Carb/protein question

[Guest guest]

I thought of something last night that I hadn't thought about before. I've

not been eating a carb at my last meal of the day and sometimes I dont' have

a carb the last 2 meals of the day if I feel like I've pushed the carbs

earlier in the day. I'm wondering if I should be taking in some extra

protein since I'm not getting those calories in... or should I just let it

be?

Lana

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[Guest guest]

That's a good question. I would think that you would want to

make up the calories with extra protein since it seems you'd end

up in a calorie deficit for your BMR. I find that I am sluggish for my

workouts in the am, especially HIITs, if don't have my carbs with

my last meal. But I'm no expert.

Dianne

sometimes I dont' have

> a carb the last 2 meals of the day if I feel like I've pushed the

carbs

> earlier in the day. I'm wondering if I should be taking in some

extra

> protein since I'm not getting those calories in... or should I just

let it

[Guest guest]

Lana,

IMO you should eat 1g of protein per pound of bodyweight (not lean

weight; total bodyweight). As well, if you want to enhance your fat-

burning, you shouldn't eat carbs till the last 1 or 2 meals of the

day. That way your insulin isn't elevated as much. Insulin is a

necessary evil because it transports sugar-energy when needed, but it

also stores fat.

Andy

> I thought of something last night that I hadn't thought about

before. I've

> not been eating a carb at my last meal of the day and sometimes I

dont' have

> a carb the last 2 meals of the day if I feel like I've pushed the

carbs

> earlier in the day. I'm wondering if I should be taking in some

extra

> protein since I'm not getting those calories in... or should I just

let it

> be?

> Lana

>

> P.S.......

> Please visit Lana Rickabaugh's Warm Fuzzies at: http://www.warm-

fuzzies.com

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*not*

[Guest guest]

I should add, too, that the body can't generally handle more than 50g

of protein per sitting.

Andy

> That's a good question. I would think that you would want to

> make up the calories with extra protein since it seems you'd end

> up in a calorie deficit for your BMR. I find that I am sluggish for

my

> workouts in the am, especially HIITs, if don't have my carbs with

> my last meal. But I'm no expert.

> Dianne

>

> sometimes I dont' have

> > a carb the last 2 meals of the day if I feel like I've pushed the

> carbs

> > earlier in the day. I'm wondering if I should be taking in some

> extra

> > protein since I'm not getting those calories in... or should I

just

> let it

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/22/2001 11:31:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

neo-reality@... writes:

<< As well, if you want to enhance your fat-

burning, you shouldn't eat carbs till the last 1 or 2 meals of the

day. That way your insulin isn't elevated as much. Insulin is a

necessary evil because it transports sugar-energy when needed, but it

also stores fat.

Andy >>

Andy:

Could you further explain why you think the carb increase should be at the

end of the day? My thoughts are that if I eat them earlier in the day, I'm

more likely to use them as energy and not stored as fat. I am diabetic so

insulin spikes are my life. LOL

Robin in Ohio

[Guest guest]

neo-reality@... .com writes: you shouldn't eat carbs till the last 1 or 2 meals of the day.

Unless, of course, you want to do Body for Life the way it is written and eat balanced carbs and protein at every meal.

JUST AN OPINION HERE...but try doing BFL the way to plan is laid out for 12 short weeks and then see if you want to tweak the program. I, for one, am happy to tell you that BFL worked for me so I could eat more (albeit the *right* foods) and exercise less than I have in years and look and feel better than ever.

Sara

[Guest guest]

< Could you further explain why you think the carb increase should be

at the end of the day? >

Sure. When you eat carbs, you elevate your insulin. Anything eaten

in the presence of insulin is *more likely* to be stored as fat than

it would be otherwise. However, eaten at the right times, fat is

*good* for you (even some saturated, believe it or not). This is

why, generally, BFL has you cut down on fat and buy " low fat "

versions of so many foods - because you're always eating carbs and

thus cannot afford to be eating fat along with the carbs, cuz it'll

be stored as bodyfat.

I eat virtually no carbs for four meals of the day (i.e., just fat

and protein [mostly the " good " fats, but also a moderate amount of

sat. fat]), then have a BFL-style meal the last 2 meals of the day.

This is a modified version of the Natural Hormonal Enhancement eating

plan. If I were *strictly* on that plan, I'd be having low-carb for

several days in a row, then a couple end-of-day meals with *unlimited

carb calories*. However, by doing it the modified way, it's a little

more convenient, and I *don't* have unlimited calories when eating

carbs.

< My thoughts are that if I eat them earlier in the day, I'm more

likely to use them as energy and not stored as fat. >

Your body doesn't care when you eat them. You'll be set for another

round of fat-burning and working out after you've slept off the

insulin surge at night.

< I am diabetic so insulin spikes are my life. LOL >

This may change the picture. Are you Type I or Type II? (My

brother's Type I, so I can't expect him to eat like I do; he's gotta

listen to his own nutritionist.)

Andy

[Guest guest]

Thanks for jumping in, Sara. I never mind hearing your opinion. I

was just discussing the science of insulin, how it works, and how to

manipulate it. The standard BFL eating plan *is* a MUCH healthier

way of eating than the average N. American eats these days.

However, as good as BFL eating happens to be, it's scientifically

optimal. However, there's a little overlap between BFL eating and

the points I raised. That overlap is this: when Bill tells

you to wait for an hour after eating, he's telling you that so that

the fat-burning effect of your workout will be enhanced.

Now what would be wrong with eating right after your workout? Why

would that detract from fat-burning? Answer: is assuming

you're eating a carb portion in that meal, same as in every other

meal. Therefore, even though he doesn't discuss the science behind

it, he's tacitly acknowledging that elevated insulin is contrary to

fat-burning.

I've simply carried that through to its logical conclusion: we don't

need as many carbs as we think we do, and we can enhance fat-burning

by eating carbs in only the last 1 or 2 meals of the day. Is BFL's

40:40:20 healthy eating? Yes. Is the *best possible* healthy

eating, according to the scientific research. No; it could be

improved upon. But it's quite convenient for the masses, and that's

why BFL is more popular than some other plans.

Andy

> neo-reality@h... .com writes:

>

> you shouldn't eat carbs till the last 1 or 2 meals of the

> day.

> Unless, of course, you want to do Body for Life the way it is

written and eat balanced carbs and protein at every meal.

>

> JUST AN OPINION HERE...but try doing BFL the way to plan is laid

out for 12 short weeks and then see if you want to tweak the

program. I, for one, am happy to tell you that BFL worked for me so

I could eat more (albeit the *right* foods) and exercise less than I

have in years and look and feel better than ever.

>

> Sara

[Guest guest]

> Thanks for jumping in, Sara. I never mind hearing your opinion. I

> was just discussing the science of insulin, how it works, and how

to

> manipulate it. The standard BFL eating plan *is* a MUCH healthier

> way of eating than the average N. American eats these days.

>

> However, as good as BFL eating happens to be, it's scientifically

> optimal.

Darn it, I should've edited my post; that's meant to say NON-optimal.

Andy

[Guest guest]

Hi Sara....

Thanks for the advice... and I agree. I really like the simplicity of BFL

and intend to stick with that eating plan throughout the rest of my life.

The reason I've cut out my last carb of the day is because it's often close

to bed time and I didn't want that carb sitting in my stomach (turning to

fat) during the nite. This has been suggested by eas on their helpline so I

thought i'd give it a go. Reduced energy due to one less carb a day hasn't

affected me (I did an experiment with/without last carb of the day and

couldn't tell a difference in my workouts). Anyway... I'm not hip on the

idea of moving all my carbs to the end of the day.

Andy.. I eat one gram of protein per day per LEAN body weight. ly, I'm

not a small woman and I have alot of lean mass (I might end up having to

LOSE muscle in the end) and I have no desire to eat that much protein.

Lana

Re: Re: Carb/protein question

neo-reality@... .com writes:

you shouldn't eat carbs till the last 1 or 2 meals of the

day.

Unless, of course, you want to do Body for Life the way it is written and

eat balanced carbs and protein at every meal.

JUST AN OPINION HERE...but try doing BFL the way to plan is laid out for 12

short weeks and then see if you want to tweak the program. I, for one, am

happy to tell you that BFL worked for me so I could eat more (albeit the

*right* foods) and exercise less than I have in years and look and feel

better than ever.

Sara

[Guest guest]

> The reason I've cut out my last carb of the day is because it's

> often close to bed time and I didn't want that carb sitting in my

> stomach (turning to fat) during the nite.

That doesn't happen.

> Anyway... I'm not hip on the

> idea of moving all my carbs to the end of the day.

Scientifically it's the best way.

> Andy.. I eat one gram of protein per day per LEAN body weight.

> ly, I'm not a small woman and I have alot of lean mass (I

> might end up having to LOSE muscle in the end) and I have no desire

> to eat that much protein.

That's understandable. The 50g of protein limit-per-meal is the key

number here.

Best wishes,

Andy

[Guest guest]

> I hope NHE works for you... I " m not interested in NHE advice.

> thanks.

Interesting response. Forget the connection to NHE. Are you

interested in *sound science*? Where'd you get the idea that you

shouldn't eat carbs later in the day? If you're just interested in

BFL, well, you didn't get that idea from BFL.

I won't post anything to you again. I'm just disappointed when I see

close-mindedness. " Don't confuse me with the facts, " as some say.

Andy

[Guest guest]

>Interesting response. Forget the connection to NHE. Are you

>interested in *sound science*?

Umm... didn't ask for your brand of " sound science " .

Where'd you get the idea that you

>shouldn't eat carbs later in the day?

EAS Helpline.

If you're just interested in

>BFL, well, you didn't get that idea from BFL.

sorry.. wrong read above.

>I won't post anything to you again.

If that's true, then why did you send stuff to me privately too? Please

don't anymore, you do not have permission from me to do so.

> I'm just disappointed when I see

>close-mindedness. " Don't confuse me with the facts, " as some say.

I didnt' ask for your " facts " about NHE.. this isn't NHE board.. it's BFL..

and that's what interests me.

Lana

[Guest guest]

Again...

Your personal messages in my mail box are not welcome. Thanks for not

writing me privately any more.

Lana

Fw: Re: Carb/protein question

>

>I'm curious about NHE. Is it better, but Bill just doesn't

attempt

>to try to teach the general public about it because the BFL way is easier?

>

>Where can I find more about this?

>

>Thanks,

>

>

> Re: Re: Carb/protein question

>

>

>> I hope NHE works for you... I " m not interested in NHE advice.

>> thanks.

>> Lana

>

[Guest guest]

You posted a question. You got a response. Not like BFL's divine

revelation or something.

>

>

> >Interesting response. Forget the connection to NHE. Are you

> >interested in *sound science*?

>

> Umm... didn't ask for your brand of " sound science " .

>

> Where'd you get the idea that you

> >shouldn't eat carbs later in the day?

>

> EAS Helpline.

>

> If you're just interested in

> >BFL, well, you didn't get that idea from BFL.

>

>

> sorry.. wrong read above.

>

> >I won't post anything to you again.

>

> If that's true, then why did you send stuff to me privately too?

Please

> don't anymore, you do not have permission from me to do so.

>

> > I'm just disappointed when I see

> >close-mindedness. " Don't confuse me with the facts, " as some say.

>

>

> I didnt' ask for your " facts " about NHE.. this isn't NHE board..

it's BFL..

> and that's what interests me.

>

> Lana

[Guest guest]

If you're written privately, then *respond* privately.

> Again...

> Your personal messages in my mail box are not welcome. Thanks for

not

> writing me privately any more.

>

> Lana

>

> Fw: Re: Carb/protein question

> >

> >I'm curious about NHE. Is it better, but Bill just

doesn't

> attempt

> >to try to teach the general public about it because the BFL way is

easier?

> >

> >Where can I find more about this?

> >

> >Thanks,

> >

> >

> > Re: Re: Carb/protein question

> >

> >

> >> I hope NHE works for you... I " m not interested in NHE advice.

> >> thanks.

> >> Lana

> >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/23/2001 9:27:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

warmfuzzies@... writes:

<< Again...

Your personal messages in my mail box are not welcome. Thanks for not

writing me privately any more.

Lana >>

Hi Lana:

I appreciate your answers here and I asked the exact same questions as you

did. Fortunately, I didn't end up with any epistles in my mail box. I am an

ex-body builder (gone to seed, LOL) and it's been my experience that there is

always at least one person who feels the need to " enlighten " everyone as to

the errors of their thinking. My best advice would be to ignore and also set

your mail preferences to block his e-mail. Judging by your posts, you

definitely have a handle on your program. Keep it up!

Robin in Ohio

[Guest guest]

Can someone please tell me what NHE is? Ive been on this list for a few months, I must have forgotten. Thanks!

-Mike

[Guest guest]

Actually, I'm very interested in NHE. Hey Andy, if you could send me some info,

itd be great. If this has to do with carb cycling..im all into that. I have

football season comin up Þ

Let me know!

-Mike

[Guest guest]

NHE=Natural Hormone Enhancement.

It is a different way of eating than BFL.

If you are interested, I'm sure " neoreality " Andy would be more than

happy to tell you more.

Donna H.

[Guest guest]

Interesting post, Robin. Bear in mind that Lana originally posted a

question about protein/carb ratios, and I (among others) simply

responded. I didn't seek her out to begin a discussion about carbs

and protein.

Andy

> In a message dated 6/23/2001 9:27:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> warmfuzzies@g... writes:

>

> << Again...

> Your personal messages in my mail box are not welcome. Thanks for

not

> writing me privately any more.

>

> Lana >>

>

> Hi Lana:

>

> I appreciate your answers here and I asked the exact same questions

as you

> did. Fortunately, I didn't end up with any epistles in my mail box.

I am an

> ex-body builder (gone to seed, LOL) and it's been my experience

that there is

> always at least one person who feels the need to " enlighten "

everyone as to

> the errors of their thinking. My best advice would be to ignore and

also set

> your mail preferences to block his e-mail. Judging by your posts,

you

> definitely have a handle on your program. Keep it up!

>

> Robin in Ohio

[Guest guest]

> NHE=Natural Hormone Enhancement.

> It is a different way of eating than BFL.

There's some overlap, though. I posted on that before.

> If you are interested, I'm sure " neoreality " Andy would be more

> than happy to tell you more.

Yeah, I imagine he would. :-) I simply encourage everyone to

remember that BFL isn't divine revelation, and it's not the last word

on fitness. (Nor is NHE, for that matter.)

Andy

[Guest guest]

Hi, Mike. NHE is the best compendium of fitness science research

I've ever read. BFL is popular because it's pretty effective for

lots of people and it's very simply laid out. NHE is in my opinion

superior because of the detailed scientific backing. You can read

more about it at http://www.extique.com/nhe.html. Write me off-list

and I can send you a couple of brief MSWord files.

Best wishes,

Andy

> Actually, I'm very interested in NHE. Hey Andy, if you could send

me some info, itd be great. If this has to do with carb cycling..im

all into that. I have football season comin up Þ

> Let me know!

> -Mike

[Guest guest]

I wonder if it would always be wise to eat 1 g per lb of body

weight? Let's say someone weighs 450 lbs and they have 200 lbs of

lean muscle mass. You are telling me they should eat 450 gms of

protein per day?? That sound like too much and is more than they

could process in 6 meals, right? Common sense tells me they need to

eat enough to maintain their muscle mass and that is based on lean

body mass.

Andyman

> > I thought of something last night that I hadn't thought about

> before. I've

> > not been eating a carb at my last meal of the day and sometimes I

> dont' have

> > a carb the last 2 meals of the day if I feel like I've pushed the

> carbs

> > earlier in the day. I'm wondering if I should be taking in some

> extra

> > protein since I'm not getting those calories in... or should I

just

> let it

> > be?

> > Lana

> >

> > P.S.......

> > Please visit Lana Rickabaugh's Warm Fuzzies at: http://www.warm-

> fuzzies.com

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the

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> > I'd rather be hated for what I *am* then to be loved for what I

am

> *not*

[Guest guest]

So if a person weighs more than 300 lbs, then how do they eat their

grams of protein in 6 meals. Should they eat more meals?

Andyman

> > That's a good question. I would think that you would want to

> > make up the calories with extra protein since it seems you'd end

> > up in a calorie deficit for your BMR. I find that I am sluggish

for

> my

> > workouts in the am, especially HIITs, if don't have my carbs with

> > my last meal. But I'm no expert.

> > Dianne

> >

> > sometimes I dont' have

> > > a carb the last 2 meals of the day if I feel like I've pushed

the

> > carbs

> > > earlier in the day. I'm wondering if I should be taking in

some

> > extra

> > > protein since I'm not getting those calories in... or should I

> just

> > let it