Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 On 05 Mar 2007 06:57:34 -0800, Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...> wrote: > You may not have a sinus *infection* if you have sinusitis and asthma so it > may not do anything for you. knows some good things that help with > asthma so maybe if you posted a question about that with *asthma* in the > subject line you might get a response. Or you could search the WAPF > chapterleaders archives on onibasu.com where he's posted info about this. The most important things for treating asthma, I think, are vitamin A, because there is a number of lines of evidence showing vitamin A deficiency to be a cause of asthma and to be consisntently present, and glutathione support, because glutathione is depleted in asthma -- namely, low-temperature treated whey protein (Jarrow is good as it is non-hydrolyzed and therefore not high in glutamates) and selenium (400 mcg/day is generally good, an organic form like selenomethionine is prefereable). There is also a study showing vitamin K2 to be of benefit (Thorne is best). Glutathione support is also very important for battling an infection, so you are killing two birds with one stone in that sense. Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 This is interesting information as my son and daughter have asthma. Would the Vitamin A in palm oil be a good source in your opinion? Allyn _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Masterjohn Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 10:14 AM Subject: Re: Colloidal Silver On 05 Mar 2007 06:57:34 -0800, Suze Fisher <s.fisher22verizon (DOT) <mailto:s.fisher22%40verizon.net> net> wrote: > You may not have a sinus *infection* if you have sinusitis and asthma so it > may not do anything for you. knows some good things that help with > asthma so maybe if you posted a question about that with *asthma* in the > subject line you might get a response. Or you could search the WAPF > chapterleaders archives on onibasu.com where he's posted info about this. The most important things for treating asthma, I think, are vitamin A, because there is a number of lines of evidence showing vitamin A deficiency to be a cause of asthma and to be consisntently present, and glutathione support, because glutathione is depleted in asthma -- namely, low-temperature treated whey protein (Jarrow is good as it is non-hydrolyzed and therefore not high in glutamates) and selenium (400 mcg/day is generally good, an organic form like selenomethionine is prefereable). There is also a study showing vitamin K2 to be of benefit (Thorne is best). Glutathione support is also very important for battling an infection, so you are killing two birds with one stone in that sense. Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.choleste <http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com> rol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 On 3/5/07, ALLYN FERRIS <aferris7272@...> wrote: > This is interesting information as my son and daughter have asthma. Would > the Vitamin A in palm oil be a good source in your opinion? Palm oil does not contain vitamin A; however, the carotenes in it are converted highly efficiently compared to basically any other source of carotenes. I think palm oil is probably a good addition to the diet in most circumstances, but I would not rely on it as the sole source of vitamin A. I would use a teaspoon of high-vitamin cod liver oil, preferably the fermented cod liver oil that Green Pastures is now selling, and ideally liver, however if you are opposed to liver I would experiment with a vitamin A supplement derived from fish liver oil, or with upping the cod liver oil. You could try adding in a tablespoon of the red palm oil, which has other beneficial vitamins and antioxidants also. I have mixed feelings about high doses of cod liver oil because of all the polyunsaturated fat. What color are your children's eyes? Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Yes, my daughter takes Green Pastures CLO with butter oil. Yes, I should have said the carotenes that convert to Vitamin A. I take palm oil everyday but I am not sure I could get into my kids. LOL I have not bought or used the new fermented clo and no one seems to have much experience with it so I would be curious to see how people like it. I have been taking liver tablets but not liver oil. I have never seen that so do you know where you might find liver oil other than cod liver of course? My daughter has hazel eyes and my son brown. What is the reason for the eye color? Allyn _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Masterjohn Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Colloidal Silver On 3/5/07, ALLYN FERRIS <aferris7272@ <mailto:aferris7272%40verizon.net> verizon.net> wrote: > This is interesting information as my son and daughter have asthma. Would > the Vitamin A in palm oil be a good source in your opinion? Palm oil does not contain vitamin A; however, the carotenes in it are converted highly efficiently compared to basically any other source of carotenes. I think palm oil is probably a good addition to the diet in most circumstances, but I would not rely on it as the sole source of vitamin A. I would use a teaspoon of high-vitamin cod liver oil, preferably the fermented cod liver oil that Green Pastures is now selling, and ideally liver, however if you are opposed to liver I would experiment with a vitamin A supplement derived from fish liver oil, or with upping the cod liver oil. You could try adding in a tablespoon of the red palm oil, which has other beneficial vitamins and antioxidants also. I have mixed feelings about high doses of cod liver oil because of all the polyunsaturated fat. What color are your children's eyes? Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.choleste <http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com> rol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 CS is great for what it is meant for...it has anti-bacterial properties. Asthma is not caused by bacteria..so, CS wouldn't be good for that. You would need to do things to help with inflamation and allergies. Carbs/sugars cause inflamation, brolamain (sp?) helps inflamation, Omega-3 oils help with inflamation, etc. As for lung issues in general: I have found that when my little ones get croup, H2O2 in the humidifier works wonders. Maybe if you try that when you get a sinus infection. Plus, take anti-bacterial/anti-viral stuff internally: garlic, CS, etc just some thoughts...ct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 I use food grade H2O2 in my daughter's humidifier for her asthma and she tells me it helps. She is almost 19. Allyn _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of CHRISTINE TAYLOR Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:15 AM Subject: Re: Colloidal Silver CS is great for what it is meant for...it has anti-bacterial properties. Asthma is not caused by bacteria..so, CS wouldn't be good for that. You would need to do things to help with inflamation and allergies. Carbs/sugars cause inflamation, brolamain (sp?) helps inflamation, Omega-3 oils help with inflamation, etc. As for lung issues in general: I have found that when my little ones get croup, H2O2 in the humidifier works wonders. Maybe if you try that when you get a sinus infection. Plus, take anti-bacterial/anti-viral stuff internally: garlic, CS, etc just some thoughts...ct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 > > After reading the emails here about it, and reading online > about it's use in sinus infections (have chronic sinusitis) > and asthma (had since I was 3), I decided to try CS. CS kills single-celled organisms. If your asthma and sinusitis are not caused by a pathogen, CS is not likely to help. And, if anything, it looks like the nebulized CS is only exacerbating the problem. > Last night, I was coughing up a lot of gunk, and I didn't think > there was anything there! So I'm thinking that this is a Herz > reaction maybe? Does this sound right? That would be Herx, short for Herxheimer: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/herxheimer.html > I seem to be handling drinking the solution just fine. Will > it do the job? My experience with CS is that it can definitely hit infections far from where the CS was applied/ingested. I used to drink 8-12 oz of homemade CS daily to keep chronic epididymitis under control. But, it was never more than a disease maintenance protocol, because whenever I'd stop taking CS, the inflammation would return within days. After a couple years on CS, I got tired of being tied down to that routine, and I consulted with a medical intuitive who had me take megadoses of various supplements for six months (mostly anti-oxidants). As a result, the condition is now gone except for the occasional minor flare-up when my body gets run down or out of balance from eating the wrong foods. Some people take CS every day as a preventative, and properly made CS at 20 PPM or less will not turn you into a gray-skinned smurf. But, my gut feeling is that CS is something that is probably best not used all the time. My life experiences keep telling me that the best medicine is proper nutrition and lifestyle changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 On 3/5/07, ALLYN FERRIS <aferris7272@...> wrote: > Yes, my daughter takes Green Pastures CLO with butter oil. Yes, I should > have said the carotenes that convert to Vitamin A. I take palm oil everyday > but I am not sure I could get into my kids. LOL Your children might not be deficient in vitamin A, but it couldn't hurt to have them checked, or to experiment with higher doses. > I have not bought or used the new fermented clo and no one seems to have > much experience with it so I would be curious to see how people like it. I have some but haven't tried it yet. So far I've heard from one person who found it eaiser to digest (taste doesn't come up afterwards) but more importantly someone else said their spider veins went away when they used, which means it's probably very high in vitamin K2. >I have been taking liver tablets but not liver oil. What do they say is their vitamin A content? >I have never seen that so > do you know where you might find liver oil other than cod liver of course? I'm not sure what you mean, but if you're talking about vitamin A derived from fish liver oil you could find it at a health food store and probably even a grocery store under the vitamin A section. > My daughter has hazel eyes and my son brown. > What is the reason for the eye color? Just trying to figure out if there's any validity to the idea that people with light eyes have higher needs for vitamin A. Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 <Your children might not be deficient in vitamin A, but it couldn't hurt to have them checked, or to experiment with higher doses.> I have noticed since my daughter has been on cod liver oil I have not heard her complaining about her asthma at all. My son is 29 and I work very hard to get him to change some of his habits so I am going to see if he will take cod liver oil. He is ADHD and doesn't follow through to well. What do they say is their vitamin A content? Actually I have bought several brands and so far none have told me what the Vit. A content is only what the iron content is. I just ordered 6 bottles of Clo but next time I order I am going to try the fermented. That will be in about 6 months or so! LOL Thanks for info. Allyn _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Masterjohn Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 5:34 PM Subject: Re: Colloidal Silver On 3/5/07, ALLYN FERRIS <aferris7272@ <mailto:aferris7272%40verizon.net> verizon.net> wrote: > Yes, my daughter takes Green Pastures CLO with butter oil. Yes, I should > have said the carotenes that convert to Vitamin A. I take palm oil everyday > but I am not sure I could get into my kids. LOL Your children might not be deficient in vitamin A, but it couldn't hurt to have them checked, or to experiment with higher doses. > I have not bought or used the new fermented clo and no one seems to have > much experience with it so I would be curious to see how people like it. I have some but haven't tried it yet. So far I've heard from one person who found it eaiser to digest (taste doesn't come up afterwards) but more importantly someone else said their spider veins went away when they used, which means it's probably very high in vitamin K2. >I have been taking liver tablets but not liver oil. What do they say is their vitamin A content? >I have never seen that so > do you know where you might find liver oil other than cod liver of course? I'm not sure what you mean, but if you're talking about vitamin A derived from fish liver oil you could find it at a health food store and probably even a grocery store under the vitamin A section. > My daughter has hazel eyes and my son brown. > What is the reason for the eye color? Just trying to figure out if there's any validity to the idea that people with light eyes have higher needs for vitamin A. Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.choleste <http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com> rol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Allyn, > <Your children might not be deficient in vitamin A, but it couldn't > hurt to have them checked, or to experiment with higher doses.> > I have noticed since my daughter has been on cod liver oil I have not heard > her complaining about her asthma at all. My son is 29 and I work very hard > to get him to change some of his habits so I am going to see if he will take > cod liver oil. He is ADHD and doesn't follow through to well. Interesting. That supports the vitamin A deficiency theory. My summer allergies pretty much disappeared when I went WAPF. I've kind of forgotten about them actually. They were pretty bad. > Actually I have bought several brands and so far none have told me what the > Vit. A content is only what the iron content is. It probably has practically no vitamin A in it. A serving of liver has a lot of vitamin A, but a tablet is very little liver. > I just ordered 6 bottles of Clo but next time I order I am going to try the > fermented. That will be in about 6 months or so! LOL LOL. Ok, in the mean time, you can get your vitamin K2 from pastured egg yolks, hard cheese, natto if you can stand the smell, apparently goose liver, butter if it's from cows grazing on super-good grass, and if you want to supplement, Jarrow makes a good natural extract of natto and Thorne makes a good synthetic form, the latter of which is vastly cheaper dose per dose, though there's no data on comparative effectiveness. Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 <Ok, in the mean time, you can get your vitamin K2 from pastured yolks egg , hard cheese, natto if you can stand the smell, apparently goose liver, butter if it's from cows grazing on super-good grass, and> Well, we should be ok there because we eat good pastured eggs, raw hard cheese and butter oil. Thanks for the info. I will watch my DD to see how she improves as I know it takes time for the body to heal but I have seen the improvement with the asthma. This is the worst part of the year for her and I know she has had some allergies but it does not appear to be nearly as bad as previous years. Allyn _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Masterjohn Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 8:17 PM Subject: Re: Colloidal Silver Allyn, > <Your children might not be deficient in vitamin A, but it couldn't > hurt to have them checked, or to experiment with higher doses.> > I have noticed since my daughter has been on cod liver oil I have not heard > her complaining about her asthma at all. My son is 29 and I work very hard > to get him to change some of his habits so I am going to see if he will take > cod liver oil. He is ADHD and doesn't follow through to well. Interesting. That supports the vitamin A deficiency theory. My summer allergies pretty much disappeared when I went WAPF. I've kind of forgotten about them actually. They were pretty bad. > Actually I have bought several brands and so far none have told me what the > Vit. A content is only what the iron content is. It probably has practically no vitamin A in it. A serving of liver has a lot of vitamin A, but a tablet is very little liver. > I just ordered 6 bottles of Clo but next time I order I am going to try the > fermented. That will be in about 6 months or so! LOL LOL. Ok, in the mean time, you can get your vitamin K2 from pastured yolks egg , hard cheese, natto if you can stand the smell, apparently goose liver, butter if it's from cows grazing on super-good grass, and if you want to supplement, Jarrow makes a good natural extract of natto and Thorne makes a good synthetic form, the latter of which is vastly cheaper dose per dose, though there's no data on comparative effectiveness. Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.choleste <http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com> rol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 I recently bought 12 bottles! Yes, it's going to be awhile! LOL Leah On 3/5/07, ALLYN FERRIS <aferris7272@...> wrote: > > > I just ordered 6 bottles of Clo but next time I order I am going to try > the > fermented. That will be in about 6 months or so! LOL > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 In a message dated 09/05/2007 18:56:18 GMT Standard Time, truthism@... writes: Why not? >>because its a heavy metal Mandi in Uk (who does use it occasionally at 10ppm only) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Why not? On 5/9/07, andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@...> wrote: > > Don't ever use it, no matter what anyone says. > > Andy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Would you mind sharing why you don't recommend the colloidal silver?> Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 There are other reasons, but argyria is one... http://www.together.net/~rjstan/ Rene > > Would you mind sharing why you don't recommend the colloidal silver?> > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 I watched a show on the Discovery Health Channel recently and a woman was interviewed that used Colloidal Silver as nose drops for some kind of sinus issues. As she grew older, her skin turned completely gray because the silver builds up in the body. After watching this show, I determined I would never use it on myself or my children. Dana and Garrett, 3 years old as of Mar 24 SCD 10 months Celiac, ASD, Speech and Motor Apraxia --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Check the archives, just kidding, silver is a heavy metal and it just stands to reason that you shouldn't put a heavy metal into a person/child who has already demonstrated an inability to rid themselves of heavy metals. Re: [ ] Colloidal silver Why not? On 5/9/07, andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@...> wrote: > > Don't ever use it, no matter what anyone says. > > Andy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 > > > > Don't ever use it, no matter what anyone says. > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 I don't know much about colloidal silver, but the Environmental Working Group has some alarming things to say about nano particles. _www.ewg.org_ (http://www.ewg.org) . Nano particles are now showing up in cosmetics and skin creams and need further study. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 The consensus is not to use it. Silver is a heavy metal, it is poison. There are other ways to deal with germs that are safer. Check the archives. > > I am curious what people's opinions of colloidal silver are. > > Thanks. > > -- > Michele > > talithamichele@... > http://www.atraceofme.com > > If the base leaves, everybody loses: http://www.solanorail.org > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2007 Report Share Posted August 6, 2007 Hello Do you know of anybody ,that has used Colloidial gold with autistic childreen . Silver would be problematic , because of the toxicity issues , but what about gold salt , which is fairly neutral . Pierre Montreal que,Canada > > Don't ever use it, no matter what anyone says. > > Andy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 Dear : We have to remember that docs are just people with some schooling. Some are awful and some are good. Work with your doc to only do things you have researched and feel comfortable with. I meet people all the time who never question their doctor and think he knows everything because he is a doc. Well, these same people are not well. Thus, you have to do your own research and remember that docs are not " all-wise " . Heidi ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 I just read these posts and am horrified! Does the product called Argentyn 23 fall into the unsafe category? My daughter's DAN doctor prescribed it for her a few weeks ago, but since she was not handling all her supplements well, I stopped giving her the Argentyn 23 after about 5 days. I felt wary about giving her something containing a metal anyway until I understood exactly the purpose so haven't re-introduced yet. Why do some DAN doctors prescribe this stuff if it's not safe for our kids? What kind of conclusion or opinion should I be drawing of a DAN who prescribes this? > > > > > > Don't ever use it, no matter what anyone says. > > > > > > Andy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 How can I make a silver solution to use as external use. I thought I would throw silver coin in a bottle of weak acid, soak rags in that, and use that for pets. The minute amounts of silver in the rag should act as antibacterial. Have you noticed the idiotic and trendy " silver treated " socks they want to sell for $30? C'mon who they kiddn, silver the metal is not that expensive. I've got tons of old silver coin around, we all do. .. </HTML> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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