Re: when ocd strikes

April 1, 2008

Hi DC,

My son's therapist first started working on his excessive hand

washing. He was washing his hands for 10 min or more at a time and

using so much liquid hand soap that he was going thru an 80 oz refill

bottle in 1 week. He wasn't using the soap dispenser anymore;

pouring it straight from the refill bottle. I was tempted to buy

stock in Softsoap ( I think they actually sent us a card at Christmas

this year ROFL ) Anyway, the therapist had him cut down the time to

30 sec and he had to use the soap dispenser and only 2 pumps of

soap. He had to record his anxiety right after washing, then 10 min

later, then after 20 min. This was to show him how the anxiety would

come down on its own without him having to keep washing his hands.

That really did help him. His hand washing is much better now. He's

kind of stuck on the next homework the therapist gave him. She's

been trying different things and adjusting it. One of the things she

just suggested was for him to get a voice recorder and record his

coping statements that the therapist and him came up with. He is

supposed to set the playback to repeat and have the recorder play and

keep repeating the coping statements while he is working on the

homework. We'll see if that helps.

Hope this info helps. Hang in the and take care.

Connie

April 1, 2008

Hi. BPD, is Bipolar Disorder, also called Manic Depression. Rage is a

symptom of it . ..Not meaning that is what your daughter is dealing

with. It sounds like she was evaluated and diagnosed, and it seems

that would be evident during the evaluation.

Josh is now 16. He was diagnosed at 8?, 9?, 10? Gee, can't really

remember. Looking back, he always showed signs of OCD.

He deals with physical rituals and instrusive thoughts, along with

Generalized Anxiety Disorder.

He has gone through bathroom issues, to hand washing. It has changed

over the years. For many years, we struggled through it, part of that

time not knowing what we were dealing with. He went on medication

when it got so bad he could not leave the house. He couldn't be that

far from a bathroom. He would spend hours in the bathroom, telling us

it felt like he couldn't get all of his pee out. I had NO clue (then)

it was OCD related. He dealt with it for three years, and docs had no

clue. I'm surprised it didn't scar him, mentally, for life, coping

with that for so long. The turning point for us was suspecting it was

OCD, and trying medication. Within a week, he was doing better.

Within two, his bathroom problems disappeared. He tells me he doesn't

really even remember it now. Thankfully.

Other issues for him have been clothing sensitivity, hoarding,

flipping light switches, things needing to be at the " correct " angle,

lining things up, counting, repetitive thoughts, scrupulosity, etc.

After a few years, we took him off of his meds to see if he could live

without them, and he did well for about 8 months. Then, he relapsed

REALLY hard. He was the worst he had ever been. He couldn't eat or

sleep, and spent most of the day on the sofa, white faced, in the

fetal position. We started meds again, immediately. . But, because

they take a while to work and he was so bad, it was months before he

started to snap out of it. I started aggressively searching for a

qualified therapist. It took me three months, but I finally found one.

We started seeing him and Josh started working on his OCD. He has

been doing ERP (exposure and response/ritual prevention), and slowly

losing his rituals. Most are going away, but some are just lessening

to the point that he can ignore them. We are still working and have

the " thoughts " to deal with yet. Between the correct therapy and

medication, he is doing much better.

Is your daughter's bathroom issues only handwashing, or is there a

problem with urinating too? It is not uncommon for kids with OCD to

have issues going to the bathroom.

A good, qualified therapist is hard to find, but oh so worth it.

If you can't find one, or can't afford one, there are a few books that

are written to help walk you through treatment at home. We tried

them, but found our son responded better with a psychologist. He

feels he has to answer to the psychologist, so it encourages him to be

accountable. Plus, the therapist seems to be able to talk him into

doing things that I can't.

The books, if you are interested are. . .

Talking Back to OCD by March

Helping your Child with OCD by Lee Fitzgibbons and Cherry Pedrick

The whole point with ERP is to desensitize yourself to the rituals,

until they lose the power over you, they have. One example of ERP

that our son did was,. . . . He had issues with having to make sure

ALL drawers throughout our house, were shut. He would run his hand

down the fronts of the drawers to make 100% positive, that they were

shut, even though he could see with his eyes they were. His homework

was to purposely leave a few drawers in each room, ajar. He was not

allowed to shut them. When that did not make his " uncomfortableness "

drop enough, he had to open a drawer and look at it for 15 minutes a

day. Eventually, his NEED to have the drawers closed, left.

I said " uncomfortableness " above (even though it's probably not a real

word <grin>) because with his OCD, he felt things needed to be " just

right " . Some kids have anxiety attached to their rituals, but some

just need it to feel right.

Hope some of this was helpful. )

BJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)))))). I'm sorry your own scrupulosity

> is

> > > > > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and

> your

> > > kid's

> > > > > OCD

> > > > > > at the same time. ( <sigh>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hugs and Prayers,

> > > > > > BJ

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 1, 2008

Hi, just wondering what meds helped Josh??? Thanks

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)))))). I'm sorry your own

scrupulosity

> > is

> > > > > > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and

> > your

> > > > kid's

> > > > > > OCD

> > > > > > > at the same time. ( <sigh>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hugs and Prayers,

> > > > > > > BJ

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 1, 2008

DC,

The doctor explained to my son and, most importantly, ME that under state law, a

minor is not allowed to own property, money, nothing. So everything in our house

is mine and my husband's and we only allow our son to use it. Therefore, he has

no right to destroy any of our property. He has no rights, basically, only

privileges.

And in our last session, when my son got angry with me and threatened to hit me,

the doctor said, " If I have any inkling that you have laid a hand on this woman,

I will personally call the police, have them pull your car over and take you

into custody. Assault is against the law. " Had I not been so scared and

surprised myself, I might not have been able to keep a straight face!

As for the " fits " , he told my son that was the way a three year old acts, not an

eight year old. He said when my son started to throw a fit, I should do this

thing with my hand--make a scissors motion and say " Cut " ...make a fist pounding

motion and say " It " ...stick my thumb out over my shoulder and say " OUT " . If he

hasn't pulled himself together by then, he's out of wherever we are and into

time out.

In short, we're talking ZERO tolerance, which is a lot less than I had been

using.

That's all I can remember. Maybe you can use some of this. Again, this son

wasn't OCD, so it was probably a simpler situation.

Re: when ocd strikes

,

Thanks for the reply. It's funny you mention the noise issue,. I

remember when my daughter was first having all these problems, she

was complaining about people talking to loud and the people she ws

complaining about were talking at a normal level! I also remember

her lying in bed at night screamming acrossed the hallway to my other

daughters room. SHe was yelling at us to be quite she couldn't sleep-

we were whispering!

What did your dr. do with your son??? I would love to get her off

this negative defiant kick!!!!!

DC

> > > >

> > > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)) )))). I'm sorry your own scrupulosity

is

> > > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and your

> kid's

> > > OCD

> > > > at the same time. ( <sigh>

> > > >

> > > > Hugs and Prayers,

> > > > BJ

> > >

> >

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April 1, 2008

I just wanted to thank everyone for sharing their stories about

themselves and their children. It's quite the " silent " fight and it

is so helpful hearing from other people and the advice is sooo

helpful. Glad to hear things are looking up.

Candi

---

In , " svdbyhislove "

wrote:

>

> I'm really glad you are here. :-) And I'm really glad you have

this

> place where you can talk, and be understood. It's really hard when

> nobody gets it. Even my sister doesn't really get it, and my

nephew

> has OCD. But, he is much less severe than our son, so she's never

had

> to deal with some of the stuff we've had to.

>

> I know it always helps me to talk to others who can relate and are

> going through the same things.

>

> It's not a " misery loves company " situation, although OCD can make

for

> misery. But, rather, I think it is a " not feeling so alone "

thing. .

> Not feeling isolated.

>

> And there is always the bonus of sharing information on what has

worked.

>

> Hugs to you.

>

> BJ

>

> > > >*****************

> > > I have read that traumatic events can bring on OCD symptoms

earlier

> > > than they would have otherwise.

> > > ******************

> > >

> > > Connie, did it say it would increase the severity too? I

suspect

> > the

> > > answer is yes, because I know even now every little bump in

the road

> > > can stir things up. Even a common cold here.

> > >

> > > I have to say, I noticed things when Josh was young, that I

NOW know

> > > were OCD at work. But his behavior increased a lot when I had

some

> > > serious health problems. The night I spent in the hospital in

> > > critical care, was really hard on him. My husband said he

couldn't

> > > sleep and he cried on and off all night, wanting me there. It

was a

> > > lot for a 4 year old to deal with. I know the following

months were

> > > traumatic, with trips to the ER in ambulances, etc., some

where he

> > > rode with me. He still remembers it. That's not good for

any

> > > child, but in a child with OCD, it's got to add to the anxiety.

> > >

> > > Yet, I've also read it can hit at a certain age.

> > >

> > > Here is a quote from Dr. Aureen Wagner's book. . .

> > >

> > > " OCD usually appears between the ages of seven and 12, and most

> > > commonly around age 10. It can begin as early as ages three

to five

> > > for children with a strong family history of OCD. About half

of the

> > > adults who have OCD say their symptoms began before age 15.

Most

> > > people with OCD develop it before the age of 25. Only 15%

develop

> > it

> > > after the age of 35. Boys with OCD tend to develop it earlier

than

> > > girls, typically before the age of 12. Girls' symptoms are

likely

> > to

> > > starrt during early adolescence. "

> > >

> > > I'm sure traumatic events are never helpful though.

> > >

> > > I'm glad you all got out of the fire safely, Connie. How

scary.

> > >

> > > BJ

> > >

> > > ******************

> > > >

> > > > Hi Candi,

> > > >

> > > > We've only known that our 17 yr old son has OCD for

about the

> > > last 6

> > > > months or so. But now that I know so much more about OCD, I

know

> > he had

> > > > symptoms when he was much younger. In fact, I think he

first

> > started

> > > > having symptoms at age 4 or 5. When he was 4 1/2, we had a

house

> > fire.

> > > > We were home at the time, but everyone got out safely.

However,

> > it was

> > > > very traumatic for all of us. Now when I look back, I can

recall

> > that

> > > > about that time, he had a peculiar way of playing with his

cars.

> > Judy

> > > > mentioned her son lining up cars; our son did that. They

had to

> > be

> > > > lined up perfectly. When he would park the cars, he had to

pull

> > them

> > > > into their parking spot, pull them back out, then back in,

etc.

> > until he

> > > > was finally satisfied they were parked just right. At the

time I

> > just

> > > > thought he had an interesting way of playing with his cars.

His

> > OCD

> > > > symptoms have always been very mild until recently here. I

have

> > read

> > > > that traumatic events can bring on OCD symptoms earlier than

they

> > would

> > > > have otherwise.

> > > >

> > > > Connie

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 1, 2008

I just wanted to thank everyone for sharing their stories about

themselves and their children. It's quite the " silent " fight and it

is so helpful hearing from other people and the advice is sooo

helpful. Glad to hear things are looking up.

Candi

---

In , " svdbyhislove "

wrote:

>

> I'm really glad you are here. :-) And I'm really glad you have

this

> place where you can talk, and be understood. It's really hard when

> nobody gets it. Even my sister doesn't really get it, and my

nephew

> has OCD. But, he is much less severe than our son, so she's never

had

> to deal with some of the stuff we've had to.

>

> I know it always helps me to talk to others who can relate and are

> going through the same things.

>

> It's not a " misery loves company " situation, although OCD can make

for

> misery. But, rather, I think it is a " not feeling so alone "

thing. .

> Not feeling isolated.

>

> And there is always the bonus of sharing information on what has

worked.

>

> Hugs to you.

>

> BJ

>

> > > >*****************

> > > I have read that traumatic events can bring on OCD symptoms

earlier

> > > than they would have otherwise.

> > > ******************

> > >

> > > Connie, did it say it would increase the severity too? I

suspect

> > the

> > > answer is yes, because I know even now every little bump in

the road

> > > can stir things up. Even a common cold here.

> > >

> > > I have to say, I noticed things when Josh was young, that I

NOW know

> > > were OCD at work. But his behavior increased a lot when I had

some

> > > serious health problems. The night I spent in the hospital in

> > > critical care, was really hard on him. My husband said he

couldn't

> > > sleep and he cried on and off all night, wanting me there. It

was a

> > > lot for a 4 year old to deal with. I know the following

months were

> > > traumatic, with trips to the ER in ambulances, etc., some

where he

> > > rode with me. He still remembers it. That's not good for

any

> > > child, but in a child with OCD, it's got to add to the anxiety.

> > >

> > > Yet, I've also read it can hit at a certain age.

> > >

> > > Here is a quote from Dr. Aureen Wagner's book. . .

> > >

> > > " OCD usually appears between the ages of seven and 12, and most

> > > commonly around age 10. It can begin as early as ages three

to five

> > > for children with a strong family history of OCD. About half

of the

> > > adults who have OCD say their symptoms began before age 15.

Most

> > > people with OCD develop it before the age of 25. Only 15%

develop

> > it

> > > after the age of 35. Boys with OCD tend to develop it earlier

than

> > > girls, typically before the age of 12. Girls' symptoms are

likely

> > to

> > > starrt during early adolescence. "

> > >

> > > I'm sure traumatic events are never helpful though.

> > >

> > > I'm glad you all got out of the fire safely, Connie. How

scary.

> > >

> > > BJ

> > >

> > > ******************

> > > >

> > > > Hi Candi,

> > > >

> > > > We've only known that our 17 yr old son has OCD for

about the

> > > last 6

> > > > months or so. But now that I know so much more about OCD, I

know

> > he had

> > > > symptoms when he was much younger. In fact, I think he

first

> > started

> > > > having symptoms at age 4 or 5. When he was 4 1/2, we had a

house

> > fire.

> > > > We were home at the time, but everyone got out safely.

However,

> > it was

> > > > very traumatic for all of us. Now when I look back, I can

recall

> > that

> > > > about that time, he had a peculiar way of playing with his

cars.

> > Judy

> > > > mentioned her son lining up cars; our son did that. They

had to

> > be

> > > > lined up perfectly. When he would park the cars, he had to

pull

> > them

> > > > into their parking spot, pull them back out, then back in,

etc.

> > until he

> > > > was finally satisfied they were parked just right. At the

time I

> > just

> > > > thought he had an interesting way of playing with his cars.

His

> > OCD

> > > > symptoms have always been very mild until recently here. I

have

> > read

> > > > that traumatic events can bring on OCD symptoms earlier than

they

> > would

> > > > have otherwise.

> > > >

> > > > Connie

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

April 1, 2008

DC - I was trying ot read up on some of your recent posts..you

mentioned how your dd thought everyone was talking loud, or yelling

at her sister to keep quiet when you all were whispering. Some

children with sensory issues have obviously, a heightened sensitivity

to things. ie. clothing, loudness, touch, etc. Everything that you

mentioned in the beginning.

I do not mean to ask you this in a way to come off harsh, but how

long have you let her storm out when something doesn't go her way, or

placated her so you didn't have to deal with the meltdowns? Do you

all feel like you walk around on egg shells around her? Also, when

you are calm at first does she push, push, push until you finally

start to yell?

My dd was almost 9 when she was diagnosed with OCD (intrusive

thought, just right) and of being a highly sensitive child. She

wouldn't have fits of rage but she would definitely have major

meltdowns. Tears. But she did because SHE KNEW we would eventually

cave into her demands.

Some very simple things you could try (and it will take time - it

won't happen over night) 5 minute warnings: dinner in 5 min. then

count down every min. Same with TV or anything she is involved or

focused on.

But first, I would get down to her level and look in her eyes and say

that things need to change around here. Say to her... " I know you

don't like it when...(fill in the blank) so mommy and daddy are going

to start (1) letting you know 5 min. ahead of time when you need to

come to dinner or turn off tv or go get ready for bed. (2) We will

not tolerate the outbursts. If you get explosive, then you will have

a time-out in your room or we will take away (blank) Something that

she loves to do...tv, color, whatever it is. Remember, she is 8 and

it will tak elots of patience to undue a behavior that she has

probably had for quite awhile that you have now just realized has

gotten impossible. That is why people normally seek help. I can tell

you that is why we did. She was always a little OCD (lol) I called

them quirks. Much that were similar to you dd's. But it wasn't until

it changed its course and reared it's ugly " intrusive head " that we

sought help. But you and your husband have got to be on the same page

and be calm and patient. You should get the Highly Sensitive Child

book.

Again, my dd didn't have the explosive temper, she was more a crier

and we were walking around on egg shells. She got away with it. But

through determination and instilling boundaries and what was

acceptable, did we see things change. Kids hear us loud and clear

without the yelling. And sometimes, through all that yelling - no one

is heard - so someone always has to yell louder. Try to be patient

and firm and work with one behavior at a time. And compliment her

when she isn't explosive or when she comes to dinner when her 5 min.

warning is up.

I hope I have helped a little. Please now that it is harder to write

everything down in a gentle way. I really know how you are feeling

and am just giving what worked for us. Let me know your thoughts.

Hugs.

> > > > >

> > > > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)) )))). I'm sorry your own scrupulosity

> is

> > > > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and your

> > kid's

> > > > OCD

> > > > > at the same time. ( <sigh>

> > > > >

> > > > > Hugs and Prayers,

> > > > > BJ

> > > >

> > >

> >

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> > font-family: Arial;}

> > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd{

> > margin:10px 0px;font-weight: bold;font- size:78%; line-height:

122%;}

> > #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad{

> > margin-bottom: 10px;padding: 0 0;}

> > -->

> >

> > <!--

> >

> > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px; font-family: arial, helvetica,

> clean, sans-serif;}

> > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit; font:100% ;}

> > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica,

> clean, sans-serif;}

> > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;}

> > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em;}

> > #ygrp-text{

> > font-family: Georgia;

> > }

> > #ygrp-text p{

> > margin:0 0 1em 0;}

> > #ygrp-tpmsgs{

> > font-family: Arial;

> > clear:both;}

> > #ygrp-vitnav{

> > padding-top: 10px;font- family:Verdana; font-size: 77%;margin: 0;}

> > #ygrp-vitnav a{

> > padding:0 1px;}

> > #ygrp-actbar{

> > clear:both;margin: 25px 0;white-space: nowrap;color: #666;text-

> align:right; }

> > #ygrp-actbar .left{

> > float:left;white- space:nowrap; }

> > .bld{font-weight: bold;}

> > #ygrp-grft{

> > font-family: Verdana;font- size:77%; padding:15px 0;}

> > #ygrp-ft{

> > font-family: verdana;font- size:77%; border-top: 1px solid #666;

> > padding:5px 0;

> > }

> > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{

> > padding-bottom: 10px;}

> >

> > #ygrp-reco {

> > margin-bottom: 20px;padding: 0px;}

> > #ygrp-reco #reco-head {

> > font-weight: bold;color: #ff7900;}

> >

> > #reco-grpname{

> > font-weight: bold;margin- top:10px; }

> > #reco-category{

> > font-size:77% ;}

> > #reco-desc{

> > font-size:77% ;}

> >

> > #ygrp-vital{

> > background-color: #e0ecee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:2px 0 8px

8px;}

> > #ygrp-vital #vithd{

> > font-size:77% ;font-family: Verdana;font- weight:bold;

color:#333; text-

> transform:uppercase ;}

> > #ygrp-vital ul{

> > padding:0;margin: 2px 0;}

> > #ygrp-vital ul li{

> > list-style-type: none;clear: both;border: 1px solid #e0ecee;

> > }

> > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{

> > font-weight: bold;color: #ff7900;float: right;width: 2em;text-

> align:right; padding-right: .5em;}

> > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{

> > font-weight: bold;}

> > #ygrp-vital a{

> > text-decoration: none;}

> >

> > #ygrp-vital a:hover{

> > text-decoration: underline; }

> >

> > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{

> > color:#999;font- size:77%; }

> > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{

> > padding:6px 13px;background- color:#e0ecee; margin-bottom: 20px;}

> > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{

> > padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0; }

> > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{

> > list-style-type: square;padding: 6px 0;font-size: 77%;}

> > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{

> > text-decoration: none;font- size:130% ;}

> > #ygrp-sponsor #nc{

> > background-color: #eee;margin- bottom:20px; padding:0 8px;}

> > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{

> > padding:8px 0;}

> > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{

> > font-family: Arial;font- weight:bold; color:#628c2a; font-

> size:100%;line- height:122% ;}

> > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{

> > text-decoration: none;}

> > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{

> > text-decoration: underline; }

> > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{

> > margin:0;}

> > o{font-size: 0;}

> > .MsoNormal{

> > margin:0 0 0 0;}

> > #ygrp-text tt{

> > font-size:120% ;}

> > blockquote{margin: 0 0 0 4px;}

> > .replbq{margin: 4;}

> > -->

> >

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