Re: Self-intro of Leah - Humboldt County, CA

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Don't judge? I'll judge all I want. I have a right to my own opinion.I have no problem with you charging whatever you want. That's capitalism. But that doesn't mean I'm going to pay your price or that I'm going to respect you for charging it.You've made it quite clear that you're considering charging more because other people are paying a higher price from another supplier. "If the market can bear it." That's why you're going to raise the price to $15, not because of the price of hay, which you added as an afterthought.Every business person seeks to generate more profit. And if you are the only supplier and you charge a high price, that means you are taking advantage of the fact that you're the only one I can get the milk from. That, in my mind, makes you exploitive. I'm sure in your mind it makes you entrepreneurial. Unfortunately, you have made your raw milk cost-prohibitive to a large sector of society. It's a niche for the rich. Just like organic food is a niche for the rich. Organic farmers price their products on recommended pricing from the organic food association, not on what it actually costs to the grow the food. And so only the monied can buy organic. Screw the little guy on minimum wage. Collusion is what I call it.You say the supermarket charges $4 a quart. Do you have any idea how much overhead a supermarket has? A private individual charging as much as a supermarket is not someone I would buy from in the name of "supporting the farmer." I would boycott your product and buy from the supermarket because their price at least reflects cost of wholesale plus overhead. And I can purchase it whenever I want, instead of driving out to a farm during specific hours. That's my personal choice as a consumer, just as your price point is your personal choice.Joannewww.joanneunleashed.comOn Jul 12, 2010, at 9:06 AM, RawDairy wrote: I charge $12and was considering going up to $15 since all the larger suppliers chargethat. Myenburg in the supermarket here is charging $4/quart.If the market can bear it then guess what?I have so many customers I have a waiting list. Let me add I’m in the Westpalm Beach area. And EVERYTHING is ridiculously expensive. I pay $20 for a50# bale of alfalfa hay. And that is just one example. Every thing costsmore. There fore I charge more. Don’t judge!

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Don't judge? I'll judge all I want. I have a right to my own opinion.I have no problem with you charging whatever you want. That's capitalism. But that doesn't mean I'm going to pay your price or that I'm going to respect you for charging it.You've made it quite clear that you're considering charging more because other people are paying a higher price from another supplier. "If the market can bear it." That's why you're going to raise the price to $15, not because of the price of hay, which you added as an afterthought.Every business person seeks to generate more profit. And if you are the only supplier and you charge a high price, that means you are taking advantage of the fact that you're the only one I can get the milk from. That, in my mind, makes you exploitive. I'm sure in your mind it makes you entrepreneurial. Unfortunately, you have made your raw milk cost-prohibitive to a large sector of society. It's a niche for the rich. Just like organic food is a niche for the rich. Organic farmers price their products on recommended pricing from the organic food association, not on what it actually costs to the grow the food. And so only the monied can buy organic. Screw the little guy on minimum wage. Collusion is what I call it.You say the supermarket charges $4 a quart. Do you have any idea how much overhead a supermarket has? A private individual charging as much as a supermarket is not someone I would buy from in the name of "supporting the farmer." I would boycott your product and buy from the supermarket because their price at least reflects cost of wholesale plus overhead. And I can purchase it whenever I want, instead of driving out to a farm during specific hours. That's my personal choice as a consumer, just as your price point is your personal choice.Joannewww.joanneunleashed.comOn Jul 12, 2010, at 9:06 AM, RawDairy wrote: I charge $12and was considering going up to $15 since all the larger suppliers chargethat. Myenburg in the supermarket here is charging $4/quart.If the market can bear it then guess what?I have so many customers I have a waiting list. Let me add I’m in the Westpalm Beach area. And EVERYTHING is ridiculously expensive. I pay $20 for a50# bale of alfalfa hay. And that is just one example. Every thing costsmore. There fore I charge more. Don’t judge!

[Guest guest]

Don't judge? I'll judge all I want. I have a right to my own opinion.I have no problem with you charging whatever you want. That's capitalism. But that doesn't mean I'm going to pay your price or that I'm going to respect you for charging it.You've made it quite clear that you're considering charging more because other people are paying a higher price from another supplier. "If the market can bear it." That's why you're going to raise the price to $15, not because of the price of hay, which you added as an afterthought.Every business person seeks to generate more profit. And if you are the only supplier and you charge a high price, that means you are taking advantage of the fact that you're the only one I can get the milk from. That, in my mind, makes you exploitive. I'm sure in your mind it makes you entrepreneurial. Unfortunately, you have made your raw milk cost-prohibitive to a large sector of society. It's a niche for the rich. Just like organic food is a niche for the rich. Organic farmers price their products on recommended pricing from the organic food association, not on what it actually costs to the grow the food. And so only the monied can buy organic. Screw the little guy on minimum wage. Collusion is what I call it.You say the supermarket charges $4 a quart. Do you have any idea how much overhead a supermarket has? A private individual charging as much as a supermarket is not someone I would buy from in the name of "supporting the farmer." I would boycott your product and buy from the supermarket because their price at least reflects cost of wholesale plus overhead. And I can purchase it whenever I want, instead of driving out to a farm during specific hours. That's my personal choice as a consumer, just as your price point is your personal choice.Joannewww.joanneunleashed.comOn Jul 12, 2010, at 9:06 AM, RawDairy wrote: I charge $12and was considering going up to $15 since all the larger suppliers chargethat. Myenburg in the supermarket here is charging $4/quart.If the market can bear it then guess what?I have so many customers I have a waiting list. Let me add I’m in the Westpalm Beach area. And EVERYTHING is ridiculously expensive. I pay $20 for a50# bale of alfalfa hay. And that is just one example. Every thing costsmore. There fore I charge more. Don’t judge!

[Guest guest]

You think taking a risk in selling milk should dictate price? Maybe that's why street drugs are so expensive, eh? Not because they're expensive to make. The price of jail time is built into the profit margin.I've always thought that price was dictated by cost of production + profit margin. You figure out how much it costs to produce it and then add a profit margin you feel comfortable with that allows you a good living and provides an affordable product to those who need it. Or you just take advantage of demand by charging as much as you can get away with. There's always some rich fool willing to part with his money for overpriced commodities.But down the road, don't gripe when WalMart moves in and starts selling raw milk undercutting your prices and putting you all out of business. Joannewww.joanneunleashed.comOn Jul 12, 2010, at 9:06 AM, RawDairy wrote:really? it doesn't seem that extreme to me, at least for this area. They are taking a big risk selling milk. I feel lucky to get it at all, and now that I'm milking, I get it for free. I'm surprised that that seems so expensive to you, I've read about lots of people paying that much. What is considered a fair price?

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Hopefully you are charging a deposit on the glass containers. A producer I buy from charge $2 per container, so I pay only once and recycle.How much $ per hour are you expecting on your labor?All businesses have expenses. Initial startups are always operating in the hole for several years because of capital equipment, such as your truck, fencing, cows, and equipment. This can be mitigated by depreciating these assets over time. If you expect to make a profit while starting up, then you don't understand business. And the cost of your startup assets should not dictate the initial price point but a price that will pay for these expenses over time.The expenses like electricity, vet bills, and fuel costs are ongoing expenses that should be built into the price. But then you have the fact that you can write them off as well as your land, which should also be feeding you providing a huge decrease in food consumption costs for you personally.As for the Ag. Dept harassing you, that's a legitimate complaint. The business must bear the cost of these fines, which is how the Ag Dept puts you out of business. This harassment and fines should not occur, which would lower the price of raw milk. Your customers are buying milk, not a lagoon that's not even needed. Joannewww.joanneunleashed.comOn Jul 12, 2010, at 9:06 AM, RawDairy wrote:We bottle in glass and charge $8 a gallon and frankly are losing so much money we may not be doing this for much longer. The labor alone is more than we are bringing in. We are simply trying to provide a much needed product to people who otherwise would be forced to do without and trying to make a decent living. The expenses you don't think about like refrigerated trucks, fuel costs, electricity, vet bills, fencing, equipment costs, not to mention the cost of the cows you need to get started, all add up. And then even though you are operating in full compliance with the law, the Ag Dept. harasses you just foe kicks by telling you you have to add a $50,000 waste water lagoon for waste water you will never have!

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That will never happen.

it will never become a “walmart” commodity. Whole foods doesn’t want to deal with it based on the fears and pulled out of Florida months ago with raw milk sales. The nature of the beast of raw milk will never go large like that. And raw milk in its simplest form will likely always be a fringe market product.

I don’t think you’re listening to our points and have made up your mind. Shame. Maybe you should spend some time at a dairy working. Doing the chores, seeing the books. Milking and living the life. Before you make these comments.

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Reply-To: " RawDairy " <RawDairy >

Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 09:58:06 -0400

To: " RawDairy " <RawDairy >

Subject: Re: Self-intro of Leah - Humboldt County, CA

I've always thought that price was dictated by cost of production + profit margin. You figure out how much it costs to produce it and then add a profit margin you feel comfortable with that allows you a good living and provides an affordable product to those who need it. Or you just take advantage of demand by charging as much as you can get away with. There's always some rich fool willing to part with his money for overpriced commodities.

But down the road, don't gripe when WalMart moves in and starts selling raw milk undercutting your prices and putting you all out of business.

Joanne

www.joanneunleashed.com <http://www.joanneunleashed.com>

[Guest guest]

Sorry, you already hung yourself by saying you are charging what the market will bear and considering raising your price because someone else is getting more than you.Movies and popcorn are not necessities. People can get along just fine without them. But I agree that $25 is unethical, so I seldom go to the theater and I never buy the popcorn. And if $15 for a gallon of raw milk is a pittance to you, then you must be making a LOT of money to afford such extravagances.Joannewww.joanneunleashed.comOn Jul 12, 2010, at 9:06 AM, RawDairy wrote:There are far too many variables that go into decidingcosts, none of which you can know for sure. Until you live it.The more I think about it $15/gallon for raw healthy good for you milk is apittance. What does one pay to go to a movie these days one soda andpopcorn? $25? To me that’s unethical. Its all relative.

[Guest guest]

Price is usually set by supply and demand.

When demand is high and supply low, the price is high.

When the demand is low and the supply is plentiful, the price is low.

Though sometimes, demand is high so the price is high, for example, silly bands,

Prada hand bags, gold...

>

> I've always thought that price was dictated by cost of production + profit

margin. You figure out how much it costs to produce it and then add a profit

margin you feel comfortable with that allows you a good living and provides an

affordable product to those who need it. Or you just take advantage of demand by

charging as much as you can get away with. There's always some rich fool willing

to part with his money for overpriced commodities.

[Guest guest]

Price is usually set by supply and demand.

When demand is high and supply low, the price is high.

When the demand is low and the supply is plentiful, the price is low.

Though sometimes, demand is high so the price is high, for example, silly bands,

Prada hand bags, gold...

>

> I've always thought that price was dictated by cost of production + profit

margin. You figure out how much it costs to produce it and then add a profit

margin you feel comfortable with that allows you a good living and provides an

affordable product to those who need it. Or you just take advantage of demand by

charging as much as you can get away with. There's always some rich fool willing

to part with his money for overpriced commodities.

[Guest guest]

Price is usually set by supply and demand.

When demand is high and supply low, the price is high.

When the demand is low and the supply is plentiful, the price is low.

Though sometimes, demand is high so the price is high, for example, silly bands,

Prada hand bags, gold...

>

> I've always thought that price was dictated by cost of production + profit

margin. You figure out how much it costs to produce it and then add a profit

margin you feel comfortable with that allows you a good living and provides an

affordable product to those who need it. Or you just take advantage of demand by

charging as much as you can get away with. There's always some rich fool willing

to part with his money for overpriced commodities.

[Guest guest]

I really don't understand either point of view. I know that reg. dairies are going out of business here in Wa. at an alarming rate. They can't make enough to stay a float. If I were in a business that lost me 10,000 dollars a month I would get out. But please don't say that no raw dairy is not making ends meet. I feel that I do very well at 8.00 a gallon and I am only milking three cows. That is all I want to milk. We do have a dairy that is milking 85 cows and from what I have read he is doing ok too. I am not organic but then I don't want to be. I am natural and I am soy and corn free and all grass fed which I think is more important. I make a profit on my milk and pay my son to work for me. I take my bonus from being able to do the things I want to do with my horses which comes from my milk income. The farm also provides us with all of our meat and dairy needs and keeps us out of the grocery store. What is that worth? I think it is priceless. The farm also works for us as a tax relief so we don't pay so much in income tax from my husbands income. He is not a farmer and never will be nor does he want to be. I run the farm myself and get help when I need it. It is all paid by the milk income. I think that if I were a commercial dairy man and I wanted to stay in milk I would be going raw if my state allowed or I would move to a state that did. If you can get more for your milk and are happy with it go for it. That is what free enterprise is all about.

Schlicht

Christipaul Farm

Belfair, Wa.

I don't know of any raw or fluid (pasteurized) market that works that way. First of all, in the fluid (pasteurized) market the farmers are making around an average of $1.20 per gallon of milk and it is costing them about $1.50 a gallon to produce the milk. Farmers don't dictate the prices. There is a huge crisis in the dairy industry with all types of farms going out of business. My husband works outside the farm, we take no money for the farm ourselves and we are still losing over 10,000 a month. This is common in the dairy industry.Most raw milk farmers I know are not breaking even either.

[Guest guest]

I really don't understand either point of view. I know that reg. dairies are going out of business here in Wa. at an alarming rate. They can't make enough to stay a float. If I were in a business that lost me 10,000 dollars a month I would get out. But please don't say that no raw dairy is not making ends meet. I feel that I do very well at 8.00 a gallon and I am only milking three cows. That is all I want to milk. We do have a dairy that is milking 85 cows and from what I have read he is doing ok too. I am not organic but then I don't want to be. I am natural and I am soy and corn free and all grass fed which I think is more important. I make a profit on my milk and pay my son to work for me. I take my bonus from being able to do the things I want to do with my horses which comes from my milk income. The farm also provides us with all of our meat and dairy needs and keeps us out of the grocery store. What is that worth? I think it is priceless. The farm also works for us as a tax relief so we don't pay so much in income tax from my husbands income. He is not a farmer and never will be nor does he want to be. I run the farm myself and get help when I need it. It is all paid by the milk income. I think that if I were a commercial dairy man and I wanted to stay in milk I would be going raw if my state allowed or I would move to a state that did. If you can get more for your milk and are happy with it go for it. That is what free enterprise is all about.

Schlicht

Christipaul Farm

Belfair, Wa.

I don't know of any raw or fluid (pasteurized) market that works that way. First of all, in the fluid (pasteurized) market the farmers are making around an average of $1.20 per gallon of milk and it is costing them about $1.50 a gallon to produce the milk. Farmers don't dictate the prices. There is a huge crisis in the dairy industry with all types of farms going out of business. My husband works outside the farm, we take no money for the farm ourselves and we are still losing over 10,000 a month. This is common in the dairy industry.Most raw milk farmers I know are not breaking even either.

[Guest guest]

I did not say no raw dairy is not making ends meet. I said Most raw milk farmers I know are not breaking even either.I am on the other end of the country. I am glad you are doing well.Personally I think we should get out, DH does not agree. I rather be doing what you are doing because I think that would work better with our situation. :)To: RawDairy Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 7:13:48 PMSubject: Re:

Re: Self-intro of Leah - Humboldt County, CA

I really don't understand either point of view. I know that reg. dairies are going out of business here in Wa. at an alarming rate. They can't make enough to stay a float. If I were in a business that lost me 10,000 dollars a month I would get out. But please don't say that no raw dairy is not making ends meet.

[Guest guest]

I did not say no raw dairy is not making ends meet. I said Most raw milk farmers I know are not breaking even either.I am on the other end of the country. I am glad you are doing well.Personally I think we should get out, DH does not agree. I rather be doing what you are doing because I think that would work better with our situation. :)To: RawDairy Sent: Mon, July 12, 2010 7:13:48 PMSubject: Re:

Re: Self-intro of Leah - Humboldt County, CA

I really don't understand either point of view. I know that reg. dairies are going out of business here in Wa. at an alarming rate. They can't make enough to stay a float. If I were in a business that lost me 10,000 dollars a month I would get out. But please don't say that no raw dairy is not making ends meet.

[Guest guest]

I am sorry to see that you might be in a situation that is not working. I do believe that it is more than farming that you have to do to make it work. I am out in the community all the time and I have to sell my product just like anyone else. There is a lot of negative information to over come. I do live in a state that allows raw milk and has for some time. It is growing fast here. A commercial dairy that I used to get calves from has sold out and will not be coming back. I have personally helped start two new raw dairies in my area. I came to Wa. from Florida a very no raw state. You have to go where you can do what you want to do and make it work or change jobs.

I did not say no raw dairy is not making ends meet. I said Most raw milk farmers I know are not breaking even either.I am on the other end of the country. I am glad you are doing well.Personally I think we should get out, DH does not agree. I rather be doing what you are doing because I think that would work better with our situation.

[Guest guest]

I am sorry to see that you might be in a situation that is not working. I do believe that it is more than farming that you have to do to make it work. I am out in the community all the time and I have to sell my product just like anyone else. There is a lot of negative information to over come. I do live in a state that allows raw milk and has for some time. It is growing fast here. A commercial dairy that I used to get calves from has sold out and will not be coming back. I have personally helped start two new raw dairies in my area. I came to Wa. from Florida a very no raw state. You have to go where you can do what you want to do and make it work or change jobs.

I did not say no raw dairy is not making ends meet. I said Most raw milk farmers I know are not breaking even either.I am on the other end of the country. I am glad you are doing well.Personally I think we should get out, DH does not agree. I rather be doing what you are doing because I think that would work better with our situation.

[Guest guest]

I understand that many are threatened and angered by my comments. Their

emotional response has led them to misinterpret what I'm saying. I'm going to

try and clarify my points.

For example, someone wrote me a private email saying I insulted her integrity by

comparing her to a drug dealer. I did not compare dairy farmers to drug dealers.

I said basing your price on the chance you might have to pay for legal fees as a

result of your activities was comparable to drug dealers. It makes no sense to

me to charge a high price so you can pay for an attorney. I also can't help but

notice that many of these farmers under legal action have donation buttons on

their websites for legal representation. (And yes, I have used these donation

buttons to help these people, because they are fighting for me as well as

themselves.)

Someone wrote that I expected dairy farmers to work for less than minimum wage.

I never said that. I asked what someone would want as an hourly rate for their

labor.

Someone else wrote that I have no right to an opinion because I haven't run a

dairy myself (been in her shoes). This is nonsense. I am a business woman and a

raw milk consumer, so I do have a right to my opinion and where my dollars are

spent. You may disagree, but making me the enemy doesn't get us anywhere.

understand this and has been the only one willing to have an open dialogue with

me.

Someone suggested I not buy raw milk and should shop in box stores. This doesn't

even begin to address any of my points but is pure emotional backlash. This same

person wrote that I thought raw milk should be cheap. I never said that. I said

I thought $16 per gallon was exploitive. This person thinks I should just drink

dead milk. Attacking me instead of my arguments also doesn't get up anywhere.

I think someone else thought I wrote that milking animals was exploitive. Just

to clarify, I did not write that.

To clarify my comments about buying from a store instead of a farmer: If I buy

directly from the farmer for, say, $12 a gallon, I may have to make an

appointment or arrive during set hours, drive a long distance, what have you, to

accommodate the transaction. If I buy from a store, I go when the store is open.

It's also probably closer to my home. If the store and farmer charge the same

price and I buy from the farmer, then there's inconvenience to me and only the

farmer gets the money. If I buy from a store, I shop when I want, and I support

not only the farmer selling wholesale, but I also support the store that carries

the product, which includes supporting the owner, shareholders, employees,

building owner, insurance companies, utility companies, etc. My dollar goes much

farther and the farmer still gets the price they set. And I keep a store in

business that provides me with much more than raw milk. Store owners are people

too.

I will continue my comments in another post.

Joanne

www.joanneunleashed.com

[Guest guest]

I understand that many are threatened and angered by my comments. Their

emotional response has led them to misinterpret what I'm saying. I'm going to

try and clarify my points.

For example, someone wrote me a private email saying I insulted her integrity by

comparing her to a drug dealer. I did not compare dairy farmers to drug dealers.

I said basing your price on the chance you might have to pay for legal fees as a

result of your activities was comparable to drug dealers. It makes no sense to

me to charge a high price so you can pay for an attorney. I also can't help but

notice that many of these farmers under legal action have donation buttons on

their websites for legal representation. (And yes, I have used these donation

buttons to help these people, because they are fighting for me as well as

themselves.)

Someone wrote that I expected dairy farmers to work for less than minimum wage.

I never said that. I asked what someone would want as an hourly rate for their

labor.

Someone else wrote that I have no right to an opinion because I haven't run a

dairy myself (been in her shoes). This is nonsense. I am a business woman and a

raw milk consumer, so I do have a right to my opinion and where my dollars are

spent. You may disagree, but making me the enemy doesn't get us anywhere.

understand this and has been the only one willing to have an open dialogue with

me.

Someone suggested I not buy raw milk and should shop in box stores. This doesn't

even begin to address any of my points but is pure emotional backlash. This same

person wrote that I thought raw milk should be cheap. I never said that. I said

I thought $16 per gallon was exploitive. This person thinks I should just drink

dead milk. Attacking me instead of my arguments also doesn't get up anywhere.

I think someone else thought I wrote that milking animals was exploitive. Just

to clarify, I did not write that.

To clarify my comments about buying from a store instead of a farmer: If I buy

directly from the farmer for, say, $12 a gallon, I may have to make an

appointment or arrive during set hours, drive a long distance, what have you, to

accommodate the transaction. If I buy from a store, I go when the store is open.

It's also probably closer to my home. If the store and farmer charge the same

price and I buy from the farmer, then there's inconvenience to me and only the

farmer gets the money. If I buy from a store, I shop when I want, and I support

not only the farmer selling wholesale, but I also support the store that carries

the product, which includes supporting the owner, shareholders, employees,

building owner, insurance companies, utility companies, etc. My dollar goes much

farther and the farmer still gets the price they set. And I keep a store in

business that provides me with much more than raw milk. Store owners are people

too.

I will continue my comments in another post.

Joanne

www.joanneunleashed.com

[Guest guest]

I understand that many are threatened and angered by my comments. Their

emotional response has led them to misinterpret what I'm saying. I'm going to

try and clarify my points.

For example, someone wrote me a private email saying I insulted her integrity by

comparing her to a drug dealer. I did not compare dairy farmers to drug dealers.

I said basing your price on the chance you might have to pay for legal fees as a

result of your activities was comparable to drug dealers. It makes no sense to

me to charge a high price so you can pay for an attorney. I also can't help but

notice that many of these farmers under legal action have donation buttons on

their websites for legal representation. (And yes, I have used these donation

buttons to help these people, because they are fighting for me as well as

themselves.)

Someone wrote that I expected dairy farmers to work for less than minimum wage.

I never said that. I asked what someone would want as an hourly rate for their

labor.

Someone else wrote that I have no right to an opinion because I haven't run a

dairy myself (been in her shoes). This is nonsense. I am a business woman and a

raw milk consumer, so I do have a right to my opinion and where my dollars are

spent. You may disagree, but making me the enemy doesn't get us anywhere.

understand this and has been the only one willing to have an open dialogue with

me.

Someone suggested I not buy raw milk and should shop in box stores. This doesn't

even begin to address any of my points but is pure emotional backlash. This same

person wrote that I thought raw milk should be cheap. I never said that. I said

I thought $16 per gallon was exploitive. This person thinks I should just drink

dead milk. Attacking me instead of my arguments also doesn't get up anywhere.

I think someone else thought I wrote that milking animals was exploitive. Just

to clarify, I did not write that.

To clarify my comments about buying from a store instead of a farmer: If I buy

directly from the farmer for, say, $12 a gallon, I may have to make an

appointment or arrive during set hours, drive a long distance, what have you, to

accommodate the transaction. If I buy from a store, I go when the store is open.

It's also probably closer to my home. If the store and farmer charge the same

price and I buy from the farmer, then there's inconvenience to me and only the

farmer gets the money. If I buy from a store, I shop when I want, and I support

not only the farmer selling wholesale, but I also support the store that carries

the product, which includes supporting the owner, shareholders, employees,

building owner, insurance companies, utility companies, etc. My dollar goes much

farther and the farmer still gets the price they set. And I keep a store in

business that provides me with much more than raw milk. Store owners are people

too.

I will continue my comments in another post.

Joanne

www.joanneunleashed.com

[Guest guest]

My comment was not made in regard to dairy. I understand that the dairy industry

is a huge conglomerate who tells the dairy farmer what they'll be paid for milk

- an amount that has not changed in decades. (sad)

However, for most commodies, price is dictated by supply and demand. Hence China

has become so popular for manufacturing because they're feeding the supply with

low prices.

I believe in supporting the small farmer and I'm doing my part.

JP.

>

> >

> > I've always thought that price was dictated by cost of production + profit

margin. You figure out how much it costs to produce it and then add a profit

margin you feel comfortable with that allows you a good living and provides an

affordable product to those who need it. Or you just take advantage of demand by

charging as much as you can get away with. There's always some rich fool willing

to part with his money for overpriced commodities.

>

[Guest guest]

My comment was not made in regard to dairy. I understand that the dairy industry

is a huge conglomerate who tells the dairy farmer what they'll be paid for milk

- an amount that has not changed in decades. (sad)

However, for most commodies, price is dictated by supply and demand. Hence China

has become so popular for manufacturing because they're feeding the supply with

low prices.

I believe in supporting the small farmer and I'm doing my part.

JP.

>

> >

> > I've always thought that price was dictated by cost of production + profit

margin. You figure out how much it costs to produce it and then add a profit

margin you feel comfortable with that allows you a good living and provides an

affordable product to those who need it. Or you just take advantage of demand by

charging as much as you can get away with. There's always some rich fool willing

to part with his money for overpriced commodities.

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[Guest guest]

My comment was not made in regard to dairy. I understand that the dairy industry

is a huge conglomerate who tells the dairy farmer what they'll be paid for milk

- an amount that has not changed in decades. (sad)

However, for most commodies, price is dictated by supply and demand. Hence China

has become so popular for manufacturing because they're feeding the supply with

low prices.

I believe in supporting the small farmer and I'm doing my part.

JP.

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> > I've always thought that price was dictated by cost of production + profit

margin. You figure out how much it costs to produce it and then add a profit

margin you feel comfortable with that allows you a good living and provides an

affordable product to those who need it. Or you just take advantage of demand by

charging as much as you can get away with. There's always some rich fool willing

to part with his money for overpriced commodities.

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[Guest guest]

Once again, I have received a nasty email from the same member wondering why

anyone should take the advice of someone whose business had failed, and that I

failed because I didn't know when to quit.

First off, I didn't fail. My business became insolvent (yeah, like I was the

only one affected by the economic downturn). Secondly, it wasn't because of the

factors that I mentioned. It was because my OVERHEAD was TOO HIGH.

And for those of you who think tearing me down either in this group or in

private emails is appropriate, GROW UP. Try using debating skills instead of

insults worthy of a nine-year-old.

Joanne

www.joanneunleashed.com

[Guest guest]

So which one of us is being nasty?This is what I wrote:So what you are saying is that we should listen to your advice on how and where we should run our farms. This advice is given by someone who lost their business, their home, their RV and their car. I am truly sorry that this happened to you and will take your advice as coming from someone who is trying to prevent others from suffering the same fate. It would seem the only mistake you made was in not knowing when to quit. JanThis is what Joanne wrote:Why are you so nasty to me? My "mistake," as you label it, was having too high an overhead. If I hadn't bought such an expensive property, I would still be in business. But metaphysically, this was no mistake, because I had come to hate the business and wanted out but was trapped by my possessions.You haven't tried to provide any solution but instead have concentrate your efforts on tearing me down. So, to put it bluntly, fuck off. Joanne Jan Haybert Evergreen Farmhaybert@...utterlyfresh.com

[Guest guest]

So which one of us is being nasty?This is what I wrote:So what you are saying is that we should listen to your advice on how and where we should run our farms. This advice is given by someone who lost their business, their home, their RV and their car. I am truly sorry that this happened to you and will take your advice as coming from someone who is trying to prevent others from suffering the same fate. It would seem the only mistake you made was in not knowing when to quit. JanThis is what Joanne wrote:Why are you so nasty to me? My "mistake," as you label it, was having too high an overhead. If I hadn't bought such an expensive property, I would still be in business. But metaphysically, this was no mistake, because I had come to hate the business and wanted out but was trapped by my possessions.You haven't tried to provide any solution but instead have concentrate your efforts on tearing me down. So, to put it bluntly, fuck off. Joanne Jan Haybert Evergreen Farmhaybert@...utterlyfresh.com