Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Hi DC, My son's therapist first started working on his excessive hand washing. He was washing his hands for 10 min or more at a time and using so much liquid hand soap that he was going thru an 80 oz refill bottle in 1 week. He wasn't using the soap dispenser anymore; pouring it straight from the refill bottle. I was tempted to buy stock in Softsoap ( I think they actually sent us a card at Christmas this year ROFL ) Anyway, the therapist had him cut down the time to 30 sec and he had to use the soap dispenser and only 2 pumps of soap. He had to record his anxiety right after washing, then 10 min later, then after 20 min. This was to show him how the anxiety would come down on its own without him having to keep washing his hands. That really did help him. His hand washing is much better now. He's kind of stuck on the next homework the therapist gave him. She's been trying different things and adjusting it. One of the things she just suggested was for him to get a voice recorder and record his coping statements that the therapist and him came up with. He is supposed to set the playback to repeat and have the recorder play and keep repeating the coping statements while he is working on the homework. We'll see if that helps. Hope this info helps. Hang in the and take care. Connie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Hi. BPD, is Bipolar Disorder, also called Manic Depression. Rage is a symptom of it . ..Not meaning that is what your daughter is dealing with. It sounds like she was evaluated and diagnosed, and it seems that would be evident during the evaluation. Josh is now 16. He was diagnosed at 8?, 9?, 10? Gee, can't really remember. Looking back, he always showed signs of OCD. He deals with physical rituals and instrusive thoughts, along with Generalized Anxiety Disorder. He has gone through bathroom issues, to hand washing. It has changed over the years. For many years, we struggled through it, part of that time not knowing what we were dealing with. He went on medication when it got so bad he could not leave the house. He couldn't be that far from a bathroom. He would spend hours in the bathroom, telling us it felt like he couldn't get all of his pee out. I had NO clue (then) it was OCD related. He dealt with it for three years, and docs had no clue. I'm surprised it didn't scar him, mentally, for life, coping with that for so long. The turning point for us was suspecting it was OCD, and trying medication. Within a week, he was doing better. Within two, his bathroom problems disappeared. He tells me he doesn't really even remember it now. Thankfully. Other issues for him have been clothing sensitivity, hoarding, flipping light switches, things needing to be at the " correct " angle, lining things up, counting, repetitive thoughts, scrupulosity, etc. After a few years, we took him off of his meds to see if he could live without them, and he did well for about 8 months. Then, he relapsed REALLY hard. He was the worst he had ever been. He couldn't eat or sleep, and spent most of the day on the sofa, white faced, in the fetal position. We started meds again, immediately. . But, because they take a while to work and he was so bad, it was months before he started to snap out of it. I started aggressively searching for a qualified therapist. It took me three months, but I finally found one. We started seeing him and Josh started working on his OCD. He has been doing ERP (exposure and response/ritual prevention), and slowly losing his rituals. Most are going away, but some are just lessening to the point that he can ignore them. We are still working and have the " thoughts " to deal with yet. Between the correct therapy and medication, he is doing much better. Is your daughter's bathroom issues only handwashing, or is there a problem with urinating too? It is not uncommon for kids with OCD to have issues going to the bathroom. A good, qualified therapist is hard to find, but oh so worth it. If you can't find one, or can't afford one, there are a few books that are written to help walk you through treatment at home. We tried them, but found our son responded better with a psychologist. He feels he has to answer to the psychologist, so it encourages him to be accountable. Plus, the therapist seems to be able to talk him into doing things that I can't. The books, if you are interested are. . . Talking Back to OCD by March Helping your Child with OCD by Lee Fitzgibbons and Cherry Pedrick The whole point with ERP is to desensitize yourself to the rituals, until they lose the power over you, they have. One example of ERP that our son did was,. . . . He had issues with having to make sure ALL drawers throughout our house, were shut. He would run his hand down the fronts of the drawers to make 100% positive, that they were shut, even though he could see with his eyes they were. His homework was to purposely leave a few drawers in each room, ajar. He was not allowed to shut them. When that did not make his " uncomfortableness " drop enough, he had to open a drawer and look at it for 15 minutes a day. Eventually, his NEED to have the drawers closed, left. I said " uncomfortableness " above (even though it's probably not a real word <grin>) because with his OCD, he felt things needed to be " just right " . Some kids have anxiety attached to their rituals, but some just need it to feel right. Hope some of this was helpful. ) BJ > > > > > > > > > > > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)))))). I'm sorry your own scrupulosity > is > > > > > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and > your > > > kid's > > > > > OCD > > > > > > at the same time. ( <sigh> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hugs and Prayers, > > > > > > BJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Hi, just wondering what meds helped Josh??? Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)))))). I'm sorry your own scrupulosity > > is > > > > > > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and > > your > > > > kid's > > > > > > OCD > > > > > > > at the same time. ( <sigh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hugs and Prayers, > > > > > > > BJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 DC, The doctor explained to my son and, most importantly, ME that under state law, a minor is not allowed to own property, money, nothing. So everything in our house is mine and my husband's and we only allow our son to use it. Therefore, he has no right to destroy any of our property. He has no rights, basically, only privileges. And in our last session, when my son got angry with me and threatened to hit me, the doctor said, " If I have any inkling that you have laid a hand on this woman, I will personally call the police, have them pull your car over and take you into custody. Assault is against the law. " Had I not been so scared and surprised myself, I might not have been able to keep a straight face! As for the " fits " , he told my son that was the way a three year old acts, not an eight year old. He said when my son started to throw a fit, I should do this thing with my hand--make a scissors motion and say " Cut " ...make a fist pounding motion and say " It " ...stick my thumb out over my shoulder and say " OUT " . If he hasn't pulled himself together by then, he's out of wherever we are and into time out. In short, we're talking ZERO tolerance, which is a lot less than I had been using. That's all I can remember. Maybe you can use some of this. Again, this son wasn't OCD, so it was probably a simpler situation. Re: when ocd strikes , Thanks for the reply. It's funny you mention the noise issue,. I remember when my daughter was first having all these problems, she was complaining about people talking to loud and the people she ws complaining about were talking at a normal level! I also remember her lying in bed at night screamming acrossed the hallway to my other daughters room. SHe was yelling at us to be quite she couldn't sleep- we were whispering! What did your dr. do with your son??? I would love to get her off this negative defiant kick!!!!! DC > > > > > > > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)) )))). I'm sorry your own scrupulosity is > > > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and your > kid's > > > OCD > > > > at the same time. 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Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 I just wanted to thank everyone for sharing their stories about themselves and their children. It's quite the " silent " fight and it is so helpful hearing from other people and the advice is sooo helpful. Glad to hear things are looking up. Candi --- In , " svdbyhislove " wrote: > > I'm really glad you are here. :-) And I'm really glad you have this > place where you can talk, and be understood. It's really hard when > nobody gets it. Even my sister doesn't really get it, and my nephew > has OCD. But, he is much less severe than our son, so she's never had > to deal with some of the stuff we've had to. > > I know it always helps me to talk to others who can relate and are > going through the same things. > > It's not a " misery loves company " situation, although OCD can make for > misery. But, rather, I think it is a " not feeling so alone " thing. . > Not feeling isolated. > > And there is always the bonus of sharing information on what has worked. > > Hugs to you. > > BJ > > > > > > > > > >***************** > > > I have read that traumatic events can bring on OCD symptoms earlier > > > than they would have otherwise. > > > ****************** > > > > > > Connie, did it say it would increase the severity too? I suspect > > the > > > answer is yes, because I know even now every little bump in the road > > > can stir things up. Even a common cold here. > > > > > > I have to say, I noticed things when Josh was young, that I NOW know > > > were OCD at work. But his behavior increased a lot when I had some > > > serious health problems. The night I spent in the hospital in > > > critical care, was really hard on him. My husband said he couldn't > > > sleep and he cried on and off all night, wanting me there. It was a > > > lot for a 4 year old to deal with. I know the following months were > > > traumatic, with trips to the ER in ambulances, etc., some where he > > > rode with me. He still remembers it. That's not good for any > > > child, but in a child with OCD, it's got to add to the anxiety. > > > > > > Yet, I've also read it can hit at a certain age. > > > > > > Here is a quote from Dr. Aureen Wagner's book. . . > > > > > > " OCD usually appears between the ages of seven and 12, and most > > > commonly around age 10. It can begin as early as ages three to five > > > for children with a strong family history of OCD. About half of the > > > adults who have OCD say their symptoms began before age 15. Most > > > people with OCD develop it before the age of 25. Only 15% develop > > it > > > after the age of 35. Boys with OCD tend to develop it earlier than > > > girls, typically before the age of 12. Girls' symptoms are likely > > to > > > starrt during early adolescence. " > > > > > > I'm sure traumatic events are never helpful though. > > > > > > I'm glad you all got out of the fire safely, Connie. How scary. > > > > > > BJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ****************** > > > > > > > > Hi Candi, > > > > > > > > We've only known that our 17 yr old son has OCD for about the > > > last 6 > > > > months or so. But now that I know so much more about OCD, I know > > he had > > > > symptoms when he was much younger. In fact, I think he first > > started > > > > having symptoms at age 4 or 5. When he was 4 1/2, we had a house > > fire. > > > > We were home at the time, but everyone got out safely. However, > > it was > > > > very traumatic for all of us. Now when I look back, I can recall > > that > > > > about that time, he had a peculiar way of playing with his cars. > > Judy > > > > mentioned her son lining up cars; our son did that. They had to > > be > > > > lined up perfectly. When he would park the cars, he had to pull > > them > > > > into their parking spot, pull them back out, then back in, etc. > > until he > > > > was finally satisfied they were parked just right. At the time I > > just > > > > thought he had an interesting way of playing with his cars. His > > OCD > > > > symptoms have always been very mild until recently here. I have > > read > > > > that traumatic events can bring on OCD symptoms earlier than they > > would > > > > have otherwise. > > > > > > > > Connie > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 I just wanted to thank everyone for sharing their stories about themselves and their children. It's quite the " silent " fight and it is so helpful hearing from other people and the advice is sooo helpful. Glad to hear things are looking up. Candi --- In , " svdbyhislove " wrote: > > I'm really glad you are here. :-) And I'm really glad you have this > place where you can talk, and be understood. It's really hard when > nobody gets it. Even my sister doesn't really get it, and my nephew > has OCD. But, he is much less severe than our son, so she's never had > to deal with some of the stuff we've had to. > > I know it always helps me to talk to others who can relate and are > going through the same things. > > It's not a " misery loves company " situation, although OCD can make for > misery. But, rather, I think it is a " not feeling so alone " thing. . > Not feeling isolated. > > And there is always the bonus of sharing information on what has worked. > > Hugs to you. > > BJ > > > > > > > > > >***************** > > > I have read that traumatic events can bring on OCD symptoms earlier > > > than they would have otherwise. > > > ****************** > > > > > > Connie, did it say it would increase the severity too? I suspect > > the > > > answer is yes, because I know even now every little bump in the road > > > can stir things up. Even a common cold here. > > > > > > I have to say, I noticed things when Josh was young, that I NOW know > > > were OCD at work. But his behavior increased a lot when I had some > > > serious health problems. The night I spent in the hospital in > > > critical care, was really hard on him. My husband said he couldn't > > > sleep and he cried on and off all night, wanting me there. It was a > > > lot for a 4 year old to deal with. I know the following months were > > > traumatic, with trips to the ER in ambulances, etc., some where he > > > rode with me. He still remembers it. That's not good for any > > > child, but in a child with OCD, it's got to add to the anxiety. > > > > > > Yet, I've also read it can hit at a certain age. > > > > > > Here is a quote from Dr. Aureen Wagner's book. . . > > > > > > " OCD usually appears between the ages of seven and 12, and most > > > commonly around age 10. It can begin as early as ages three to five > > > for children with a strong family history of OCD. About half of the > > > adults who have OCD say their symptoms began before age 15. Most > > > people with OCD develop it before the age of 25. Only 15% develop > > it > > > after the age of 35. Boys with OCD tend to develop it earlier than > > > girls, typically before the age of 12. Girls' symptoms are likely > > to > > > starrt during early adolescence. " > > > > > > I'm sure traumatic events are never helpful though. > > > > > > I'm glad you all got out of the fire safely, Connie. How scary. > > > > > > BJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ****************** > > > > > > > > Hi Candi, > > > > > > > > We've only known that our 17 yr old son has OCD for about the > > > last 6 > > > > months or so. But now that I know so much more about OCD, I know > > he had > > > > symptoms when he was much younger. In fact, I think he first > > started > > > > having symptoms at age 4 or 5. When he was 4 1/2, we had a house > > fire. > > > > We were home at the time, but everyone got out safely. However, > > it was > > > > very traumatic for all of us. Now when I look back, I can recall > > that > > > > about that time, he had a peculiar way of playing with his cars. > > Judy > > > > mentioned her son lining up cars; our son did that. They had to > > be > > > > lined up perfectly. When he would park the cars, he had to pull > > them > > > > into their parking spot, pull them back out, then back in, etc. > > until he > > > > was finally satisfied they were parked just right. At the time I > > just > > > > thought he had an interesting way of playing with his cars. His > > OCD > > > > symptoms have always been very mild until recently here. I have > > read > > > > that traumatic events can bring on OCD symptoms earlier than they > > would > > > > have otherwise. > > > > > > > > Connie > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 DC - I was trying ot read up on some of your recent posts..you mentioned how your dd thought everyone was talking loud, or yelling at her sister to keep quiet when you all were whispering. Some children with sensory issues have obviously, a heightened sensitivity to things. ie. clothing, loudness, touch, etc. Everything that you mentioned in the beginning. I do not mean to ask you this in a way to come off harsh, but how long have you let her storm out when something doesn't go her way, or placated her so you didn't have to deal with the meltdowns? Do you all feel like you walk around on egg shells around her? Also, when you are calm at first does she push, push, push until you finally start to yell? My dd was almost 9 when she was diagnosed with OCD (intrusive thought, just right) and of being a highly sensitive child. She wouldn't have fits of rage but she would definitely have major meltdowns. Tears. But she did because SHE KNEW we would eventually cave into her demands. Some very simple things you could try (and it will take time - it won't happen over night) 5 minute warnings: dinner in 5 min. then count down every min. Same with TV or anything she is involved or focused on. But first, I would get down to her level and look in her eyes and say that things need to change around here. Say to her... " I know you don't like it when...(fill in the blank) so mommy and daddy are going to start (1) letting you know 5 min. ahead of time when you need to come to dinner or turn off tv or go get ready for bed. (2) We will not tolerate the outbursts. If you get explosive, then you will have a time-out in your room or we will take away (blank) Something that she loves to do...tv, color, whatever it is. Remember, she is 8 and it will tak elots of patience to undue a behavior that she has probably had for quite awhile that you have now just realized has gotten impossible. That is why people normally seek help. I can tell you that is why we did. She was always a little OCD (lol) I called them quirks. Much that were similar to you dd's. But it wasn't until it changed its course and reared it's ugly " intrusive head " that we sought help. But you and your husband have got to be on the same page and be calm and patient. You should get the Highly Sensitive Child book. Again, my dd didn't have the explosive temper, she was more a crier and we were walking around on egg shells. She got away with it. But through determination and instilling boundaries and what was acceptable, did we see things change. Kids hear us loud and clear without the yelling. And sometimes, through all that yelling - no one is heard - so someone always has to yell louder. Try to be patient and firm and work with one behavior at a time. And compliment her when she isn't explosive or when she comes to dinner when her 5 min. warning is up. I hope I have helped a little. Please now that it is harder to write everything down in a gentle way. I really know how you are feeling and am just giving what worked for us. Let me know your thoughts. Hugs. > > > > > > > > > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)) )))). I'm sorry your own scrupulosity > is > > > > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and your > > kid's > > > > OCD > > > > > at the same time. 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Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 DC - I was trying ot read up on some of your recent posts..you mentioned how your dd thought everyone was talking loud, or yelling at her sister to keep quiet when you all were whispering. Some children with sensory issues have obviously, a heightened sensitivity to things. ie. clothing, loudness, touch, etc. Everything that you mentioned in the beginning. I do not mean to ask you this in a way to come off harsh, but how long have you let her storm out when something doesn't go her way, or placated her so you didn't have to deal with the meltdowns? Do you all feel like you walk around on egg shells around her? Also, when you are calm at first does she push, push, push until you finally start to yell? My dd was almost 9 when she was diagnosed with OCD (intrusive thought, just right) and of being a highly sensitive child. She wouldn't have fits of rage but she would definitely have major meltdowns. Tears. But she did because SHE KNEW we would eventually cave into her demands. Some very simple things you could try (and it will take time - it won't happen over night) 5 minute warnings: dinner in 5 min. then count down every min. Same with TV or anything she is involved or focused on. But first, I would get down to her level and look in her eyes and say that things need to change around here. Say to her... " I know you don't like it when...(fill in the blank) so mommy and daddy are going to start (1) letting you know 5 min. ahead of time when you need to come to dinner or turn off tv or go get ready for bed. (2) We will not tolerate the outbursts. If you get explosive, then you will have a time-out in your room or we will take away (blank) Something that she loves to do...tv, color, whatever it is. Remember, she is 8 and it will tak elots of patience to undue a behavior that she has probably had for quite awhile that you have now just realized has gotten impossible. That is why people normally seek help. I can tell you that is why we did. She was always a little OCD (lol) I called them quirks. Much that were similar to you dd's. But it wasn't until it changed its course and reared it's ugly " intrusive head " that we sought help. But you and your husband have got to be on the same page and be calm and patient. You should get the Highly Sensitive Child book. Again, my dd didn't have the explosive temper, she was more a crier and we were walking around on egg shells. She got away with it. But through determination and instilling boundaries and what was acceptable, did we see things change. Kids hear us loud and clear without the yelling. And sometimes, through all that yelling - no one is heard - so someone always has to yell louder. Try to be patient and firm and work with one behavior at a time. And compliment her when she isn't explosive or when she comes to dinner when her 5 min. warning is up. I hope I have helped a little. Please now that it is harder to write everything down in a gentle way. I really know how you are feeling and am just giving what worked for us. Let me know your thoughts. Hugs. > > > > > > > > > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)) )))). I'm sorry your own scrupulosity > is > > > > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and your > > kid's > > > > OCD > > > > > at the same time. 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Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Connie, I like the idea about recording the anxiety level after she washes her hands. How does he record it, rate by numbers? I think I will do this with my daughter. She has this thing were she keeps wiping after she goes to the BR, she doesn't feel like she is clean enough. She has been clogging the toilets up and missing lots of class time. ANy advise on to how to help her at school?? I feel like she needs someone with her all day to monitor her behavior. Thanks again for sharing. Please let me know how your son did the rating. My daughter is only 8, so I think whatever it is it would need to be simple. Did your therapist set a number on how many times he could wash his hands or when he could wash or are you just concentrating on the time thing for now?? Thanks, DC > > Hi DC, > My son's therapist first started working on his excessive hand > washing. He was washing his hands for 10 min or more at a time and > using so much liquid hand soap that he was going thru an 80 oz refill > bottle in 1 week. He wasn't using the soap dispenser anymore; > pouring it straight from the refill bottle. I was tempted to buy > stock in Softsoap ( I think they actually sent us a card at Christmas > this year ROFL ) Anyway, the therapist had him cut down the time to > 30 sec and he had to use the soap dispenser and only 2 pumps of > soap. He had to record his anxiety right after washing, then 10 min > later, then after 20 min. This was to show him how the anxiety would > come down on its own without him having to keep washing his hands. > That really did help him. His hand washing is much better now. He's > kind of stuck on the next homework the therapist gave him. She's > been trying different things and adjusting it. One of the things she > just suggested was for him to get a voice recorder and record his > coping statements that the therapist and him came up with. He is > supposed to set the playback to repeat and have the recorder play and > keep repeating the coping statements while he is working on the > homework. We'll see if that helps. > Hope this info helps. Hang in the and take care. > > Connie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Connie, I like the idea about recording the anxiety level after she washes her hands. How does he record it, rate by numbers? I think I will do this with my daughter. She has this thing were she keeps wiping after she goes to the BR, she doesn't feel like she is clean enough. She has been clogging the toilets up and missing lots of class time. ANy advise on to how to help her at school?? I feel like she needs someone with her all day to monitor her behavior. Thanks again for sharing. Please let me know how your son did the rating. My daughter is only 8, so I think whatever it is it would need to be simple. Did your therapist set a number on how many times he could wash his hands or when he could wash or are you just concentrating on the time thing for now?? Thanks, DC > > Hi DC, > My son's therapist first started working on his excessive hand > washing. He was washing his hands for 10 min or more at a time and > using so much liquid hand soap that he was going thru an 80 oz refill > bottle in 1 week. He wasn't using the soap dispenser anymore; > pouring it straight from the refill bottle. I was tempted to buy > stock in Softsoap ( I think they actually sent us a card at Christmas > this year ROFL ) Anyway, the therapist had him cut down the time to > 30 sec and he had to use the soap dispenser and only 2 pumps of > soap. He had to record his anxiety right after washing, then 10 min > later, then after 20 min. This was to show him how the anxiety would > come down on its own without him having to keep washing his hands. > That really did help him. His hand washing is much better now. He's > kind of stuck on the next homework the therapist gave him. She's > been trying different things and adjusting it. One of the things she > just suggested was for him to get a voice recorder and record his > coping statements that the therapist and him came up with. He is > supposed to set the playback to repeat and have the recorder play and > keep repeating the coping statements while he is working on the > homework. We'll see if that helps. > Hope this info helps. Hang in the and take care. > > Connie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 BJ, Thanks for getting back to me. My daughter's compulsions are more then just the hand washing. She also has this issue were she just doesn't feel like she clean enough and continues to wipe- until she ends up clogging the toilets! And for a little while she was having the issue about having to pee over and over and over... just like your son, but that kinda just went away (thanks GOD!). SHe does a lot of washing after she goes to the bathroom- she washes her arms, all the way to her elbows. She has been slipping back since our therapy session have ended, but today has been the worst. Her teacher said she missed most of her math class today because she was in the BR and when she finally did join the class she didn't get any work don. The teacher says really is not on task and not getting her class work done. I feel like I don't know how to help her at school?? Do you have any suggestions??? I just schedule a reevaluation with the original DR we saw back in Nov. , but he can't see her until 4/21!! I often wondered if she might be bipolar, but I don't really know much about the dx. If do know she has been very defiant and just says and does the opposite of everything you ask of her. Tonight she took FOREVER to do her homework and while she was doing it she kept getting up out of her chair and walking around-dancing, swinging her head around to make her self dizzy. It was like she was in her own little world of distracting herself!! If she would ask for help and I tried to help her she would start YELLING and not listening if she didn't think I was doing it right or maybe she didn't understand- I really don't know!! I just can't believe what my house has become since OCD has been around. SHe has always been tough to deal with, but she has fall over the edge and has pushed everyone over with her!!!! Sorry about all the rambling, but it's just VERY stressfull dealing with this CRAP(as I am sure you know)!!!!! I wish it would all just disappear- some times I wish I could just disappear, but then who would she have... Thanks for listening, DC , " svdbyhislove " wrote: > > Hi. BPD, is Bipolar Disorder, also called Manic Depression. Rage is a > symptom of it . ..Not meaning that is what your daughter is dealing > with. It sounds like she was evaluated and diagnosed, and it seems > that would be evident during the evaluation. > > Josh is now 16. He was diagnosed at 8?, 9?, 10? Gee, can't really > remember. Looking back, he always showed signs of OCD. > > He deals with physical rituals and instrusive thoughts, along with > Generalized Anxiety Disorder. > > He has gone through bathroom issues, to hand washing. It has changed > over the years. For many years, we struggled through it, part of that > time not knowing what we were dealing with. He went on medication > when it got so bad he could not leave the house. He couldn't be that > far from a bathroom. He would spend hours in the bathroom, telling us > it felt like he couldn't get all of his pee out. I had NO clue (then) > it was OCD related. He dealt with it for three years, and docs had no > clue. I'm surprised it didn't scar him, mentally, for life, coping > with that for so long. The turning point for us was suspecting it was > OCD, and trying medication. Within a week, he was doing better. > Within two, his bathroom problems disappeared. He tells me he doesn't > really even remember it now. Thankfully. > > Other issues for him have been clothing sensitivity, hoarding, > flipping light switches, things needing to be at the " correct " angle, > lining things up, counting, repetitive thoughts, scrupulosity, etc. > > After a few years, we took him off of his meds to see if he could live > without them, and he did well for about 8 months. Then, he relapsed > REALLY hard. He was the worst he had ever been. He couldn't eat or > sleep, and spent most of the day on the sofa, white faced, in the > fetal position. We started meds again, immediately. . But, because > they take a while to work and he was so bad, it was months before he > started to snap out of it. I started aggressively searching for a > qualified therapist. It took me three months, but I finally found one. > We started seeing him and Josh started working on his OCD. He has > been doing ERP (exposure and response/ritual prevention), and slowly > losing his rituals. Most are going away, but some are just lessening > to the point that he can ignore them. We are still working and have > the " thoughts " to deal with yet. Between the correct therapy and > medication, he is doing much better. > > Is your daughter's bathroom issues only handwashing, or is there a > problem with urinating too? It is not uncommon for kids with OCD to > have issues going to the bathroom. > > A good, qualified therapist is hard to find, but oh so worth it. > > If you can't find one, or can't afford one, there are a few books that > are written to help walk you through treatment at home. We tried > them, but found our son responded better with a psychologist. He > feels he has to answer to the psychologist, so it encourages him to be > accountable. Plus, the therapist seems to be able to talk him into > doing things that I can't. > > The books, if you are interested are. . . > > Talking Back to OCD by March > > Helping your Child with OCD by Lee Fitzgibbons and Cherry Pedrick > > The whole point with ERP is to desensitize yourself to the rituals, > until they lose the power over you, they have. One example of ERP > that our son did was,. . . . He had issues with having to make sure > ALL drawers throughout our house, were shut. He would run his hand > down the fronts of the drawers to make 100% positive, that they were > shut, even though he could see with his eyes they were. His homework > was to purposely leave a few drawers in each room, ajar. He was not > allowed to shut them. When that did not make his " uncomfortableness " > drop enough, he had to open a drawer and look at it for 15 minutes a > day. Eventually, his NEED to have the drawers closed, left. > > I said " uncomfortableness " above (even though it's probably not a real > word <grin>) because with his OCD, he felt things needed to be " just > right " . Some kids have anxiety attached to their rituals, but some > just need it to feel right. > > Hope some of this was helpful. ) > > BJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)))))). I'm sorry your own scrupulosity > > is > > > > > > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and > > your > > > > kid's > > > > > > OCD > > > > > > > at the same time. 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Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 , Thanks for th einformation. We have been using the 1-2-3 Magic! But it doesn't alway work like " magic " , but it has helped. SHe is such tough and strong willed kid. She did start hitting at me and at first I really didn't do much about it because I thought it was really not her fault becaue it was the OCD rages. But our therapist told us to be strong and let her know that this behavior will not be tolerated and she will get time out or have privledges taken away. We started to do that and it has really worked, but she is still yelling- a lot!!! She is also having trouble at school do to her BR compulsions. Sh e is missing a lot of class time and not focused when she is in the classroom. I was asking others if they have any suggestions on how to keep her in the classroom. DO you have any issue with school and OCD? I am not sure what to do to help her stay focused and out of the BR?? The teacher has 30 kids in the class and there is only one counselor and 1 nurse. She needs a BR montitor??? I just don't know...????? Thanks for helping, DC > > > > > > > > > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)) )))). I'm sorry your own scrupulosity > is > > > > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and your > > kid's > > > > OCD > > > > > at the same time. 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Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 DC, I know exactly how you feel. This can be so overwhelming, but it can get better for us, even if the disease doesn't. My son has such a hard time focusing on his homework for more than a few minutes. Anything that feels stressful to him sends him off in another direction to distract himself. I've had some luck letting him do his homework in front of the television. It helps him relax, and as long as he can do it, I'm fine with that. And like your daughter, even if he has asked me for help, he is very short on patience. One thing that has helped us this semester: the school psychologist (part-time) " invited " my son to participate in Guided Study Hall during the elective period once a week. It's by invite only. Such an honor. Anyway, he has an entire hour to focus on homework and I guess there is staff there to assist him and keep him on task. He's always happy on Tuesdays when he can come home and tell me he has already completed all or most of his homework. I forgot how old your daughter is, but might there be something similar in her school? Hang in there, DC. We've all been there, and we've survived! Re: when ocd strikes BJ, Thanks for getting back to me. My daughter's compulsions are more then just the hand washing. She also has this issue were she just doesn't feel like she clean enough and continues to wipe- until she ends up clogging the toilets! And for a little while she was having the issue about having to pee over and over and over... just like your son, but that kinda just went away (thanks GOD!). SHe does a lot of washing after she goes to the bathroom- she washes her arms, all the way to her elbows. She has been slipping back since our therapy session have ended, but today has been the worst. Her teacher said she missed most of her math class today because she was in the BR and when she finally did join the class she didn't get any work don. The teacher says really is not on task and not getting her class work done. I feel like I don't know how to help her at school?? Do you have any suggestions? ?? I just schedule a reevaluation with the original DR we saw back in Nov. , but he can't see her until 4/21!! I often wondered if she might be bipolar, but I don't really know much about the dx. If do know she has been very defiant and just says and does the opposite of everything you ask of her. Tonight she took FOREVER to do her homework and while she was doing it she kept getting up out of her chair and walking around-dancing, swinging her head around to make her self dizzy. It was like she was in her own little world of distracting herself!! If she would ask for help and I tried to help her she would start YELLING and not listening if she didn't think I was doing it right or maybe she didn't understand- I really don't know!! I just can't believe what my house has become since OCD has been around. SHe has always been tough to deal with, but she has fall over the edge and has pushed everyone over with her!!!! Sorry about all the rambling, but it's just VERY stressfull dealing with this CRAP(as I am sure you know)!!!!! I wish it would all just disappear- some times I wish I could just disappear, but then who would she have... Thanks for listening, DC @ yahoogroups. com, " svdbyhislove " <BJClosner@. ..> wrote: > > Hi. BPD, is Bipolar Disorder, also called Manic Depression. Rage is a > symptom of it . ..Not meaning that is what your daughter is dealing > with. It sounds like she was evaluated and diagnosed, and it seems > that would be evident during the evaluation. > > Josh is now 16. He was diagnosed at 8?, 9?, 10? Gee, can't really > remember. Looking back, he always showed signs of OCD. > > He deals with physical rituals and instrusive thoughts, along with > Generalized Anxiety Disorder. > > He has gone through bathroom issues, to hand washing. It has changed > over the years. For many years, we struggled through it, part of that > time not knowing what we were dealing with. He went on medication > when it got so bad he could not leave the house. He couldn't be that > far from a bathroom. He would spend hours in the bathroom, telling us > it felt like he couldn't get all of his pee out. I had NO clue (then) > it was OCD related. He dealt with it for three years, and docs had no > clue. I'm surprised it didn't scar him, mentally, for life, coping > with that for so long. The turning point for us was suspecting it was > OCD, and trying medication. Within a week, he was doing better. > Within two, his bathroom problems disappeared. He tells me he doesn't > really even remember it now. Thankfully. > > Other issues for him have been clothing sensitivity, hoarding, > flipping light switches, things needing to be at the " correct " angle, > lining things up, counting, repetitive thoughts, scrupulosity, etc. > > After a few years, we took him off of his meds to see if he could live > without them, and he did well for about 8 months. Then, he relapsed > REALLY hard. He was the worst he had ever been. He couldn't eat or > sleep, and spent most of the day on the sofa, white faced, in the > fetal position. We started meds again, immediately. . But, because > they take a while to work and he was so bad, it was months before he > started to snap out of it. I started aggressively searching for a > qualified therapist. It took me three months, but I finally found one. > We started seeing him and Josh started working on his OCD. He has > been doing ERP (exposure and response/ritual prevention), and slowly > losing his rituals. Most are going away, but some are just lessening > to the point that he can ignore them. We are still working and have > the " thoughts " to deal with yet. Between the correct therapy and > medication, he is doing much better. > > Is your daughter's bathroom issues only handwashing, or is there a > problem with urinating too? It is not uncommon for kids with OCD to > have issues going to the bathroom. > > A good, qualified therapist is hard to find, but oh so worth it. > > If you can't find one, or can't afford one, there are a few books that > are written to help walk you through treatment at home. We tried > them, but found our son responded better with a psychologist. He > feels he has to answer to the psychologist, so it encourages him to be > accountable. Plus, the therapist seems to be able to talk him into > doing things that I can't. > > The books, if you are interested are. . . > > Talking Back to OCD by March > > Helping your Child with OCD by Lee Fitzgibbons and Cherry Pedrick > > The whole point with ERP is to desensitize yourself to the rituals, > until they lose the power over you, they have. One example of ERP > that our son did was,. . . . He had issues with having to make sure > ALL drawers throughout our house, were shut. He would run his hand > down the fronts of the drawers to make 100% positive, that they were > shut, even though he could see with his eyes they were. His homework > was to purposely leave a few drawers in each room, ajar. He was not > allowed to shut them. When that did not make his " uncomfortableness " > drop enough, he had to open a drawer and look at it for 15 minutes a > day. Eventually, his NEED to have the drawers closed, left. > > I said " uncomfortableness " above (even though it's probably not a real > word <grin>) because with his OCD, he felt things needed to be " just > right " . Some kids have anxiety attached to their rituals, but some > just need it to feel right. > > Hope some of this was helpful. ) > > BJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)) )))). I'm sorry your own scrupulosity > > is > > > > > > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and > > your > > > > kid's > > > > > > OCD > > > > > > > at the same time. 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Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Oh DC - I know what you are going through. We all do. I remember the homework times when we would go in and help and she would end up getting frustrated or yelling that we didn't know what we were doing or she didn't want help. Do not let her be disrespectful. I remember clearly her Dr. said to walk right out and say, " I will not be talked to that way. When you want to be kind and not yell and be disrespectful then I will help. We can try again tomorrow if you need help. " Don't say anything else. Then close the door. Be very calm. That is key. And trust me, there were many times I would get angry and we would battle. Waste of time. LOL Made me want to get out for a real long time. She is now in 4th grade and I can see when she is frustrated but she knows she has two choices: either get help or not. Her choice. What grade is she in? Another thing we did during this time was she was sent to her room for homework at 4:30. She had to do as much as she could on her own. Whatever was left for help, then we would go in and help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)))))). I'm sorry your own > scrupulosity > > > is > > > > > > > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and > > > your > > > > > kid's > > > > > > > OCD > > > > > > > > at the same time. ( <sigh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hugs and Prayers, > > > > > > > > BJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Ok...have another suggestion... Coins. I have shared this a few times in this group. It worked wonders for our dd for a different issue and might help - but I don't know. She can have a ouple of coins to go to school with. Those coins represent the number of times she can use the restroom. Then something should be made fun or given as a reward if she comes back quickly. First someone needs to time how long she is in there for? Whatever the amount is cut it down and continue to cut it down wekk by week and have the teacher implement a reward...When she is in class, she should always be sitting in the front of the class. Always! If the teacher notices she is distracted, have her gently tap her on the shoulder. Let your dd know the teacher will do this to have her know that the she realizes she is distracted. > > > > > > > > > > > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)) )))). I'm sorry your own scrupulosity > > is > > > > > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and your > > > kid's > > > > > OCD > > > > > > at the same time. 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Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 ((((DC)))) <sigh> I know the desperation you are feeling. I remember it well. We went through clogged toilets and a roll of toilet paper with each visit to the bathroom. One thing that helped a lot was using baby wipes, because the toilet paper can be so irritating. Plus they can put them in the trash bag instead of the toilet. You could try that temporarily, until you can get her to try some ERP, or choose to try meds, if you aren't already. We also went through tons of soap and sinks full of suds. Along with hands and wrists that were cracked and bleeding. Both of these situations happened before we knew we were dealing with OCD, so we just dealt the best we could. There are some liquid soaps that are much less drying and can help. I've heard some in here talk of them. I wish I knew the names of them. I'm hoping someone will respond who can let you know of them. Does your daughter see a therapist? She might respond to Exposure and Response/Ritual Prevention and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. Is she on meds? One or both might help her turn things around. It sounds like she is going through a really rough patch. Another thing, she might be having problems with school work because she might be having a hard time shutting out the OCD enough to concentrate. Our son has gone through that. He would put his head down at times and groan. . Saying he couldn't focus. When the OCD is bad, it is hard to shut it out enough to stay focused. I know things are incredibly tough right now, but it will get better. OCD waxes and wanes. Hang in there. BJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)))))). I'm sorry your own > scrupulosity > > > is > > > > > > > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and > > > your > > > > > kid's > > > > > > > OCD > > > > > > > > at the same time. ( <sigh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hugs and Prayers, > > > > > > > > BJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 Hi DC, Our son uses a scale of 1 to 10 to record his anxiety level. So, I think that would work with your daughter. Seems simple enough. The therapist did also limit the number of times he could wash his hands each day to 10 times. But, the nbr of times he washed his hands really wasn't an issue. It was more the length of time and the amount of soap he was using. I think she included the limit on the nbr of times he washes just in case he decided to start washing more often because he wasn't washing so long each time (if that makes sense?) I can relate to the excessive toilet paper and clogging the pipes. Have that here too. Unfortunately we can't convince him to use less toilet paper or some wipes or something that can be thrown in the trash instead. He believes he has to use toilet paper and an excessive amount of it. Something we will have to wait to work on until he is ready. Unfortunately I don't have any advice on what to do at school. Our son is not in school right now. He is doing homebound instruction thru the school district. Maybe someone else here might have some suggestion. There was mention of liquid soaps that were less drying. What we have done is bought the soap dispensers with the foaming liquid soap. Because it foams up, there appears to be more soap than there really is. So, they end up using less soap without realizing it and it is less drying that way. Hope this helps. Take care Connie > > Connie, > > I like the idea about recording the anxiety level after she washes > her hands. How does he record it, rate by numbers? I think I will > do this with my daughter. She has this thing were she keeps wiping > after she goes to the BR, she doesn't feel like she is clean enough. > She has been clogging the toilets up and missing lots of class time. > ANy advise on to how to help her at school?? I feel like she needs > someone with her all day to monitor her behavior. > > Thanks again for sharing. Please let me know how your son did the > rating. My daughter is only 8, so I think whatever it is it would > need to be simple. Did your therapist set a number on how many times > he could wash his hands or when he could wash or are you just > concentrating on the time thing for now?? > > Thanks, > DC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2008 Report Share Posted April 2, 2008 -Thanks Connie. Her hands are starting to bleed agian and she is starting to wash more frequently. I don't know what to do to stop her when she makes the beeline to the BR!!! She told me she didn't want to go to lacrosse practice because her arms hurt from the washing. I tried the coin idea(from bacongirl, Ithink?) and she was not on board with it this morning, but when she came home from school the first thing she talked about were the coins. So I think I will try and push that. Thanks for the tips on the soap. Right now we have the bar soap and it is really foamming up the sinks and she is making a total MESS withit. Not to mention her hands are looking really bad!!!! I am tired tonight so I will say bye for now. Thanks again for helping. I think this site just might save me from going crazy!!!!! Dawn-- In , " Connie " wrote: > > Hi DC, > Our son uses a scale of 1 to 10 to record his anxiety level. So, > I think that would work with your daughter. Seems simple enough. > The therapist did also limit the number of times he could wash his > hands each day to 10 times. But, the nbr of times he washed his > hands really wasn't an issue. It was more the length of time and > the amount of soap he was using. I think she included the limit on > the nbr of times he washes just in case he decided to start washing > more often because he wasn't washing so long each time (if that > makes sense?) > > I can relate to the excessive toilet paper and clogging the > pipes. Have that here too. Unfortunately we can't convince him to > use less toilet paper or some wipes or something that can be thrown > in the trash instead. He believes he has to use toilet paper and > an excessive amount of it. Something we will have to wait to work > on until he is ready. > > Unfortunately I don't have any advice on what to do at school. > Our son is not in school right now. He is doing homebound > instruction thru the school district. Maybe someone else here might > have some suggestion. > > There was mention of liquid soaps that were less drying. What we > have done is bought the soap dispensers with the foaming liquid > soap. Because it foams up, there appears to be more soap than there > really is. So, they end up using less soap without realizing it and > it is less drying that way. > > Hope this helps. Take care > Connie > > > > > > > Connie, > > > > I like the idea about recording the anxiety level after she washes > > her hands. How does he record it, rate by numbers? I think I > will > > do this with my daughter. She has this thing were she keeps > wiping > > after she goes to the BR, she doesn't feel like she is clean > enough. > > She has been clogging the toilets up and missing lots of class > time. > > ANy advise on to how to help her at school?? I feel like she > needs > > someone with her all day to monitor her behavior. > > > > Thanks again for sharing. Please let me know how your son did the > > rating. My daughter is only 8, so I think whatever it is it would > > need to be simple. Did your therapist set a number on how many > times > > he could wash his hands or when he could wash or are you just > > concentrating on the time thing for now?? > > > > Thanks, > > DC > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 Hi DC, My daughter washes her hands a lot as well. They get cracked and red. I am forever filling the soap pump! We haven't tackled this specifically yet, but I can share a few ideas I got from my reading. If they are not ready to stop washing, you could try getting her to change the way she does it, the order e.g. -Do it in slow motion -Change the order in which she washes, if she has a specific order -See if she can leave out just her left pinky finger, etc. - count to 10, 20, or 30 before she starts washing. The idea is to lower the temperature on the fear scale, until she feels like she can do it. My daughter (9) is VERY motivated by sticker or reward charts for her accomplishments, but it costs me a lot of money! A mom in this group mentioned handiland.com which is a very interesting for reward tracking if she is into the computer. My girls love it. Maybe you have already tried all this... Also, she has a very good thick hand cream that she applies every night before bed. Good luck! Dianne > > > > > > Connie, > > > > > > I like the idea about recording the anxiety level after she > washes > > > her hands. How does he record it, rate by numbers? I think I > > will > > > do this with my daughter. She has this thing were she keeps > > wiping > > > after she goes to the BR, she doesn't feel like she is clean > > enough. > > > She has been clogging the toilets up and missing lots of class > > time. > > > ANy advise on to how to help her at school?? I feel like she > > needs > > > someone with her all day to monitor her behavior. > > > > > > Thanks again for sharing. Please let me know how your son did > the > > > rating. My daughter is only 8, so I think whatever it is it would > > > need to be simple. Did your therapist set a number on how many > > times > > > he could wash his hands or when he could wash or are you just > > > concentrating on the time thing for now?? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > DC > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 Great ideas, Dianne! Just wanted to add a note. . . .If your child has number rituals, like our son does, the counting can become a ritual too. The poor kid always has numbers dancing in his head. If that happens, a way to combat it is. . .Have them go to a number OCD doesn't like. For instance with our son, everything is even or in multiples of specific numbers, like 5, 10, etc. His OCD is always evening everything up in his mind. So, if for example, he grabs a handful of nuts, and there are 10 in his hand, he will deliberately grab another to make it 11, a number his OCD doesn't like. So, likewise, if the counting becomes an issue, have her choose a number that OCD doesn't want, and count to that instead. And you can change that " number " she counts to up, to keep any specific number from becoming a problem. Oh, yeah, and I agree. . You can't forget the hand cream. We found Eucerin worked the best for us. BJ > > > > > > > > Connie, > > > > > > > > I like the idea about recording the anxiety level after she > > washes > > > > her hands. How does he record it, rate by numbers? I think I > > > will > > > > do this with my daughter. She has this thing were she keeps > > > wiping > > > > after she goes to the BR, she doesn't feel like she is clean > > > enough. > > > > She has been clogging the toilets up and missing lots of class > > > time. > > > > ANy advise on to how to help her at school?? I feel like she > > > needs > > > > someone with her all day to monitor her behavior. > > > > > > > > Thanks again for sharing. Please let me know how your son did > > the > > > > rating. My daughter is only 8, so I think whatever it is it would > > > > need to be simple. Did your therapist set a number on how many > > > times > > > > he could wash his hands or when he could wash or are you just > > > > concentrating on the time thing for now?? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > DC > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 **************** Oh, yeah, and I agree. . You can't forget the hand cream. We found Eucerin worked the best for us. **************** We like the Eucerin in the jar -- not the pump kind because the alcohol irritated her eczema. The pharmacist has got us hooked on Aquaphilic now. It's in a jar and is the stuff the pharmacist uses as a base for cream-applied medications. It is wonderful for the eczema but takes a bit to get it rubbed in good. Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 I was onboard, Beth, until you said it had to be rubbed in good. lol In spite of being food allergy tested and tested for pollens and molds (all came back negative), he is still going through bouts of itchiness. Rubbing things into his skin, makes it worse. I've got to get him to a dermatologist. I think I kept hoping it would just resolve itself, but that doesn't seem to be happening. Josh also deals with eczema, has since he was a week old, but this itchy stuff is something new. BJ > > **************** > Oh, yeah, and I agree. . You can't forget the hand cream. We found > Eucerin worked the best for us. > **************** > > We like the Eucerin in the jar -- not the pump kind because the alcohol > irritated her eczema. The pharmacist has got us hooked on Aquaphilic now. > It's in a jar and is the stuff the pharmacist uses as a base for > cream-applied medications. It is wonderful for the eczema but takes a bit > to get it rubbed in good. > > Beth > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 > I was onboard, Beth, until you said it had to be rubbed in good. lol Sorry, BJ - we only use the Aquaphilic at night. Otherwise she look like a ghost with the white pastey look! LOL! Maybe not a good choice for your son. Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 I have atopic dermatitis, which starts as red spots and begins to scale... also very dry skin. I use Lac-hydrin which you can get over the counter. It's just like a normal lotion but it's the ONLY thing that helps me. Re: Re: when ocd strikes > I was onboard, Beth, until you said it had to be rubbed in good. lol Sorry, BJ - we only use the Aquaphilic at night. Otherwise she look like a ghost with the white pastey look! LOL! Maybe not a good choice for your son. Beth <!-- #ygrp-mkp{ border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:14px 0px;padding:0px 14px;} #ygrp-mkp hr{ border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} #ygrp-mkp #hd{ color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:bold;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0px;} #ygrp-mkp #ads{ margin-bottom:10px;} #ygrp-mkp .ad{ padding:0 0;} #ygrp-mkp .ad a{ color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} --> <!-- #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc{ font-family:Arial;} #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd{ margin:10px 0px;font-weight:bold;font-size:78%;line-height:122%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad{ margin-bottom:10px;padding:0 0;} --> <!-- #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif;} #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} #ygrp-text{ font-family:Georgia; } #ygrp-text p{ margin:0 0 1em 0;} #ygrp-tpmsgs{ font-family:Arial; clear:both;} #ygrp-vitnav{ padding-top:10px;font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;margin:0;} #ygrp-vitnav a{ padding:0 1px;} #ygrp-actbar{ clear:both;margin:25px 0;white-space:nowrap;color:#666;text-align:right;} #ygrp-actbar .left{ float:left;white-space:nowrap;} ..bld{font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-grft{ font-family:Verdana;font-size:77%;padding:15px 0;} #ygrp-ft{ font-family:verdana;font-size:77%;border-top:1px solid #666; padding:5px 0; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ padding-bottom:10px;} #ygrp-reco { margin-bottom:20px;padding:0px;} #ygrp-reco #reco-head { font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;} #reco-grpname{ font-weight:bold;margin-top:10px;} #reco-category{ font-size:77%;} #reco-desc{ font-size:77%;} #ygrp-vital{ background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:2px 0 8px 8px;} #ygrp-vital #vithd{ font-size:77%;font-family:Verdana;font-weight:bold;color:#333;text-transform:upp\ ercase;} #ygrp-vital ul{ padding:0;margin:2px 0;} #ygrp-vital ul li{ list-style-type:none;clear:both;border:1px solid #e0ecee; } #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ font-weight:bold;color:#ff7900;float:right;width:2em;text-align:right;padding-ri\ ght:.5em;} #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ font-weight:bold;} #ygrp-vital a{ text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-vital a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ color:#999;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ padding:6px 13px;background-color:#e0ecee;margin-bottom:20px;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ padding:0 0 0 8px;margin:0;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ list-style-type:square;padding:6px 0;font-size:77%;} #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ text-decoration:none;font-size:130%;} #ygrp-sponsor #nc{ background-color:#eee;margin-bottom:20px;padding:0 8px;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ padding:8px 0;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#628c2a;font-size:100%;line-height:122%\ ;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ text-decoration:none;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ text-decoration:underline;} #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ margin:0;} o{font-size:0;} ..MsoNormal{ margin:0 0 0 0;} #ygrp-text tt{ font-size:120%;} blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} ..replbq{margin:4;} --> ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 Dianne, Thanks for all the great ideas! I would like for her to try the changing the ritual one. I suggested she try something new and she was on board until I told her exactly what she had to do. I think she balked becasue she knows it will be hard to do?? SHe had a rough day at school today-crying pretty hard over minor mishaps. She comes off very hard and tough, but then every once in a while she really just opens up to me and I see how fragile she is. She is still having a lot of trouble focusing in class and today came home with a bunch of classwork to make up. I also noticed she was washing more and very high strung when she came home. Later when she told me about her day I realized that she had a pretty stressful day. WHoever said that they thought the OCD got worse under stress was sooo right! I wish I could just get her to really focus on what I am saying, but it seems like she is just in and out. SHe is jus all over the place. Still easliy upset screamming for no good reason. Well enough rambling. Your ideas have been very helpful. Thanks so much, DC > > > > > > > > Connie, > > > > > > > > I like the idea about recording the anxiety level after she > > washes > > > > her hands. How does he record it, rate by numbers? I think I > > > will > > > > do this with my daughter. She has this thing were she keeps > > > wiping > > > > after she goes to the BR, she doesn't feel like she is clean > > > enough. > > > > She has been clogging the toilets up and missing lots of class > > > time. > > > > ANy advise on to how to help her at school?? I feel like she > > > needs > > > > someone with her all day to monitor her behavior. > > > > > > > > Thanks again for sharing. Please let me know how your son did > > the > > > > rating. My daughter is only 8, so I think whatever it is it would > > > > need to be simple. Did your therapist set a number on how many > > > times > > > > he could wash his hands or when he could wash or are you just > > > > concentrating on the time thing for now?? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > DC > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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