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On 05 Mar 2007 06:57:34 -0800, Suze Fisher <s.fisher22@...> wrote:

> You may not have a sinus *infection* if you have sinusitis and asthma so it

> may not do anything for you. knows some good things that help with

> asthma so maybe if you posted a question about that with *asthma* in the

> subject line you might get a response. Or you could search the WAPF

> chapterleaders archives on onibasu.com where he's posted info about this.

The most important things for treating asthma, I think, are vitamin A,

because there is a number of lines of evidence showing vitamin A

deficiency to be a cause of asthma and to be consisntently present,

and glutathione support, because glutathione is depleted in asthma --

namely, low-temperature treated whey protein (Jarrow is good as it is

non-hydrolyzed and therefore not high in glutamates) and selenium (400

mcg/day is generally good, an organic form like selenomethionine is

prefereable). There is also a study showing vitamin K2 to be of

benefit (Thorne is best).

Glutathione support is also very important for battling an infection,

so you are killing two birds with one stone in that sense.

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This is interesting information as my son and daughter have asthma. Would

the Vitamin A in palm oil be a good source in your opinion?

Allyn

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On 05 Mar 2007 06:57:34 -0800, Suze Fisher <s.fisher22verizon (DOT)

<mailto:s.fisher22%40verizon.net> net> wrote:

> You may not have a sinus *infection* if you have sinusitis and asthma so

it

> may not do anything for you. knows some good things that help with

> asthma so maybe if you posted a question about that with *asthma* in the

> subject line you might get a response. Or you could search the WAPF

> chapterleaders archives on onibasu.com where he's posted info about this.

The most important things for treating asthma, I think, are vitamin A,

because there is a number of lines of evidence showing vitamin A

deficiency to be a cause of asthma and to be consisntently present,

and glutathione support, because glutathione is depleted in asthma --

namely, low-temperature treated whey protein (Jarrow is good as it is

non-hydrolyzed and therefore not high in glutamates) and selenium (400

mcg/day is generally good, an organic form like selenomethionine is

prefereable). There is also a study showing vitamin K2 to be of

benefit (Thorne is best).

Glutathione support is also very important for battling an infection,

so you are killing two birds with one stone in that sense.

Chris

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On 3/5/07, ALLYN FERRIS <aferris7272@...> wrote:

> This is interesting information as my son and daughter have asthma. Would

> the Vitamin A in palm oil be a good source in your opinion?

Palm oil does not contain vitamin A; however, the carotenes in it are

converted highly efficiently compared to basically any other source of

carotenes. I think palm oil is probably a good addition to the diet

in most circumstances, but I would not rely on it as the sole source

of vitamin A. I would use a teaspoon of high-vitamin cod liver oil,

preferably the fermented cod liver oil that Green Pastures is now

selling, and ideally liver, however if you are opposed to liver I

would experiment with a vitamin A supplement derived from fish liver

oil, or with upping the cod liver oil. You could try adding in a

tablespoon of the red palm oil, which has other beneficial vitamins

and antioxidants also. I have mixed feelings about high doses of cod

liver oil because of all the polyunsaturated fat.

What color are your children's eyes?

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Yes, my daughter takes Green Pastures CLO with butter oil. Yes, I should

have said the carotenes that convert to Vitamin A. I take palm oil everyday

but I am not sure I could get into my kids. LOL

I have not bought or used the new fermented clo and no one seems to have

much experience with it so I would be curious to see how people like it. I

have been taking liver tablets but not liver oil. I have never seen that so

do you know where you might find liver oil other than cod liver of course?

My daughter has hazel eyes and my son brown.

What is the reason for the eye color?

Allyn

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On 3/5/07, ALLYN FERRIS <aferris7272@ <mailto:aferris7272%40verizon.net>

verizon.net> wrote:

> This is interesting information as my son and daughter have asthma. Would

> the Vitamin A in palm oil be a good source in your opinion?

Palm oil does not contain vitamin A; however, the carotenes in it are

converted highly efficiently compared to basically any other source of

carotenes. I think palm oil is probably a good addition to the diet

in most circumstances, but I would not rely on it as the sole source

of vitamin A. I would use a teaspoon of high-vitamin cod liver oil,

preferably the fermented cod liver oil that Green Pastures is now

selling, and ideally liver, however if you are opposed to liver I

would experiment with a vitamin A supplement derived from fish liver

oil, or with upping the cod liver oil. You could try adding in a

tablespoon of the red palm oil, which has other beneficial vitamins

and antioxidants also. I have mixed feelings about high doses of cod

liver oil because of all the polyunsaturated fat.

What color are your children's eyes?

Chris

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CS is great for what it is meant for...it has anti-bacterial properties.

Asthma is not caused by bacteria..so, CS wouldn't be good for that. You

would need to do things to help with inflamation and allergies. Carbs/sugars

cause inflamation, brolamain (sp?) helps inflamation, Omega-3 oils help with

inflamation, etc.

As for lung issues in general: I have found that when my little ones get

croup, H2O2 in the humidifier works wonders. Maybe if you try that when you

get a sinus infection. Plus, take anti-bacterial/anti-viral stuff

internally: garlic, CS, etc

just some thoughts...ct

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I use food grade H2O2 in my daughter's humidifier for her asthma and she

tells me it helps. She is almost 19.

Allyn

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Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:15 AM

Subject: Re: Colloidal Silver

CS is great for what it is meant for...it has anti-bacterial properties.

Asthma is not caused by bacteria..so, CS wouldn't be good for that. You

would need to do things to help with inflamation and allergies. Carbs/sugars

cause inflamation, brolamain (sp?) helps inflamation, Omega-3 oils help with

inflamation, etc.

As for lung issues in general: I have found that when my little ones get

croup, H2O2 in the humidifier works wonders. Maybe if you try that when you

get a sinus infection. Plus, take anti-bacterial/anti-viral stuff

internally: garlic, CS, etc

just some thoughts...ct

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> After reading the emails here about it, and reading online

> about it's use in sinus infections (have chronic sinusitis)

> and asthma (had since I was 3), I decided to try CS.

CS kills single-celled organisms. If your asthma and sinusitis are not

caused by a pathogen, CS is not likely to help. And, if anything, it

looks like the nebulized CS is only exacerbating the problem.

> Last night, I was coughing up a lot of gunk, and I didn't think

> there was anything there! So I'm thinking that this is a Herz

> reaction maybe? Does this sound right?

That would be Herx, short for Herxheimer:

http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/herxheimer.html

> I seem to be handling drinking the solution just fine. Will

> it do the job?

My experience with CS is that it can definitely hit infections far

from where the CS was applied/ingested. I used to drink 8-12 oz of

homemade CS daily to keep chronic epididymitis under control. But, it

was never more than a disease maintenance protocol, because whenever

I'd stop taking CS, the inflammation would return within days. After a

couple years on CS, I got tired of being tied down to that routine,

and I consulted with a medical intuitive who had me take megadoses of

various supplements for six months (mostly anti-oxidants). As a

result, the condition is now gone except for the occasional minor

flare-up when my body gets run down or out of balance from eating the

wrong foods.

Some people take CS every day as a preventative, and properly made CS

at 20 PPM or less will not turn you into a gray-skinned smurf. But, my

gut feeling is that CS is something that is probably best not used all

the time. My life experiences keep telling me that the best medicine

is proper nutrition and lifestyle changes.

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On 3/5/07, ALLYN FERRIS <aferris7272@...> wrote:

> Yes, my daughter takes Green Pastures CLO with butter oil. Yes, I should

> have said the carotenes that convert to Vitamin A. I take palm oil everyday

> but I am not sure I could get into my kids. LOL

Your children might not be deficient in vitamin A, but it couldn't

hurt to have them checked, or to experiment with higher doses.

> I have not bought or used the new fermented clo and no one seems to have

> much experience with it so I would be curious to see how people like it.

I have some but haven't tried it yet. So far I've heard from one

person who found it eaiser to digest (taste doesn't come up

afterwards) but more importantly someone else said their spider veins

went away when they used, which means it's probably very high in

vitamin K2.

>I have been taking liver tablets but not liver oil.

What do they say is their vitamin A content?

>I have never seen that so

> do you know where you might find liver oil other than cod liver of course?

I'm not sure what you mean, but if you're talking about vitamin A

derived from fish liver oil you could find it at a health food store

and probably even a grocery store under the vitamin A section.

> My daughter has hazel eyes and my son brown.

> What is the reason for the eye color?

Just trying to figure out if there's any validity to the idea that

people with light eyes have higher needs for vitamin A.

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<Your children might not be deficient in vitamin A, but it couldn't

hurt to have them checked, or to experiment with higher doses.>

I have noticed since my daughter has been on cod liver oil I have not heard

her complaining about her asthma at all. My son is 29 and I work very hard

to get him to change some of his habits so I am going to see if he will take

cod liver oil. He is ADHD and doesn't follow through to well.

What do they say is their vitamin A content?

Actually I have bought several brands and so far none have told me what the

Vit. A content is only what the iron content is.

I just ordered 6 bottles of Clo but next time I order I am going to try the

fermented. That will be in about 6 months or so! LOL

Thanks for info.

Allyn

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Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 5:34 PM

Subject: Re: Colloidal Silver

On 3/5/07, ALLYN FERRIS <aferris7272@ <mailto:aferris7272%40verizon.net>

verizon.net> wrote:

> Yes, my daughter takes Green Pastures CLO with butter oil. Yes, I should

> have said the carotenes that convert to Vitamin A. I take palm oil

everyday

> but I am not sure I could get into my kids. LOL

Your children might not be deficient in vitamin A, but it couldn't

hurt to have them checked, or to experiment with higher doses.

> I have not bought or used the new fermented clo and no one seems to have

> much experience with it so I would be curious to see how people like it.

I have some but haven't tried it yet. So far I've heard from one

person who found it eaiser to digest (taste doesn't come up

afterwards) but more importantly someone else said their spider veins

went away when they used, which means it's probably very high in

vitamin K2.

>I have been taking liver tablets but not liver oil.

What do they say is their vitamin A content?

>I have never seen that so

> do you know where you might find liver oil other than cod liver of course?

I'm not sure what you mean, but if you're talking about vitamin A

derived from fish liver oil you could find it at a health food store

and probably even a grocery store under the vitamin A section.

> My daughter has hazel eyes and my son brown.

> What is the reason for the eye color?

Just trying to figure out if there's any validity to the idea that

people with light eyes have higher needs for vitamin A.

Chris

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Allyn,

> <Your children might not be deficient in vitamin A, but it couldn't

> hurt to have them checked, or to experiment with higher doses.>

> I have noticed since my daughter has been on cod liver oil I have not heard

> her complaining about her asthma at all. My son is 29 and I work very hard

> to get him to change some of his habits so I am going to see if he will take

> cod liver oil. He is ADHD and doesn't follow through to well.

Interesting. That supports the vitamin A deficiency theory. My

summer allergies pretty much disappeared when I went WAPF. I've kind

of forgotten about them actually. They were pretty bad.

> Actually I have bought several brands and so far none have told me what the

> Vit. A content is only what the iron content is.

It probably has practically no vitamin A in it. A serving of liver

has a lot of vitamin A, but a tablet is very little liver.

> I just ordered 6 bottles of Clo but next time I order I am going to try the

> fermented. That will be in about 6 months or so! LOL

LOL. Ok, in the mean time, you can get your vitamin K2 from pastured

egg yolks, hard cheese, natto if you can stand the smell, apparently

goose liver, butter if it's from cows grazing on super-good grass, and

if you want to supplement, Jarrow makes a good natural extract of

natto and Thorne makes a good synthetic form, the latter of which is

vastly cheaper dose per dose, though there's no data on comparative

effectiveness.

Chris

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<Ok, in the mean time, you can get your vitamin K2 from pastured yolks egg ,

hard cheese, natto if you can stand the smell, apparently

goose liver, butter if it's from cows grazing on super-good grass, and>

Well, we should be ok there because we eat good pastured eggs, raw hard

cheese and butter oil.

Thanks for the info. I will watch my DD to see how she improves as I know

it takes time for the body to heal but I have seen the improvement with the

asthma. This is the worst part of the year for her and I know she has had

some allergies but it does not appear to be nearly as bad as previous years.

Allyn

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Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 8:17 PM

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Allyn,

> <Your children might not be deficient in vitamin A, but it couldn't

> hurt to have them checked, or to experiment with higher doses.>

> I have noticed since my daughter has been on cod liver oil I have not

heard

> her complaining about her asthma at all. My son is 29 and I work very hard

> to get him to change some of his habits so I am going to see if he will

take

> cod liver oil. He is ADHD and doesn't follow through to well.

Interesting. That supports the vitamin A deficiency theory. My

summer allergies pretty much disappeared when I went WAPF. I've kind

of forgotten about them actually. They were pretty bad.

> Actually I have bought several brands and so far none have told me what

the

> Vit. A content is only what the iron content is.

It probably has practically no vitamin A in it. A serving of liver

has a lot of vitamin A, but a tablet is very little liver.

> I just ordered 6 bottles of Clo but next time I order I am going to try

the

> fermented. That will be in about 6 months or so! LOL

LOL.

Ok, in the mean time, you can get your vitamin K2 from pastured yolks egg ,

hard cheese, natto if you can stand the smell, apparently

goose liver, butter if it's from cows grazing on super-good grass, and

if you want to supplement, Jarrow makes a good natural extract of

natto and Thorne makes a good synthetic form, the latter of which is

vastly cheaper dose per dose, though there's no data on comparative

effectiveness.

Chris

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I recently bought 12 bottles! Yes, it's going to be awhile! LOL

Leah

On 3/5/07, ALLYN FERRIS <aferris7272@...> wrote:

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>

> I just ordered 6 bottles of Clo but next time I order I am going to try

> the

> fermented. That will be in about 6 months or so! LOL

>

>

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In a message dated 09/05/2007 18:56:18 GMT Standard Time, truthism@...

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Why not?

>>because its a heavy metal

Mandi in Uk (who does use it occasionally at 10ppm only)

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I watched a show on the Discovery Health Channel recently and a woman was

interviewed that used Colloidal Silver as nose drops for some kind of sinus

issues. As she grew older, her skin turned completely gray because the silver

builds up in the body. After watching this show, I determined I would never use

it on myself or my children.

Dana

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Check the archives, just kidding, silver is a heavy metal and it just stands to

reason that you shouldn't put a heavy metal into a person/child who has already

demonstrated an inability to rid themselves of heavy metals.

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Why not?

On 5/9/07, andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@...> wrote:

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> Don't ever use it, no matter what anyone says.

>

> Andy

>

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I don't know much about colloidal silver, but the Environmental Working Group

has some alarming things to say about nano particles. _www.ewg.org_

(http://www.ewg.org) . Nano particles are now showing up in cosmetics and skin

creams

and need further study.

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The consensus is not to use it.

Silver is a heavy metal, it is poison. There are other ways to deal

with germs that are safer. Check the archives.

>

> I am curious what people's opinions of colloidal silver are.

>

> Thanks.

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Hello

Do you know of anybody ,that has used Colloidial gold with autistic

childreen .

Silver would be problematic , because of the toxicity issues , but

what about gold salt , which is fairly neutral .

Pierre

Montreal que,Canada

>

> Don't ever use it, no matter what anyone says.

>

> Andy

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Dear :

We have to remember that docs are just people with some schooling. Some are

awful and some are good. Work with your doc to only do things you have

researched and feel comfortable with. I meet people all the time who never

question their doctor and think he knows everything because he is a doc. Well,

these same people are not well. Thus, you have to do your own research and

remember that docs are not " all-wise " .

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I just read these posts and am horrified! Does the product called

Argentyn 23 fall into the unsafe category? My daughter's DAN doctor

prescribed it for her a few weeks ago, but since she was not

handling all her supplements well, I stopped giving her the Argentyn

23 after about 5 days. I felt wary about giving her something

containing a metal anyway until I understood exactly the purpose so

haven't re-introduced yet.

Why do some DAN doctors prescribe this stuff if it's not safe for

our kids? What kind of conclusion or opinion should I be drawing of

a DAN who prescribes this?

> > >

> > > Don't ever use it, no matter what anyone says.

> > >

> > > Andy

> > >

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How can I make a silver solution to use as external use. I thought I would

throw silver coin in a bottle of weak acid, soak rags in that, and use that for

pets. The minute amounts of silver in the rag should act as antibacterial.

Have you noticed the idiotic and trendy " silver treated " socks they want to sell

for $30? C'mon who they kiddn, silver the metal is not that expensive. I've

got tons of old silver coin around, we all do.

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