Adderall or Geodon Mess

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We started my 7 y/o with HFA on Adderall Monday morning. He has good focus for

about two hours but then very whiny, easily upset, crying etc. Yesterday was

worst. The Doc said to stop it and to try Geodon. I gave my son one pill before

bed last nite as prescribed. This morning he was sooo hyper, bouncin goff the

walls.

Could this still be a reaction from the Adderall crash? Is hyperactivty typical

with Geodon or does it take a while to work? Doc said it's like Abilify, which

we tried in the past but Abilify mello'd him out immediately.....

I left him at school today and he was bouncing off the walls. I have to work f/t

otherwise I would have kept him at home. I did not expect this reaction.

Any feedback is appreciated...

Thanks!

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Because Konrad was put on Geodon and Straterra at the same time and Karac became very aggressive, it is hard for me to know which caused what. I would think that about 20mg. of Geodon alone would be very calming. Pat K************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

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My 9 year old son also is on Geodon and Strattera

right now. He has also just started Wellbutrin. I

really want him off all these medications, but with no

help from the prescribing doctor. We go back on July

16, so hopefully I can get somewhere with her.

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, how much Geodon and Strattera is your son on? How long has he been on them? Why do you want to take him off of them? Pat K************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

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My son is on 160 mg of Geodon and 78 mg of Strattera

and 150 mg of Wellbutrin. He has been on both the

Geodon and Strattera since October 2006, gradually

increasing the dose and he was just put on the

Wellbutrin a few weeks ago.

I want him off of the medications mainly because his

behavior hasn't changed, for the better. He screams,

hits, kicks, bites and throws terrible tantrums. So

bad sometimes that the neighbors complain.

All I have been told is that this is going to get

worse before it gets better. How much worse? How

long do I have to endure the hitting, kicking,

screaming and biting? He has a picture schedule, time

timer, MRDD working with us and in home behavior

specialists. Nothing is working. I am at my wits

end. I had my mom and sister come and pick him up

yesterday and they took him to my mom's house for 2

weeks. Mainly to give all of us a break and to keep

us from being evicted. We have already been kicked

out of 2 apartments since September because of his

behavior. We can't find a house where we live that is

affordable.

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. Karac was exactly the same way when he was on Geodon and Straterra. Fortunately, he developed TD from the Geodon, and he had to be taken off. He was on Xanax and Clonidine for almost a year afterward to get over the TD and withdrawals. He has been off of everything for a year and is the best he has ever been. So there is hope.

Why in the world would the doctor keep him on that high a dosage of those two meds when it is not doing any good?? Why was he put on those meds in the first place? Is your son psychotic?

I am so sorry. Believe me I know what you are going through. I'm only the grandmother, but I had Karac 24/7. Pat K

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I would take him off of strattera and see what happens.

Strattera made my dd very angry and mean. She had alot of rage on it.

Elaine

> My son is on 160 mg of Geodon and 78 mg of Strattera

> and 150 mg of Wellbutrin. He has been on both the

> Geodon and Strattera since October 2006, gradually

> increasing the dose and he was just put on the

> Wellbutrin a few weeks ago.

>

> I want him off of the medications mainly because his

> behavior hasn't changed, for the better. He screams,

> hits, kicks, bites and throws terrible tantrums. So

> bad sometimes that the neighbors complain.

>

>>

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My son was also on Geodon and was developing TD so we went to Abilify- but

my son is only on 8 mg. And its the best he's ever done. He was also on

Adderall which made him aggressive, actually any of the ADD medicines made

my son aggressive and mean. My only real complaint about the Abilify is the

weigh gain and laziness- but that's also genetics too, so.... good luck. I

was thinking the same thing about the high doses.... why so high?? My son

is 182 lbs and only on 8 mg of Abilify. Why is your child on such high

doses with no relief???

Adrienne

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From: pkuenstler@...

Reply-To: AutismBehaviorProblems

To: AutismBehaviorProblems

Subject: Re: Re: Adderall or Geodon Mess

Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 15:11:21 EDT

. Karac was exactly the same way when he was on Geodon and

Straterra.

Fortunately, he developed TD from the Geodon, and he had to be taken off.

He was on Xanax and Clonidine for almost a year afterward to get over the

TD

and withdrawals. He has been off of everything for a year and is the best

he

has ever been. So there is hope.

Why in the world would the doctor keep him on that high a dosage of those

two

meds when it is not doing any good?? Why was he put on those meds in the

first place? Is your son psychotic?

I am so sorry. Believe me I know what you are going through. I'm only the

grandmother, but I had Karac 24/7. Pat K

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You can't take them off cold turkey without giving them something else. We gave Karac low dosage of Clonidine and Xanax to handle the withdrawal from the Geodon. After a year; he stopped taking any thing. He also learned to control his anxiety on his own by wrapping in his comforter or taking a shower or asking for a comfort food. He still will have brief periods of anxiety, but they don't make him aggressive because he knows what to do to calm himself.

I'm so sorry. I know what you are going through. I have scars on both arms for when Karac was going through withdrawal. Pat K************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

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Sorry it took me almost a week to respond. I have had a lot going on

this week.

The Doctor has kept increasing the dosage as his aggression gets

worse. I guess she thinks that the higher dosages would help. We go

back on July 16, so we will see what happens then. He was put on

those particular medications because of a severe violent outburst at

a Kroger store back in October. He was out of control and went to a

Rescue Crisis center here in Toledo, OH. I don't believe he was

initially psychotic, but I feel like the medication might be making

him that way. We are seeing signs of Tourettes and possible

Bipolar. This is so scary. Exactly the reason I kept him off of

medications for nearly 8 years.

You say he was taken off the meds. What happened/changed that made

him not be aggressive anymore? My mom had my son at her house for a

week, and Friday night she forgot to give him the medication and he

beat her up and broke lampshades.

I want him off these meds, because I don't think they are helping,

but he needs something because he can't control his aggression

without them. But on the other hand, he isn't a whole lot better on

them either.

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I am a very firm believer that sensory input would help aggressiveness. My son calms almost immediately when I apply joint compresssion, deep pressure, etc. Some times I simply just squeeze his arms intermittently and he LOVES it!He has never really been outwardly aggressive, so I cannot really imagine what it must be like, and I understand how it would be scary to take him off the meds once he is on. My son has his times when he gets VERY frustrated, and screams and pounds what is near...so far he has not pounded any person. I would have to agree that the meds add to the problem of aggression. My son is 16, and I have been on MANY different lists for "Autism". It has become pretty clear to me that the kids with aggression/violence problems are the ones on the meds that are "supposed" to alleviate these problems. Both times I tried these drugs for behavior/focus problems(Dexadrine & Rispedal) BAD reactions/side effects. I just can't see playing

Russian/Roulette with my son anymore. Lindy"Do not fear nor be dismayed for the Lord your God is with you ALWAYS!" 1:9 "The mighty oak was once a NUT that stood it's ground."

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I have had the same experience with meds, Lindy, Pat K************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

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I will agree with you (I've been in this game a long time too :-)

that most often from what I read it's the kids on the meds that have

the most behavior/aggression problems.

But, just to be fair (and I am a HUGE believer in biomed, been doing

it for what seems like forever), it was supplements that caused

serious - SERIOUS - aggression problems in my ds. IV glutathione in

particular almost had me calling 911. I wresteled with my ds for 8

hours, having to keep him from running away or attacking my other

children (dh was out of town). Tom was a big strong 11yo at the

time - I've never been so exhausted (mentally and physically!)

Other forms of gsh, mb12, nadh, gaba, dmsa, dmps and some others

have also brought out the worst in him. Usually these are delayed

reactions (several days to several weeks after starting the supp),

and they continue for several weeks after stopping it.

We still deal with intermittant aggression for no apparent reasons,

but I have to be so careful with what we try to help it. Often what

works for most kids sends him in the complete opposite direction.

Sally

>

> I am a very firm believer that sensory input would help

aggressiveness. My son calms almost immediately when I apply joint

compresssion, deep pressure, etc. Some times I simply just squeeze

his arms intermittently and he LOVES it!

> He has never really been outwardly aggressive, so I cannot really

imagine what it must be like, and I understand how it would be scary

to take him off the meds once he is on. My son has his times when

he gets VERY frustrated, and screams and pounds what is near...so

far he has not pounded any person.

> I would have to agree that the meds add to the problem of

aggression. My son is 16, and I have been on MANY different lists

for " Autism " . It has become pretty clear to me that the kids with

aggression/violence problems are the ones on the meds that

are " supposed " to alleviate these problems. Both times I tried these

drugs for behavior/focus problems(Dexadrine & Rispedal) BAD

reactions/side effects. I just can't see playing Russian/Roulette

with my son anymore. Lindy

>

>

> " Do not fear nor be dismayed for the Lord your God is with you

ALWAYS! " 1:9

> " The mighty oak was once a NUT that stood it's ground. "

>

[Guest guest]

Lindy,

So your son is off all meds now? If so- How did he do after coming off resperdal? J went thru a lot of mania. Lois

Re: Adderall or Geodon Mess

[Guest guest]

, all I can tell you is that I had the same problem with geodon and strattera. It took a year to get over it. Good luck, my thoughts are with you. Pat K************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

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Elaine, I second the motion; I say take him off Strattera and lower the Geodon to about 20mgs. Pat K************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

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I wanted to update you on my son. I have written about some of the

problems we are having with him, being on Geodon, Strattera and

Wellbutrin. Well,this morning he physically attacked me. All I asked

him to was not draw with his chalk. He was getting ready for daycare

this morning and I didn't want his clothes messed up with chalk. I

told him he could ride his scooter or play inside until I was ready to

go. Well, he started screaming, punching me, pinching, kicking,

pulling my hair. He pushed me down and pinned me down as he punched me

in the head. My head hurts really bad right now.

We called the police and his mental health case worker and they both

arrived at the same time. The police put handcuffs on him and escorted

him to Rescue Mental Health Center. He will be there for a few days.

Hopefully his meds will be adjusted.

Well, I want to rest now. Anyone have any suggestions?

[Guest guest]

I am sssoooo sorry you and your son had such a rough time. Is this new behavior for him? new meds? Hang in there and keep us posted on both of you. <<hugs>>

Missy

Re: Adderall or Geodon Mess

I wanted to update you on my son. I have written about some of the problems we are having with him, being on Geodon, Strattera and Wellbutrin. Well,this morning he physically attacked me. All I asked him to was not draw with his chalk. He was getting ready for daycare this morning and I didn't want his clothes messed up with chalk. I told him he could ride his scooter or play inside until I was ready to go. Well, he started screaming, punching me, pinching, kicking, pulling my hair. He pushed me down and pinned me down as he punched me in the head. My head hurts really bad right now.We called the police and his mental health case worker and they both arrived at the same time. The police put handcuffs on him and escorted him to Rescue Mental Health Center. He will be there for a few days. Hopefully his meds will be adjusted.Well, I want to rest now. Anyone have any suggestions?

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Thanks for writing back. No, these behaviors aren't new. He has done

these behaviors since he was little. But nothing gets through to

him. He has been on Geodon and Strattera since October 2006, with

dose increases. The Wellbutrin is new, he started that June 8,

2007. I just don't know what to do. He attacked my mom this past

Friday night as well. Hurt her worse than me. I don't know what is

going on with him. I will keep you all posted.

>

>

> I am sssoooo sorry you and your son had such a rough time. Is this

new behavior for him? new meds? Hang in there and keep us posted on

both of you. <<hugs>>

> Missy

>

>

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> Re: Adderall or Geodon Mess

>

>

> I wanted to update you on my son. I have written about some of

the

> problems we are having with him, being on Geodon, Strattera and

> Wellbutrin. Well,this morning he physically attacked me. All I

asked

> him to was not draw with his chalk. He was getting ready for

daycare

> this morning and I didn't want his clothes messed up with chalk.

I

> told him he could ride his scooter or play inside until I was

ready to

> go. Well, he started screaming, punching me, pinching, kicking,

> pulling my hair. He pushed me down and pinned me down as he

punched me

> in the head. My head hurts really bad right now.

>

> We called the police and his mental health case worker and they

both

> arrived at the same time. The police put handcuffs on him and

escorted

> him to Rescue Mental Health Center. He will be there for a few

days.

> Hopefully his meds will be adjusted.

>

> Well, I want to rest now. Anyone have any suggestions?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Have you tried not giving him strattera?

That made my dd rage alot while on it.

I have a feeling alot of your son's problems may be made worse by it.....

Elaine

> problems we are having with him, being on Geodon, Strattera and

>> Wellbutrin. Well,this morning he physically attacked me. All I

> asked

>> him to was not draw with his chalk. He was getting ready for

> daycare

>> this morning and I didn't want his clothes messed up with chalk.

> I

>> told him he could ride his scooter or play inside until I was

> ready to

>> go. Well, he started screaming, punching me, pinching, kicking,

>> pulling my hair. He pushed me down and pinned me down as he

> punched me

>> in the head. My head hurts really bad right now.

>>

>> We called the police and his mental health case worker and they

> both

>> arrived at the same time. The police put handcuffs on him and

> escorted

>> him to Rescue Mental Health Center. He will be there for a few

> days.

>> Hopefully his meds will be adjusted.

>>

>> Well, I want to rest now. Anyone have any suggestions?

>>

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[Guest guest]

I am absolutely no help when it comes to meds but I am sure others will have advice on that subject..I know alot of these meds induce rages in "some" of our kids...sigh...such a juggling act!

Since he has had these behaviors for awhile have you tried any behavior mod techniques to help him decompress? You ( and your family) shouldnt have to live in fear. Is there any one you can ask for help? respite? intervention?

Missy( with more questions than answers)

Re: Adderall or Geodon Mess> > > I wanted to update you on my son. I have written about some of the > problems we are having with him, being on Geodon, Strattera and > Wellbutrin. Well,this morning he physically attacked me. All I asked > him to was not draw with his chalk. He was getting ready for daycare > this morning and I didn't want his clothes messed up with chalk. I > told him he could ride his scooter or play inside until I was ready to > go. Well, he started screaming, punching me, pinching, kicking, > pulling my hair. He pushed me down and pinned me down as he punched me > in the head. My head hurts really bad right now.> > We called the police and his mental health case worker and they both > arrived at the same time. The police put handcuffs on him and escorted > him to Rescue Mental Health Center. He will be there for a few days. > Hopefully his meds will be adjusted.> > Well, I want to rest now. Anyone have any suggestions?> > >

[Guest guest]

I have a behavior specialist from MRDD in my home at least once a

week. I have a home based therapist and case manager from Connecting

Point (which is the agency where his psychiatrist is located) in my

home at least 1-2 times a week. I am working on getting an emergency

Individual Options Waiver so I can get some respite. I can't get out

to meet people to find respite providers for us. The MRDD in the

county I live in, doesn't have any respite providers unless you are

on a waiver. I get some family resource money, but we only get $500

this year and a center based respite is $200 per night. Since he

attacked my mom as well (On Friday), she can't watch him anymore for

me. Hopefully the Crisis center he is at now can help with the meds

and treatment. I'll keep you updated.

Thanks,

> >

> >

> > I am sssoooo sorry you and your son had such a rough time. Is

this

> new behavior for him? new meds? Hang in there and keep us posted

on

> both of you. <<hugs>>

> > Missy

> >

> >

> >

> > Re: Adderall or Geodon Mess

> >

> >

> > I wanted to update you on my son. I have written about some of

> the

> > problems we are having with him, being on Geodon, Strattera and

> > Wellbutrin. Well,this morning he physically attacked me. All I

> asked

> > him to was not draw with his chalk. He was getting ready for

> daycare

> > this morning and I didn't want his clothes messed up with

chalk.

> I

> > told him he could ride his scooter or play inside until I was

> ready to

> > go. Well, he started screaming, punching me, pinching, kicking,

> > pulling my hair. He pushed me down and pinned me down as he

> punched me

> > in the head. My head hurts really bad right now.

> >

> > We called the police and his mental health case worker and they

> both

> > arrived at the same time. The police put handcuffs on him and

> escorted

> > him to Rescue Mental Health Center. He will be there for a few

> days.

> > Hopefully his meds will be adjusted.

> >

> > Well, I want to rest now. Anyone have any suggestions?

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I will mention that to the doctor tomorrow if I am there when she is,

or to the people at the Crisis center.

Thanks,

>

> Have you tried not giving him strattera?

> That made my dd rage alot while on it.

> I have a feeling alot of your son's problems may be made worse by

it.....

>

> Elaine

>

>

> > problems we are having with him, being on Geodon, Strattera and

> >> Wellbutrin. Well,this morning he physically attacked me. All I

> > asked

> >> him to was not draw with his chalk. He was getting ready for

> > daycare

> >> this morning and I didn't want his clothes messed up with

chalk.

> > I

> >> told him he could ride his scooter or play inside until I was

> > ready to

> >> go. Well, he started screaming, punching me, pinching, kicking,

> >> pulling my hair. He pushed me down and pinned me down as he

> > punched me

> >> in the head. My head hurts really bad right now.

> >>

> >> We called the police and his mental health case worker and they

> > both

> >> arrived at the same time. The police put handcuffs on him and

> > escorted

> >> him to Rescue Mental Health Center. He will be there for a few

> > days.

> >> Hopefully his meds will be adjusted.

> >>

> >> Well, I want to rest now. Anyone have any suggestions?

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

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> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks for replying. I am not sure what meds we would try next. We

have tried Risperdal and Clonidine (at the same time), Ativan,

Seroquel, Abilify, and I think there may be one more, but I can't think

of it right now. It's a terrible thing to be afraid of your 9 year

old. What upset me was that the police handcuffed him. I never

thought I would see that happen, at least so young.

>

> , all I can tell you is that I had the same problem with

geodon and

> strattera. It took a year to get over it. Good luck, my thoughts

are with you.

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Oh, , I am so sorry. We had to hospitalize Karac at that age because of that behavior. I think it was the Abilify that caused it at that time with Karac. blessings, Pat K************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.