Re: Multi-rant

[Guest guest]

--- Louise Gainor wrote:

> My neighbor’s boyfriend told her that she

> “disobedient” last

> night. I threw him out.

>

> Louis

>

-----------I hope you gave him a good spanking first!

;P

Nanne

From: Jane Meyerding

> There's a theory that men-in-power (definitely a

> sub-set

> of the gender as a whole) impose on " their women "

> whatever

> appearance the time-period accepts as proof of

> wealth.

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Or she’s AS and doesn’t know that it could be dangerous. My

mother does that kind of stuff, and she’s AS. I, n the other

hand, am obsessed with safety (which is why I quit climbing

trees).

My son’s have what is called “Home & Family” class, and they cook

and sew. It’s a required class, so I am impressed that somebody

finally got a clue and started involving males in household

decisions/functions.

Louis

From: AndyTiedye

On Saturday, August 9, 2003 16:16 -0700 Jeanette

wrote:

> Unfortunately, she's had very little power tool

> safety instruction until I *insisted* she ask for some after

she sliced

> her little finger nearly in half trying to catch a chainsaw

she'd

> dropped after carrying it up a *ladder* to use it to cut

something that

> didn't need a chainsaw anyway.

aaack! I hope she wasn't hurt too badly.

This suggests more than a lack of safety instruction. What you

described

is so obviously dangerous that it would suggest either an overall

lack of

appreciation of her own mortality or a reckless disregard for it.

It goes both ways.

They don't teach guys how to cook or sew.

What's up with that?

I knew that was bogus back when I was in school I took " shop "

with the

rest of the boys and the girls all got " home ec " .

I wanted to take both, because I knew I'd need both sets of

skills,

but that wasn't an option.

Ride the Music

AndyTiedye

[Guest guest]

I taught my husband to knit. He wanted knitted club head covers

for his golf clubs, and asked me to make them. I said, “Here,

watch this, now make them yourself. I’m going to work on the

car.” LOL!

I think he should make lots of them and sell them at the local

golf courses.

Louis

From: Jeanette

Andytiedye wrote:

It goes both ways.

They don't teach guys how to cook or sew.

What's up with that?

Actually, it DOESN'T go both ways. My uncle learned how to sew

by taking a sewing class at one of those material stores. He

told me the women encouraged him, supported him, helped him out.

Also, did you ever stop to think how many chefs are male?

Men DISCOURAGE other men from taking these courses, saying sewing

is " woman's work " , or that guys that do that are " sissies " .

Your school probably didn't offer it because they figured no one

would be interested, and of course they want to keep social norms

up.

I'm sure if you look around now, you'll be able to find a class

somewhere.

Jeanette

[Guest guest]

“Miss” means your available, “Mrs” means your married, and “Ms”

means it’s none of your business and shouldn’t matter. LOL

Louis

From: Jane Meyerding

Clay wrote:

>I understand that, but what I don't understand, (not

>bothered by, just don't understand), is why xe and

>others use the non-gender specific pronouns talking

>about others, who are obviously he's and she's. It

>just doesn't compute.

For the same reason as many feminists prefer to use

Ms. for all women. Using Mrs. and Miss depending on

whether a woman is maried or not implies that a

woman's marital status matters in every situation

(whereas it's actually irrelevant except when

there is courting behavior contemplated). Women

were discriminated against for decades in employment

on the basis of their marital status. Usine Ms for

all is a way of refusing to " play along with " that

system of discrimination.

Similarly, using gender-neutral pronouns is a way

of saying that a person's gender is irrelevant in

most instances and circumstances of public life.

And it also leaves room for the existence of those

who are neither male nor female. It " levels the

playing field. "

Jane

[Guest guest]

We had a “woman” like that in Air Force basic training. She chose

to be “female”, and so was identified that way, but “she” looked

like “she” could have gone either way with “her” choice. No

really feminine or masculine traits, “she” just was.

Louis

Re: Multi-rant

wrote:

> Xe has neither the sexual organs of a

> male nor the sexual organs of a female (thus none of the

> hormone-producing bits either), and was born this way.

I'm jealous. Well, not really; I don't really experience that

particular emotion much at all, but I have wished I could be free

of

mine for a long time. The only thing useful about a penis that I

can

think of is making it easier to urinate standing up. The rest of

it is

just dead weight that secretes nasty stuff into my blood....

yuck.

[Guest guest]

He's a little bigger than me, so I didn't even get to " pitch him out on his

ear " . He told me that I couldn't win in a fight with him, and I told him,

" If I hurt you, I win. And I will hurt you. " I called him some names, too,

which probably didn't help my cause any. She let him in this morning while

we were sharing a pot of coffee, and he was very contrite. He asked for a

cup of coffee and my neighbor said, " God cracked your ass, he didn't break

your legs. You know where the cups are, get it yourself. "

I gotta remember that one!

Louis

RE: Multi-rant

--- Louise Gainor wrote:

> My neighbor's boyfriend told her that she

> " disobedient " last

> night. I threw him out.

>

> Louis

>

-----------I hope you gave him a good spanking first!

;P

Nanne

[Guest guest]

> He's a little bigger than me, so I didn't even get to " pitch him

out on his

> ear " . He told me that I couldn't win in a fight with him, and I

told him,

> " If I hurt you, I win. And I will hurt you. " I called him some

names, too,

> which probably didn't help my cause any. She let him in this

morning while

> we were sharing a pot of coffee, and he was very contrite. He asked

for a

> cup of coffee and my neighbor said, " God cracked your ass, he

didn't break

> your legs. You know where the cups are, get it yourself. "

>

> I gotta remember that one!

>

> Louis

LOL :-)

Gareth

[Guest guest]

I can’t say much to that! I am really clumsy so I have to laugh

at myself whenever I hurt myself in some truly spectacular way. I

don’t remember if I told you all that I crushed my fingers in the

garage door (reached for the handle to pull it down, and reached

into the gap between panels instead and pulled the door down) two

months ago. All I could do was laugh, ‘cause it was a really

stupid thing to have done. Of course then I had to push the door

back up and get my hand out, so I was in a little pain for a few

minutes (until the ‘ol endorphins or whatever kicked in). I think

one of my fingers is broken from that incident; it still hurts.

Louis

From:

She's done really scary stuff around machinery and tools for a

long time, and usually the main

reaction she has is amusement if anything.

[Guest guest]

> Or shes AS and doesnt know that it could be dangerous. My

> mother does that kind of stuff, and shes AS. I, n the other

> hand, am obsessed with safety (which is why I quit climbing

> trees).

No, she's not autistic. But she *is* dyslexic-or-something and what if

she ever went to a psychiatrist would probably be labeled bipolar.

Among other things.

I've never been able to figure out if she doesn't *understand* her own

mortality or if she just doesn't *care*. She's done really scary stuff

around machinery and tools for a long time, and usually the main

reaction she has is amusement if anything. (No, she's not a sociopath,

even if her dad probably is. She's just odd in some ways.)

--

" ...by assuming that a worsening of our disability means that our lives

would no longer be worth living, we are undermining the lives of those

who are already more disabled than ourselves. " -

[Guest guest]

--- Louise Gainor wrote:

> He's a little bigger than me, so I didn't even get

> to " pitch him out on his

> ear " . He told me that I couldn't win in a fight with

> him, and I told him,

> " If I hurt you, I win. And I will hurt you. " I

> called him some names, too,

> which probably didn't help my cause any. She let him

> in this morning while

> we were sharing a pot of coffee, and he was very

> contrite. He asked for a

> cup of coffee and my neighbor said, " God cracked

> your ass, he didn't break

> your legs. You know where the cups are, get it

> yourself. "

>

> I gotta remember that one!

>

> Louis

>

----------HA! That *is* a good one!

Nanne

=====

" Let's go get drunk on light again---it has the power to console. " --

Seurat

[Guest guest]

> I cant say much to that! I am really clumsy so I have to laugh

> at myself whenever I hurt myself in some truly spectacular way.

That's not what I mean, though. (And she's not really clumsy.)

She laughs at times when she's seriously endangered another person. It

doesn't seem like malicious laughter. She just seems to be completely

oblivious to the danger, and thinks the other person is overreacting if

they complain, and she laughs at the person's reaction. Definitely not

a " laughing with them " thing, nor the most usual kind of " nervous

laughter " , nor the usual kind of " laughing at oneself " .

Almost like if there were two people in a room with a fan blowing in

it. One of the people has an irrational fear of fans blowing on them,

thinking that for some convoluted reason it will kill them, even though

it won't. The other person does not understand this (it being outside

the realm of their experience that fans could even be *perceived* as

doing this) and therefore kind of laughs at the person while encouraging

them to stand in front of the fan.

Only in this case the danger is real.

--

" There are few things more unnerving on this planet than hearing a nurse

mutter to herself, " Now remember; pointy end goes in the *arm*. "

-Ferrett

[Guest guest]

> > In other words you have to

> >be not on the spectrum. It discriminates against Aspies, but what

> >can we do???

> >

> >

> Some really hairy stuff that NTs can't do. Those are the jobs for

> us.

Who ya gonna call---- s-u-p-e-r aspie! :-)

Gareth.

[Guest guest]

Chemer wrote:

>At one time Computers were a Geeks World. Now more and more NTs are

>realising how much money computers can pay so they are training up to

>go into those fields.

>

This is not necessarily a bad thing.

We get the NTs to go to all the long, boring meetings. Some of them

actually

like going to meetings.

They want to be promoted into management. Many of them will be.

Good for them. Better them than us.

But when they've got something really complicated to build, or when they've

got something that's really broken, they know who to come to.

They know we're a little strange, they may not know anything about autism,

but they know from experience that wizards are often like that.

They also realize that many of the things we have asked for, like being able

to telecommute, not to have to drop everything for phone calls, and so on,

make NTs more productive too.

> So no longer can the Aspie feel safe and just

>get on with Programming or whatever,

>

It still seems to work out here, for those of us who are still working.

I would not recommend moving here in search of a job right now however.

(Here is the San Francisco Bay Area).

> its all become about Socialising

>again and going to the right School and playing golf with the Boss

>after work.

>

I can't imagine my boss playing golf. He's more into skydiving (on his

own time,

he has not attempted to interest any of us in doing this).

>I have no doubt in my mind that I am going to need help to go back to

>work. I will need help to answer the Telephone

>

What is the nature of your difficulty with the telephone?

Most of us let voicemail pick it up and call or email back when we get

around to it.

Email is the preferred mode of communication where I work.

>or even to Socialise with groups of people.

>

Around here, one by-product of the recession is a great reduction in the

number of

company-sponsored social events. They never were all that

well-attended anyway.

> Its not going to be easy. Even in Factories

>you have to be very sociable now. In the old days you had to just

>get on with your job and no time for chatting. But now even there

>you have to have people skills.

>

>Now on Job Applications they all put MUST HAVE INTERPERSONAL SKILLS,

>MUST BE ABLE TO WORK AS PART OF A TEAM.

>

What positions are you applying for?

> In other words you have to

>be not on the spectrum. It discriminates against Aspies, but what

>can we do???

>

>

Some really hairy stuff that NTs can't do. Those are the jobs for us.

Ride the Music

AndyTiedye

[Guest guest]

> >I have been in that position a lot. When I am in that position, no

> >amount of motivation to do things will cause anything other than pushing

> >myself until I hit shutdown and become even less able to participate in

> >whatever it was. At which point a message like " If you don't do

> >something, this is a choice " looks like a pretty low blow.

> I apologize for that... I was originally going to clarify, as I remember

> thinking about those autistics that *are* totally drained, but for some

> reason wrote ahead anyway. I was speaking specifically in my rantlet of

> the ACs that do have the energy, but don't use it at all for change. (I'm

> running mostly on anger from an incident earlier today, so my thinking

> isn't terribly clear. Hopefully you can figure out what I mean...the

> people that truly don't aren't the ones I'm targeting; it's the ones that

> do, and that use it for other things while blaming autism for their learned

> helplessness.)

That makes sense. I didn't take offence, having taken prior

conversations into context, but given the tendency of autistic people

*not* to take things into context, I figured someone might well.

> Is it possible to successfully have a job and not have energy? (Honest

> question, I was puzzling that out earlier.)

It's possible, I think, for a person to successfully have a job and have

no *spare* energy.

Think about it: Most of your energy goes into getting ready for work or

recovering from work. The rest of your energy goes into maintaining

enough feeding and hygiene not to die or get fired.

--

Some people have one of those days. I've had one of those lives.

[Guest guest]

Louise Gainor wrote:

>You’d think so, but they want us to promote or they think we will

>sue them if we don’t get promoted.

>

They can promote me into a higher-level technical position then.

>I just want to go to work and

>fix what’s broken and be left alone.

>

That's what I get to do most of the time.

>I don’t want to go to meetings and answer telephones

>

Most meetings I just phone into, and put the phone on " mute "

until I have something to say. I usually only have a couple

of meetings a week anyway.

Phone calls can always be left to voicemail. Many of my coworkers

never pick up the phone. They might play back the messages eventually

and respond with email.

Email is not only more Aspie-friendly, but it is also more suitiable to the

needs of business, especially one spread over many time-zones.

Email also has a " paper(less) trail " . You have your reply in your " sent "

folder to confirm to yourself and your boss that you did in fact give

those people an answer to their question.

>, but they don’t understand, and it

>’s awkward to try to inform them, not a good idea.

>

I have made it clear to everyone I have worked for that my career

interests were strictly technical-track. It is doubtful that any of them

were daft enough to want to push me into management anyway.

Ride the Music

AndyTiedye

[Guest guest]

wrote:

> Think about it: Most of your energy goes into getting ready for work

> or recovering from work.

which is one reason we are sooo much more productive when we can work at

home!

Ride the Music

AndyTiedye

[Guest guest]

What? Please clarify this. What does this mean?

Louis

From: DeGraf

Is it possible to successfully have a job and not have energy?

[Guest guest]

Message: 15

Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 09:16:24 -0800

Subject: Re: Re: Multi-rant

Nanne wrote:

> ---------No. I'm talking about 'too far and bordering

>into ridiculousness', such as the kindegarten boy in

>Michigan who got suspended from school for having

>kissed a girl on top of her head and 'sexually

>harassing her'.

That kind of " zero tolerance " nonsense is not

feminism, IMO.

Jane

This is not feminism, it is humanism. If a girl behaved in the same way, the

consequence would hopefully be the same. People sneer at that decision, and it

puzzles me. Harrassment in kindergarten is as devastating as at any other time

of life. Non-consentual touching is as serious for a 4 year old as for any

other person. I taught a boy who kept following and cuddling a little girl to

the extent that she refused to come to school. School programs to counteract

bullying were ineffective because the parents thought his behaviour was sweet

and openly laughed at any attempts to persuade them otherwise. The girl's

parents were devastated that their child was too scared to come to school. The

decision by this school was that one parent should accompany the boy to school

and shadow him, preventing him from harassing the girl. Failure to do so would

result in the boy being expelled. Interestingly after one day of his father

following him around, the child approached his teacher and made a commitment not

to harass the girl again. It is far better to deal with this in childhood than

to try to address it in puberty or adulthood.

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[Guest guest]

> > ---------No. I'm talking about 'too far and bordering

> >into ridiculousness', such as the kindegarten boy in

> >Michigan who got suspended from school for having

> >kissed a girl on top of her head and 'sexually

> >harassing her'.

>

> That kind of " zero tolerance " nonsense is not

> feminism, IMO.

>

> Jane

>

> This is not feminism, it is humanism. If a girl behaved in the

same way, the consequence would hopefully be the same. People sneer

at that decision, and it puzzles me. Harrassment in kindergarten is

as devastating as at any other time of life. Non-consentual touching

is as serious for a 4 year old as for any other person. I taught a

boy who kept following and cuddling a little girl to the extent that

she refused to come to school. School programs to counteract

bullying were ineffective because the parents thought his behaviour

was sweet and openly laughed at any attempts to persuade them

otherwise. The girl's parents were devastated that their child was

too scared to come to school. The decision by this school was that

one parent should accompany the boy to school and shadow him,

preventing him from harassing the girl. Failure to do so would

result in the boy being expelled. Interestingly after one day of his

father following him around, the child approached his teacher and

made a commitment not to harass the girl again. It is far better to

deal with this in childhood than to try to address it in puberty or

adulthood.

*********

Sweet Jesus, the boy kissed her on her head, we have no further

information.

I am shaking my head, trying to form some kind of all encompasing

argument. Lets just say that hugging a girl against her wishes and

harrasing her all day, a kiss on the head does not make- except in

the minds of people who are anti men from the start, and extrapolate

their own personal prejudices onto such things.

im still shaking my head sadly, so ill leave it at that. I'm fit for

crying here, its so sad.

Gareth

(its enough to drive a man to drink :-)

[Guest guest]

Gareth Wrote:

>Lets just say that hugging a girl against her wishes and

>harassing her all day, a kiss on the head does not make- except in

>the minds of people who are anti men from the start, and extrapolate

>their own personal prejudices onto such things.

Gee, Gareth, not that you would understand or care about a female's CONSENT.

Gee, I guess you just don't care that the girl DID NOT LIKE OR WANT to be

hugged, to the point that SHE HATED GOING TO SCHOOL.

If he did it once, he didn't know what he was doing at that age and needs to be

taught. No big deal. If he does it to the extent that was described-

chronically, the teachers are weak in discipline, and the boy has major boundary

issues. I doubt a little boy has malicious intent, but he needs to learn

BOUNDARIES, and manners, and to respect others. Children who have problems with

that will grow into adults with major problems if they aren't taught boundaries.

Since consent is not an issue with you, I guess you would think its OK if a man

wanted to hug and kiss you without your permission.

This brings up another question:

Have you ever touched, kissed or hugged a woman without her consent?

How important is a woman's consent in sex to you? Or is it at all?

It seems like any time a female wants to stand up for herself, or exercise a

human right, to a man, you call it man-hating. Well, that's no surprise.

Gareth, your posts have no basis in reality, logic or fact, and show a serious

lack of respect for others. The weight of the content in your posts speak for

themselves, reflects extremely negatively on you, almost to the point where

there really is no need to reply to them.

>(its enough to drive a man to drink :-)

How could one post possibly make you want to drink? You don't have issues with

alcohol, do you? That would be bad for an aspie.

Jeanette

[Guest guest]

> ---------No. I'm talking about 'too far and bordering

>into ridiculousness', such as the kindegarten boy in

>Michigan who got suspended from school for having

>kissed a girl on top of her head and 'sexually

>harassing her'.

Now then Jeannete, my response was to another woman, about her post.

A post that said she dosnt get why people would be against suspending

a four year old boy for sexual harrasment for kissing a girl on her

head, then supporting her views by explaining she once taught a boy

who was constantly hugging a girl to the point of exhaustion, to the

point where the girl was afraid to come to school.

Thus, i said

" > >Lets just say that hugging a girl against her wishes and

> >harassing her all day, a kiss on the head does not make- except in

> >the minds of people who are anti men from the start, and

extrapolate

> >their own personal prejudices onto such things "

It is certainly correct that kissing a girl once on the head and

constantly harrasing a girl are two seperate events. It is my opinion

that men haters do not truly appreciate the difference.

> Gareth, your posts have no basis in reality, logic or fact

Now,

" " >Lets just say that hugging a girl against her wishes and

> >harassing her all day, a kiss on the head does not make- " "

This is both factual and logical. Reality is dangerous concept, each

one of us interperets it in a slightly different way. As such, just

because your militant femenist view is far away from the common view

that opposes you, i will not bash your view of reality, except to say

that it is wrong.

>

> Since consent is not an issue with you, I guess you would think its

OK if a man wanted to hug and kiss you without your permission.

Lets not forget here Jeanette, we are talking about a boy, not a man.

There are certain boundaries here that you should not blur,

Jeannette, nomatter how much you dislike me. Boys and girls do not

understand boundaries, men and women have grown more of an idea.

though, you may remember the exitement that lies in flirtation, is

derived from the meeting and crossing of boundaries, things that we

autistics and aspies are notoriosly clueless at. Perhaps that boy was

an aspie, an aspie that really liked her. think about it. One of the

major things wrong with supporting the suspension, is we know little

at all about it. Thus, the only people who feel justified to comment,

are those that feel justified, or indeed dont notice, that they are

filling in the huge chasms of blanks from past experience. A

dangerous past time, and one which is regularly partaken of and

accepted.

Now supposing the boy kissed her on the head. What should have

happened was " Hey tony/fred, thats wrong to do without jane/kristina

wanting you too "

>

> This brings up another question:

>

> Have you ever touched, kissed or hugged a woman without her

consent?

> How important is a woman's consent in sex to you? Or is it at all

important?

How important are underhand comments and implications to you? how

important is it for you to get the mans consent? or is it important

at all?

Lets leave this nastyness along with why men want women to wear

skirts (so they cant run away, apperantly)

>

> It seems like any time a female wants to stand up for herself, or

exercise a human right, to a man, you call it man-hating. Well,

that's no surprise.

If the young boy kissing her on the head caused offence, then a quick

telling off would have sufficed. Now, he has been suspended for

sexual harrasment, and may well now be afraid of girls as an innocent

gesture (sexual harrasment my ass) has been blown out of all

proportion. He wont simply refrain from kissing a girl on the head, i

can only assume that the suspension will register in his poor young

vulnerable mind that is always trying to grasp social rules, as

meaning dont approach women, stick to men, its safer.

>

> Gareth, your posts have no basis in reality, logic or fact, and

show a serious lack of respect for others. The weight of the content

in your posts speak for themselves, reflects extremely negatively on

you, almost to the point where there really is no need to reply to

them.

Jeannete, i thouroughly despise you, your attacks on men and your

attacks on me specifically, which lead me to feel quite disgusted in

myself. Im still reeling from the tone in your post now. My posts are

quite reasonable. The content of my posts is an expression of true

equality and a more considered way, less reactionary and more

reasonable than the militant femenism that you expouse.

> >(its enough to drive a man to drink :-)

>

> How could one post possibly make you want to drink? You don't have

issues with alcohol, do you? That would be bad for an aspie.

>

> Jeanette

" May i direct you to exhibit A, your honour. A suspicious smiley

face, purposefully left at the end of the contested statement, as a

sickening pointer to humour. Further, i contest that this man is

representative of the taliban, and suspect this man jumps on joggers

whenever the whim takes him. I move you to lock up this menace to

society, before he exhibits any more foul behaviour- Lord knows, he

may even urinate standing up!!

(CUE DISBELEIVING LAUGHTER FROM THE COURT)

P.s, you only respond to my posts because you dont like men, and i

represent the worst kind of mean to you- one that is learning to be

masculine, and not cower before femenists, but to be himself.

Gareth.

oh, BTW, i was recently discussing having a circumsition operation to

make sex more spiritual, and to last longer. So, i was considering,

cutting off a part of my penis to benefit the union of man and woman.

Im actually a pretty decent guy, really.

Gareth.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/12/2003 3:39:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

moggy@... writes:

> Thing is, there are a lot of kids/people that are too timid to say " no " and

>

> they then wind up basically being molested... To say it's okay

> until/unless the person says " no " means the default is always " yes " which

> is incorrect, especially in the crowd of people (autistics and many

> otherwise disabled individuals) that are forcibly taught to not protest

> being touched regardless of their preference. In fact, that is even an

> issue in some relationships, where one partner (male or female) is sexually

> used against his/her will because they believe they have no choice except

> to sit there passively and try to ignore what is happening.

>

yes, especially if you gone all your life in autistic special school, and was

forced to be compliant or else, and one did as was told because too afraid

they are to say " no " . because if you say " no " things will go more badly for you,

yes, when you are in special school setting, and you have no rights

whatsoever it seems, as nothing you say will help you much anyway, restraint on

chair,

dragged across floor, yes. and saying no means you are being 'difficult' and

you not want to be termed difficult because punished much you will be if you

are " difficult "

And also persons not requesting or asking just doing, yes, like giving you no

option, no, to choose. So one just very frightened and scared close your eyes

and hope it will not go to badly, no. hope that if you say nothing at all you

won't get badly hurt or damaged, no.

But then that is why I read somewhere that 80% of disabled women are

molested, raped, or taken advantage of in some way or form. I've got to find

article,

but it seems accurate to me. i know i have been raped before and it has made

me more prone to be victimized again as i would be too frightened to move or

say anything, just be in such paralysis of feardom and be stricken to the point

that i just shut off and hope that if i not do anything I'll not get

physically damaged much and over soon it will be.

Juli ASD mother to Nicollette Rett Syndrome w/autism

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/12/2003 10:25:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

lgainor@... writes:

> It is a violation of my person to touch me without my permission!

> If you want a hug, ask me FIRST. If you feel the need to kiss me

> on my head, suppress it. If you touch me and I tell you never to

> do it again, respect that! I have the right to not be touched,

> why can’t other people keep their persons to themselves?

>

This is how I feel, as well, yes.

Juli ASD mother to Nicollette Rett Syndrome w/autism

[Guest guest]

It is getting harder and harder to be a boy these days. As Lionel Tiger

noted, it may even be harder for a boy to just get born, what with sex

selection in the offing. And to say that a kindergarten boy has " free

will " ? Considering that the United States has a non-tactile society, it

should not be surprising that children are not learning when and when not to

touch. This makes me wonder about the effect of touching or lack thereof on

the development of autistics. Perhaps I might even have a desire to be

touched. DAVE

[Guest guest]

Leafgreen danced around singing:

>It is getting harder and harder to be a boy these days. As Lionel Tiger

>noted, it may even be harder for a boy to just get born, what with sex

>selection in the offing.

I'm not sure, what does this have to do with sexual harassment?

>And to say that a kindergarten boy has " free will " ?

Hmmm...er, what else would motivate him?

> Considering that the United States has a non-tactile society, it

>should not be surprising that children are not learning when and when not to

>touch. This makes me wonder about the effect of touching or lack thereof on

>the development of autistics. Perhaps I might even have a desire to be

>touched.

You might, I have no idea... I have a desire for deep pressure contact, but

only from somebody that I completely trust; I don't want anybody else near

me. What is it you wonder about our development in that regard?

DeGraf ~*~ http://www.sonic.net/mustang/moggy