a big portion of carbs satiates him. He has really bad gut...

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 8:10 PMSubject: Re: Re: Safety and effectiveness of Cutler protocol

Hi

Oxypowder is much less toxic than movicol and much more gentle on the colon.. I tried it out on my husband who has IBS and oxypowder worked well without side effects.

Have you tried food combining.. ie ensuring you are not mixing carbs with animal protein... just that my daughter used to be able to eat us under the table and was always hungry and craving carbs ...until we started a diet approach that Scotson suggested.. simple carbs such as oats with oat milk and stevia for breakfast.. a small amount of either oily fish or meat at lunch with all veg except potatoes.. and an evening meal of NO dairy and NO animal protein but carbs such as basmati rice or spelt pasta with a selection of vegetables... within a few days her hunger was under control .. and her sleep and anxiety levels began to improve too.

Just a thought... candex along side oxypowder is good... also consider adding a little diatomaceous earth as this will cleanse the colon and help with inflammation and constipation of colon.

I think that until his colon is cleaner, it is really hard to actually identify what supps would make the most difference.. other listmates have suggested slow additions of supps and I support this... keeping a detailed food and mood diary helped to identify potential supps which created more problems... and we soon were able to get a good approach to safe foods and supps... Also have you considered muscle testing to see what foods and supps agree with your son? There are some really good U tube films on muscle testing... This for us has been our most effective measure of tolerances.. and was really important as many intolerances were combinations of things rather than a single thing..

]]

Best Wishes

Tracey

Best Wishes

Tracey

Listmates, thanks!

, I have Movicol at home. I just realised that because of acidosis from Betain his gut can be very irritated. Is it safe to use Movicol or Oxipowder having inflamation in the gut? Son's constant hunger goes down with OoO these days but he still wants to eat lot of carbs. I have problem starting SCD because then he will stick to meat which is not healthy, too. No vegetables can satisfty him, he looses that small weight that he has and becomes irritable.

Thanks everyone, again.

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 4:25 PMSubject: Re: Safety and effectiveness of Cutler protocol

,I think is right here, if your child's gut is in such a poor state as described, then you need to get this sorted first, otherwise you are going to have lots of problems with whatever you do IMHO...i would look to Vicky's as a good example of this, his gut was in a very bad way, but Vicky has worked hard at healing this and only started chelation when she felt his body (and gut) could handle it and he is doing really well on chelation now...Also, i would have serious doubts about staying with a practitioner who allowed this situation to continue for so long, without considering the status of your childs gut...Nikki > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > >> > > > > > We started Andy Cutler protocol two years ago. We introduced> > supplementing protocol and candida grew till sky immediately. We stepped> > back, increased antifungals, then continued protocol, and made these> > back and forth steps several times since then. Because of candida, we've> > faced a lot of regression, mainly behavioural,

no progress in skills.> > Our son stopped enjoying playground, scooter, pool. We didn't take him> > to vocation although three years ago we did. Now he becomes excausted> > after being few minutes active outside.> > > > > > Is this all what we've reached during two years? Yes.> > > > > > I keep asking people and they tell me that this is supposed to> > improve after a year or two of chelation. But nothing from what we have> > now gives me a hint that it will. I follow protocol carefully, but see> > only candida.> > > > > > I am worried that considering how much of yeast we've provocked> > in his body his regression is forever. He used to be silly and sweet,> > now he is silly and angry, that's all difference. I am very much affraid> > that I will never get my boy back.> > > > >

> Are there any parents who faced the same regression following> > Cutler protocol? I guess the main problem with it is that supplementing> > vitamins causes so much yeast that it looks like it will never be gone.> > Did anyone had such a long and severe regress, and then, progress?> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------> > > > DISCLAIMER> > No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.> >

[Guest guest]

I found Movicol gave my son a distended belly and high doses for clearout caused

pain.

Margaret

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We started Andy Cutler protocol two years ago. We introduced

> > > supplementing protocol and candida grew till sky immediately. We stepped

> > > back, increased antifungals, then continued protocol, and made these

> > > back and forth steps several times since then. Because of candida, we've

> > > faced a lot of regression, mainly behavioural, no progress in skills.

> > > Our son stopped enjoying playground, scooter, pool. We didn't take him

> > > to vocation although three years ago we did. Now he becomes excausted

> > > after being few minutes active outside.

> > > > > > > Is this all what we've reached during two years? Yes.

> > > > > > > I keep asking people and they tell me that this is supposed to

> > > improve after a year or two of chelation. But nothing from what we have

> > > now gives me a hint that it will. I follow protocol carefully, but see

> > > only candida.

> > > > > > > I am worried that considering how much of yeast we've provocked

> > > in his body his regression is forever. He used to be silly and sweet,

> > > now he is silly and angry, that's all difference. I am very much affraid

> > > that I will never get my boy back.

> > > > > > > Are there any parents who faced the same regression following

> > > Cutler protocol? I guess the main problem with it is that supplementing

> > > vitamins causes so much yeast that it looks like it will never be gone.

> > > Did anyone had such a long and severe regress, and then, progress?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > > DISCLAIMER

> > > No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical

advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

practitioner.

> > >

[Guest guest]

Margaret, listmates write that Oxi Powder is a more gentle option.

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 9:52 PMSubject: Re: Safety and effectiveness of Cutler protocol

I found Movicol gave my son a distended belly and high doses for clearout caused pain.Margaret> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > We started Andy Cutler protocol two years ago. We introduced> > > supplementing protocol and candida grew till sky immediately. We stepped> > > back, increased antifungals, then continued protocol, and made these> > > back and forth steps several times since then. Because of candida, we've> > > faced a lot of regression, mainly behavioural, no progress in skills.> > > Our son stopped enjoying playground, scooter, pool. We didn't take him> > > to vocation although three years ago we did. Now he becomes excausted> > > after being few minutes active outside.> > > > > > > Is this all what we've reached during two years? Yes.> > > > > > > I keep asking people and they tell me that this is supposed

to> > > improve after a year or two of chelation. But nothing from what we have> > > now gives me a hint that it will. I follow protocol carefully, but see> > > only candida.> > > > > > > I am worried that considering how much of yeast we've provocked> > > in his body his regression is forever. He used to be silly and sweet,> > > now he is silly and angry, that's all difference. I am very much affraid> > > that I will never get my boy back.> > > > > > > Are there any parents who faced the same regression following> > > Cutler protocol? I guess the main problem with it is that supplementing> > > vitamins causes so much yeast that it looks like it will never be gone.> > > Did anyone had such a long and severe regress, and then, progress?> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------> > > > > > DISCLAIMER> > > No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.> > >

[Guest guest]

,

I would consider using soups if possible. Home made chicken broths can help

heal the gut and are easily digested. I make vegetable soup that is pureed,

which is also easier to digest. I would see about increasing fats. For kids

who can digest them (be sure your enzymes have enough lipase) the extra fats

(coconut, butter, organic pastured animal fats) can be very helpful for healing

and provide much needed calories. Cholestrol is necessary for healing too, so

if your son tolerates eggs, try to give him as many egg yolks as you can. One

of the things that helped my son gain weight was strawberry icecream: lots of

cream, strawberries, honey, and egg yolks.

Anita

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We started Andy Cutler protocol two years ago. We introduced

> > > supplementing protocol and candida grew till sky immediately. We stepped

> > > back, increased antifungals, then continued protocol, and made these

> > > back and forth steps several times since then. Because of candida, we've

> > > faced a lot of regression, mainly behavioural, no progress in skills.

> > > Our son stopped enjoying playground, scooter, pool. We didn't take him

> > > to vocation although three years ago we did. Now he becomes excausted

> > > after being few minutes active outside.

> > > > > > > Is this all what we've reached during two years? Yes.

> > > > > > > I keep asking people and they tell me that this is supposed to

> > > improve after a year or two of chelation. But nothing from what we have

> > > now gives me a hint that it will. I follow protocol carefully, but see

> > > only candida.

> > > > > > > I am worried that considering how much of yeast we've provocked

> > > in his body his regression is forever. He used to be silly and sweet,

> > > now he is silly and angry, that's all difference. I am very much affraid

> > > that I will never get my boy back.

> > > > > > > Are there any parents who faced the same regression following

> > > Cutler protocol? I guess the main problem with it is that supplementing

> > > vitamins causes so much yeast that it looks like it will never be gone.

> > > Did anyone had such a long and severe regress, and then, progress?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > > DISCLAIMER

> > > No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical

advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

practitioner.

> > >

[Guest guest]

What is the right amount for Vit A? I gave this amount for ages and now give

5000iu every morning as well as CLO

Kirsty

X

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > >

> > > > > We started Andy Cutler protocol two years ago. We introduced

> supplementing protocol and candida grew till sky immediately. We stepped

> back, increased antifungals, then continued protocol, and made these

> back and forth steps several times since then. Because of candida, we've

> faced a lot of regression, mainly behavioural, no progress in skills.

> Our son stopped enjoying playground, scooter, pool. We didn't take him

> to vocation although three years ago we did. Now he becomes excausted

> after being few minutes active outside.

> > > > > Is this all what we've reached during two years? Yes.

> > > > > I keep asking people and they tell me that this is supposed to

> improve after a year or two of chelation. But nothing from what we have

> now gives me a hint that it will. I follow protocol carefully, but see

> only candida.

> > > > > I am worried that considering how much of yeast we've provocked

> in his body his regression is forever. He used to be silly and sweet,

> now he is silly and angry, that's all difference. I am very much affraid

> that I will never get my boy back.

> > > > > Are there any parents who faced the same regression following

> Cutler protocol? I guess the main problem with it is that supplementing

> vitamins causes so much yeast that it looks like it will never be gone.

> Did anyone had such a long and severe regress, and then, progress?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

What is the right amount for Vit A? I gave this amount for ages and now give

5000iu every morning as well as CLO

Kirsty

X

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > >

> > > > > We started Andy Cutler protocol two years ago. We introduced

> supplementing protocol and candida grew till sky immediately. We stepped

> back, increased antifungals, then continued protocol, and made these

> back and forth steps several times since then. Because of candida, we've

> faced a lot of regression, mainly behavioural, no progress in skills.

> Our son stopped enjoying playground, scooter, pool. We didn't take him

> to vocation although three years ago we did. Now he becomes excausted

> after being few minutes active outside.

> > > > > Is this all what we've reached during two years? Yes.

> > > > > I keep asking people and they tell me that this is supposed to

> improve after a year or two of chelation. But nothing from what we have

> now gives me a hint that it will. I follow protocol carefully, but see

> only candida.

> > > > > I am worried that considering how much of yeast we've provocked

> in his body his regression is forever. He used to be silly and sweet,

> now he is silly and angry, that's all difference. I am very much affraid

> that I will never get my boy back.

> > > > > Are there any parents who faced the same regression following

> Cutler protocol? I guess the main problem with it is that supplementing

> vitamins causes so much yeast that it looks like it will never be gone.

> Did anyone had such a long and severe regress, and then, progress?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately Oxypowder didn't really work for him either. We were told to give

him lemon juice with it - but I couldn't manage to get him to take it.

Had more success with prune juice, senna for when obviously constipated. But I

only used these occasionally and never together.

Margaret

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We started Andy Cutler protocol two years ago. We introduced

> > > > supplementing protocol and candida grew till sky immediately. We stepped

> > > > back, increased antifungals, then continued protocol, and made these

> > > > back and forth steps several times since then. Because of candida, we've

> > > > faced a lot of regression, mainly behavioural, no progress in skills.

> > > > Our son stopped enjoying playground, scooter, pool. We didn't take him

> > > > to vocation although three years ago we did. Now he becomes excausted

> > > > after being few minutes active outside.

> > > > > > > > Is this all what we've reached during two years? Yes.

> > > > > > > > I keep asking people and they tell me that this is supposed to

> > > > improve after a year or two of chelation. But nothing from what we have

> > > > now gives me a hint that it will. I follow protocol carefully, but see

> > > > only candida.

> > > > > > > > I am worried that considering how much of yeast we've provocked

> > > > in his body his regression is forever. He used to be silly and sweet,

> > > > now he is silly and angry, that's all difference. I am very much affraid

> > > > that I will never get my boy back.

> > > > > > > > Are there any parents who faced the same regression following

> > > > Cutler protocol? I guess the main problem with it is that supplementing

> > > > vitamins causes so much yeast that it looks like it will never be gone.

> > > > Did anyone had such a long and severe regress, and then, progress?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > > DISCLAIMER

> > > > No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical

advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

practitioner.

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately Oxypowder didn't really work for him either. We were told to give

him lemon juice with it - but I couldn't manage to get him to take it.

Had more success with prune juice, senna for when obviously constipated. But I

only used these occasionally and never together.

Margaret

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We started Andy Cutler protocol two years ago. We introduced

> > > > supplementing protocol and candida grew till sky immediately. We stepped

> > > > back, increased antifungals, then continued protocol, and made these

> > > > back and forth steps several times since then. Because of candida, we've

> > > > faced a lot of regression, mainly behavioural, no progress in skills.

> > > > Our son stopped enjoying playground, scooter, pool. We didn't take him

> > > > to vocation although three years ago we did. Now he becomes excausted

> > > > after being few minutes active outside.

> > > > > > > > Is this all what we've reached during two years? Yes.

> > > > > > > > I keep asking people and they tell me that this is supposed to

> > > > improve after a year or two of chelation. But nothing from what we have

> > > > now gives me a hint that it will. I follow protocol carefully, but see

> > > > only candida.

> > > > > > > > I am worried that considering how much of yeast we've provocked

> > > > in his body his regression is forever. He used to be silly and sweet,

> > > > now he is silly and angry, that's all difference. I am very much affraid

> > > > that I will never get my boy back.

> > > > > > > > Are there any parents who faced the same regression following

> > > > Cutler protocol? I guess the main problem with it is that supplementing

> > > > vitamins causes so much yeast that it looks like it will never be gone.

> > > > Did anyone had such a long and severe regress, and then, progress?

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Yes - I think these are good ideas.

Margaret

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We started Andy Cutler protocol two years ago. We introduced

> > > > supplementing protocol and candida grew till sky immediately. We stepped

> > > > back, increased antifungals, then continued protocol, and made these

> > > > back and forth steps several times since then. Because of candida, we've

> > > > faced a lot of regression, mainly behavioural, no progress in skills.

> > > > Our son stopped enjoying playground, scooter, pool. We didn't take him

> > > > to vocation although three years ago we did. Now he becomes excausted

> > > > after being few minutes active outside.

> > > > > > > > Is this all what we've reached during two years? Yes.

> > > > > > > > I keep asking people and they tell me that this is supposed to

> > > > improve after a year or two of chelation. But nothing from what we have

> > > > now gives me a hint that it will. I follow protocol carefully, but see

> > > > only candida.

> > > > > > > > I am worried that considering how much of yeast we've provocked

> > > > in his body his regression is forever. He used to be silly and sweet,

> > > > now he is silly and angry, that's all difference. I am very much affraid

> > > > that I will never get my boy back.

> > > > > > > > Are there any parents who faced the same regression following

> > > > Cutler protocol? I guess the main problem with it is that supplementing

> > > > vitamins causes so much yeast that it looks like it will never be gone.

> > > > Did anyone had such a long and severe regress, and then, progress?

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advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

practitioner.

> > > >

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Some people give much more than that daily when kid has had MMR and has a bad gut

Mandi x

What is the right amount for Vit A? I gave this amount for ages and now give 5000iu every morning as well as CLOKirstyX> > > > >> > > > > Dear All,> > > > >> > > > > We started Andy Cutler protocol two years ago. We introduced> supplementing protocol and candida grew till sky immediately. We stepped> back, increased antifungals, then continued protocol, and made these> back and forth steps several times since then. Because of candida, we've> faced a lot of regression, mainly behavioural, no progress in skills.> Our son stopped enjoying playground, scooter, pool. We didn't take him> to vocation although three years ago we did. Now he becomes excausted> after being few minutes active outside.> > > > > Is this all what we've reached during two years? Yes.> > > > > I keep asking people and they tell me that this is supposed to> improve after a year or two of chelation. But nothing from what we have> now gives me a hint that it will. I follow protocol carefully, but see> only candida.> > > > > I am worried that considering how much of yeast we've provocked> in his body his regression is forever. He used to be silly and sweet,> now he is silly and angry, that's all difference. I am very much affraid> that I will never get my boy back.> > > > > Are there any parents who faced the same regression following> Cutler protocol? I guess the main problem with it is that supplementing> vitamins causes so much yeast that it looks like it will never be gone.> Did anyone had such a long and severe regress, and then, progress?> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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around 5000iu long term is bordering on safety levels, I would either halve it or do frequent breaks from it to be on the safe side.> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > >> > > > > > We started Andy Cutler protocol two years ago. We introduced> > supplementing protocol and candida grew till sky immediately. We stepped> > back, increased antifungals, then continued protocol, and made these> > back and forth steps several times since then. Because of candida, we've> > faced a lot of regression, mainly behavioural, no progress in skills.> > Our son stopped enjoying playground, scooter, pool. We didn't take him> > to vocation although three years ago we did. Now he becomes excausted> > after being few minutes active outside.> > > > > > Is this all what we've reached during two years? Yes.> > > > > > I keep asking people and they tell me that this is supposed to> > improve after a year or two of chelation. But nothing from what we have> > now gives me a hint that it will. I follow protocol carefully, but see> > only candida.> > > > > > I am worried that considering how much of yeast we've provocked> > in his body his regression is forever. He used to be silly and sweet,> > now he is silly and angry, that's all difference. I am very much affraid> > that I will never get my boy back.> > > > > > Are there any parents who faced the same regression following> > Cutler protocol? I guess the main problem with it is that supplementing> > vitamins causes so much yeast that it looks like it will never be gone.> > Did anyone had such a long and severe regress, and then, progress?> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Lots of naturopaths, including one we've used, suggest 50,000 IU daily. My son

had chicken pox and was then given the mmr. Chicken pox reduces vitamin A

stores severely (esp when many people are already deficient) and a healthy

immune response to measles requires sufficient vitamin A. There's quite a bit

of research on this.

Anita

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We started Andy Cutler protocol two years ago. We introduced

> > supplementing protocol and candida grew till sky immediately. We stepped

> > back, increased antifungals, then continued protocol, and made these

> > back and forth steps several times since then. Because of candida, we've

> > faced a lot of regression, mainly behavioural, no progress in skills.

> > Our son stopped enjoying playground, scooter, pool. We didn't take him

> > to vocation although three years ago we did. Now he becomes excausted

> > after being few minutes active outside.

> > > > > > Is this all what we've reached during two years? Yes.

> > > > > > I keep asking people and they tell me that this is supposed to

> > improve after a year or two of chelation. But nothing from what we have

> > now gives me a hint that it will. I follow protocol carefully, but see

> > only candida.

> > > > > > I am worried that considering how much of yeast we've provocked

> > in his body his regression is forever. He used to be silly and sweet,

> > now he is silly and angry, that's all difference. I am very much affraid

> > that I will never get my boy back.

> > > > > > Are there any parents who faced the same regression following

> > Cutler protocol? I guess the main problem with it is that supplementing

> > vitamins causes so much yeast that it looks like it will never be gone.

> > Did anyone had such a long and severe regress, and then, progress?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

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> >

>

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I should have added, it is very important to be aware of all of the

signs/symptoms of toxicity when using vitamin A--at any level. But for some

kids, like mine, higher levels have been necessary and helpful.

Anita

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We started Andy Cutler protocol two years ago. We introduced

> > > supplementing protocol and candida grew till sky immediately. We stepped

> > > back, increased antifungals, then continued protocol, and made these

> > > back and forth steps several times since then. Because of candida, we've

> > > faced a lot of regression, mainly behavioural, no progress in skills.

> > > Our son stopped enjoying playground, scooter, pool. We didn't take him

> > > to vocation although three years ago we did. Now he becomes excausted

> > > after being few minutes active outside.

> > > > > > > Is this all what we've reached during two years? Yes.

> > > > > > > I keep asking people and they tell me that this is supposed to

> > > improve after a year or two of chelation. But nothing from what we have

> > > now gives me a hint that it will. I follow protocol carefully, but see

> > > only candida.

> > > > > > > I am worried that considering how much of yeast we've provocked

> > > in his body his regression is forever. He used to be silly and sweet,

> > > now he is silly and angry, that's all difference. I am very much affraid

> > > that I will never get my boy back.

> > > > > > > Are there any parents who faced the same regression following

> > > Cutler protocol? I guess the main problem with it is that supplementing

> > > vitamins causes so much yeast that it looks like it will never be gone.

> > > Did anyone had such a long and severe regress, and then, progress?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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Margaret, we've used oxypowder quite a bit and never paired it with lemon juice.

If things are bad it can take quite a bit over a few days. It seems impossible

that anyone, especially a child, could have so much poo in them. With the

oxypowder, the belly can look bigger for a bit because of the water being

retained, but I have seen my son go from looking 8 months pregnant to having a

soft, normal belly in one day with the oxypowder.

Anita

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > We started Andy Cutler protocol two years ago. We introduced

> > > > > supplementing protocol and candida grew till sky immediately. We

stepped

> > > > > back, increased antifungals, then continued protocol, and made these

> > > > > back and forth steps several times since then. Because of candida,

we've

> > > > > faced a lot of regression, mainly behavioural, no progress in skills.

> > > > > Our son stopped enjoying playground, scooter, pool. We didn't take him

> > > > > to vocation although three years ago we did. Now he becomes excausted

> > > > > after being few minutes active outside.

> > > > > > > > > Is this all what we've reached during two years? Yes.

> > > > > > > > > I keep asking people and they tell me that this is supposed to

> > > > > improve after a year or two of chelation. But nothing from what we

have

> > > > > now gives me a hint that it will. I follow protocol carefully, but see

> > > > > only candida.

> > > > > > > > > I am worried that considering how much of yeast we've

provocked

> > > > > in his body his regression is forever. He used to be silly and sweet,

> > > > > now he is silly and angry, that's all difference. I am very much

affraid

> > > > > that I will never get my boy back.

> > > > > > > > > Are there any parents who faced the same regression following

> > > > > Cutler protocol? I guess the main problem with it is that

supplementing

> > > > > vitamins causes so much yeast that it looks like it will never be

gone.

> > > > > Did anyone had such a long and severe regress, and then, progress?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical

advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

practitioner.

> > > > >

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hi margaret, this is interesting because since upping the movicol i have seen

distended tummy on my son... and I couldnt work out why he was getting something

I had not seen b4. what is you opinion do you think we should just stick with

the magnesium? isobel

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > We started Andy Cutler protocol two years ago. We introduced

> > > > supplementing protocol and candida grew till sky immediately. We stepped

> > > > back, increased antifungals, then continued protocol, and made these

> > > > back and forth steps several times since then. Because of candida, we've

> > > > faced a lot of regression, mainly behavioural, no progress in skills.

> > > > Our son stopped enjoying playground, scooter, pool. We didn't take him

> > > > to vocation although three years ago we did. Now he becomes excausted

> > > > after being few minutes active outside.

> > > > > > > > Is this all what we've reached during two years? Yes.

> > > > > > > > I keep asking people and they tell me that this is supposed to

> > > > improve after a year or two of chelation. But nothing from what we have

> > > > now gives me a hint that it will. I follow protocol carefully, but see

> > > > only candida.

> > > > > > > > I am worried that considering how much of yeast we've provocked

> > > > in his body his regression is forever. He used to be silly and sweet,

> > > > now he is silly and angry, that's all difference. I am very much affraid

> > > > that I will never get my boy back.

> > > > > > > > Are there any parents who faced the same regression following

> > > > Cutler protocol? I guess the main problem with it is that supplementing

> > > > vitamins causes so much yeast that it looks like it will never be gone.

> > > > Did anyone had such a long and severe regress, and then, progress?

> > > > > > > >

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> > > > No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical

advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

practitioner.

> > > >

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Movicol worked great here, ds was on it for 10 months or so, no problems. He had been a big gut kid in younger years, but no longer obvious inflammatory problems apart from bad motility/constipation when we started it, so that might be why no problems. Oxypowder didn't work at all for us, tried it several times, no effects.Natasa > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > We started Andy Cutler protocol two years ago. We introduced> > > > supplementing protocol and candida grew till sky immediately. We stepped> > > > back, increased antifungals, then continued protocol, and made these> > > > back and forth steps several times since then. Because of candida, we've> > > > faced a lot of regression, mainly behavioural, no progress in skills.> > > > Our son stopped enjoying playground, scooter, pool. We didn't take him> > > > to vocation although three years ago we did. Now he becomes excausted> > > > after being few minutes active outside.> > > > > > > > Is this all what we've reached during two years? Yes.> > > > > > > > I keep asking people and they tell me that this is supposed to> > > > improve after a year or two of chelation. But nothing from what we have> > > > now gives me a hint that it will. I follow protocol carefully, but see> > > > only candida.> > > > > > > > I am worried that considering how much of yeast we've provocked> > > > in his body his regression is forever. He used to be silly and sweet,> > > > now he is silly and angry, that's all difference. I am very much affraid> > > > that I will never get my boy back.> > > > > > > > Are there any parents who faced the same regression following> > > > Cutler protocol? I guess the main problem with it is that supplementing> > > > vitamins causes so much yeast that it looks like it will never be gone.> > > > Did anyone had such a long and severe regress, and then, progress?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------> > > > > > > > DISCLAIMER> > > > No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.> > > >