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Hi DC,

My son's therapist first started working on his excessive hand

washing. He was washing his hands for 10 min or more at a time and

using so much liquid hand soap that he was going thru an 80 oz refill

bottle in 1 week. He wasn't using the soap dispenser anymore;

pouring it straight from the refill bottle. I was tempted to buy

stock in Softsoap ( I think they actually sent us a card at Christmas

this year ROFL ) Anyway, the therapist had him cut down the time to

30 sec and he had to use the soap dispenser and only 2 pumps of

soap. He had to record his anxiety right after washing, then 10 min

later, then after 20 min. This was to show him how the anxiety would

come down on its own without him having to keep washing his hands.

That really did help him. His hand washing is much better now. He's

kind of stuck on the next homework the therapist gave him. She's

been trying different things and adjusting it. One of the things she

just suggested was for him to get a voice recorder and record his

coping statements that the therapist and him came up with. He is

supposed to set the playback to repeat and have the recorder play and

keep repeating the coping statements while he is working on the

homework. We'll see if that helps.

Hope this info helps. Hang in the and take care.

Connie

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Hi. BPD, is Bipolar Disorder, also called Manic Depression. Rage is a

symptom of it . ..Not meaning that is what your daughter is dealing

with. It sounds like she was evaluated and diagnosed, and it seems

that would be evident during the evaluation.

Josh is now 16. He was diagnosed at 8?, 9?, 10? Gee, can't really

remember. Looking back, he always showed signs of OCD.

He deals with physical rituals and instrusive thoughts, along with

Generalized Anxiety Disorder.

He has gone through bathroom issues, to hand washing. It has changed

over the years. For many years, we struggled through it, part of that

time not knowing what we were dealing with. He went on medication

when it got so bad he could not leave the house. He couldn't be that

far from a bathroom. He would spend hours in the bathroom, telling us

it felt like he couldn't get all of his pee out. I had NO clue (then)

it was OCD related. He dealt with it for three years, and docs had no

clue. I'm surprised it didn't scar him, mentally, for life, coping

with that for so long. The turning point for us was suspecting it was

OCD, and trying medication. Within a week, he was doing better.

Within two, his bathroom problems disappeared. He tells me he doesn't

really even remember it now. Thankfully.

Other issues for him have been clothing sensitivity, hoarding,

flipping light switches, things needing to be at the " correct " angle,

lining things up, counting, repetitive thoughts, scrupulosity, etc.

After a few years, we took him off of his meds to see if he could live

without them, and he did well for about 8 months. Then, he relapsed

REALLY hard. He was the worst he had ever been. He couldn't eat or

sleep, and spent most of the day on the sofa, white faced, in the

fetal position. We started meds again, immediately. . But, because

they take a while to work and he was so bad, it was months before he

started to snap out of it. I started aggressively searching for a

qualified therapist. It took me three months, but I finally found one.

We started seeing him and Josh started working on his OCD. He has

been doing ERP (exposure and response/ritual prevention), and slowly

losing his rituals. Most are going away, but some are just lessening

to the point that he can ignore them. We are still working and have

the " thoughts " to deal with yet. Between the correct therapy and

medication, he is doing much better.

Is your daughter's bathroom issues only handwashing, or is there a

problem with urinating too? It is not uncommon for kids with OCD to

have issues going to the bathroom.

A good, qualified therapist is hard to find, but oh so worth it.

If you can't find one, or can't afford one, there are a few books that

are written to help walk you through treatment at home. We tried

them, but found our son responded better with a psychologist. He

feels he has to answer to the psychologist, so it encourages him to be

accountable. Plus, the therapist seems to be able to talk him into

doing things that I can't.

The books, if you are interested are. . .

Talking Back to OCD by March

Helping your Child with OCD by Lee Fitzgibbons and Cherry Pedrick

The whole point with ERP is to desensitize yourself to the rituals,

until they lose the power over you, they have. One example of ERP

that our son did was,. . . . He had issues with having to make sure

ALL drawers throughout our house, were shut. He would run his hand

down the fronts of the drawers to make 100% positive, that they were

shut, even though he could see with his eyes they were. His homework

was to purposely leave a few drawers in each room, ajar. He was not

allowed to shut them. When that did not make his " uncomfortableness "

drop enough, he had to open a drawer and look at it for 15 minutes a

day. Eventually, his NEED to have the drawers closed, left.

I said " uncomfortableness " above (even though it's probably not a real

word <grin>) because with his OCD, he felt things needed to be " just

right " . Some kids have anxiety attached to their rituals, but some

just need it to feel right.

Hope some of this was helpful. :o)

BJ

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)))))). I'm sorry your own scrupulosity

> is

> > > > > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and

> your

> > > kid's

> > > > > OCD

> > > > > > at the same time. :o( <sigh>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hugs and Prayers,

> > > > > > BJ

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Hi, just wondering what meds helped Josh??? Thanks

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)))))). I'm sorry your own

scrupulosity

> > is

> > > > > > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and

> > your

> > > > kid's

> > > > > > OCD

> > > > > > > at the same time. :o( <sigh>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hugs and Prayers,

> > > > > > > BJ

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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DC,

The doctor explained to my son and, most importantly, ME that under state law, a

minor is not allowed to own property, money, nothing. So everything in our house

is mine and my husband's and we only allow our son to use it. Therefore, he has

no right to destroy any of our property. He has no rights, basically, only

privileges.

And in our last session, when my son got angry with me and threatened to hit me,

the doctor said, " If I have any inkling that you have laid a hand on this woman,

I will personally call the police, have them pull your car over and take you

into custody. Assault is against the law. " Had I not been so scared and

surprised myself, I might not have been able to keep a straight face!

As for the " fits " , he told my son that was the way a three year old acts, not an

eight year old. He said when my son started to throw a fit, I should do this

thing with my hand--make a scissors motion and say " Cut " ...make a fist pounding

motion and say " It " ...stick my thumb out over my shoulder and say " OUT " . If he

hasn't pulled himself together by then, he's out of wherever we are and into

time out.

In short, we're talking ZERO tolerance, which is a lot less than I had been

using.

That's all I can remember. Maybe you can use some of this. Again, this son

wasn't OCD, so it was probably a simpler situation.

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,

Thanks for the reply. It's funny you mention the noise issue,. I

remember when my daughter was first having all these problems, she

was complaining about people talking to loud and the people she ws

complaining about were talking at a normal level! I also remember

her lying in bed at night screamming acrossed the hallway to my other

daughters room. SHe was yelling at us to be quite she couldn't sleep-

we were whispering!

What did your dr. do with your son??? I would love to get her off

this negative defiant kick!!!!!

DC

> > > >

> > > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)) )))). I'm sorry your own scrupulosity

is

> > > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and your

> kid's

> > > OCD

> > > > at the same time. :o( <sigh>

> > > >

> > > > Hugs and Prayers,

> > > > BJ

> > >

> >

>

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I just wanted to thank everyone for sharing their stories about

themselves and their children. It's quite the " silent " fight and it

is so helpful hearing from other people and the advice is sooo

helpful. Glad to hear things are looking up.

Candi

---

In , " svdbyhislove "

wrote:

>

> I'm really glad you are here. :-) And I'm really glad you have

this

> place where you can talk, and be understood. It's really hard when

> nobody gets it. Even my sister doesn't really get it, and my

nephew

> has OCD. But, he is much less severe than our son, so she's never

had

> to deal with some of the stuff we've had to.

>

> I know it always helps me to talk to others who can relate and are

> going through the same things.

>

> It's not a " misery loves company " situation, although OCD can make

for

> misery. But, rather, I think it is a " not feeling so alone "

thing. .

> Not feeling isolated.

>

> And there is always the bonus of sharing information on what has

worked.

>

> Hugs to you.

>

> BJ

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > > >*****************

> > > I have read that traumatic events can bring on OCD symptoms

earlier

> > > than they would have otherwise.

> > > ******************

> > >

> > > Connie, did it say it would increase the severity too? I

suspect

> > the

> > > answer is yes, because I know even now every little bump in

the road

> > > can stir things up. Even a common cold here.

> > >

> > > I have to say, I noticed things when Josh was young, that I

NOW know

> > > were OCD at work. But his behavior increased a lot when I had

some

> > > serious health problems. The night I spent in the hospital in

> > > critical care, was really hard on him. My husband said he

couldn't

> > > sleep and he cried on and off all night, wanting me there. It

was a

> > > lot for a 4 year old to deal with. I know the following

months were

> > > traumatic, with trips to the ER in ambulances, etc., some

where he

> > > rode with me. He still remembers it. That's not good for

any

> > > child, but in a child with OCD, it's got to add to the anxiety.

> > >

> > > Yet, I've also read it can hit at a certain age.

> > >

> > > Here is a quote from Dr. Aureen Wagner's book. . .

> > >

> > > " OCD usually appears between the ages of seven and 12, and most

> > > commonly around age 10. It can begin as early as ages three

to five

> > > for children with a strong family history of OCD. About half

of the

> > > adults who have OCD say their symptoms began before age 15.

Most

> > > people with OCD develop it before the age of 25. Only 15%

develop

> > it

> > > after the age of 35. Boys with OCD tend to develop it earlier

than

> > > girls, typically before the age of 12. Girls' symptoms are

likely

> > to

> > > starrt during early adolescence. "

> > >

> > > I'm sure traumatic events are never helpful though.

> > >

> > > I'm glad you all got out of the fire safely, Connie. How

scary.

> > >

> > > BJ

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ******************

> > > >

> > > > Hi Candi,

> > > >

> > > > We've only known that our 17 yr old son has OCD for

about the

> > > last 6

> > > > months or so. But now that I know so much more about OCD, I

know

> > he had

> > > > symptoms when he was much younger. In fact, I think he

first

> > started

> > > > having symptoms at age 4 or 5. When he was 4 1/2, we had a

house

> > fire.

> > > > We were home at the time, but everyone got out safely.

However,

> > it was

> > > > very traumatic for all of us. Now when I look back, I can

recall

> > that

> > > > about that time, he had a peculiar way of playing with his

cars.

> > Judy

> > > > mentioned her son lining up cars; our son did that. They

had to

> > be

> > > > lined up perfectly. When he would park the cars, he had to

pull

> > them

> > > > into their parking spot, pull them back out, then back in,

etc.

> > until he

> > > > was finally satisfied they were parked just right. At the

time I

> > just

> > > > thought he had an interesting way of playing with his cars.

His

> > OCD

> > > > symptoms have always been very mild until recently here. I

have

> > read

> > > > that traumatic events can bring on OCD symptoms earlier than

they

> > would

> > > > have otherwise.

> > > >

> > > > Connie

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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I just wanted to thank everyone for sharing their stories about

themselves and their children. It's quite the " silent " fight and it

is so helpful hearing from other people and the advice is sooo

helpful. Glad to hear things are looking up.

Candi

---

In , " svdbyhislove "

wrote:

>

> I'm really glad you are here. :-) And I'm really glad you have

this

> place where you can talk, and be understood. It's really hard when

> nobody gets it. Even my sister doesn't really get it, and my

nephew

> has OCD. But, he is much less severe than our son, so she's never

had

> to deal with some of the stuff we've had to.

>

> I know it always helps me to talk to others who can relate and are

> going through the same things.

>

> It's not a " misery loves company " situation, although OCD can make

for

> misery. But, rather, I think it is a " not feeling so alone "

thing. .

> Not feeling isolated.

>

> And there is always the bonus of sharing information on what has

worked.

>

> Hugs to you.

>

> BJ

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > > >*****************

> > > I have read that traumatic events can bring on OCD symptoms

earlier

> > > than they would have otherwise.

> > > ******************

> > >

> > > Connie, did it say it would increase the severity too? I

suspect

> > the

> > > answer is yes, because I know even now every little bump in

the road

> > > can stir things up. Even a common cold here.

> > >

> > > I have to say, I noticed things when Josh was young, that I

NOW know

> > > were OCD at work. But his behavior increased a lot when I had

some

> > > serious health problems. The night I spent in the hospital in

> > > critical care, was really hard on him. My husband said he

couldn't

> > > sleep and he cried on and off all night, wanting me there. It

was a

> > > lot for a 4 year old to deal with. I know the following

months were

> > > traumatic, with trips to the ER in ambulances, etc., some

where he

> > > rode with me. He still remembers it. That's not good for

any

> > > child, but in a child with OCD, it's got to add to the anxiety.

> > >

> > > Yet, I've also read it can hit at a certain age.

> > >

> > > Here is a quote from Dr. Aureen Wagner's book. . .

> > >

> > > " OCD usually appears between the ages of seven and 12, and most

> > > commonly around age 10. It can begin as early as ages three

to five

> > > for children with a strong family history of OCD. About half

of the

> > > adults who have OCD say their symptoms began before age 15.

Most

> > > people with OCD develop it before the age of 25. Only 15%

develop

> > it

> > > after the age of 35. Boys with OCD tend to develop it earlier

than

> > > girls, typically before the age of 12. Girls' symptoms are

likely

> > to

> > > starrt during early adolescence. "

> > >

> > > I'm sure traumatic events are never helpful though.

> > >

> > > I'm glad you all got out of the fire safely, Connie. How

scary.

> > >

> > > BJ

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ******************

> > > >

> > > > Hi Candi,

> > > >

> > > > We've only known that our 17 yr old son has OCD for

about the

> > > last 6

> > > > months or so. But now that I know so much more about OCD, I

know

> > he had

> > > > symptoms when he was much younger. In fact, I think he

first

> > started

> > > > having symptoms at age 4 or 5. When he was 4 1/2, we had a

house

> > fire.

> > > > We were home at the time, but everyone got out safely.

However,

> > it was

> > > > very traumatic for all of us. Now when I look back, I can

recall

> > that

> > > > about that time, he had a peculiar way of playing with his

cars.

> > Judy

> > > > mentioned her son lining up cars; our son did that. They

had to

> > be

> > > > lined up perfectly. When he would park the cars, he had to

pull

> > them

> > > > into their parking spot, pull them back out, then back in,

etc.

> > until he

> > > > was finally satisfied they were parked just right. At the

time I

> > just

> > > > thought he had an interesting way of playing with his cars.

His

> > OCD

> > > > symptoms have always been very mild until recently here. I

have

> > read

> > > > that traumatic events can bring on OCD symptoms earlier than

they

> > would

> > > > have otherwise.

> > > >

> > > > Connie

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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DC - I was trying ot read up on some of your recent posts..you

mentioned how your dd thought everyone was talking loud, or yelling

at her sister to keep quiet when you all were whispering. Some

children with sensory issues have obviously, a heightened sensitivity

to things. ie. clothing, loudness, touch, etc. Everything that you

mentioned in the beginning.

I do not mean to ask you this in a way to come off harsh, but how

long have you let her storm out when something doesn't go her way, or

placated her so you didn't have to deal with the meltdowns? Do you

all feel like you walk around on egg shells around her? Also, when

you are calm at first does she push, push, push until you finally

start to yell?

My dd was almost 9 when she was diagnosed with OCD (intrusive

thought, just right) and of being a highly sensitive child. She

wouldn't have fits of rage but she would definitely have major

meltdowns. Tears. But she did because SHE KNEW we would eventually

cave into her demands.

Some very simple things you could try (and it will take time - it

won't happen over night) 5 minute warnings: dinner in 5 min. then

count down every min. Same with TV or anything she is involved or

focused on.

But first, I would get down to her level and look in her eyes and say

that things need to change around here. Say to her... " I know you

don't like it when...(fill in the blank) so mommy and daddy are going

to start (1) letting you know 5 min. ahead of time when you need to

come to dinner or turn off tv or go get ready for bed. (2) We will

not tolerate the outbursts. If you get explosive, then you will have

a time-out in your room or we will take away (blank) Something that

she loves to do...tv, color, whatever it is. Remember, she is 8 and

it will tak elots of patience to undue a behavior that she has

probably had for quite awhile that you have now just realized has

gotten impossible. That is why people normally seek help. I can tell

you that is why we did. She was always a little OCD (lol) I called

them quirks. Much that were similar to you dd's. But it wasn't until

it changed its course and reared it's ugly " intrusive head " that we

sought help. But you and your husband have got to be on the same page

and be calm and patient. You should get the Highly Sensitive Child

book.

Again, my dd didn't have the explosive temper, she was more a crier

and we were walking around on egg shells. She got away with it. But

through determination and instilling boundaries and what was

acceptable, did we see things change. Kids hear us loud and clear

without the yelling. And sometimes, through all that yelling - no one

is heard - so someone always has to yell louder. Try to be patient

and firm and work with one behavior at a time. And compliment her

when she isn't explosive or when she comes to dinner when her 5 min.

warning is up.

I hope I have helped a little. Please now that it is harder to write

everything down in a gentle way. I really know how you are feeling

and am just giving what worked for us. Let me know your thoughts.

Hugs.

> > > > >

> > > > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)) )))). I'm sorry your own scrupulosity

> is

> > > > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and your

> > kid's

> > > > OCD

> > > > > at the same time. :o( <sigh>

> > > > >

> > > > > Hugs and Prayers,

> > > > > BJ

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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DC - I was trying ot read up on some of your recent posts..you

mentioned how your dd thought everyone was talking loud, or yelling

at her sister to keep quiet when you all were whispering. Some

children with sensory issues have obviously, a heightened sensitivity

to things. ie. clothing, loudness, touch, etc. Everything that you

mentioned in the beginning.

I do not mean to ask you this in a way to come off harsh, but how

long have you let her storm out when something doesn't go her way, or

placated her so you didn't have to deal with the meltdowns? Do you

all feel like you walk around on egg shells around her? Also, when

you are calm at first does she push, push, push until you finally

start to yell?

My dd was almost 9 when she was diagnosed with OCD (intrusive

thought, just right) and of being a highly sensitive child. She

wouldn't have fits of rage but she would definitely have major

meltdowns. Tears. But she did because SHE KNEW we would eventually

cave into her demands.

Some very simple things you could try (and it will take time - it

won't happen over night) 5 minute warnings: dinner in 5 min. then

count down every min. Same with TV or anything she is involved or

focused on.

But first, I would get down to her level and look in her eyes and say

that things need to change around here. Say to her... " I know you

don't like it when...(fill in the blank) so mommy and daddy are going

to start (1) letting you know 5 min. ahead of time when you need to

come to dinner or turn off tv or go get ready for bed. (2) We will

not tolerate the outbursts. If you get explosive, then you will have

a time-out in your room or we will take away (blank) Something that

she loves to do...tv, color, whatever it is. Remember, she is 8 and

it will tak elots of patience to undue a behavior that she has

probably had for quite awhile that you have now just realized has

gotten impossible. That is why people normally seek help. I can tell

you that is why we did. She was always a little OCD (lol) I called

them quirks. Much that were similar to you dd's. But it wasn't until

it changed its course and reared it's ugly " intrusive head " that we

sought help. But you and your husband have got to be on the same page

and be calm and patient. You should get the Highly Sensitive Child

book.

Again, my dd didn't have the explosive temper, she was more a crier

and we were walking around on egg shells. She got away with it. But

through determination and instilling boundaries and what was

acceptable, did we see things change. Kids hear us loud and clear

without the yelling. And sometimes, through all that yelling - no one

is heard - so someone always has to yell louder. Try to be patient

and firm and work with one behavior at a time. And compliment her

when she isn't explosive or when she comes to dinner when her 5 min.

warning is up.

I hope I have helped a little. Please now that it is harder to write

everything down in a gentle way. I really know how you are feeling

and am just giving what worked for us. Let me know your thoughts.

Hugs.

> > > > >

> > > > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)) )))). I'm sorry your own scrupulosity

> is

> > > > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and your

> > kid's

> > > > OCD

> > > > > at the same time. :o( <sigh>

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Connie,

I like the idea about recording the anxiety level after she washes

her hands. How does he record it, rate by numbers? I think I will

do this with my daughter. She has this thing were she keeps wiping

after she goes to the BR, she doesn't feel like she is clean enough.

She has been clogging the toilets up and missing lots of class time.

ANy advise on to how to help her at school?? I feel like she needs

someone with her all day to monitor her behavior.

Thanks again for sharing. Please let me know how your son did the

rating. My daughter is only 8, so I think whatever it is it would

need to be simple. Did your therapist set a number on how many times

he could wash his hands or when he could wash or are you just

concentrating on the time thing for now??

Thanks,

DC

>

> Hi DC,

> My son's therapist first started working on his excessive hand

> washing. He was washing his hands for 10 min or more at a time and

> using so much liquid hand soap that he was going thru an 80 oz

refill

> bottle in 1 week. He wasn't using the soap dispenser anymore;

> pouring it straight from the refill bottle. I was tempted to buy

> stock in Softsoap ( I think they actually sent us a card at

Christmas

> this year ROFL ) Anyway, the therapist had him cut down the time

to

> 30 sec and he had to use the soap dispenser and only 2 pumps of

> soap. He had to record his anxiety right after washing, then 10

min

> later, then after 20 min. This was to show him how the anxiety

would

> come down on its own without him having to keep washing his hands.

> That really did help him. His hand washing is much better now.

He's

> kind of stuck on the next homework the therapist gave him. She's

> been trying different things and adjusting it. One of the things

she

> just suggested was for him to get a voice recorder and record his

> coping statements that the therapist and him came up with. He is

> supposed to set the playback to repeat and have the recorder play

and

> keep repeating the coping statements while he is working on the

> homework. We'll see if that helps.

> Hope this info helps. Hang in the and take care.

>

> Connie

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Connie,

I like the idea about recording the anxiety level after she washes

her hands. How does he record it, rate by numbers? I think I will

do this with my daughter. She has this thing were she keeps wiping

after she goes to the BR, she doesn't feel like she is clean enough.

She has been clogging the toilets up and missing lots of class time.

ANy advise on to how to help her at school?? I feel like she needs

someone with her all day to monitor her behavior.

Thanks again for sharing. Please let me know how your son did the

rating. My daughter is only 8, so I think whatever it is it would

need to be simple. Did your therapist set a number on how many times

he could wash his hands or when he could wash or are you just

concentrating on the time thing for now??

Thanks,

DC

>

> Hi DC,

> My son's therapist first started working on his excessive hand

> washing. He was washing his hands for 10 min or more at a time and

> using so much liquid hand soap that he was going thru an 80 oz

refill

> bottle in 1 week. He wasn't using the soap dispenser anymore;

> pouring it straight from the refill bottle. I was tempted to buy

> stock in Softsoap ( I think they actually sent us a card at

Christmas

> this year ROFL ) Anyway, the therapist had him cut down the time

to

> 30 sec and he had to use the soap dispenser and only 2 pumps of

> soap. He had to record his anxiety right after washing, then 10

min

> later, then after 20 min. This was to show him how the anxiety

would

> come down on its own without him having to keep washing his hands.

> That really did help him. His hand washing is much better now.

He's

> kind of stuck on the next homework the therapist gave him. She's

> been trying different things and adjusting it. One of the things

she

> just suggested was for him to get a voice recorder and record his

> coping statements that the therapist and him came up with. He is

> supposed to set the playback to repeat and have the recorder play

and

> keep repeating the coping statements while he is working on the

> homework. We'll see if that helps.

> Hope this info helps. Hang in the and take care.

>

> Connie

>

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BJ,

Thanks for getting back to me.

My daughter's compulsions are more then just the hand washing. She

also has this issue were she just doesn't feel like she clean enough

and continues to wipe- until she ends up clogging the toilets! And

for a little while she was having the issue about having to pee over

and over and over... just like your son, but that kinda just went away

(thanks GOD!). SHe does a lot of washing after she goes to the

bathroom- she washes her arms, all the way to her elbows. She has

been slipping back since our therapy session have ended, but today

has been the worst.

Her teacher said she missed most of her math class today because she

was in the BR and when she finally did join the class she didn't get

any work don. The teacher says really is not on task and not getting

her class work done. I feel like I don't know how to help her at

school?? Do you have any suggestions???

I just schedule a reevaluation with the original DR we saw back in

Nov. , but he can't see her until 4/21!! I often wondered if she

might be bipolar, but I don't really know much about the dx. If do

know she has been very defiant and just says and does the opposite

of everything you ask of her. Tonight she took FOREVER to do her

homework and while she was doing it she kept getting up out of her

chair and walking around-dancing, swinging her head around to make

her self dizzy. It was like she was in her own little world of

distracting herself!! If she would ask for help and I tried to help

her she would start YELLING and not listening if she didn't think I

was doing it right or maybe she didn't understand- I really don't

know!! I just can't believe what my house has become since OCD has

been around. SHe has always been tough to deal with, but she has

fall over the edge and has pushed everyone over with her!!!!

Sorry about all the rambling, but it's just VERY stressfull dealing

with this CRAP(as I am sure you know)!!!!! I wish it would all just

disappear- some times I wish I could just disappear, but then who

would she have... :(

Thanks for listening,

DC

, " svdbyhislove "

wrote:

>

> Hi. BPD, is Bipolar Disorder, also called Manic Depression. Rage

is a

> symptom of it . ..Not meaning that is what your daughter is dealing

> with. It sounds like she was evaluated and diagnosed, and it seems

> that would be evident during the evaluation.

>

> Josh is now 16. He was diagnosed at 8?, 9?, 10? Gee, can't really

> remember. Looking back, he always showed signs of OCD.

>

> He deals with physical rituals and instrusive thoughts, along with

> Generalized Anxiety Disorder.

>

> He has gone through bathroom issues, to hand washing. It has

changed

> over the years. For many years, we struggled through it, part of

that

> time not knowing what we were dealing with. He went on medication

> when it got so bad he could not leave the house. He couldn't be

that

> far from a bathroom. He would spend hours in the bathroom, telling

us

> it felt like he couldn't get all of his pee out. I had NO clue

(then)

> it was OCD related. He dealt with it for three years, and docs had

no

> clue. I'm surprised it didn't scar him, mentally, for life, coping

> with that for so long. The turning point for us was suspecting it

was

> OCD, and trying medication. Within a week, he was doing better.

> Within two, his bathroom problems disappeared. He tells me he

doesn't

> really even remember it now. Thankfully.

>

> Other issues for him have been clothing sensitivity, hoarding,

> flipping light switches, things needing to be at the " correct "

angle,

> lining things up, counting, repetitive thoughts, scrupulosity,

etc.

>

> After a few years, we took him off of his meds to see if he could

live

> without them, and he did well for about 8 months. Then, he relapsed

> REALLY hard. He was the worst he had ever been. He couldn't eat or

> sleep, and spent most of the day on the sofa, white faced, in the

> fetal position. We started meds again, immediately. . But, because

> they take a while to work and he was so bad, it was months before he

> started to snap out of it. I started aggressively searching for a

> qualified therapist. It took me three months, but I finally found

one.

> We started seeing him and Josh started working on his OCD. He has

> been doing ERP (exposure and response/ritual prevention), and slowly

> losing his rituals. Most are going away, but some are just

lessening

> to the point that he can ignore them. We are still working and have

> the " thoughts " to deal with yet. Between the correct therapy and

> medication, he is doing much better.

>

> Is your daughter's bathroom issues only handwashing, or is there a

> problem with urinating too? It is not uncommon for kids with OCD to

> have issues going to the bathroom.

>

> A good, qualified therapist is hard to find, but oh so worth it.

>

> If you can't find one, or can't afford one, there are a few books

that

> are written to help walk you through treatment at home. We tried

> them, but found our son responded better with a psychologist. He

> feels he has to answer to the psychologist, so it encourages him to

be

> accountable. Plus, the therapist seems to be able to talk him into

> doing things that I can't.

>

> The books, if you are interested are. . .

>

> Talking Back to OCD by March

>

> Helping your Child with OCD by Lee Fitzgibbons and Cherry Pedrick

>

> The whole point with ERP is to desensitize yourself to the rituals,

> until they lose the power over you, they have. One example of ERP

> that our son did was,. . . . He had issues with having to make sure

> ALL drawers throughout our house, were shut. He would run his hand

> down the fronts of the drawers to make 100% positive, that they were

> shut, even though he could see with his eyes they were. His

homework

> was to purposely leave a few drawers in each room, ajar. He was not

> allowed to shut them. When that did not make

his " uncomfortableness "

> drop enough, he had to open a drawer and look at it for 15 minutes a

> day. Eventually, his NEED to have the drawers closed, left.

>

> I said " uncomfortableness " above (even though it's probably not a

real

> word <grin>) because with his OCD, he felt things needed to be " just

> right " . Some kids have anxiety attached to their rituals, but some

> just need it to feel right.

>

> Hope some of this was helpful. :o)

>

> BJ

>

>

>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)))))). I'm sorry your own

scrupulosity

> > is

> > > > > > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and

> > your

> > > > kid's

> > > > > > OCD

> > > > > > > at the same time. :o( <sigh>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hugs and Prayers,

> > > > > > > BJ

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

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,

Thanks for th einformation. We have been using the 1-2-3 Magic! But

it doesn't alway work like " magic " , but it has helped. SHe is such

tough and strong willed kid. She did start hitting at me and at

first I really didn't do much about it because I thought it was

really not her fault becaue it was the OCD rages. But our therapist

told us to be strong and let her know that this behavior will not be

tolerated and she will get time out or have privledges taken away.

We started to do that and it has really worked, but she is still

yelling- a lot!!!

She is also having trouble at school do to her BR compulsions. Sh e

is missing a lot of class time and not focused when she is in the

classroom. I was asking others if they have any suggestions on how

to keep her in the classroom. DO you have any issue with school and

OCD? I am not sure what to do to help her stay focused and out of

the BR?? The teacher has 30 kids in the class and there is only one

counselor and 1 nurse. She needs a BR montitor??? I just don't

know...?????

Thanks for helping,

DC

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DC,

I know exactly how you feel. This can be so overwhelming, but it can get better

for us, even if the disease

doesn't. My son has such a hard time focusing on his homework for more than a

few minutes. Anything that feels

stressful to him sends him off in another direction to distract himself. I've

had some luck letting him do his homework

in front of the television. It helps him relax, and as long as he can do it, I'm

fine with that.

And like your daughter, even if he has asked me for help, he is very short on

patience.

One thing that has helped us this semester: the school psychologist (part-time)

" invited " my son to participate in

Guided Study Hall during the elective period once a week. It's by invite only.

Such an honor. Anyway, he has an entire

hour to focus on homework and I guess there is staff there to assist him and

keep him on task. He's always happy on Tuesdays when he can come home and tell

me he has already completed all or most of his homework.

I forgot how old your daughter is, but might there be something similar in her

school?

Hang in there, DC. We've all been there, and we've survived!

Re: when ocd strikes

BJ,

Thanks for getting back to me.

My daughter's compulsions are more then just the hand washing. She

also has this issue were she just doesn't feel like she clean enough

and continues to wipe- until she ends up clogging the toilets! And

for a little while she was having the issue about having to pee over

and over and over... just like your son, but that kinda just went away

(thanks GOD!). SHe does a lot of washing after she goes to the

bathroom- she washes her arms, all the way to her elbows. She has

been slipping back since our therapy session have ended, but today

has been the worst.

Her teacher said she missed most of her math class today because she

was in the BR and when she finally did join the class she didn't get

any work don. The teacher says really is not on task and not getting

her class work done. I feel like I don't know how to help her at

school?? Do you have any suggestions? ??

I just schedule a reevaluation with the original DR we saw back in

Nov. , but he can't see her until 4/21!! I often wondered if she

might be bipolar, but I don't really know much about the dx. If do

know she has been very defiant and just says and does the opposite

of everything you ask of her. Tonight she took FOREVER to do her

homework and while she was doing it she kept getting up out of her

chair and walking around-dancing, swinging her head around to make

her self dizzy. It was like she was in her own little world of

distracting herself!! If she would ask for help and I tried to help

her she would start YELLING and not listening if she didn't think I

was doing it right or maybe she didn't understand- I really don't

know!! I just can't believe what my house has become since OCD has

been around. SHe has always been tough to deal with, but she has

fall over the edge and has pushed everyone over with her!!!!

Sorry about all the rambling, but it's just VERY stressfull dealing

with this CRAP(as I am sure you know)!!!!! I wish it would all just

disappear- some times I wish I could just disappear, but then who

would she have... :(

Thanks for listening,

DC

@ yahoogroups. com, " svdbyhislove " <BJClosner@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Hi. BPD, is Bipolar Disorder, also called Manic Depression. Rage

is a

> symptom of it . ..Not meaning that is what your daughter is dealing

> with. It sounds like she was evaluated and diagnosed, and it seems

> that would be evident during the evaluation.

>

> Josh is now 16. He was diagnosed at 8?, 9?, 10? Gee, can't really

> remember. Looking back, he always showed signs of OCD.

>

> He deals with physical rituals and instrusive thoughts, along with

> Generalized Anxiety Disorder.

>

> He has gone through bathroom issues, to hand washing. It has

changed

> over the years. For many years, we struggled through it, part of

that

> time not knowing what we were dealing with. He went on medication

> when it got so bad he could not leave the house. He couldn't be

that

> far from a bathroom. He would spend hours in the bathroom, telling

us

> it felt like he couldn't get all of his pee out. I had NO clue

(then)

> it was OCD related. He dealt with it for three years, and docs had

no

> clue. I'm surprised it didn't scar him, mentally, for life, coping

> with that for so long. The turning point for us was suspecting it

was

> OCD, and trying medication. Within a week, he was doing better.

> Within two, his bathroom problems disappeared. He tells me he

doesn't

> really even remember it now. Thankfully.

>

> Other issues for him have been clothing sensitivity, hoarding,

> flipping light switches, things needing to be at the " correct "

angle,

> lining things up, counting, repetitive thoughts, scrupulosity,

etc.

>

> After a few years, we took him off of his meds to see if he could

live

> without them, and he did well for about 8 months. Then, he relapsed

> REALLY hard. He was the worst he had ever been. He couldn't eat or

> sleep, and spent most of the day on the sofa, white faced, in the

> fetal position. We started meds again, immediately. . But, because

> they take a while to work and he was so bad, it was months before he

> started to snap out of it. I started aggressively searching for a

> qualified therapist. It took me three months, but I finally found

one.

> We started seeing him and Josh started working on his OCD. He has

> been doing ERP (exposure and response/ritual prevention), and slowly

> losing his rituals. Most are going away, but some are just

lessening

> to the point that he can ignore them. We are still working and have

> the " thoughts " to deal with yet. Between the correct therapy and

> medication, he is doing much better.

>

> Is your daughter's bathroom issues only handwashing, or is there a

> problem with urinating too? It is not uncommon for kids with OCD to

> have issues going to the bathroom.

>

> A good, qualified therapist is hard to find, but oh so worth it.

>

> If you can't find one, or can't afford one, there are a few books

that

> are written to help walk you through treatment at home. We tried

> them, but found our son responded better with a psychologist. He

> feels he has to answer to the psychologist, so it encourages him to

be

> accountable. Plus, the therapist seems to be able to talk him into

> doing things that I can't.

>

> The books, if you are interested are. . .

>

> Talking Back to OCD by March

>

> Helping your Child with OCD by Lee Fitzgibbons and Cherry Pedrick

>

> The whole point with ERP is to desensitize yourself to the rituals,

> until they lose the power over you, they have. One example of ERP

> that our son did was,. . . . He had issues with having to make sure

> ALL drawers throughout our house, were shut. He would run his hand

> down the fronts of the drawers to make 100% positive, that they were

> shut, even though he could see with his eyes they were. His

homework

> was to purposely leave a few drawers in each room, ajar. He was not

> allowed to shut them. When that did not make

his " uncomfortableness "

> drop enough, he had to open a drawer and look at it for 15 minutes a

> day. Eventually, his NEED to have the drawers closed, left.

>

> I said " uncomfortableness " above (even though it's probably not a

real

> word <grin>) because with his OCD, he felt things needed to be " just

> right " . Some kids have anxiety attached to their rituals, but some

> just need it to feel right.

>

> Hope some of this was helpful. :o)

>

> BJ

>

>

>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)) )))). I'm sorry your own

scrupulosity

> > is

> > > > > > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and

> > your

> > > > kid's

> > > > > > OCD

> > > > > > > at the same time. :o( <sigh>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hugs and Prayers,

> > > > > > > BJ

> > > > > >

> > > > >

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Oh DC - I know what you are going through. We all do. I remember the

homework times when we would go in and help and she would end up

getting frustrated or yelling that we didn't know what we were doing

or she didn't want help. Do not let her be disrespectful. I remember

clearly her Dr. said to walk right out and say, " I will not be talked

to that way. When you want to be kind and not yell and be

disrespectful then I will help. We can try again tomorrow if you need

help. " Don't say anything else. Then close the door. Be very calm.

That is key. And trust me, there were many times I would get angry

and we would battle. Waste of time. LOL Made me want to get out for a

real long time. :) She is now in 4th grade and I can see when she is

frustrated but she knows she has two choices: either get help or not.

Her choice. :) What grade is she in? Another thing we did during this

time was she was sent to her room for homework at 4:30. She had to do

as much as she could on her own. Whatever was left for help, then we

would go in and help.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)))))). I'm sorry your own

> scrupulosity

> > > is

> > > > > > > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD

and

> > > your

> > > > > kid's

> > > > > > > OCD

> > > > > > > > at the same time. :o( <sigh>

> > > > > > > >

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Ok...have another suggestion...;) Coins. I have shared this a few

times in this group. It worked wonders for our dd for a different

issue and might help - but I don't know. She can have a ouple of

coins to go to school with. Those coins represent the number of times

she can use the restroom. Then something should be made fun or given

as a reward if she comes back quickly. First someone needs to time

how long she is in there for? Whatever the amount is cut it down and

continue to cut it down wekk by week and have the teacher implement a

reward...When she is in class, she should always be sitting in the

front of the class. Always! If the teacher notices she is distracted,

have her gently tap her on the shoulder. Let your dd know the teacher

will do this to have her know that the she realizes she is

distracted.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)) )))). I'm sorry your own

scrupulosity

> > is

> > > > > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and

your

> > > kid's

> > > > > OCD

> > > > > > at the same time. :o( <sigh>

> > > > > >

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((((DC))))

<sigh> I know the desperation you are feeling. I remember it well.

We went through clogged toilets and a roll of toilet paper with each

visit to the bathroom. One thing that helped a lot was using baby

wipes, because the toilet paper can be so irritating. Plus they can

put them in the trash bag instead of the toilet. You could try that

temporarily, until you can get her to try some ERP, or choose to try

meds, if you aren't already.

We also went through tons of soap and sinks full of suds. Along with

hands and wrists that were cracked and bleeding.

Both of these situations happened before we knew we were dealing with

OCD, so we just dealt the best we could. There are some liquid soaps

that are much less drying and can help. I've heard some in here talk

of them. I wish I knew the names of them. I'm hoping someone will

respond who can let you know of them.

Does your daughter see a therapist? She might respond to Exposure and

Response/Ritual Prevention and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. Is she

on meds? One or both might help her turn things around. It sounds

like she is going through a really rough patch.

Another thing, she might be having problems with school work because

she might be having a hard time shutting out the OCD enough to

concentrate. Our son has gone through that. He would put his head

down at times and groan. . Saying he couldn't focus. When the OCD is

bad, it is hard to shut it out enough to stay focused.

I know things are incredibly tough right now, but it will get better.

OCD waxes and wanes. Hang in there.

BJ

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Awwwwwww (((((Chris)))))). I'm sorry your own

> scrupulosity

> > > is

> > > > > > > > flaring. I can't imagine dealing with your own OCD and

> > > your

> > > > > kid's

> > > > > > > OCD

> > > > > > > > at the same time. :o( <sigh>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hugs and Prayers,

> > > > > > > > BJ

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Hi DC,

Our son uses a scale of 1 to 10 to record his anxiety level. So,

I think that would work with your daughter. Seems simple enough.

The therapist did also limit the number of times he could wash his

hands each day to 10 times. But, the nbr of times he washed his

hands really wasn't an issue. It was more the length of time and

the amount of soap he was using. I think she included the limit on

the nbr of times he washes just in case he decided to start washing

more often because he wasn't washing so long each time (if that

makes sense?)

I can relate to the excessive toilet paper and clogging the

pipes. Have that here too. Unfortunately we can't convince him to

use less toilet paper or some wipes or something that can be thrown

in the trash instead. He believes he has to use toilet paper and

an excessive amount of it. Something we will have to wait to work

on until he is ready.

Unfortunately I don't have any advice on what to do at school.

Our son is not in school right now. He is doing homebound

instruction thru the school district. Maybe someone else here might

have some suggestion.

There was mention of liquid soaps that were less drying. What we

have done is bought the soap dispensers with the foaming liquid

soap. Because it foams up, there appears to be more soap than there

really is. So, they end up using less soap without realizing it and

it is less drying that way.

Hope this helps. Take care

Connie

>

> Connie,

>

> I like the idea about recording the anxiety level after she washes

> her hands. How does he record it, rate by numbers? I think I

will

> do this with my daughter. She has this thing were she keeps

wiping

> after she goes to the BR, she doesn't feel like she is clean

enough.

> She has been clogging the toilets up and missing lots of class

time.

> ANy advise on to how to help her at school?? I feel like she

needs

> someone with her all day to monitor her behavior.

>

> Thanks again for sharing. Please let me know how your son did the

> rating. My daughter is only 8, so I think whatever it is it would

> need to be simple. Did your therapist set a number on how many

times

> he could wash his hands or when he could wash or are you just

> concentrating on the time thing for now??

>

> Thanks,

> DC

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-Thanks Connie.

Her hands are starting to bleed agian and she is starting to wash

more frequently. I don't know what to do to stop her when she makes

the beeline to the BR!!! She told me she didn't want to go to

lacrosse practice because her arms hurt from the washing.

I tried the coin idea(from bacongirl, Ithink?) and she was not on

board with it this morning, but when she came home from school the

first thing she talked about were the coins. So I think I will try

and push that.

Thanks for the tips on the soap. Right now we have the bar soap and

it is really foamming up the sinks and she is making a total MESS

withit. Not to mention her hands are looking really bad!!!!

I am tired tonight so I will say bye for now.

Thanks again for helping. I think this site just might save me from

going crazy!!!!!

Dawn-- In , " Connie "

wrote:

>

> Hi DC,

> Our son uses a scale of 1 to 10 to record his anxiety level.

So,

> I think that would work with your daughter. Seems simple enough.

> The therapist did also limit the number of times he could wash his

> hands each day to 10 times. But, the nbr of times he washed his

> hands really wasn't an issue. It was more the length of time and

> the amount of soap he was using. I think she included the limit on

> the nbr of times he washes just in case he decided to start washing

> more often because he wasn't washing so long each time (if that

> makes sense?)

>

> I can relate to the excessive toilet paper and clogging the

> pipes. Have that here too. Unfortunately we can't convince him to

> use less toilet paper or some wipes or something that can be thrown

> in the trash instead. He believes he has to use toilet paper and

> an excessive amount of it. Something we will have to wait to work

> on until he is ready.

>

> Unfortunately I don't have any advice on what to do at school.

> Our son is not in school right now. He is doing homebound

> instruction thru the school district. Maybe someone else here

might

> have some suggestion.

>

> There was mention of liquid soaps that were less drying. What

we

> have done is bought the soap dispensers with the foaming liquid

> soap. Because it foams up, there appears to be more soap than

there

> really is. So, they end up using less soap without realizing it

and

> it is less drying that way.

>

> Hope this helps. Take care

> Connie

>

>

>

> >

> > Connie,

> >

> > I like the idea about recording the anxiety level after she

washes

> > her hands. How does he record it, rate by numbers? I think I

> will

> > do this with my daughter. She has this thing were she keeps

> wiping

> > after she goes to the BR, she doesn't feel like she is clean

> enough.

> > She has been clogging the toilets up and missing lots of class

> time.

> > ANy advise on to how to help her at school?? I feel like she

> needs

> > someone with her all day to monitor her behavior.

> >

> > Thanks again for sharing. Please let me know how your son did

the

> > rating. My daughter is only 8, so I think whatever it is it would

> > need to be simple. Did your therapist set a number on how many

> times

> > he could wash his hands or when he could wash or are you just

> > concentrating on the time thing for now??

> >

> > Thanks,

> > DC

>

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Hi DC,

My daughter washes her hands a lot as well. They get cracked and red.

I am forever filling the soap pump! We haven't tackled this

specifically yet, but I can share a few ideas I got from my reading.

If they are not ready to stop washing, you could try getting her to

change the way she does it, the order e.g.

-Do it in slow motion

-Change the order in which she washes, if she has a specific order

-See if she can leave out just her left pinky finger, etc.

- count to 10, 20, or 30 before she starts washing.

The idea is to lower the temperature on the fear scale, until she

feels like she can do it.

My daughter (9) is VERY motivated by sticker or reward charts for her

accomplishments, but it costs me a lot of money! A mom in this group

mentioned handiland.com which is a very interesting for reward

tracking if she is into the computer. My girls love it.

Maybe you have already tried all this...

Also, she has a very good thick hand cream that she applies every

night before bed.

Good luck!

Dianne

> > >

> > > Connie,

> > >

> > > I like the idea about recording the anxiety level after she

> washes

> > > her hands. How does he record it, rate by numbers? I think I

> > will

> > > do this with my daughter. She has this thing were she keeps

> > wiping

> > > after she goes to the BR, she doesn't feel like she is clean

> > enough.

> > > She has been clogging the toilets up and missing lots of class

> > time.

> > > ANy advise on to how to help her at school?? I feel like she

> > needs

> > > someone with her all day to monitor her behavior.

> > >

> > > Thanks again for sharing. Please let me know how your son did

> the

> > > rating. My daughter is only 8, so I think whatever it is it would

> > > need to be simple. Did your therapist set a number on how many

> > times

> > > he could wash his hands or when he could wash or are you just

> > > concentrating on the time thing for now??

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > DC

> >

>

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Great ideas, Dianne!

Just wanted to add a note. . . .If your child has number rituals, like

our son does, the counting can become a ritual too. The poor kid

always has numbers dancing in his head. If that happens, a way to

combat it is. . .Have them go to a number OCD doesn't like. For

instance with our son, everything is even or in multiples of specific

numbers, like 5, 10, etc. His OCD is always evening everything up in

his mind. So, if for example, he grabs a handful of nuts, and there

are 10 in his hand, he will deliberately grab another to make it 11, a

number his OCD doesn't like. So, likewise, if the counting becomes an

issue, have her choose a number that OCD doesn't want, and count to

that instead. And you can change that " number " she counts to up, to

keep any specific number from becoming a problem.

Oh, yeah, and I agree. . You can't forget the hand cream. We found

Eucerin worked the best for us.

BJ

> > > >

> > > > Connie,

> > > >

> > > > I like the idea about recording the anxiety level after she

> > washes

> > > > her hands. How does he record it, rate by numbers? I think I

> > > will

> > > > do this with my daughter. She has this thing were she keeps

> > > wiping

> > > > after she goes to the BR, she doesn't feel like she is clean

> > > enough.

> > > > She has been clogging the toilets up and missing lots of class

> > > time.

> > > > ANy advise on to how to help her at school?? I feel like she

> > > needs

> > > > someone with her all day to monitor her behavior.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks again for sharing. Please let me know how your son did

> > the

> > > > rating. My daughter is only 8, so I think whatever it is it would

> > > > need to be simple. Did your therapist set a number on how many

> > > times

> > > > he could wash his hands or when he could wash or are you just

> > > > concentrating on the time thing for now??

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > DC

> > >

> >

>

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Oh, yeah, and I agree. . You can't forget the hand cream. We found

Eucerin worked the best for us.

****************

We like the Eucerin in the jar -- not the pump kind because the alcohol

irritated her eczema. The pharmacist has got us hooked on Aquaphilic now.

It's in a jar and is the stuff the pharmacist uses as a base for

cream-applied medications. It is wonderful for the eczema but takes a bit

to get it rubbed in good.

Beth

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I was onboard, Beth, until you said it had to be rubbed in good. lol

In spite of being food allergy tested and tested for pollens and molds

(all came back negative), he is still going through bouts of

itchiness. Rubbing things into his skin, makes it worse. I've got to

get him to a dermatologist. I think I kept hoping it would just

resolve itself, but that doesn't seem to be happening. Josh also

deals with eczema, has since he was a week old, but this itchy stuff

is something new.

BJ

>

> ****************

> Oh, yeah, and I agree. . You can't forget the hand cream. We found

> Eucerin worked the best for us.

> ****************

>

> We like the Eucerin in the jar -- not the pump kind because the alcohol

> irritated her eczema. The pharmacist has got us hooked on

Aquaphilic now.

> It's in a jar and is the stuff the pharmacist uses as a base for

> cream-applied medications. It is wonderful for the eczema but takes

a bit

> to get it rubbed in good.

>

> Beth

>

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> I was onboard, Beth, until you said it had to be rubbed in good. lol

Sorry, BJ - we only use the Aquaphilic at night. Otherwise she look like

a ghost with the white pastey look! LOL!

Maybe not a good choice for your son.

Beth

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I have atopic dermatitis, which starts as red spots and begins to scale...

also very dry skin. I use Lac-hydrin which you can get over the counter.

It's just like a normal lotion but it's the ONLY thing that helps me.

Re: Re: when ocd strikes

> I was onboard, Beth, until you said it had to be rubbed in

good. lol

Sorry, BJ - we only use the Aquaphilic at night. Otherwise she look like

a ghost with the white pastey look! LOL!

Maybe not a good choice for your son.

Beth

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Dianne,

Thanks for all the great ideas! I would like for her to try the

changing the ritual one. I suggested she try something new and she

was on board until I told her exactly what she had to do. I think

she balked becasue she knows it will be hard to do??

SHe had a rough day at school today-crying pretty hard over minor

mishaps. She comes off very hard and tough, but then every once in a

while she really just opens up to me and I see how fragile she is.

She is still having a lot of trouble focusing in class and today came

home with a bunch of classwork to make up. I also noticed she was

washing more and very high strung when she came home. Later when she

told me about her day I realized that she had a pretty stressful day.

WHoever said that they thought the OCD got worse under stress was

sooo right! I wish I could just get her to really focus on what I am

saying, but it seems like she is just in and out. SHe is jus all

over the place. Still easliy upset screamming for no good reason.

Well enough rambling. Your ideas have been very helpful.

Thanks so much,

DC

> > > >

> > > > Connie,

> > > >

> > > > I like the idea about recording the anxiety level after she

> > washes

> > > > her hands. How does he record it, rate by numbers? I think

I

> > > will

> > > > do this with my daughter. She has this thing were she keeps

> > > wiping

> > > > after she goes to the BR, she doesn't feel like she is clean

> > > enough.

> > > > She has been clogging the toilets up and missing lots of

class

> > > time.

> > > > ANy advise on to how to help her at school?? I feel like she

> > > needs

> > > > someone with her all day to monitor her behavior.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks again for sharing. Please let me know how your son

did

> > the

> > > > rating. My daughter is only 8, so I think whatever it is it

would

> > > > need to be simple. Did your therapist set a number on how

many

> > > times

> > > > he could wash his hands or when he could wash or are you just

> > > > concentrating on the time thing for now??

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > DC

> > >

> >

>

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