Progesterone

[Guest guest]

Thank you Christie. I really appreciate the time you've taken to go into this

with me. I will definitely order the Vliet book you recommended it and look

into getting a comprehensive hormone test.

With much gratitude,

Filippa

Re: progesterone

>> You can't get pg unless you ovulate right? so I must have been ovulating.

but I guess your point is whether I'm ovulating post-miscarriage? <<

Right, exactly!

>> No I haven't Christie but I'll check into it. What aspects don't you buy

into? (if it's easy to summarise, don't worry if it's too much to go into here).

<<

In a nutshell, I think Dr. Vliet goes directly to hormone administration,

without trying other ways to modulate the hormones first. She TALKS ABOUT those

other ways, and recommends them to her patients along with hormone therapy, but

doesn't try them first. For instance, I've seen a lot of women with PCOS on the

Atkins lists, who have their symptoms go away after starting low carb. I'd

personally rather try a diet change before I try taking exogenous hormones!

I also don't fully agree with her dietary counseling (esp in her earlier books

- she gets closer and closer over time to what I DO believe).

But I agree with her more than I disagree with her, and I think her books are

extremely helpful to women with hormone problems, or even just questions.

Christie

[Guest guest]

>

> >even free range/organic chicken? Wow I didn't know that. I thought

> >it was only hormone fed battery chickens.

>

>i'm not sure on this - this information comes from before my organic days...

>

>===> hmmm, I need to check into this one. I know Sally Fallon thinks it's

>an inferior protein to fish and red meat.

yeah. in my opinion, chicken is just a quick-moving vegetable. but if you

like it, then...

> >sorry what does " ymmv " stand for? :-|

>

>your mileage may vary.

>

>===> Thank you, I never would have worked that one out!! Actually I don't

>even understand the expression itself. Means " everyone's different? "

pretty much, yeah

-katja

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Not sure how you got the idea this female hormone would effect conversion.

I do know this hormone is taken by women on ERT 7 to 9 days to bring

on their monthly period. It does have an effect on estrogen use in the

female and was one of the reasons PremPro did not work correctly

causing the recent hormone study to be halted. PemPro is a blend of

estrogen and progesterone. The pharmaceutical company knew there would

be a tremendous demand for a period free form of hormone therapy, if

it could just be safe.

Progesterone used daily does not allow estrogen to be used by some

parts of the female body that needs it. This un-natural daily amount

of hormone was harmful on the long haul. Even thought the effects on

the female were small they still may have been responsible for heart

and cancer problems associated with the PremPro patients.

That's all I know about Progesterone.

ernestnolan

>

> Has anyone tried supplementation with progesterone cream to help

keep T from

> converting to E2 or DHT?

[Guest guest]

What about progesterone in men. What evidence is there that it

is needed and what replacement levels do we know about.----

I only briefly touched on this in paragraph #18 of my post:

Progesterone performs other functions in both sexes. It controls

mood, and has been recently discovered to play a key role in sexual

activity in both men and women. It promotes non-violent,

solicitious, empathic behavior - necessary components in evoking

desire and cooperation of a partner.

Personally I give little credence to hormonal testing and I believe

that required levels of all hormones in both sexes are *unknown* and

are in a constant state of flux thus *impossible to measure.*

It seems that men are rarely deficient in estrogen due to

testosterone's tendency to convert into E2. Does it also convert to

progesterone? I have no idea. Seeing as it is primarily a female

hormone, it is certainly needed in greater quantities by women, but

unless testosterone also converts to progesterone in men then it is

possible that men as they age might need supplemental P.

Apparently this hormone in men has been as neglected by medical

research to the same degree as testosterone's functions in women.

R

[Guest guest]

No - Testosterone does not convert to progesterone. I am considering

supplementing with Progesterone. That is why I brough the question up a few

days ago. I will be having my levels checked next week and will keep you

all informed.

Drake

Re: progesterone

>

>

> What about progesterone in men. What evidence is there that it

> is needed and what replacement levels do we know about.----

>

> I only briefly touched on this in paragraph #18 of my post:

>

> Progesterone performs other functions in both sexes. It controls

> mood, and has been recently discovered to play a key role in sexual

> activity in both men and women. It promotes non-violent,

> solicitious, empathic behavior - necessary components in evoking

> desire and cooperation of a partner.

>

> Personally I give little credence to hormonal testing and I believe

> that required levels of all hormones in both sexes are *unknown* and

> are in a constant state of flux thus *impossible to measure.*

>

> It seems that men are rarely deficient in estrogen due to

> testosterone's tendency to convert into E2. Does it also convert to

> progesterone? I have no idea. Seeing as it is primarily a female

> hormone, it is certainly needed in greater quantities by women, but

> unless testosterone also converts to progesterone in men then it is

> possible that men as they age might need supplemental P.

>

> Apparently this hormone in men has been as neglected by medical

> research to the same degree as testosterone's functions in women.

>

> R

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What do you expect the progesterone to do for you and what studies or info

do you rely upon.

Thank you.

Winter

>From: " Veganman " <veganman23@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: Re: progesterone

>Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:25:07 -0800

>

>

>No - Testosterone does not convert to progesterone. I am considering

>supplementing with Progesterone. That is why I brough the question up a

>few

>days ago. I will be having my levels checked next week and will keep you

>all informed.

>

>Drake

> Re: progesterone

>

>

> >

> >

> > What about progesterone in men. What evidence is there that it

> > is needed and what replacement levels do we know about.----

> >

> > I only briefly touched on this in paragraph #18 of my post:

> >

> > Progesterone performs other functions in both sexes. It controls

> > mood, and has been recently discovered to play a key role in sexual

> > activity in both men and women. It promotes non-violent,

> > solicitious, empathic behavior - necessary components in evoking

> > desire and cooperation of a partner.

> >

> > Personally I give little credence to hormonal testing and I believe

> > that required levels of all hormones in both sexes are *unknown* and

> > are in a constant state of flux thus *impossible to measure.*

> >

> > It seems that men are rarely deficient in estrogen due to

> > testosterone's tendency to convert into E2. Does it also convert to

> > progesterone? I have no idea. Seeing as it is primarily a female

> > hormone, it is certainly needed in greater quantities by women, but

> > unless testosterone also converts to progesterone in men then it is

> > possible that men as they age might need supplemental P.

> >

> > Apparently this hormone in men has been as neglected by medical

> > research to the same degree as testosterone's functions in women.

> >

> > R

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Progesterone is a known hormone that induces a period in women as it

has to be taken 7-9 days/month to bring on the period for a women on ERT.

I have not heard of it being used in male hormone therapy unless it

might be to help deminish testosterone for those suffering from a type

of prostate cancer which grows fast because of a normal testosterone

level.

It doesn't have extensive studies with those on TRT as I have not

heard of it at all since my becoming interested in TRT back in 1992.

Google did not turn up anyh mention using it for treating andropause

I suggest you consider talking via e-mail to Dr. R. Don Gambrell,

Augusta GA who answers questions.

http://www.members.aol.com/gambr999/

ernestnolan

>

> Anyone using Progesterone as part of their TRT?

>

> It looks like an important part of TRT.

>

> I am about to start adding Progesterone at 5-10 mg a day.

>

> Dr. Lam has quite a bit of info on TRT and a small section on

Progesterone.

>

> http://drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/andropause2002.cfm

>

> Normalization of Hypothalamic Function section is interesting too.

[Guest guest]

I am finding out that Progesterone might be the best anti-Estradiol for a man.

My 2nd day on around 10mg a day and have seen one improvement already.

My Estradiol has gone up to 130 (10-50) The only side effect i have seen from

this high

Estradiol is some bloating. This bloating has made my temples of my glasses push

away

from my head and also leave an indent in the skin.

Today, the temples of the glasses are back flush with my head, i still have the

indent in the

skin, but not as bad. It will be interesting to see what my next Estradiol blood

test says in

a month or so. Only taking zinc for Estradiol and it did not keep it from rising

to 130.

Progesterone is so darn cheap, 10 bucks for a years supply.

> >

> > Anyone using Progesterone as part of their TRT?

> >

> > It looks like an important part of TRT.

> >

> > I am about to start adding Progesterone at 5-10 mg a day.

> >

> > Dr. Lam has quite a bit of info on TRT and a small section on

> Progesterone.

> >

> > http://drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/andropause2002.cfm

> >

> > Normalization of Hypothalamic Function section is interesting too.

[Guest guest]

Where do you buy progesterone? Is it by prescription only?

Re: Progesterone

I am finding out that Progesterone might be the best anti-Estradiol for a man.

My 2nd day on around 10mg a day and have seen one improvement already.

My Estradiol has gone up to 130 (10-50) The only side effect i have seen from

this high

Estradiol is some bloating. This bloating has made my temples of my glasses

push away

from my head and also leave an indent in the skin.

Today, the temples of the glasses are back flush with my head, i still have

the indent in the

skin, but not as bad. It will be interesting to see what my next Estradiol

blood test says in

a month or so. Only taking zinc for Estradiol and it did not keep it from

rising to 130.

Progesterone is so darn cheap, 10 bucks for a years supply.

> >

> > Anyone using Progesterone as part of their TRT?

> >

> > It looks like an important part of TRT.

> >

> > I am about to start adding Progesterone at 5-10 mg a day.

> >

> > Dr. Lam has quite a bit of info on TRT and a small section on

> Progesterone.

> >

> > http://drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/andropause2002.cfm

> >

> > Normalization of Hypothalamic Function section is interesting too.

[Guest guest]

According to Dr. lee, supposed to be the expert on progesterone,

Natural Pregesterone cream is the only way to go.

http://www.johnleemd.com/ He has links to where to purchase

> > >

> > > Anyone using Progesterone as part of their TRT?

> > >

> > > It looks like an important part of TRT.

> > >

> > > I am about to start adding Progesterone at 5-10 mg a day.

> > >

> > > Dr. Lam has quite a bit of info on TRT and a small section on

> > Progesterone.

> > >

> > > http://drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/andropause2002.cfm

> > >

> > > Normalization of Hypothalamic Function section is interesting

too.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Just a note, I have read that high progesterone levels will suppress

DHT and progesterone is what they give sexual predators to suppress

their sex drive, but its given in extremely high dosages from my

understanding.

Have you noticed any effect on your libido, I would be curious to

know.

thanks!

> > >

> > > Anyone using Progesterone as part of their TRT?

> > >

> > > It looks like an important part of TRT.

> > >

> > > I am about to start adding Progesterone at 5-10 mg a day.

> > >

> > > Dr. Lam has quite a bit of info on TRT and a small section on

> > Progesterone.

> > >

> > > http://drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/andropause2002.cfm

> > >

> > > Normalization of Hypothalamic Function section is interesting

too.

[Guest guest]

At 10mg a day there should not be much change at all, other then a reduction in

the

effects of Estrogen/Estradiol which i am already seeing. Should see some

improvment of

the skin where it is applied.

Women make 400mg a day when they are pregnent. It is a real feel good hormone,

and

after birth the levels drop fast giving women Postpartum Depression.

Funny thing is my libido has been through the roof for the past few months.

Morning

wood, NRE's, crazy chasing the wife around all day, everything makes me horny.

The one thing that stopped it for a few days was taking Arimidex, and only

..25mg, i swear

that stuff is evil. I am not ever go take that stuff any more. It stopped it by

making me feel

icky and all messed up. I keep testing Arimidex out and it keeps giving me nasty

sides.

There are a few items that might account for this libido increase.

Started back on HGH at 1 iu a day a few months ago.

Switched to sub-q injections of testosterone a few months ago.

Started 6 weeks ago adding some testosterone cream to the penis each day.

Added back in the HCG 1-2 times a week a few months ago, 250-500 iu a week.

Estradiol is high 130 (10-50) might be helping with the libido.

Switched to 5mg once a week for Selegiline from 1mg a day.

Take 5-HTP, Pregnenolone and DHEA once a week from a few times a week.

Might try higher doses with the Progesterone, but need to research that a bit.

Right now

10mg is quite safe.

> > > >

> > > > Anyone using Progesterone as part of their TRT?

> > > >

> > > > It looks like an important part of TRT.

> > > >

> > > > I am about to start adding Progesterone at 5-10 mg a day.

> > > >

> > > > Dr. Lam has quite a bit of info on TRT and a small section on

> > > Progesterone.

> > > >

> > > > http://drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/andropause2002.cfm

> > > >

> > > > Normalization of Hypothalamic Function section is interesting

> too.

[Guest guest]

,

I've been trying to get my libido back for over two years now so I was

very interested in your post. I'm guessing that you are saying your

libido is very high now primarily because of the Progesterone?

Some other questions I have are you said you are taking HGH. How did

you find your HGH level was low if it was? Also in what form are you

taking the HGH?

Are you taking the testosterone injections and applying the cream

because your T levels were low? The reason I'm asking this is because

my T levels are very high already.

You said your Estradiol level was very high and that could be causing

your high libido. I have understood that a high Estradiol level is a

libido killer. My level is towards the top of the acceptable range and

I need to get it down.

The other stuff that you are taking, the Seleginine, the Pregnenolone,

and DHEA, how did you determine that you needed to take them? Also

what is HTP?

> > > > >

> > > > > Anyone using Progesterone as part of their TRT?

> > > > >

> > > > > It looks like an important part of TRT.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am about to start adding Progesterone at 5-10 mg a day.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dr. Lam has quite a bit of info on TRT and a small section on

> > > > Progesterone.

> > > > >

> > > > > http://drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/andropause2002.cfm

> > > > >

> > > > > Normalization of Hypothalamic Function section is interesting

> > too.

[Guest guest]

I really dont know if there is anything in the way of studies on men and

progesterone. I think this is all uncharted territory. There is some data

from women that people try to extrapolate over to men or an individual

doctor here and there that recommends somethings. If there is anything more

substantial than that I would be interested in a source so that I could

review it. By the way, I have nothing against uncharted territory. I am

just saying that I just have not seen anything substantial on men and

progesterone and I dont think a search turns up much either. I would be glad

to see it though. Where do men produce progesterone in their bodies? Is

from the adrenal glands or conversion from T or what?

Dennis

>From: " bradtace1 " <ace1965@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Progesterone

>Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 15:35:51 -0000

>

>

>,

>

>I've been trying to get my libido back for over two years now so I was

>very interested in your post. I'm guessing that you are saying your

>libido is very high now primarily because of the Progesterone?

>

>Some other questions I have are you said you are taking HGH. How did

>you find your HGH level was low if it was? Also in what form are you

>taking the HGH?

>

>Are you taking the testosterone injections and applying the cream

>because your T levels were low? The reason I'm asking this is because

>my T levels are very high already.

>

>You said your Estradiol level was very high and that could be causing

>your high libido. I have understood that a high Estradiol level is a

>libido killer. My level is towards the top of the acceptable range and

>I need to get it down.

>

>The other stuff that you are taking, the Seleginine, the Pregnenolone,

>and DHEA, how did you determine that you needed to take them? Also

>what is HTP?

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anyone using Progesterone as part of their TRT?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It looks like an important part of TRT.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am about to start adding Progesterone at 5-10 mg a day.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dr. Lam has quite a bit of info on TRT and a small section on

> > > > > Progesterone.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/andropause2002.cfm

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Normalization of Hypothalamic Function section is interesting

> > > too.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

" Dr. Lee, a leading proponent of natural progesterone therapy,

has found that progesterone cream decreases prostate enlargement. "

Article here

http://www.freeworldalliance.com/medicalmafia/prostate.htm

> I really dont know if there is anything in the way of studies on

men and

> progesterone. I think this is all uncharted territory. There is

some data

> from women that people try to extrapolate over to men or an

individual

> doctor here and there that recommends somethings. If there is

anything more

> substantial than that I would be interested in a source so that I

could

> review it. By the way, I have nothing against uncharted territory.

I am

> just saying that I just have not seen anything substantial on men

and

> progesterone and I dont think a search turns up much either. I

would be glad

> to see it though. Where do men produce progesterone in their

bodies? Is

> from the adrenal glands or conversion from T or what?

>

> Dennis

>

> >From: " bradtace1 " <ace1965@c...>

> >Reply-

> >

> >Subject: Re: Progesterone

> >Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 15:35:51 -0000

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Started TRT in Oct 2003 with Androgel, switched to injections Dec 2003.

My libido has been getting progressively better, but it has gone crazy these

past few

months. I had expected it to drop off, but it has not. it is most likly that i

have reached my

goal of having the hormonal profile of a young man.

I just started with Progesterone to lower the Estradiol level, so no,

Progesterone has had

nothing to do so far with the libido. It is used in men to increase libido

though.

I have Empty Sella Syndrome, which gives me Hypogonadism, Hypothyroidism,

Adrenal

Fatigue, and Adult Growth Hormone Deficiency (AGHD)

Having a crushed Pititary will cause all ones hormones to be out of wack. Having

a

deficiency in a hormone, it is very easy to see a result. Normal men can inject

1,000mg of

Testosterone and not even notice it as they are not correcting a deficiency.

I had low Testosterone, Thyroid, DHEA-S, IGF-1. These coraspond to the above

conditions.

The IGF-1 blood test will indicate AGHD. You can also get and use it as an

anti-aging

product. It is injected each day 1 iu sub-q 29-30 gauage. get a blood test

first.

No clue why the high Estradiol has not killed my libido. It is needed in men for

libido, and

maybe i am at the right amount.

Selegiline is used to increase Dopamine and decrease Prolactin.

Pregnenolone is great for brain function.

DHEA is made by the Adrenals and i am just replacing what is missing.

5-HTP is used to increase Serotonin.

Melatonin is for sleep and as an antioxidant.

HCG acts like LH, telling the nuts to produce Testosterone. Side effect is nut

size increase.

If you have used any hair loss products, that would be the first thing to look

at.

The most important thing is to get all your hormones checked first as a base

line at least

before trying any hormones out.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Anyone using Progesterone as part of their TRT?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It looks like an important part of TRT.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am about to start adding Progesterone at 5-10 mg a day.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dr. Lam has quite a bit of info on TRT and a small section on

> > > > > Progesterone.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > http://drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/andropause2002.cfm

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Normalization of Hypothalamic Function section is interesting

> > > too.

[Guest guest]

Okay Ladies,

I had blood work done that showed I was low in progesterone, so I just

started taking the natural cream and it is putting me back into the brain

fog I had when I first got my implants. Does anyone know why this would

happen.

Thanks so much,

Stacie

>From: Rogene S <saxony01@...>

>Reply-

> < >, SiliconeKids

><siliconekids >

>Subject: Rally in DC

>Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 21:03:07 -0700 (PDT)

>

>

>Note: forwarded message attached.

><< message5.txt >>

[Guest guest]

oh my gosh...I am NOW going thorugh the exact thing...except I am doing

a sublingual compounded from

Med Quest pharmacy. All my symptoms seem to be coming back terribly! I

am writng from bed as my symptoms are SO BAD

Whats going on?

Stacie Hall wrote:

Okay Ladies,

I had blood work done that showed I was low in progesterone, so I just started taking the natural cream and it is putting me back into the brain fog I had when I first got my implants. Does anyone know why this would happen.

Thanks so much,

Stacie

From: Rogene S <saxony01@...>

Reply-

< >, SiliconeKids <siliconekids >

Subject: Rally in DC

Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 21:03:07 -0700 (PDT)

Note: forwarded message attached.

<< message5.txt >>

[Guest guest]

Hmmm, this is one of those things where you might need to go really

slowly and see if this is going to work for you in the long term or

not. Are you both under the care of doctors who are monitoring your

hormone levels?

Progesterone is needed to offset estrogen dominance, and it could

just be that your hormones are re-balancing. I used progesterone

cream for a period of time....very short initially as I got break

through bleeding (got my period halfway through my cycle). I didn't

know what to think either, but Dr. Kolb told me to back off of it.

I did, but when I was diagnosed with the Hashimoto's, I gave it

another go and I did better with it then. I used it for probably

six months or so. I could tell it definitely had an effect on my

cycle, and it did not make my symptoms worse at that point. It may

have helped, but it wasn't one of those things that I could

say, " Eureka! This is it! " I just felt better knowing that it was

supporting my thyroid and balancing the estrogen, which is

detrimental when it is dominant. I have used both the sublingual and

the cream. The sublinguals tasted gross. I still have them.

If you know it is the progesterone making your symptoms worse, ask

your doctor. You may need to quit taking it. However, it also may

be a situation where you need to let your body acclimate to the idea

of taking it and get balanced out, so that in time, you are feeling

much better.

Hormones generally are hard to balance, and this includes the

thyroid.

When I started taking thyroid meds, at first I didn't feel all that

hot with them. I felt kinda crappy. But I definitely needed them.

It took about 6 weeks for my body to get used to a daily dose of

armour, and after that, things really leveled out. Of course, now I

rarely take them at all. My body seems to have adjusted well and

rebalanced itself or something....

Hope this helps to make some sense of it all...

I know it is difficult ladies...

Love,

Patty

>

> >Okay Ladies,

> >

> >I had blood work done that showed I was low in progesterone, so I

just

> >started taking the natural cream and it is putting me back into

the brain

> >fog I had when I first got my implants. Does anyone know why

this would

> >happen.

> >

> >Thanks so much,

> >Stacie

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >>From: Rogene S <saxony01@y...>

> >>Reply-

> >> < >, SiliconeKids

> >><siliconekids >

> >>Subject: Rally in DC

> >>Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 21:03:07 -0700 (PDT)

> >>

> >>

> >>Note: forwarded message attached.

> >><< message5.txt >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician

or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Stacie, One thing I remember from Dr. Lee's book is that hormones should be tested via saliva. Measuring in the blood does not give the right readings according to him. You might try getting a saliva test and compare. Love, Anita Rally in DC>Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 21:03:07 -0700 (PDT)>>>Note: forwarded message attached.><< message5.txt >>

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

Just as an FYI for women in child bearing years - progesterone in very large

doses is exactly what the " morning after pill " (marketed in the UK as Provigil)

is. This blocks a fertilised egg from implanting on the walls of the uterus for

about 3 to 4 days after taking. Be careful.

- Donna

[Guest guest]

>(marketed in the UK as Provigil)

Is this the same drug as the one marketed in the US as

Provigil? It's used to combat fatigue by many CMTers.

Donna & wrote:

> Hi there,

>

> Just as an FYI for women in child bearing years -

progesterone in very

> large doses is exactly what the " morning after pill "

(marketed in the UK

> as Provigil) is. This blocks a fertilised egg from

implanting on the

> walls of the uterus for about 3 to 4 days after

taking. Be careful.

>

> - Donna

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Hi Phil,

You may have given this to me before and I apologize if you have, but can

you send me a link to " Dr. 's website? "

Thanks for the info.

Mike

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:24 AM, philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>wrote:

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> I feel it's a feminizing hormone as per Dr. and men should not use it.

> Unless you want to cry at sad movies and such. If your low and the other

> hormones are off like DHEA you can try Pregnenolone Cream it's at the top of

> the hormone tree and will convert into other hormones that one needs.

> http://www.vitaminusa.com/prbocr2ozbyl.html

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> Here is a link from the files section at the home page called " Dr. 's

> Steroid Pathway.pdf "

> http://tinyurl.com/2a8mo5p

> If this link does not work go there and look it up you will see how this

> works.

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> Dr. feels there is a lot of crap out on the web about men doing

> Progesterone and feels most of his men got gyno on it and high levels of

> Estradiol, with hot flash's and such.

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> Co-Moderator

> Phil

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> > From: Rouse

<michael.hugh.rouse@...<michael.hugh.rouse%40gmail.com>

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> > Subject: Progesterone

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> > Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 5:25 PM

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> > Hi Group,

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> > Where does progesterone place in all of this? Mine is

> > pretty low and my doc

> > said that she will eventually add this in. However,

> > she did say that it can

> > be tricky with men. So, what do you guys think about

> > it for men?

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> > Thanks,

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> > --

> > Mike

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[Guest guest]

Sure his site is www.allthingsmale.com and his forum is

http://www.musclechatroom.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s= & daysprune= & f=2

Co-Moderator

Phil

> >

> > > From: Rouse

<michael.hugh.rouse@...<michael.hugh.rouse%40gmail.com>

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> > > Subject: Progesterone

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> > > Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 5:25 PM

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> > > Hi Group,

> > >

> > > Where does progesterone place in all of

> this?  Mine is

> > > pretty low and my doc

> > > said that she will eventually add this in. 

> However,

> > > she did say that it can

> > > be tricky with men.  So, what do you guys

> think about

> > > it for men?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > --

> > > Mike

> > >

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