MSM

[Guest guest]

HI.Ynks Tat.I.am glad that I also can contribute something to the group.MSM

works for me,don,t know how,don.t know why.I always had jointpain when I was

lying in bed,the hips especially.It even woke me up.Since I take MSM it.s

gone.My supplier told me that a lot of people buy it against arthritis,people

who never bought alternatives in their lives.It helps them.Well enough about

MSM,buy it and try it.Have a nice day everyone.Willem.

MSM

I sent Ron a copy of the page I posted to the list on MSM so he could

have some information on it...and since I'd already posted it on the

list, I sent it offlist.

Like Willem, I swear by MSM. I'd never known how much good it did until

I went off it. And like I said in an earlier email, when I was on the

track and using DMSO all the time my arthritis never bothered me. When I

went off the track, it was back and it wasn't until MSM came out and I

researched it and discovered it was a derivitive of DMSO that I realized

why when I left the track and my arthritis had started bothering me so

much again it was the DMSO that had been helping.

When I lost my job and had to eliminate everything but the necessities

of life, I stopped taking MSM. I kept my multi vitamin and my milk

thistle, but eliminated everything else. It wasn't long before the aches

and pains were so bad that I realized that I just had to have MSM...and

after a couple weeks of going back on it, my aches and pains were almost

gone.

And yes, Willem, it helps the brain fog. Don't know why or how, but it

does.

So I'm with Willem....take MSM and don't mess with other crap people are

selling for joint pain. It's natural sulfer which our bodies need to

maintain joint health.

Tatezi

--

" It is in the shelter of each other that the people live. " ~Irish

proverb~

[Guest guest]

Tat,

Do you know where a cheap place is to purchase this ? or are they all about

the same?

My aches are getting bad again, so am thinking about taking something and

this sounds like a good place to start

Thanks,

Suzy

MSM

I sent Ron a copy of the page I posted to the list on MSM so he could

have some information on it...and since I'd already posted it on the

list, I sent it offlist.

Like Willem, I swear by MSM. I'd never known how much good it did until

I went off it. And like I said in an earlier email, when I was on the

track and using DMSO all the time my arthritis never bothered me. When I

went off the track, it was back and it wasn't until MSM came out and I

researched it and discovered it was a derivitive of DMSO that I realized

why when I left the track and my arthritis had started bothering me so

much again it was the DMSO that had been helping.

When I lost my job and had to eliminate everything but the necessities

of life, I stopped taking MSM. I kept my multi vitamin and my milk

thistle, but eliminated everything else. It wasn't long before the aches

and pains were so bad that I realized that I just had to have MSM...and

after a couple weeks of going back on it, my aches and pains were almost

gone.

And yes, Willem, it helps the brain fog. Don't know why or how, but it

does.

So I'm with Willem....take MSM and don't mess with other crap people are

selling for joint pain. It's natural sulfer which our bodies need to

maintain joint health.

Tatezi

--

" It is in the shelter of each other that the people live. " ~Irish

proverb~

[Guest guest]

I buy locally ... even regular drug stores carry it in the supplement

section. It's usually around $8-$12 for 100 caps, 500mg. And it's

important to take it twice a day because your body will expel any unused

sulfer every 12 hours. The bottles always say to take multiple caps a

day but with unemployment I've only been taking 500mgs in the mornings

and 500mgs in the evening and I've not been having any problems.

Suzy Balone wrote:

>

> Tat,

> Do you know where a cheap place is to purchase this ? or are they all

> about

> the same?

> My aches are getting bad again, so am thinking about taking something

> and

> this sounds like a good place to start

> Thanks,

> Suzy

>

> MSM

>

>

> I sent Ron a copy of the page I posted to the list on MSM so he

> could

> have some information on it...and since I'd already posted it on

> the

> list, I sent it offlist.

>

> Like Willem, I swear by MSM. I'd never known how much good it did

> until

> I went off it. And like I said in an earlier email, when I was on

> the

> track and using DMSO all the time my arthritis never bothered me.

> When I

> went off the track, it was back and it wasn't until MSM came out

> and I

> researched it and discovered it was a derivitive of DMSO that I

> realized

> why when I left the track and my arthritis had started bothering me

> so

> much again it was the DMSO that had been helping.

>

> When I lost my job and had to eliminate everything but the

> necessities

> of life, I stopped taking MSM. I kept my multi vitamin and my milk

> thistle, but eliminated everything else. It wasn't long before the

> aches

> and pains were so bad that I realized that I just had to have

> MSM...and

> after a couple weeks of going back on it, my aches and pains were

> almost

> gone.

>

> And yes, Willem, it helps the brain fog. Don't know why or how, but

> it

> does.

>

> So I'm with Willem....take MSM and don't mess with other crap

> people are

> selling for joint pain. It's natural sulfer which our bodies need

> to

> maintain joint health.

>

> Tatezi

>

> --

> " It is in the shelter of each other that the people live. " ~Irish

>

> proverb~

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Meredith,

My gp recommended my taking msm. I take lots of supplements including

glucosomine and chondroitin, which my gp told me to stop taking since it was

not helping. I was going to try the msm but I've been in so much pain, that I

told her that I would rather try the Celebrex that she was giving me a script

for. I'd like to hear more about the msm myself. If you get any info on the

msm, please pass it on. Thanks

dee in Pa

[Guest guest]

Cher,

When I was on combo, yes the interferon took away my joint pain and achey-ness.

I was relieved of joint pain for the first time in many years. Some people do

get this benefit, not many, but some.

alley

[Guest guest]

No longer have the post saved but you can find it in the message

archives at ...it was originally posted to the group so will be in

the archives and the subject line was MSM and it was sent by me..

runabout_104 wrote:

> I'm sorry, i forgot that quick who had stated they sent copy off list

>

> about the MSM.

--

" It is in the shelter of each other that the people live. " ~Irish

proverb~

[Guest guest]

I once considered taking MSM. Then I talked to a friend of mine who is a Ph.D.

biochemist for a biotech company here in San Diego. He says the use of both

DMSO and MSM is dangerous. They are incredible organic solvents. The problem

is purity. Whatever is in them will infiltrate your body on a cellular level.

His example was that if you touched the finished table we were sitting at, then

handled DMSO, on skin contact molecules of whatever was in and on the table

would be delivered by this incredible solvent into the individual cells in the

organs of your body. They are very careful with it.

He also said that MSM is only one oxidation state up from DMSO. There is a

third oxidation state that is a powerful nerve toxin that was originally

developed by the military as a weapon. You may have heard a couple of years ago

about a woman in California that when rushed to emergency surgery poisoned the

surgical staff when they cut into her. The section of the hospital was closed

off. There was an investigation. Some of the staff were permanently injured.

There was even a rumor that the woman was a space alien.

Well, it turns out that the woman had terminal cancer and was taking large doses

of DMSO and MSM. Her body was able to produce an enzyme that allowed the

production of this nerve gas from the DMSO and MSM within her body. When the

surgeon cut into her it released the gas. She died, of course, and as far as I

know is still wrapped if a plastic bag frozen in a stainless steel canister.

After listening to my friend I decided to skip the MSM. RGDS Ronnie E.

[ ] MSM

Hi,

Does anyone out there take MSM? I have heard that it is good for the

joints and arthritis. I assume that would mean PA as well. My

husband takes it for overall health and I have started to take it as

well. Not sure if it is helping yet, it may take a while. I have only

been taking it for about 1 1/2 weeks.

If anyone has any info on it, I would be interested to hear it.

Thanks!

Meredith

[Guest guest]

Ronnie,

Thanks for the info on the MSM. That is pretty scarry! I will think long and

hard about continuing this supplement.

Meredith

[ ] MSM

Hi,

Does anyone out there take MSM? I have heard that it is good for the

joints and arthritis. I assume that would mean PA as well. My

husband takes it for overall health and I have started to take it as

well. Not sure if it is helping yet, it may take a while. I have only

been taking it for about 1 1/2 weeks.

If anyone has any info on it, I would be interested to hear it.

Thanks!

Meredith

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/9/02 12:55:32 AM Central Daylight Time,

ronevans@... writes:

> once considered taking MSM. Then I talked to a friend of mine who is a

> Ph.D. biochemist for a biotech company here in San Diego. He says the use

> of both DMSO and MSM is dangerous. They are incredible organic solvents.

> The problem is purity. Whatever is in them will infiltrate your body on a

> cellular level. His example was that if you touched the finished table we

> were sitting at, then handled DMSO, on skin contact molecules of whatever

> was in and on the table would be delivered by this incredible solvent into

> the individual cells in the organs of your body. They are very careful

> with it.

>

I had wondered about that myself. If it helps medicines to soak in to the

tissues what else does it help to get in thay you may not have wanted to?

Orin

[Guest guest]

That is the first negative thing I have ever heard about MSM. I would like

more information before I would consider giving it up. Everything I have

read and all the information from doctors say it is a good supplement.

Also, it has the backing of the FDA and is labeled to help arthritis. I'm

thinking that couldn't happen if it was truly dangerous. I certainly won't

give up on it unless there is some evidence that accompanies the opinion of

one biochemist.

Ks Di

Re: [ ] MSM

Ronnie,

Thanks for the info on the MSM. That is pretty scarry! I will think long

and hard about continuing this supplement.

Meredith

[ ] MSM

Hi,

Does anyone out there take MSM? I have heard that it is good for the

joints and arthritis. I assume that would mean PA as well. My

husband takes it for overall health and I have started to take it as

well. Not sure if it is helping yet, it may take a while. I have only

been taking it for about 1 1/2 weeks.

If anyone has any info on it, I would be interested to hear it.

Thanks!

Meredith

[Guest guest]

That was also the first negative thing I had heard about MSM. I

looked at several sites on the Web today and could not find anything

negative. My husband used to use DMSO as a cream. He stopped after he

heard of the dangers of DMSO, but has heard nothing bad about MSM.

We take MSM in the capsule form. I would hope that the capsule would

not allow the MSM to pick up everthing it touches. But then again,

there's no telling how clean of an enviornment the MSM is produced

in. It is really pure?

Most of the sites I was able to find on the web were selling MSM, so

of course they won't tell you about the negative points! If anyone

knows of an unbiased site to research MSM I would be interested to

see it. Thanks for all the feedback!

This group has really opened my eyes to PA! I knew so little about it

before I joined the group. Thanks to all who share their experiences

here! I wish you all health and happiness!!

Meredith

> That is the first negative thing I have ever heard about MSM. I

would like

> more information before I would consider giving it up. Everything

I have

> read and all the information from doctors say it is a good

supplement.

> Also, it has the backing of the FDA and is labeled to help

arthritis. I'm

> thinking that couldn't happen if it was truly dangerous. I

certainly won't

> give up on it unless there is some evidence that accompanies the

opinion of

> one biochemist.

> Ks Di

> Re: [ ] MSM

>

>

> Ronnie,

> Thanks for the info on the MSM. That is pretty scarry! I will

think long

> and hard about continuing this supplement.

> Meredith

>

> [ ] MSM

>

>

> Hi,

> Does anyone out there take MSM? I have heard that it is good

for the

> joints and arthritis. I assume that would mean PA as well. My

> husband takes it for overall health and I have started to

take it as

> well. Not sure if it is helping yet, it may take a while. I

have only

> been taking it for about 1 1/2 weeks.

> If anyone has any info on it, I would be interested to hear

it.

> Thanks!

> Meredith

>

>

>

> >

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm a nurse and also have a degree in chemistry, plus I work at OHSU, the

hosptial where Dr. Stanley s developed DMSO and MSM. I certainly

haven't heard any horror stories about MSM. Coincidentally, my boss, an

endocrinologist, asked me why I'm not taking MSM myself. He thinks it would

be better than all my " nuts & berries " treatment (I take EPO). Yes, DMSO is

a solvent. Yes, it is a carrier for lots of substances and will bring them

through the skin and into the circulation, with therapeutic and beneficial

results. It cannot bring them into " every organ " of the body unless you

saturate your circulation with DMSO and you'd die trying. DMSO is a safe,

effective pain reliever when used correctly by someone who understands how

and when to use it. MSM is a much less tricky-to-use analog of DMSO. It

too is a great pain reliever and can be safely used by anyone with smarts

enough to take a capsule. ANYTHING can be dangerous when misused. People

can drown in 2 inches of water and get scalded by hot lattes but I don't

hear anybody demanding that we outlaw H2O!

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[Guest guest]

Am I right in thinking that if my daughter does well on MSM (as per reply

on this list - thankyou) then she processes sulphur ok and that I should

use MSM and freely use sulphur containing food?

No, I don't think it's that simple. Keep reading. I think if your

daughter does well on MSM, you can assume that your daughter does well on

MSM, lol! It does probably mean that sulfation-related things help her and

probably that means that her body's sulfation systems are having some

difficulty working right, and that the MSM helps with this. I think it

also means that you should look into what else you can give her to help

with sulfation. It probably means that sulfur-containing foods would be

fine for him. There are a few experts out there who believe that most

autism is due to a basic defect in the body's sulfation capabilities. You

might want to call at Brainchild and talk to him about this, as he

is incredibly knowledgeable in this area, and is willing to consult with

parents about this. Owens and Rosemary Waring are the other experts

who come to mind.

Terri

At 10:12 AM 6/19/2002 +1000, you wrote:

>Now I am really confused. I have just gone to the mercury list and read

>some messages re sulphur foods - it's truly amazing how much information

>is out there!

>Am I right in thinking that if my daughter does well on MSM (as per reply

>on this list - thankyou) then she processes sulphur ok and that I should

>use MSM and freely use sulphur containing food?

>bel

> " looking for the Noddy's to sulphur issues "

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Chris

Thanks for balancing the equation with your observations. I would

strongly recommend the book " The Miracle of MSM, " to anyone who is

truly iterested in the pain relief effect of MSM. It was co-authored

by Dr . DMSO is a solvent and can act as a carrier for other

substances. But can't air carry the same elements directly into the

lungs? I haven't heard any phd's suggest that we stop breathing

because of this. MSM is in powder form and needs a carrier to be

effectively delivered topically. MSM has helped significantly reduce

my pain and my allergies as well. I buy it in 25 kilo drums and make

it into a topical lotion for skin care and pain relief and take 2

teaspoons internally twice a day. The results tell the tale, not just

for myself but for the folks who use my lotion and take the msm

internally. If you are interested in reading the book, I have about a

dozen copies of it in hard cover. Contact me privately if you're

interested.

Pura Vida,

Tom Maher

> I'm a nurse and also have a degree in chemistry, plus I work at

OHSU, the

> hosptial where Dr. Stanley s developed DMSO and MSM. I

certainly

> haven't heard any horror stories about MSM. Coincidentally, my

boss, an

> endocrinologist, asked me why I'm not taking MSM myself. He thinks

it would

> be better than all my " nuts & berries " treatment (I take EPO).

Yes, DMSO is

> a solvent. Yes, it is a carrier for lots of substances and will

bring them

> through the skin and into the circulation, with therapeutic and

beneficial

> results. It cannot bring them into " every organ " of the body

unless you

> saturate your circulation with DMSO and you'd die trying. DMSO is

a safe,

> effective pain reliever when used correctly by someone who

understands how

> and when to use it. MSM is a much less tricky-to-use analog of

DMSO. It

> too is a great pain reliever and can be safely used by anyone with

smarts

> enough to take a capsule. ANYTHING can be dangerous when misused.

People

> can drown in 2 inches of water and get scalded by hot lattes but I

don't

> hear anybody demanding that we outlaw H2O!

[Guest guest]

> Can anyone shed some light on the use of MSM and what the benefits

> and risks are in using it. I have heard good things but would

really

> like to hear information from someone that has used it themselves or

> with their child and what happened. Thanks

MSM helps some people with phenol issues

http://www.autismchannel.net/dana/phenol.htm

My son did not tolerate it tho. So if you want to try it, start

slowly and see how your child tolerates it.

Dana

[Guest guest]

We use MSM, only a 1/4 tsp a day, from Kirkman's, and we can tell if

DS doesn't have it. I accidently moved the bottle to another

cupboard and forgot about it for about 3 weeks and he was so

emotional, hyper and argumentative. Couldn't figure out why the

change, then I remember the MSM. We added it back and he's been so

much better the last 2 months.

I haven't upped the dosage to see if there's a difference. I feel

like I put so many supplements in his food now, but the Kirkman's

powder form dosage for children is 1/4 tsp twice a day.

Kristy

> > Can anyone shed some light on the use of MSM and what the

benefits

> > and risks are in using it. I have heard good things but would

> really

> > like to hear information from someone that has used it themselves

or

> > with their child and what happened. Thanks

>

>

> MSM helps some people with phenol issues

>

> http://www.autismchannel.net/dana/phenol.htm

>

> My son did not tolerate it tho. So if you want to try it, start

> slowly and see how your child tolerates it.

>

> Dana

[Guest guest]

It is Nature's Way optiMSM in vegcaps.

I started with 8,000 mg. I never took that much before but I recall that

is what Coburn(actor) talked about. So, I figured I should go for

broke!

[Guest guest]

MSM seems to work better than an antihistimine for me. I buy the powdered

kind and mix a little in water each day. Works fine for my seasonal

allergies. Seems to help my daughters also.

Michele

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/29/02 9:22:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mcro99@...

writes:

> MSM seems to work better than an antihistimine for me

My chiropractor swears by pantothentic acid (vitamin B-5), 1000 mg. at first

symptoms. It helps stimulate the immune system to produce antibodies against

allergens, and the adrenals need pantothentic acid to produce cortisol.

Celia

[Guest guest]

I copied and pasted this information from this link from Kirkman Labs.

You can get MSM from them or from other companies. It does taste

really bad. So, if your child cannot swallow capsules, the flavored

version from Kirkman's would probably be your best bet. Hope this info

helps.

Jody

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http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/articles/specialty/msm/msm.html

MSM

A sulfur source used as a detoxifier and inflammation reducer.

1.Introduction to MSM

2.How can MSM help in Autism

3.The Safety of MSM

Introduction to MSM

MSM stands for methylsulfonylmethane, which is a natural substance

present in food and in the human body. MSM is a source of sulfur, an

element critical to the structure and functioning of body mechanisms.

The following list highlights MSM's most significant actions when used

as a dietary supplement:

Pain relief

Reduces inflammation

Increases blood flow

Helps restore normal bowel activity by inhibiting cholinesterase

Reduces muscle spasm

Has a normalizing effect on the immune system as seen in clinical

studies involving autoimmune diseases such as lupus and arthritis

How can MSM help in Autism

Dr. Rosemary Waring reports that most autistic children show a

deficiency of sulfates in their plasma. Of the autistic children she

tested, 92% had sulfate levels that were only 12% of normal. Low

sulfates can lead to a leaky gut, as well as a weakness in the

phenolsulfotransferase (PST) system. A weakness in the PST system is

often characterized by night sweats, red face and ears, runny nose,

bloated stomach and extreme thirst. MSM adds sulfur to the diet and

this sulfur may be oxidized to sulfates in the body thus aiding the PST

pathway which is important in removing toxins.

Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, a widely respected Florida physician specializing

in autism, reports good success using MSM when children sweat

excessively or have abnormal odors. Dr. Bradstreet believes the MSM is

in fact improving the PST pathway.

There are many reports that suggest MSM may reduce sensitivity to food

allergies. It does not " cure " the allergy but rather improves

tolerance. Some patients report that if they take MSM before eating,

they have no problem with substances which previously were allergens.

Trent Nichols M.D., medical director of the Center for Nutrition and

Digestive Disorders (Hanover, Pennsylvania), reports MSM helpful

against food allergies including his own.

The Safety of MSM

MSM has been shown to be perfectly safe and free of side effects up to

five grams per day.

[Guest guest]

> Just curious, I was reading on some old list that several had gained

> improvement through MSM, after the herx effects and when they were

> able to build thier dose.

My pain Dr suggests patients to start at 500mgs per day for a week, go to

1000mgs per day for a week and up untill 3000mgs is reached. Stay there for

one month , then go down 500mgs until some pain comes back, then go back up

500mgs. I LOVE MSM , it truly helps me when the glucosamine/chondroitin

didn't do a thing. My Lyme dog also takes MSM.

[Guest guest]

One of the interesting things that my Lyme doc explained, is that Chondroitin is

actually a big waste of money - no matter what form you take it in, the body is

not able to absorb it...it just flushes right out...

I actually take 4000+mgs every day of MSM...because it is good for every part of

the body. If you have fibromyalgia, one thing that very few people/docs know is

that many Lymies with Fibro often have parasite infections...MSM kills &

prevents parasites, so that may also be a reason for feeling better while taking

it.

If you want more info about MSM, I have a great web site that I refer people

to...I have no affiliation, I just find the info great...

http://www.arthritis-msm-supplements.com/ be sure to check out the FAQ's -- it

is about 14pgs if you print it out.

As always feel free to contact with for any info...

wyson@...

888.204.5704

> ....

>

> My pain Dr suggests patients to start at 500mgs per day for a week, go to

> 1000mgs per day for a week and up untill 3000mgs is reached. Stay there for

> one month , then go down 500mgs until some pain comes back, then go back up

> 500mgs. I LOVE MSM , it truly helps me when the glucosamine/chondroitin

> didn't do a thing. My Lyme dog also takes MSM.

[Guest guest]

MSM is Sufur, and, when reading many articles about the beneficial

effects of garlic, onions, and many other things, their effectiveness

is traced to their sulfur content.

> Sulfur is the eighth most common element in your body. It is found

in

> virtually every cell. When sulfur is present in the body in the

proper

> form it functions to keep cell tissues permeable and prevents them

from

> hardening. This is CRITICAL to the proper functioning of your immune

> system!!! With a loss of permeability your lymph system cannot

function

> properly. When this permeability is restored - via MSM - your

lymphatic

> system can work the way it is supposed to work, and it helps your

body

> cleanse itself of the toxins and damaged tissues that result from

free

> radical damage, pollution from a multitude of sources, viruses,

> bacteria, parasites, etc.

>

> It isn't that the MSM by itself does all these wonderful things for

you.

> It is simply the fact that the immune system, the body's natural

healing

> process that God designed into you at birth, works naturally and

> effectively by means of optimum cell permeability, and good things

> happen when this occurs.

>

>

> http://groups.google.com/groups?

q=lymph+cleanse & start=10 & hl=en & lr= & ie=UTF-8 &

> oe=UTF-8 & selm=ed68d47f189192eec733c7671fd5f2f3%

40noisebox.dhs.org & rnum=14

[Guest guest]

how did you determine it was " better " ?

Thanks, Ken

MSM

I just found out you can get pure MSM powder for only $10 a pound at

the Feed Stores for Horses . I tried it out and it's better than the

stuff at the vitamin stores IMHO .

Dan

[Guest guest]

From the Horse's mouth?

mel ;-)

MSM

I just found out you can get pure MSM powder for only $10 a pound at

the Feed Stores for Horses . I tried it out and it's better than the

stuff at the vitamin stores IMHO .

Dan