Re: when ocd strikes

[Guest guest]

Hi Candi,

With my dd, I knew something was wrong the day she was born. She was always

screaming, never ate right , etc. She never went through any type of trauma. It

was as though she was born with this.

My son on the other hand did a few OCD type things, like hand flapping his hands

and lining up cars when he was 2-3 yrs old. He ended up having his tonsils and

adenoids out at age 4, and a couple of months after the surgery, his OCD came on

full force with violent horrible intrusive thoughts. I always wondered with him,

if that had anything to do with it.

Hugs

Judy

[Guest guest]

Hi Candi,

We've only known that our 17 yr old son has OCD for about the last 6

months or so. But now that I know so much more about OCD, I know he had

symptoms when he was much younger. In fact, I think he first started

having symptoms at age 4 or 5. When he was 4 1/2, we had a house fire.

We were home at the time, but everyone got out safely. However, it was

very traumatic for all of us. Now when I look back, I can recall that

about that time, he had a peculiar way of playing with his cars. Judy

mentioned her son lining up cars; our son did that. They had to be

lined up perfectly. When he would park the cars, he had to pull them

into their parking spot, pull them back out, then back in, etc. until he

was finally satisfied they were parked just right. At the time I just

thought he had an interesting way of playing with his cars. His OCD

symptoms have always been very mild until recently here. I have read

that traumatic events can bring on OCD symptoms earlier than they would

have otherwise.

Connie

[Guest guest]

Candi,

I often wonder about my DD and how it all began. There were 3 things

that all happened within a couple of weeks that could have been " the

trigger " , but we'll never know. She had really high strep titers from

an untreated strep infection, she had a vomiting illness (her OCD is all

about vomit), and her twin brothers were born and spent time in the

NICU. Any or all of those stressors could have been the one. Don't you

wish we knew the answers to these questions? Sometimes it would be nice

to place blame!

Dina

[Guest guest]

I remember to the day when I knew something wasn't right. I never

speak about it to anyone because I am always afraid what others

would think. My dd has intrusive thought OCD. And Aug. 11, 2006 (she

was almost 9), I came downstairs and she asked if I ever thought

about what it would feel like to stab someone or myself. I literally

took a deep breath and tried to act " not alarmed " . I said no and had

her explain what she meant. And she said she wanted to know what a

knife point felt like so she held it up to her stomach.(It was a

butter knife thank goodness)I gave her a hug and told her not to do

that anymore and from that moment on, she kept saying " I don't want

to but I think do " Are you afraid of me? After about 15 min. I went

upstairs and cried and thought what is wrong? Then in the next 3 days

after that she didn't want knives around and was so afraid and crying

etc. ( Iam shortening this story and everything considerably.)It came

on so full force from kissing thoughts, to the flip flopping back and

forth about I think I love you - I am not sure - to finally taking

her to the pediatrician and within 2 weeks into a therapist. From the

moment we started therapy, CBT and ERP, the thoughts have lessened

and she avoids certain movies, newspapers, and if she has her

thoughts, she quickly ignores them. As a child (i even wrote this

down in her baby book all through her years) she had certain " quirks "

as I ,verbatum, " wrote " . Sock line had to match up. No pants. Nothing

tight around her wrists. Tags. Rubbing her belly ten times in a

circular motion. She was extremely shy as a baby all the way until

about 1st grade. Can't make a decision. Her brother (older) always

had to go first when picking anything out - then she would go. POny

tail had to be perfect. No bumps! If any bump, she would have to

start over. It would take her about 45 min. to get into bed because

covers had to be perfect. Free of wrinkles and NO CRUNCHINESS. to

this day, she doesn't sleep under the covers. Pillows have to be in

her order etc. Why do I think this came on so suddenly now that I

know more about it...her 2nd grade teacher meant the world to her and

at the end of the year, she was devastated she wasn't going to see

her anymore. Wow, I NEVER talk about the knife part. I feel like

telling you all not to worry she wouldn't hurt a flea but I know you

all understand?

>

> Do you ever wonder when ocd really struck your child? I know that

> there are all of those sometimes repetitive things that you see,

that

> you may have brushed off thinking that was just how " sally " liked

> things, but when was enough, enough that you felt like there

something

> that just wasn't right? It's funny how when my daughter put on her

> glasses that she always said, " glasses check, left, glasses check

> right " and moved her eyes around funny and I thought that it was

funny

> and never thought anything of it. Or when she put on her socks,

there

> was so many taps on the top of one and again on the other and her

> tennis shoes had to " feel " exactly even. I don't know of any other

> kinds of things that she might have been doing at the time but I

would

> never of guessed that she would later be diagnosed with OCD. It's

> funny though, (not really), but I never seen her do any of those

> things before she had a trauma injury that nearly ended her life,

or

> the diagnoses of bone tumors and surgery in her leg, that Praise

God,

> were benign. (which all happened within 3 months of each other)I

was

> wondering if any one of your kids had some kind of major change,

> trauma, or even death, that seemed to be the time when

those " habits "

> started.

> I know the " stressers " that come about and cause ocd to kick in

full

> force, and boy, it is so hard to have her kick it in it's butt

> sometimes. The sadness that she feels is so painful to see. I have

> read so many postings and see so much helpful advice from those

that

> have been there and done that. THANK YOU! Isn't it funny though,

when

> your child gets over, what seems to us,the smallest hump, what a

great

> feeling it is to see them so happy and relaxed. Who new that

cutting

> off a yarn bracelet would be such a huge celebration!!!!

>

> Take care,

>

> Candi

>

[Guest guest]

>*****************

I have read that traumatic events can bring on OCD symptoms earlier

than they would have otherwise.

******************

Connie, did it say it would increase the severity too? I suspect the

answer is yes, because I know even now every little bump in the road

can stir things up. Even a common cold here.

I have to say, I noticed things when Josh was young, that I NOW know

were OCD at work. But his behavior increased a lot when I had some

serious health problems. The night I spent in the hospital in

critical care, was really hard on him. My husband said he couldn't

sleep and he cried on and off all night, wanting me there. It was a

lot for a 4 year old to deal with. I know the following months were

traumatic, with trips to the ER in ambulances, etc., some where he

rode with me. He still remembers it. That's not good for any

child, but in a child with OCD, it's got to add to the anxiety.

Yet, I've also read it can hit at a certain age.

Here is a quote from Dr. Aureen Wagner's book. . .

" OCD usually appears between the ages of seven and 12, and most

commonly around age 10. It can begin as early as ages three to five

for children with a strong family history of OCD. About half of the

adults who have OCD say their symptoms began before age 15. Most

people with OCD develop it before the age of 25. Only 15% develop it

after the age of 35. Boys with OCD tend to develop it earlier than

girls, typically before the age of 12. Girls' symptoms are likely to

starrt during early adolescence. "

I'm sure traumatic events are never helpful though.

I'm glad you all got out of the fire safely, Connie. How scary.

BJ

******************

>

> Hi Candi,

>

> We've only known that our 17 yr old son has OCD for about the

last 6

> months or so. But now that I know so much more about OCD, I know he had

> symptoms when he was much younger. In fact, I think he first started

> having symptoms at age 4 or 5. When he was 4 1/2, we had a house fire.

> We were home at the time, but everyone got out safely. However, it was

> very traumatic for all of us. Now when I look back, I can recall that

> about that time, he had a peculiar way of playing with his cars. Judy

> mentioned her son lining up cars; our son did that. They had to be

> lined up perfectly. When he would park the cars, he had to pull them

> into their parking spot, pull them back out, then back in, etc. until he

> was finally satisfied they were parked just right. At the time I just

> thought he had an interesting way of playing with his cars. His OCD

> symptoms have always been very mild until recently here. I have read

> that traumatic events can bring on OCD symptoms earlier than they would

> have otherwise.

>

> Connie

>

[Guest guest]

BJ - So true about anxiety. Whenever she is anxious, OCD rears its

ugly head and also in our case, the sensitivity issues are

compounded. I started writing again, because I don't talk about it

with any of my friends just our therapist. But sometimes it is nice

to write to people who understand and go through the same things. I

just don't want them to look at her differently etc. I read all the

post always but it wasn't until these last few days that I really

needed to start talking again. So thank you.

> >*****************

> I have read that traumatic events can bring on OCD symptoms earlier

> than they would have otherwise.

> ******************

>

> Connie, did it say it would increase the severity too? I suspect

the

> answer is yes, because I know even now every little bump in the road

> can stir things up. Even a common cold here.

>

> I have to say, I noticed things when Josh was young, that I NOW know

> were OCD at work. But his behavior increased a lot when I had some

> serious health problems. The night I spent in the hospital in

> critical care, was really hard on him. My husband said he couldn't

> sleep and he cried on and off all night, wanting me there. It was a

> lot for a 4 year old to deal with. I know the following months were

> traumatic, with trips to the ER in ambulances, etc., some where he

> rode with me. He still remembers it. That's not good for any

> child, but in a child with OCD, it's got to add to the anxiety.

>

> Yet, I've also read it can hit at a certain age.

>

> Here is a quote from Dr. Aureen Wagner's book. . .

>

> " OCD usually appears between the ages of seven and 12, and most

> commonly around age 10. It can begin as early as ages three to five

> for children with a strong family history of OCD. About half of the

> adults who have OCD say their symptoms began before age 15. Most

> people with OCD develop it before the age of 25. Only 15% develop

it

> after the age of 35. Boys with OCD tend to develop it earlier than

> girls, typically before the age of 12. Girls' symptoms are likely

to

> starrt during early adolescence. "

>

> I'm sure traumatic events are never helpful though.

>

> I'm glad you all got out of the fire safely, Connie. How scary.

>

> BJ

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ******************

> >

> > Hi Candi,

> >

> > We've only known that our 17 yr old son has OCD for about the

> last 6

> > months or so. But now that I know so much more about OCD, I know

he had

> > symptoms when he was much younger. In fact, I think he first

started

> > having symptoms at age 4 or 5. When he was 4 1/2, we had a house

fire.

> > We were home at the time, but everyone got out safely. However,

it was

> > very traumatic for all of us. Now when I look back, I can recall

that

> > about that time, he had a peculiar way of playing with his cars.

Judy

> > mentioned her son lining up cars; our son did that. They had to

be

> > lined up perfectly. When he would park the cars, he had to pull

them

> > into their parking spot, pull them back out, then back in, etc.

until he

> > was finally satisfied they were parked just right. At the time I

just

> > thought he had an interesting way of playing with his cars. His

OCD

> > symptoms have always been very mild until recently here. I have

read

> > that traumatic events can bring on OCD symptoms earlier than they

would

> > have otherwise.

> >

> > Connie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm really glad you are here. :-) And I'm really glad you have this

place where you can talk, and be understood. It's really hard when

nobody gets it. Even my sister doesn't really get it, and my nephew

has OCD. But, he is much less severe than our son, so she's never had

to deal with some of the stuff we've had to.

I know it always helps me to talk to others who can relate and are

going through the same things.

It's not a " misery loves company " situation, although OCD can make for

misery. But, rather, I think it is a " not feeling so alone " thing. .

Not feeling isolated.

And there is always the bonus of sharing information on what has worked.

Hugs to you.

BJ

> > >*****************

> > I have read that traumatic events can bring on OCD symptoms earlier

> > than they would have otherwise.

> > ******************

> >

> > Connie, did it say it would increase the severity too? I suspect

> the

> > answer is yes, because I know even now every little bump in the road

> > can stir things up. Even a common cold here.

> >

> > I have to say, I noticed things when Josh was young, that I NOW know

> > were OCD at work. But his behavior increased a lot when I had some

> > serious health problems. The night I spent in the hospital in

> > critical care, was really hard on him. My husband said he couldn't

> > sleep and he cried on and off all night, wanting me there. It was a

> > lot for a 4 year old to deal with. I know the following months were

> > traumatic, with trips to the ER in ambulances, etc., some where he

> > rode with me. He still remembers it. That's not good for any

> > child, but in a child with OCD, it's got to add to the anxiety.

> >

> > Yet, I've also read it can hit at a certain age.

> >

> > Here is a quote from Dr. Aureen Wagner's book. . .

> >

> > " OCD usually appears between the ages of seven and 12, and most

> > commonly around age 10. It can begin as early as ages three to five

> > for children with a strong family history of OCD. About half of the

> > adults who have OCD say their symptoms began before age 15. Most

> > people with OCD develop it before the age of 25. Only 15% develop

> it

> > after the age of 35. Boys with OCD tend to develop it earlier than

> > girls, typically before the age of 12. Girls' symptoms are likely

> to

> > starrt during early adolescence. "

> >

> > I'm sure traumatic events are never helpful though.

> >

> > I'm glad you all got out of the fire safely, Connie. How scary.

> >

> > BJ

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ******************

> > >

> > > Hi Candi,

> > >

> > > We've only known that our 17 yr old son has OCD for about the

> > last 6

> > > months or so. But now that I know so much more about OCD, I know

> he had

> > > symptoms when he was much younger. In fact, I think he first

> started

> > > having symptoms at age 4 or 5. When he was 4 1/2, we had a house

> fire.

> > > We were home at the time, but everyone got out safely. However,

> it was

> > > very traumatic for all of us. Now when I look back, I can recall

> that

> > > about that time, he had a peculiar way of playing with his cars.

> Judy

> > > mentioned her son lining up cars; our son did that. They had to

> be

> > > lined up perfectly. When he would park the cars, he had to pull

> them

> > > into their parking spot, pull them back out, then back in, etc.

> until he

> > > was finally satisfied they were parked just right. At the time I

> just

> > > thought he had an interesting way of playing with his cars. His

> OCD

> > > symptoms have always been very mild until recently here. I have

> read

> > > that traumatic events can bring on OCD symptoms earlier than they

> would

> > > have otherwise.

> > >

> > > Connie

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

BJ,

In Dr. Chansky's book " Freeing Your Child From Obsessive-

Compulsive Disorder " , it has a paragraph on stressful events. It

says " One study reported an association between the onset of OCD and

illness or death of a relative or change in school. A 1992 study

reported 38 percent of patients or their family members believed a

specific event precipitated their OCD behaviors. Events such as

divorce, illness, moving, or unemployment. " Then it says " In my own

practice, many children have described how they were already

experiencing " low-grade " OCD symptoms when a major stressful event

took place (ex. death in the family, learning of someone's cancer,

news of terrorist act, etc). Then the symptoms flared into full-

blown OCD.

So, I think that's a yes.

Connie

> >*****************

> I have read that traumatic events can bring on OCD symptoms earlier

> than they would have otherwise.

> ******************

>

> Connie, did it say it would increase the severity too? I suspect

the

> answer is yes, because I know even now every little bump in the road

> can stir things up. Even a common cold here.

>

> I have to say, I noticed things when Josh was young, that I NOW know

> were OCD at work. But his behavior increased a lot when I had some

> serious health problems. The night I spent in the hospital in

> critical care, was really hard on him. My husband said he couldn't

> sleep and he cried on and off all night, wanting me there. It was a

> lot for a 4 year old to deal with. I know the following months were

> traumatic, with trips to the ER in ambulances, etc., some where he

> rode with me. He still remembers it. That's not good for any

> child, but in a child with OCD, it's got to add to the anxiety.

>

> Yet, I've also read it can hit at a certain age.

>

> Here is a quote from Dr. Aureen Wagner's book. . .

>

> " OCD usually appears between the ages of seven and 12, and most

> commonly around age 10. It can begin as early as ages three to five

> for children with a strong family history of OCD. About half of the

> adults who have OCD say their symptoms began before age 15. Most

> people with OCD develop it before the age of 25. Only 15% develop

it

> after the age of 35. Boys with OCD tend to develop it earlier than

> girls, typically before the age of 12. Girls' symptoms are likely

to

> starrt during early adolescence. "

>

> I'm sure traumatic events are never helpful though.

>

> I'm glad you all got out of the fire safely, Connie. How scary.

>

> BJ

[Guest guest]

I sometimes wonder with . His began around 3 weeks after he

started 6th grade. But I think it was building up during the

summer. He was finally showing a bit of temper during the summer

with his brothers (who had always given him a bit of a hard time).

Still, I wonder if someone did/said something at school or just

the " new school/new people... " of 6th grade. He'd always had his

little OC behaviors but it wasn't yet the " disorder. "

I remember when I started my " counting " as a teen. I was mixing some

batter by hand for something (had to be cookies or a cake) and you

know directions might say mix for 2 minutes or 60 strokes or

something. I was counting when I did that and it just went from

there. I found myself counting steps it took to get somewhere,

counting other things.... I know it lasted at least a few weeks. I

told myself it was going to drive me " crazy " and so began to do my

best to *not* count, tried to distract myself; and that eventually

worked for me. Same thing with any other little " OC behavior " I had

here/there over the years, just had to force myself for " exposure " or

distraction, whatever worked for me. Doing that these days since

has got my own scrupulosity acting up again (he suffers

severely from it). Distraction works for me with mine, not for him

apparently.

>

> Do you ever wonder when ocd really struck your child? I know that

> there are all of those sometimes repetitive things that you see,

that

>

[Guest guest]

Yep, that's a yes. lol

Wow, I read that book a while back. I don't remember that part, but

that's not unusual for me. I'm glad you shared it with us, Connie.

Thanks.

BJ

> > >*****************

> > I have read that traumatic events can bring on OCD symptoms earlier

> > than they would have otherwise.

> > ******************

> >

> > Connie, did it say it would increase the severity too? I suspect

> the

> > answer is yes, because I know even now every little bump in the road

> > can stir things up. Even a common cold here.

> >

> > I have to say, I noticed things when Josh was young, that I NOW know

> > were OCD at work. But his behavior increased a lot when I had some

> > serious health problems. The night I spent in the hospital in

> > critical care, was really hard on him. My husband said he couldn't

> > sleep and he cried on and off all night, wanting me there. It was a

> > lot for a 4 year old to deal with. I know the following months were

> > traumatic, with trips to the ER in ambulances, etc., some where he

> > rode with me. He still remembers it. That's not good for any

> > child, but in a child with OCD, it's got to add to the anxiety.

> >

> > Yet, I've also read it can hit at a certain age.

> >

> > Here is a quote from Dr. Aureen Wagner's book. . .

> >

> > " OCD usually appears between the ages of seven and 12, and most

> > commonly around age 10. It can begin as early as ages three to five

> > for children with a strong family history of OCD. About half of the

> > adults who have OCD say their symptoms began before age 15. Most

> > people with OCD develop it before the age of 25. Only 15% develop

> it

> > after the age of 35. Boys with OCD tend to develop it earlier than

> > girls, typically before the age of 12. Girls' symptoms are likely

> to

> > starrt during early adolescence. "

> >

> > I'm sure traumatic events are never helpful though.

> >

> > I'm glad you all got out of the fire safely, Connie. How scary.

> >

> > BJ

>

[Guest guest]

Awwwwwww (((((Chris)))))). I'm sorry your own scrupulosity is

flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and your kid's OCD

at the same time. ( <sigh>

Hugs and Prayers,

BJ

> >

> > Do you ever wonder when ocd really struck your child? I know that

> > there are all of those sometimes repetitive things that you see,

> that

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks BJ. Sigh, I just try to ignore most of the time. But

I think about him often or when I hear him in his room, and then my

thoughts can get going.... I did quit going to church with him.

Partly because of triggers but also partly because I'm...well I'm not

sure what adjective to use - resentful or frustrated or upset or... -

since his pastor is leaving it up to to call him about

meeting (since no therapist) and pastor let me down last time when I

kept telling him needed regular/routine meeting days/times,

not just to call him, as pastor is impossible to catch up with.

hasn't bothered calling him yet. I'm not going to ask

about it, think I'll just either see or call pastor myself

and set up a day/time, sigh. In the meantime, I'm trying to get the

house *somewhat* straightened up because I just have to see about

getting guardianship for my mom and someone to stay with her days

while I'm at work; she's began getting worse in January and I should

have done this before now so dread calling her doctor! But between

the FAFSAs for kids' colleges, getting taxes done (mine, sons and my

moms) I'm just now getting to guardianship papers, etc. LOL, I need

to tell myself to breathe!

>

> Awwwwwww (((((Chris)))))). I'm sorry your own scrupulosity is

> flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and your kid's

OCD

> at the same time. ( <sigh>

>

> Hugs and Prayers,

> BJ

[Guest guest]

Oh, gee, you have a full plate. (((you)))

Gee, it seems like the pastor would/should/could take the initiative.

Do you mind me asking what is wrong with your Mom, seeing that she

needs care while you are gone? If you'd like to write me personally,

instead of sharing in here, I understand. Or if, you like to tell me

it's none of my business, that's okay too. lol

My Dad went to live in a nursing home about a year ago, with

Alzheimers. It's been tough on the whole family. My Mom is really

struggling, trying to live alone. My sister and I do all we can, but

I don't know if it's enough. We try, but we are so substitute.

It's a tough spot when you have kids with problems, parents with

problems, and problems of your own. <sigh> I don't have OCD, but

have other health issues that are challenging at times. When you are

dealing with all three, it just seems like it is coming at you from

all sides.

Life is never boring.

Guess I should breathe too. lol

(((Another hug)))

BJ

> >

> > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)))))). I'm sorry your own scrupulosity is

> > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and your kid's

> OCD

> > at the same time. ( <sigh>

> >

> > Hugs and Prayers,

> > BJ

>

[Guest guest]

HI,

My 8 year old daughter was dx with OCD in Oct. 2007. It seemed like

it came out of NOwhere!!! She started washing her hands a lot then it

just seemed to become a real problem at school first- with teachers

saying she is spending most of the day in the BR washing her hands.

The lunch mom's were noticing that she was taking 10-15 wipes to

clean herself and desk before/during/after lunch. It just has been a

nightmare!!! Then she started worrying about cheating on test, to

the point that she did not want to go to school because she thought

she would cheat. SHe has also expressed other worries that have been

disturbing to me and I thank God that she is not expressing those

concerns any more.

I am still trying to figure out where all this has come from. They

say that some tramatic event brings it on, but I nor my husband can

pinpoint any such event. As I read about OCD I start to think, like

others have mentioned, that maybe she has always had it and now it's

just full blow.

In hindsight, I remember her doing alot of odd things, but they were

things other kids were doing and they don't have OCD. SHe has always

had tag issues, since PreK. And she has sock issues, doesn't like

the the " strings " in th hanes socks. She went through a period were

she was cutting things up- fabric, paper, her clothes, but then she

cut her hair. That was in 1st grade. When I asked her why she did it

she said that the piece of hair she cut was bothering her and she

needed to cut it! Of course she decided to do this on parent

observation day at school!! Luckily she has curley hair and I was

able to cover up the new hair cut with hair tie. Even as a baby I

remember I couldn't keep her in the same room with me because she

would do this grunting that would keep me awake. All my other kids

slept in our room until they were 3 months old, but not her she was

so loud! Was all this OCD or just normal kid stuff. I knoe plenty

of mom's whose children have done all the things my child has done,

but their kids don't have OCD. That make me wonder if those early

signs were just normal behavior or OCD??

We are really struggling with what to do to help her. We have done

the CBT and are trying to implement that at home, but I get

frustrated because sometimes I feel like my daughter is not trying.

She is also EXTREMELY explosive!! She has always been touchy and

easily upset about things, but it seems since she has been fighting

the OCD she is really " OVER THE TOP " with her RAGE!!! I guess this

is related to the OCD, but I don't know. WHen she gets upset that

something doen't go her way, she will run off- Litterally, she will

run away! I could go on and on, but I am sure you all have been

there.

I guess I was just wondering about her fits of rage- is this part of

OCD?? I know she will go nuts if I stop her from doing her

complusions, but what about a simple correction or direction for her

to turn tv off and come to dinner, or she is told she can't have

something- she will go CRAZY screamming a major etmper tantrum. This

doesn't happen all the time, but more than I would like.

Also, is there hope for her w/o medication??? I am not that crazy

about medicating her. And could she have ODD or ADD w/ OCD. Does

anyone have a child that has the comorbid diagnosis???

Any tips/advise would be greatly appreciated.-

Thanks,

DC

-- In , " svdbyhislove "

wrote:

>

> Oh, gee, you have a full plate. (((you)))

>

> Gee, it seems like the pastor would/should/could take the

initiative.

>

> Do you mind me asking what is wrong with your Mom, seeing that she

> needs care while you are gone? If you'd like to write me

personally,

> instead of sharing in here, I understand. Or if, you like to tell

me

> it's none of my business, that's okay too. lol

>

> My Dad went to live in a nursing home about a year ago, with

> Alzheimers. It's been tough on the whole family. My Mom is really

> struggling, trying to live alone. My sister and I do all we can,

but

> I don't know if it's enough. We try, but we are so substitute.

>

> It's a tough spot when you have kids with problems, parents with

> problems, and problems of your own. <sigh> I don't have OCD, but

> have other health issues that are challenging at times. When you

are

> dealing with all three, it just seems like it is coming at you from

> all sides.

>

> Life is never boring.

>

> Guess I should breathe too. lol

>

> (((Another hug)))

>

> BJ

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)))))). I'm sorry your own scrupulosity is

> > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and your

kid's

> > OCD

> > > at the same time. ( <sigh>

> > >

> > > Hugs and Prayers,

> > > BJ

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi DC,

Although some type of trauma can bring out OCD, it actually is usually NOT the

case, so don't worry about that! Sometimes we tend to overlook the small things

our children do that are early indicators of OCD, like repeatedly making noises,

or needing things a certain way, etc, etc. It's really hard to distinguish

betweeen the " normal " kid stuff and the OCD stuff at times. I have three kids,

two with severe OCD, ages 11 and 6, and one , age 13, without it.My oldest has

done some things I might not consider " normal " , but she is, and she has done many

things that point to OCD, but has not been diagnosed with it.

Some kids with OCD do rage. My son rages, but for short periods of time. My

daughter also has Bipolar along with the OCD, so her raging used to be for 4-6

hours a day. This has gotten much better! She is also diagnosed with ODD and

ADD, but seeing she has bipolar they threw it all into the two diagnosis, so she

doesn't have a long list of letters after her name!

I hated to put my kids on meds also, but it was necessary. Some children can get

by with only therapy. It really is your individual choice.

I hope this helps some!

Hang in there!

Hugs

Judy

[Guest guest]

Hi DC,

OCD rages are common when they start therapy and start trying to

fight the OCD. Although they can get agitated and rage any time, it

tends to be worse when therapy first starts. Our 17 yr old son had

rages when he first started therapy. It's gotten better now. But

there are still times when we are pushing him a little to work on

his ERP homework and he will get very agitated with us. Not really

raging anymore, but you can tell he is definitely upset. Keep in

mind that when they fight OCD, OCD doesn't want to let go. It can

cause severe anxiety and that is really what is behind the raging.

Hang in there and don't be afraid to try meds if you think your

daughter needs them. For a lot of kids the meds help calm the OCD

enough to enable them to do the CBT/ERP.

Take care

Connie

>

> HI,

> My 8 year old daughter was dx with OCD in Oct. 2007. It seemed

like

> it came out of NOwhere!!! She started washing her hands a lot then

it

> just seemed to become a real problem at school first- with

teachers

> saying she is spending most of the day in the BR washing her

hands.

> The lunch mom's were noticing that she was taking 10-15 wipes to

> clean herself and desk before/during/after lunch. It just has

been a

> nightmare!!! Then she started worrying about cheating on test, to

> the point that she did not want to go to school because she

thought

> she would cheat. SHe has also expressed other worries that have

been

> disturbing to me and I thank God that she is not expressing those

> concerns any more.

>

> I am still trying to figure out where all this has come from.

They

> say that some tramatic event brings it on, but I nor my husband

can

> pinpoint any such event. As I read about OCD I start to think,

like

> others have mentioned, that maybe she has always had it and now

it's

> just full blow.

>

> In hindsight, I remember her doing alot of odd things, but they

were

> things other kids were doing and they don't have OCD. SHe has

always

> had tag issues, since PreK. And she has sock issues, doesn't like

> the the " strings " in th hanes socks. She went through a period

were

> she was cutting things up- fabric, paper, her clothes, but then

she

> cut her hair. That was in 1st grade. When I asked her why she did

it

> she said that the piece of hair she cut was bothering her and she

> needed to cut it! Of course she decided to do this on parent

> observation day at school!! Luckily she has curley hair and I was

> able to cover up the new hair cut with hair tie. Even as a baby I

> remember I couldn't keep her in the same room with me because she

> would do this grunting that would keep me awake. All my other

kids

> slept in our room until they were 3 months old, but not her she

was

> so loud! Was all this OCD or just normal kid stuff. I knoe

plenty

> of mom's whose children have done all the things my child has

done,

> but their kids don't have OCD. That make me wonder if those early

> signs were just normal behavior or OCD??

>

> We are really struggling with what to do to help her. We have

done

> the CBT and are trying to implement that at home, but I get

> frustrated because sometimes I feel like my daughter is not

trying.

> She is also EXTREMELY explosive!! She has always been touchy and

> easily upset about things, but it seems since she has been

fighting

> the OCD she is really " OVER THE TOP " with her RAGE!!! I guess

this

> is related to the OCD, but I don't know. WHen she gets upset that

> something doen't go her way, she will run off- Litterally, she

will

> run away! I could go on and on, but I am sure you all have been

> there.

> I guess I was just wondering about her fits of rage- is this part

of

> OCD?? I know she will go nuts if I stop her from doing her

> complusions, but what about a simple correction or direction for

her

> to turn tv off and come to dinner, or she is told she can't have

> something- she will go CRAZY screamming a major etmper tantrum.

This

> doesn't happen all the time, but more than I would like.

>

> Also, is there hope for her w/o medication??? I am not that crazy

> about medicating her. And could she have ODD or ADD w/ OCD. Does

> anyone have a child that has the comorbid diagnosis???

>

>

> Any tips/advise would be greatly appreciated.-

>

>

> Thanks,

>

> DC

[Guest guest]

Hi, DC. When I was frantically reading all I could on OCD, I remember

reading that some people can have some OC behaviors, but not the

disorder. I suspect that a lot of people do. I know I like things to

be orderly and organized, yet don't have OCD. For some it can

escalate into the disorder though. For others, I suspect it is a

disorder from day one.

I know that for some a traumatic event can set OCD off. But, for

many, it is just there. And it sounds like your daughter falls into

the age group where it most often seems to flare up.

When our son was young, he used to have moments of frustration and

meltdowns, where he seemed out of control. Even then, not knowing it

was OCD we were dealing with, I could tell he was becoming overwhelmed

by the situation. He outgrew it. As he got older, he was more

capable of handling frustration in a more mature way. But, I always

put my foot down and let him know it was not acceptable behavior. I

don't know if your situation is like ours. It sounds like yours is

more intense. And you could be dealing with ADD, ODD, or BPD, along

with OCD. Have you been to see a pediatric psychiatrist? Or a

psychologist? They would be able to diagnose correctly. Knowing what

you are dealing with helps because different things can require

different treatment, whether that is medication or therapy.

Medication is an individual choice. We put it off as long as we

could. I didn't want our son on meds. But we got to a point where we

HAD to. It helped our son, both times he's been on it. It didn't

make life perfect, but it took the edge off so he can function.

BJ

> > > >

> > > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)))))). I'm sorry your own scrupulosity is

> > > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and your

> kid's

> > > OCD

> > > > at the same time. ( <sigh>

> > > >

> > > > Hugs and Prayers,

> > > > BJ

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks BJ! Need the hugs! Mom has dementia and was a bit frail

anyway, then in January things began to go more downhill! I'll write

you personally since this is off-topic, look for it!

>

> Oh, gee, you have a full plate. (((you)))

>

> Gee, it seems like the pastor would/should/could take the

initiative.

>

> Do you mind me asking what is wrong with your Mom, seeing that she

> needs care while you are gone? If you'd like to write me

personally,

> instead of sharing in here, I understand. Or if, you like to tell

me

> it's none of my business, that's okay too. lol

>

> My Dad went to live in a nursing home about a year ago, with

> Alzheimers. It's been tough on the whole family. My Mom is really

> struggling, trying to live alone. My sister and I do all we can,

[Guest guest]

DC,

Your daughter sounds EXACTLY like my youngest son when he was in the throes of

ODD. He hasn't shown any

OCD YET, but I'm holding my breath, since older brother has it. My son would run

away, throw furniture, have fits, all that.

I now realize that a lot of it had to do with sensory overload. He couldn't

handle what most of us consider normal noise.

We never medicated him for this. Luckily, we found the right therapist who

basically laid down the law, told me how not to put up with my son's bad

behavior and scared the heck out of the kid. Have hardly had a moment's trouble

since!

Wish you could bring your daughter to my town for an appointment with this guy.

Re: when ocd strikes

HI,

My 8 year old daughter was dx with OCD in Oct. 2007. It seemed like

it came out of NOwhere!!! She started washing her hands a lot then it

just seemed to become a real problem at school first- with teachers

saying she is spending most of the day in the BR washing her hands.

The lunch mom's were noticing that she was taking 10-15 wipes to

clean herself and desk before/during/ after lunch. It just has been a

nightmare!!! Then she started worrying about cheating on test, to

the point that she did not want to go to school because she thought

she would cheat. SHe has also expressed other worries that have been

disturbing to me and I thank God that she is not expressing those

concerns any more.

I am still trying to figure out where all this has come from. They

say that some tramatic event brings it on, but I nor my husband can

pinpoint any such event. As I read about OCD I start to think, like

others have mentioned, that maybe she has always had it and now it's

just full blow.

In hindsight, I remember her doing alot of odd things, but they were

things other kids were doing and they don't have OCD. SHe has always

had tag issues, since PreK. And she has sock issues, doesn't like

the the " strings " in th hanes socks. She went through a period were

she was cutting things up- fabric, paper, her clothes, but then she

cut her hair. That was in 1st grade. When I asked her why she did it

she said that the piece of hair she cut was bothering her and she

needed to cut it! Of course she decided to do this on parent

observation day at school!! Luckily she has curley hair and I was

able to cover up the new hair cut with hair tie. Even as a baby I

remember I couldn't keep her in the same room with me because she

would do this grunting that would keep me awake. All my other kids

slept in our room until they were 3 months old, but not her she was

so loud! Was all this OCD or just normal kid stuff. I knoe plenty

of mom's whose children have done all the things my child has done,

but their kids don't have OCD. That make me wonder if those early

signs were just normal behavior or OCD??

We are really struggling with what to do to help her. We have done

the CBT and are trying to implement that at home, but I get

frustrated because sometimes I feel like my daughter is not trying.

She is also EXTREMELY explosive!! She has always been touchy and

easily upset about things, but it seems since she has been fighting

the OCD she is really " OVER THE TOP " with her RAGE!!! I guess this

is related to the OCD, but I don't know. WHen she gets upset that

something doen't go her way, she will run off- Litterally, she will

run away! I could go on and on, but I am sure you all have been

there.

I guess I was just wondering about her fits of rage- is this part of

OCD?? I know she will go nuts if I stop her from doing her

complusions, but what about a simple correction or direction for her

to turn tv off and come to dinner, or she is told she can't have

something- she will go CRAZY screamming a major etmper tantrum. This

doesn't happen all the time, but more than I would like.

Also, is there hope for her w/o medication?? ? I am not that crazy

about medicating her. And could she have ODD or ADD w/ OCD. Does

anyone have a child that has the comorbid diagnosis???

Any tips/advise would be greatly appreciated. -

Thanks,

DC

-- In @ yahoogroups. com, " svdbyhislove " <BJClosner@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Oh, gee, you have a full plate. (((you)))

>

> Gee, it seems like the pastor would/should/ could take the

initiative.

>

> Do you mind me asking what is wrong with your Mom, seeing that she

> needs care while you are gone? If you'd like to write me

personally,

> instead of sharing in here, I understand. Or if, you like to tell

me

> it's none of my business, that's okay too. lol

>

> My Dad went to live in a nursing home about a year ago, with

> Alzheimers. It's been tough on the whole family. My Mom is really

> struggling, trying to live alone. My sister and I do all we can,

but

> I don't know if it's enough. We try, but we are so substitute.

>

> It's a tough spot when you have kids with problems, parents with

> problems, and problems of your own. <sigh> I don't have OCD, but

> have other health issues that are challenging at times. When you

are

> dealing with all three, it just seems like it is coming at you from

> all sides.

>

> Life is never boring.

>

> Guess I should breathe too. lol

>

> (((Another hug)))

>

> BJ

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)) )))). I'm sorry your own scrupulosity is

> > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and your

kid's

> > OCD

> > > at the same time. ( <sigh>

> > >

> > > Hugs and Prayers,

> > > BJ

> >

>

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,

My 4-year old was diagnosed last year with OCD. The last 6 or 7 months he has

been complaining about too much noise also. Even if there is only one person in

the room talking, and no artificial noise (clocks, lights, water running). I am

a teacher, and am familiar with auditory sensroy issues, but it seems so severe

in , and sudden. It's like he can't think if there is any other noise. He

gets extremely angry and yells, " I can't hear " or " I'm trying to talk " . What, if

anything, did the therapist recommend for this problem. I am very conerned about

how this will manifest itself in school. Has anyone else dealt with this issue?

Thanks,

Re: when ocd strikes

HI,

My 8 year old daughter was dx with OCD in Oct. 2007. It seemed like

it came out of NOwhere!!! She started washing her hands a lot then it

just seemed to become a real problem at school first- with teachers

saying she is spending most of the day in the BR washing her hands.

The lunch mom's were noticing that she was taking 10-15 wipes to

clean herself and desk before/during/ after lunch. It just has been a

nightmare!!! Then she started worrying about cheating on test, to

the point that she did not want to go to school because she thought

she would cheat. SHe has also expressed other worries that have been

disturbing to me and I thank God that she is not expressing those

concerns any more.

I am still trying to figure out where all this has come from. They

say that some tramatic event brings it on, but I nor my husband can

pinpoint any such event. As I read about OCD I start to think, like

others have mentioned, that maybe she has always had it and now it's

just full blow.

In hindsight, I remember her doing alot of odd things, but they were

things other kids were doing and they don't have OCD. SHe has always

had tag issues, since PreK. And she has sock issues, doesn't like

the the " strings " in th hanes socks. She went through a period were

she was cutting things up- fabric, paper, her clothes, but then she

cut her hair. That was in 1st grade. When I asked her why she did it

she said that the piece of hair she cut was bothering her and she

needed to cut it! Of course she decided to do this on parent

observation day at school!! Luckily she has curley hair and I was

able to cover up the new hair cut with hair tie. Even as a baby I

remember I couldn't keep her in the same room with me because she

would do this grunting that would keep me awake. All my other kids

slept in our room until they were 3 months old, but not her she was

so loud! Was all this OCD or just normal kid stuff. I knoe plenty

of mom's whose children have done all the things my child has done,

but their kids don't have OCD. That make me wonder if those early

signs were just normal behavior or OCD??

We are really struggling with what to do to help her. We have done

the CBT and are trying to implement that at home, but I get

frustrated because sometimes I feel like my daughter is not trying.

She is also EXTREMELY explosive!! She has always been touchy and

easily upset about things, but it seems since she has been fighting

the OCD she is really " OVER THE TOP " with her RAGE!!! I guess this

is related to the OCD, but I don't know. WHen she gets upset that

something doen't go her way, she will run off- Litterally, she will

run away! I could go on and on, but I am sure you all have been

there.

I guess I was just wondering about her fits of rage- is this part of

OCD?? I know she will go nuts if I stop her from doing her

complusions, but what about a simple correction or direction for her

to turn tv off and come to dinner, or she is told she can't have

something- she will go CRAZY screamming a major etmper tantrum. This

doesn't happen all the time, but more than I would like.

Also, is there hope for her w/o medication?? ? I am not that crazy

about medicating her. And could she have ODD or ADD w/ OCD. Does

anyone have a child that has the comorbid diagnosis???

Any tips/advise would be greatly appreciated. -

Thanks,

DC

-- In @ yahoogroups. com, " svdbyhislove " <BJClosner@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Oh, gee, you have a full plate. (((you)))

>

> Gee, it seems like the pastor would/should/ could take the

initiative.

>

> Do you mind me asking what is wrong with your Mom, seeing that she

> needs care while you are gone? If you'd like to write me

personally,

> instead of sharing in here, I understand. Or if, you like to tell

me

> it's none of my business, that's okay too. lol

>

> My Dad went to live in a nursing home about a year ago, with

> Alzheimers. It's been tough on the whole family. My Mom is really

> struggling, trying to live alone. My sister and I do all we can,

but

> I don't know if it's enough. We try, but we are so substitute.

>

> It's a tough spot when you have kids with problems, parents with

> problems, and problems of your own. <sigh> I don't have OCD, but

> have other health issues that are challenging at times. When you

are

> dealing with all three, it just seems like it is coming at you from

> all sides.

>

> Life is never boring.

>

> Guess I should breathe too. lol

>

> (((Another hug)))

>

> BJ

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)) )))). I'm sorry your own scrupulosity is

> > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and your

kid's

> > OCD

> > > at the same time. ( <sigh>

> > >

> > > Hugs and Prayers,

> > > BJ

> >

>

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My 4-year old was diagnosed last year with OCD. The last 6 or 7 months he has

been complaining about too much noise also. Even if there is only one person in

the room talking, and no artificial noise (clocks, lights, water running). I am

a teacher, and am familiar with auditory sensroy issues, but it seems so severe

in , and sudden. It's like he can't think if there is any other noise. He

gets extremely angry and yells, " I can't hear " or " I'm trying to talk " . What, if

anything, did the therapist recommend for this problem. I am very conerned about

how this will manifest itself in school. Has anyone else dealt with this issue?

Thanks,

Re: when ocd strikes

HI,

My 8 year old daughter was dx with OCD in Oct. 2007. It seemed like

it came out of NOwhere!!! She started washing her hands a lot then it

just seemed to become a real problem at school first- with teachers

saying she is spending most of the day in the BR washing her hands.

The lunch mom's were noticing that she was taking 10-15 wipes to

clean herself and desk before/during/ after lunch. It just has been a

nightmare!!! Then she started worrying about cheating on test, to

the point that she did not want to go to school because she thought

she would cheat. SHe has also expressed other worries that have been

disturbing to me and I thank God that she is not expressing those

concerns any more.

I am still trying to figure out where all this has come from. They

say that some tramatic event brings it on, but I nor my husband can

pinpoint any such event. As I read about OCD I start to think, like

others have mentioned, that maybe she has always had it and now it's

just full blow.

In hindsight, I remember her doing alot of odd things, but they were

things other kids were doing and they don't have OCD. SHe has always

had tag issues, since PreK. And she has sock issues, doesn't like

the the " strings " in th hanes socks. She went through a period were

she was cutting things up- fabric, paper, her clothes, but then she

cut her hair. That was in 1st grade. When I asked her why she did it

she said that the piece of hair she cut was bothering her and she

needed to cut it! Of course she decided to do this on parent

observation day at school!! Luckily she has curley hair and I was

able to cover up the new hair cut with hair tie. Even as a baby I

remember I couldn't keep her in the same room with me because she

would do this grunting that would keep me awake. All my other kids

slept in our room until they were 3 months old, but not her she was

so loud! Was all this OCD or just normal kid stuff. I knoe plenty

of mom's whose children have done all the things my child has done,

but their kids don't have OCD. That make me wonder if those early

signs were just normal behavior or OCD??

We are really struggling with what to do to help her. We have done

the CBT and are trying to implement that at home, but I get

frustrated because sometimes I feel like my daughter is not trying.

She is also EXTREMELY explosive!! She has always been touchy and

easily upset about things, but it seems since she has been fighting

the OCD she is really " OVER THE TOP " with her RAGE!!! I guess this

is related to the OCD, but I don't know. WHen she gets upset that

something doen't go her way, she will run off- Litterally, she will

run away! I could go on and on, but I am sure you all have been

there.

I guess I was just wondering about her fits of rage- is this part of

OCD?? I know she will go nuts if I stop her from doing her

complusions, but what about a simple correction or direction for her

to turn tv off and come to dinner, or she is told she can't have

something- she will go CRAZY screamming a major etmper tantrum. This

doesn't happen all the time, but more than I would like.

Also, is there hope for her w/o medication?? ? I am not that crazy

about medicating her. And could she have ODD or ADD w/ OCD. Does

anyone have a child that has the comorbid diagnosis???

Any tips/advise would be greatly appreciated. -

Thanks,

DC

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>

> Oh, gee, you have a full plate. (((you)))

>

> Gee, it seems like the pastor would/should/ could take the

initiative.

>

> Do you mind me asking what is wrong with your Mom, seeing that she

> needs care while you are gone? If you'd like to write me

personally,

> instead of sharing in here, I understand. Or if, you like to tell

me

> it's none of my business, that's okay too. lol

>

> My Dad went to live in a nursing home about a year ago, with

> Alzheimers. It's been tough on the whole family. My Mom is really

> struggling, trying to live alone. My sister and I do all we can,

but

> I don't know if it's enough. We try, but we are so substitute.

>

> It's a tough spot when you have kids with problems, parents with

> problems, and problems of your own. <sigh> I don't have OCD, but

> have other health issues that are challenging at times. When you

are

> dealing with all three, it just seems like it is coming at you from

> all sides.

>

> Life is never boring.

>

> Guess I should breathe too. lol

>

> (((Another hug)))

>

> BJ

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)) )))). I'm sorry your own scrupulosity is

> > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and your

kid's

> > OCD

> > > at the same time. ( <sigh>

> > >

> > > Hugs and Prayers,

> > > BJ

> >

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Unfortunately, we weren't successful at resolving our problem until my son

was seven or eight--mature enough to be responsible for his own actions.

Up to that point, I just waited it out and went nuts. It was very disruptive for

the whole family.

We didn't really know about the sensory issues and therapists never talked about

it,

but as you might have read in Dr. Chansky's reply tonight, there is occupational

therapy for

this. Wish we'd known about it sooner.

Re: when ocd strikes

HI,

My 8 year old daughter was dx with OCD in Oct. 2007. It seemed like

it came out of NOwhere!!! She started washing her hands a lot then it

just seemed to become a real problem at school first- with teachers

saying she is spending most of the day in the BR washing her hands.

The lunch mom's were noticing that she was taking 10-15 wipes to

clean herself and desk before/during/ after lunch. It just has been a

nightmare!!! Then she started worrying about cheating on test, to

the point that she did not want to go to school because she thought

she would cheat. SHe has also expressed other worries that have been

disturbing to me and I thank God that she is not expressing those

concerns any more.

I am still trying to figure out where all this has come from. They

say that some tramatic event brings it on, but I nor my husband can

pinpoint any such event. As I read about OCD I start to think, like

others have mentioned, that maybe she has always had it and now it's

just full blow.

In hindsight, I remember her doing alot of odd things, but they were

things other kids were doing and they don't have OCD. SHe has always

had tag issues, since PreK. And she has sock issues, doesn't like

the the " strings " in th hanes socks. She went through a period were

she was cutting things up- fabric, paper, her clothes, but then she

cut her hair. That was in 1st grade. When I asked her why she did it

she said that the piece of hair she cut was bothering her and she

needed to cut it! Of course she decided to do this on parent

observation day at school!! Luckily she has curley hair and I was

able to cover up the new hair cut with hair tie. Even as a baby I

remember I couldn't keep her in the same room with me because she

would do this grunting that would keep me awake. All my other kids

slept in our room until they were 3 months old, but not her she was

so loud! Was all this OCD or just normal kid stuff. I knoe plenty

of mom's whose children have done all the things my child has done,

but their kids don't have OCD. That make me wonder if those early

signs were just normal behavior or OCD??

We are really struggling with what to do to help her. We have done

the CBT and are trying to implement that at home, but I get

frustrated because sometimes I feel like my daughter is not trying.

She is also EXTREMELY explosive!! She has always been touchy and

easily upset about things, but it seems since she has been fighting

the OCD she is really " OVER THE TOP " with her RAGE!!! I guess this

is related to the OCD, but I don't know. WHen she gets upset that

something doen't go her way, she will run off- Litterally, she will

run away! I could go on and on, but I am sure you all have been

there.

I guess I was just wondering about her fits of rage- is this part of

OCD?? I know she will go nuts if I stop her from doing her

complusions, but what about a simple correction or direction for her

to turn tv off and come to dinner, or she is told she can't have

something- she will go CRAZY screamming a major etmper tantrum. This

doesn't happen all the time, but more than I would like.

Also, is there hope for her w/o medication?? ? I am not that crazy

about medicating her. And could she have ODD or ADD w/ OCD. Does

anyone have a child that has the comorbid diagnosis???

Any tips/advise would be greatly appreciated. -

Thanks,

DC

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>

> Oh, gee, you have a full plate. (((you)))

>

> Gee, it seems like the pastor would/should/ could take the

initiative.

>

> Do you mind me asking what is wrong with your Mom, seeing that she

> needs care while you are gone? If you'd like to write me

personally,

> instead of sharing in here, I understand. Or if, you like to tell

me

> it's none of my business, that's okay too. lol

>

> My Dad went to live in a nursing home about a year ago, with

> Alzheimers. It's been tough on the whole family. My Mom is really

> struggling, trying to live alone. My sister and I do all we can,

but

> I don't know if it's enough. We try, but we are so substitute.

>

> It's a tough spot when you have kids with problems, parents with

> problems, and problems of your own. <sigh> I don't have OCD, but

> have other health issues that are challenging at times. When you

are

> dealing with all three, it just seems like it is coming at you from

> all sides.

>

> Life is never boring.

>

> Guess I should breathe too. lol

>

> (((Another hug)))

>

> BJ

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)) )))). I'm sorry your own scrupulosity is

> > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and your

kid's

> > OCD

> > > at the same time. ( <sigh>

> > >

> > > Hugs and Prayers,

> > > BJ

> >

>

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Connie,

Thanks for the support. I really do feel very ALONE in helping her.

Finding this site has really helped take some of that away.

I do think she was worse when we started the CBT, but she seems like

she is just very explosive about evrything- not just the OCD stuff.

It's like she just says the opposite to get a rise out of you. SHe

is very negative.

I was wondering what kinda of homework does your son do? ANd do you

feel it's working??

Thanks,

DC

> >

> > HI,

> > My 8 year old daughter was dx with OCD in Oct. 2007. It seemed

> like

> > it came out of NOwhere!!! She started washing her hands a lot

then

> it

> > just seemed to become a real problem at school first- with

> teachers

> > saying she is spending most of the day in the BR washing her

> hands.

> > The lunch mom's were noticing that she was taking 10-15 wipes to

> > clean herself and desk before/during/after lunch. It just has

> been a

> > nightmare!!! Then she started worrying about cheating on test,

to

> > the point that she did not want to go to school because she

> thought

> > she would cheat. SHe has also expressed other worries that have

> been

> > disturbing to me and I thank God that she is not expressing those

> > concerns any more.

> >

> > I am still trying to figure out where all this has come from.

> They

> > say that some tramatic event brings it on, but I nor my husband

> can

> > pinpoint any such event. As I read about OCD I start to think,

> like

> > others have mentioned, that maybe she has always had it and now

> it's

> > just full blow.

> >

> > In hindsight, I remember her doing alot of odd things, but they

> were

> > things other kids were doing and they don't have OCD. SHe has

> always

> > had tag issues, since PreK. And she has sock issues, doesn't

like

> > the the " strings " in th hanes socks. She went through a period

> were

> > she was cutting things up- fabric, paper, her clothes, but then

> she

> > cut her hair. That was in 1st grade. When I asked her why she did

> it

> > she said that the piece of hair she cut was bothering her and she

> > needed to cut it! Of course she decided to do this on parent

> > observation day at school!! Luckily she has curley hair and I

was

> > able to cover up the new hair cut with hair tie. Even as a baby I

> > remember I couldn't keep her in the same room with me because she

> > would do this grunting that would keep me awake. All my other

> kids

> > slept in our room until they were 3 months old, but not her she

> was

> > so loud! Was all this OCD or just normal kid stuff. I knoe

> plenty

> > of mom's whose children have done all the things my child has

> done,

> > but their kids don't have OCD. That make me wonder if those

early

> > signs were just normal behavior or OCD??

> >

> > We are really struggling with what to do to help her. We have

> done

> > the CBT and are trying to implement that at home, but I get

> > frustrated because sometimes I feel like my daughter is not

> trying.

> > She is also EXTREMELY explosive!! She has always been touchy and

> > easily upset about things, but it seems since she has been

> fighting

> > the OCD she is really " OVER THE TOP " with her RAGE!!! I guess

> this

> > is related to the OCD, but I don't know. WHen she gets upset

that

> > something doen't go her way, she will run off- Litterally, she

> will

> > run away! I could go on and on, but I am sure you all have been

> > there.

> > I guess I was just wondering about her fits of rage- is this part

> of

> > OCD?? I know she will go nuts if I stop her from doing her

> > complusions, but what about a simple correction or direction for

> her

> > to turn tv off and come to dinner, or she is told she can't have

> > something- she will go CRAZY screamming a major etmper tantrum.

> This

> > doesn't happen all the time, but more than I would like.

> >

> > Also, is there hope for her w/o medication??? I am not that

crazy

> > about medicating her. And could she have ODD or ADD w/ OCD.

Does

> > anyone have a child that has the comorbid diagnosis???

> >

> >

> > Any tips/advise would be greatly appreciated.-

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > DC

>

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for the reply. It's funny you mention the noise issue,. I

remember when my daughter was first having all these problems, she

was complaining about people talking to loud and the people she ws

complaining about were talking at a normal level! I also remember

her lying in bed at night screamming acrossed the hallway to my other

daughters room. SHe was yelling at us to be quite she couldn't sleep-

we were whispering!

What did your dr. do with your son??? I would love to get her off

this negative defiant kick!!!!!

DC

> > > >

> > > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)) )))). I'm sorry your own scrupulosity

is

> > > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and your

> kid's

> > > OCD

> > > > at the same time. ( <sigh>

> > > >

> > > > Hugs and Prayers,

> > > > BJ

> > >

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

BJ,

Thanks so much fro responding-it really helps to talk and hear what

other are going through or been through.

I wasn't sure what BPD was- maybe I don't want to know??? I am still

not sure what brought all this about and of course I feel maybe it

was something I did- too hard on her or too easy on her, I just don't

know. The reality is it's here and no matter how it has manifested

itself " it's got her " !!!

We have been to a psychiatrist and he diagnosed her with classic

textbook OCD. At that point he refered us to a study being done out

of Hopkins and we have completed that. Now that we are done we have

no therapist for her and have been trying to keep things going

ourselves. However, I think she is starting to slip and maybe

posibly pick up a few new habits. The therapy has never really freed

her completely of her compulsions, but it did cut them down. She

does do the practicing, but fights about doing- saying she doesn't

need to. It also seems like the practicing is NOT carrying over into

her daily routine. Meaning when she goes to the bathroom she is

still not touching the faucet with her hands- even though she will do

this in practice??? SO, I am not sure when or how long we have to

wait until it becomes automatic that she touches the faucet w/o

thinking twice.

I was wondering how old your son is and what his OCD was? What did

you do to help CBT wise?? I am not sure how to help my child at

school. SOmetimes she is in the BR fro long stretches of time and

the teacher has to send another kid to get her. I would like my

daughter to maybe try and self monitor herself with BR trips and

handwashing time, but I am not sure what would motivate her.

Any toughts would be greatly appreciated. Well I have to go the kids

are starting to get up and my peaceful morning is over!

DC -- In , " svdbyhislove "

wrote:

>

> Hi, DC. When I was frantically reading all I could on OCD, I

remember

> reading that some people can have some OC behaviors, but not the

> disorder. I suspect that a lot of people do. I know I like things

to

> be orderly and organized, yet don't have OCD. For some it can

> escalate into the disorder though. For others, I suspect it is a

> disorder from day one.

>

> I know that for some a traumatic event can set OCD off. But, for

> many, it is just there. And it sounds like your daughter falls into

> the age group where it most often seems to flare up.

>

> When our son was young, he used to have moments of frustration and

> meltdowns, where he seemed out of control. Even then, not knowing

it

> was OCD we were dealing with, I could tell he was becoming

overwhelmed

> by the situation. He outgrew it. As he got older, he was more

> capable of handling frustration in a more mature way. But, I always

> put my foot down and let him know it was not acceptable behavior. I

> don't know if your situation is like ours. It sounds like yours is

> more intense. And you could be dealing with ADD, ODD, or BPD, along

> with OCD. Have you been to see a pediatric psychiatrist? Or a

> psychologist? They would be able to diagnose correctly. Knowing

what

> you are dealing with helps because different things can require

> different treatment, whether that is medication or therapy.

>

> Medication is an individual choice. We put it off as long as we

> could. I didn't want our son on meds. But we got to a point where

we

> HAD to. It helped our son, both times he's been on it. It didn't

> make life perfect, but it took the edge off so he can

function.

>

> BJ

>

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)))))). I'm sorry your own scrupulosity

is

> > > > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and

your

> > kid's

> > > > OCD

> > > > > at the same time. ( <sigh>

> > > > >

> > > > > Hugs and Prayers,

> > > > > BJ

> > > >

> > >

> >

>